Wednesday, 29 July 2015

Re: [wanabidii] Lowassa apigwa shinikizo kali

Woga ni adui mkubwa wa mabadiliko.
Ananilea Nkya
 E-mail:ananilea_nkya@yahoo.com

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On Wed, 7/29/15, 'ELISA MUHINGO' via Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lowassa apigwa shinikizo kali
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2015, 12:10 PM

John nakubaliana nawewe katika mengi
kasoro machache tu.
Kujiengua kwa Lowasa kutoka CCM kuna faida kubwa kwa
watanzania: Kupungua kwa ukubwa wa CCM na watu makini
watapendeelea chama chenye nguvu za uelewa wa matatizo ya
wananchi kuliko kutegemea wingi wa wanachama-Natamani
nieleze zaidi lakini muda.
Tunatofautiana nawe katika moja-Lowasa ataidhoofisha Chadema
wakati watanzania tulikitegemea kuwa chama mbadala kuitawala
nchi. hapa tutakesha lakini tukisubiri mmuda mfupi tutaona
matokeo. Chadema inaweza kuporomoka isivyotarajiwa. Huenda
hata katika uchaguzi isivume kama NCCR ya 1995.
Tatizo la tume huru huenda likatumiwa kwa manufaa ya ustawi
wa taifa kwa kumminya lowasa na wengine tutakaa kimya.
Nilikuwa Marekani wakati Bush akipambana na Al Gole.
wamarekani kwa 90% walikubali kuwa Gole kashinda na kwa 80%
wakasema mwachie Bush atawale. ndivyo inavyoweza kuwa kuwa
hata akishinda Lowasa tume imtangaze magufuli. Nasema
ninachokiamini. Lowasa anaweza kuwa mtu mzuri akaendesha
nchi kwa ufanisi mkiubwa. lakini haistahili apewe nafasi kwa
kura au kwa tangazo la matokeo ya kura- Kama ndilo
alilomaanisha Nape sijui. Lakini katika yote itapoteza
Chadema maana Lowasa ameishapoteza-John!
Elisa
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On Wed, 7/29/15, 'john msinde' via Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lowassa apigwa shinikizo kali
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com"
<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2015, 1:21 PM

Elisa, unachokisema
ni mabadiliko siyaoni kwa kweli. Ni watu wachache sana
watakaokubaliana na wewe. Anachofanya Kinana ni kutoa
hotuba kwenye majukwaa na kutoa kauli ambazo hazifanyiwi
kazi. Lakini katika yote tusiite  kuwasafisha mawaziri
wenye kashfa ni mabadiliko ya mfumo. Hiki kilichotokea kwa
Lowasa kuhamia UKAWA mimi nakitazama kama ni kukomaa kwa
siasa za ushindani wa vyama. Lakini pia hata kama viongozi
vya UKAWA huko nyuma walimsema majukwaani kuwa yeye ni
fisadi,hilo lilitegemewa. sidhani kama mwanasiasa yeyote
wa
upinzani atasimama na kusema watu wa chama kingine ni
safi,
na hivyohivyo kwa chama tawala. Ila ni swala la wakati-
kwa
wakati huu yeye ndie mtu anayefaa kujaribu kuunagusha
mfumo
wa kifisadi, anaweza kufanya hivyo akiwa UKAWA,  ila
angekua ccm asingeweza kufanya hayo.lazima
tujifunze kubadilika na kuangalia maswala haya kwa upana
zaidi. Maendeleo yetu yatapatikana tu tukiwa na ushindani
wa
vyama, (kukua kwa demokrasia) ila kwa chama kimoja kukaa
madarakani mda wote tusitegemee kupata mabadiliko ya
maisha
yetu.Kuhusu
yatakayotokea Tar 26, siongei mengi ila hakuna
kinachoweza
kutabirika kwa mazingira ambayo hakuna tume huru ya
uchaguzi. Unachagua mtu ambaye unamwambia asimamie
uchaguzi
ambao wewe ni mshiriki! (hii mada nyingine)John 



     On Tuesday, July 28,
2015 9:57 PM, 'ELISA MUHINGO' via Wanabidii
<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
wrote:

   

  John. Kujiengua kwa
Lowasa kuna faida nyingi. kati ya faida hizo licha ya
mvuto
unaousema hakutaisaidia UKAWA kulishika dola hili. badala
yake chances za kushika dola zimepotea kuliko ingetumia
wanachama wake kwa ngazi ya urais.
Kwa
habari za CCM kuanza kujirekebisha kuko wazi. naamini toka
Kinana kuingiz kazini tumeshuhudia mabadiliko fulani. Yapo
mengi ambayo yanahitaji kufanyika kufumua mfumo huu lakini
utakumbuka kuwa Kikwete alilazimika kupewa nafasi ya
kugombea urais just because he was 'popular'. Kiasi
cha kutompitisha Lowasa licha ua popularity yake ni ishara
ya mabadiliko.
Mabadiliko tuliyo yatarajia
kuletwa na ukawa yalitegemewa kuwa makubwa zaidi. Sasa
hamna
aisee. Nina deadlines lakini naufurahia mjadala huu
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On Tue, 7/28/15, 'john msinde' via
Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
wrote:

  Subject: Re:
[wanabidii] Lowassa apigwa shinikizo kali

To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com"
<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
  Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 2:37 PM
 
  Muhingo

unasema...'Kama
  ni mfumo CCM imeonekana
kuufumua ndiyo maana ikamtema

Lowasa....' sidhani kama hii ni sahihi. Yaani kwa
  kumtema Lowassa ndio imefumua mfumo. Sijui
lini wameanza
  kuufumua huo mfumo wa ufisadi
-past
  habits die hard. Kweli tunapoongolea
siasa tunaongelea
  uendeshaji wa nchi, sio
kamari, lakini ni muhimu kuwa na
  madiliko
makubwa ya kimfumo katika huo uendeshaji. Maana ni
  miaka zaidi ya hamsini tumekua na mfumo ambao
umezidi
  kutuletea umaskini. Kwa hiyo ni
wakati sasa wa
  kubadilisha. Tuko
kwenye vita kwa hiyo si busara kuchagua

silaha kupigana na adui yako. Mimi mtazamo wangu uko
zaidi
  katika kuleta mabadiliko ya
uendeshaji wa nchi. Lakini
  kumbuka Lowasa
alipokatwa hakuna mtu CCM aliyethubutu kusema
  sababu ya kukatwa kwake, lakini pia sikatai
anazo kashfa za
  ufisadi kama walivyo
wanasiasa wengine. Ni 'kashfa'.

Kama lowasa atahamia UKAWA na hao wengine uliowataja na
  kama watapokelewa na UKAWA hatujalijua
bado. Ila kwa sasa
  tumjadili Lowasa kama
ni mtu sahihi kwa UKAWA au la. Lakini

lowasa pamoja na kashfa zake bado ni mwanasiasa mwenye
mvuto
  kwa sasa (ana wafuasi wengi
wanaoangalia mazuri yake), na
  ndio maana
UKAWA wamevutiwa nae wakijua mapungufu yake.
  lakini pia tusisahau utendaji wake na uthubutu
wake katika
  kutenda, sitaki kueleza hapa
mfano wa mazuri aliyoyatenda
  wengi
wanayafahamu. Tuzidi
  kutafakari! John
 
 
 
 
     On Tuesday, July
28,
  2015 12:49 PM, 'ELISA MUHINGO'
via Wanabidii
  <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
wrote:
 
   
 
  John.

Unamuongelea Lowasa yupi aliyeutumikia mfumo
  mbovu upi wa CCM?

Ninayemuongelea mimi ni
  Lowasa aliyekuwa
akikusanya pesa za watu akizitoa makanisani

na misikitini. mfumo sawa ulimruhusu. namuongelea Lowasa
  ambaye katika kukusanya kura za maoni
ameonekana kutoa pesa
  kupindukia.
namuongelea Lowasa ambaye wapambe wake ambao
  lazima ataongozana nao UKAWA  ni Chenge,
Lostam, Karamagi
  na wengine. naongelea
Lowasa ambaye kila aliyeona
  anavyotumia
pesa alizosema anapewa na marafikizake

alijiuliza atawalipaje watu hao ambao hawataendelea
  kufuatilia malipo yao CCM bali watamfuata
atakakokuwa. UKAWA
  inajiandaaje kumsaidia
Lowasa kuwatuliza watu hao?
  naongelea hayo
na mengine yanayofanana nayo na
  ndugu John
tunapoongelea siasa hatuzungumzii kamali au

mchezo wa mpira. Tunaongelea uendeshaji wa nchi kwa
manufaa
  ya watu wote.

Kumbuka watanzania walipokuwa
  wanajenga
imani yao juu ya vyama vya upinzani na UKAWA sasa
  hawakuwa wanajenga imani yao juu ya bendera za
vyama au
  magwanda wanayovaa. Ni ahadi
zilizokuwa zinaonyesha
  kutambuliwa kwa
matatizo yao. naongelea hayo yaliyosemwa na

UKAWA.
  Kama ni mfumo CCM imeonekana
kuufumua
  ndiyo maana ikamtema Lowasa.
Watanzania wanataka mabadiliko.
  Wakiyakosa
ndani ya CCM watayapata nje. S\asa CCM

imefanya kazi kubwa. Imefumua mfumo kwa kuanza kuwatema
  akina Lowasa.
  Nawaza kuwa
huenda
  wakayafurahia mabadiliko kwa
sababu  hawana chuki na CCM
  ila mfumo.
Mfumo ilioanza kuufumua.
  Nisaidie
  John kunielewesha zaidi.
 

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  On Tue, 7/28/15, 'john msinde' via
  Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
  wrote:
 
 
Subject: Re:
  [wanabidii] Lowassa apigwa
shinikizo kali
 
  To:
"wanabidii@googlegroups.com"
  <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
  Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 12:10 PM
 
  najaribu
 
  kuchangia hoja ya comments
za Muhingo na Mollel, kwa
  mtazamo
  wangu hili halina shida kwenye
  siasa. lazima tukubali kwenda
  na
  mabadiliko. upepo wa
siasa ndiko huko unakoelekea, lakini
  pia
tujifunze na siasa za nchi nyingine.
  wakati
Kibaki
  alipohama KANU Alisingiziwa
  ni fisadi lakini akashinda
 
uraisi, na
  tunaona siasa za kenya
zilivyobadilika baada ya
  changamoto za
upinzani. maendeleo pia
 
yamepatikana. Ugomvi wa ufisadi nchini sio wa
  mtu, ni
  tatizo la kimfumo.
watu wengi
  hamtaki kelewa hili. Kwa hiyo
  tatizo sio
  Lowasa tatizo ni
mfumo wa chama alichokuwapo
  kabla ya
kuingia UKAWA. kama alikua ni fisadi
  kwa
nini hadi
  leo hakuna hatua zozote
  zilizochukuliwa dhidi yake? sasa
  basi kama
  lowasa anahamia
UKAWA ataendana na mfumo na sera
  za UKAWA
ambazo zinagiga vita ufisadi wa
  kimfumo sio
wa mtu
  mojamoja ili kuleta
  ustawi kwa watanzania. lengo ni
  kuleta
  mabadiliko ya siasa
nchini kwa hiyo kama lengo la
  UKAWA ni
kushika dola njia iliyotumika ni
  sahihi.
The ends
  justify the means. Ndugu
  Muhingo inabidi upanue fikra
  kuendena na
  hali halisi ya
siasa na kuelewa hasa maana ya
 
mageuzi.wasalaamJohn
 

  
 
 
        On Tuesday, July 28,


  2015 9:55 AM, fadhil fadhil
  <fadhil.fadhil96@gmail.com>
  wrote:
      
 
    Muhingo nakubaliana na
wewe
 
  hata siku moja haki
haichanganyani batili ukawa
  tuliipenda
  lakini mafisadi wameipenda

zaidi
  On Jul 28, 2015 10:00 AM,
  "'ELISA MUHINGO' via
  Wanabidii" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
  wrote:
  anzania
  ina
  mascientist wa ajabu.
aweza kujaribu kumhamisha Sangara
  kutoka
ziwa kubwa kama Victoria na kumuweka
  katika
bwawa la
  kuchimbwa na kutarajia humo
  aishi na kuzaa sana. Kuna
 
wanaojua kuwa
  Sangara akishaona jua basi.
haishi zaidi ya
 
  masaa.
Sasa tusubiri tuone wanasayansi hawa. Waliambiwa
  Lowasa hawezi kuteuliwa na CCM
kupeperusha
  bendera yake
 
kuwania urais. Wakabisha mpaka
  wengine
kuapa kuwa
  asipoteuliwa wafe.
  Wengine wakasema wanaoona kichefuchefu
  wale
  limau. Ikatokea. Sasa
wanadhani CCM iliyomkataa
  itamruhusu
auchukue urahisi kupitia mabwawa ya

kuchimbwa.
  Nani kasema. Toka lini moja
kwon
  geza moja ikazaa sita?
  Hesabu nyingine
  mbona
rahisi. Jamani Watanzania wamechoka
 
  kubahatisha. Wamebahatisha ndani ya CCM
wakafika mahala
  wakaamua hawatabahatisha
tena. Tumaini
  lilikuwa UKAWA. CCM
  ikaona hilo. Najua kuwa

kama watanazania wakitaka
  kubahatisha
tena
  watabahatisha ndani ya CCM
inayoonekanas
 
  kujua
watanzania wamechoka nini. Watanzania hawajaichoka
 
   CCM. Wamezichoka sera
zao
  za kuwavumilia mafisadi.
  Haiwezekani
  mafisadi
wakakaribishwa UKAWA ikatarajia kuwa
 
watanzania watasema sisi na ukawa. hapana.

Wakati CCM
  inajipinda kuwatimua
mafisadi
  UKAWA inadhani itaendelea kuwa
  UKAWA na
  mafisadi hao. Kifo
cha UKAWA hakiwezi kuleta
  kishindo kama
cha CCM. Hapana. Madereva
  tunajua.
Ukikanyaga
  kuku wala gari
  haliyumbi. UKAWA inakufa
 

 

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  On Sun, 7/26/15,
'mpombe
  mtalika' via Wanabidii
  <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
  wrote:
 
 

 
 
 
 Subject: [wanabidii] Lowassa apigwa

shinikizo kali
 
 
 To:
  "ELISA MUHINGO' via
Wanabidii"
  <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
 
   Date: Sunday, July
26,
  2015, 7:11 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Kwa
 
 
 ufupi
 
 
 
 

 Washirika wake wataka
 


   maamuzi sasa, Mkewe, Rostam Aziz
wadaiwa
 
 
   kumzuia.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Shinikizo
 
 
    dhidi ya Waziri Mkuu wa
zamani, Edward Lowassa, la
  kumtaka
 
 

 akihame
 
   Chama
Cha
  Mapinduzi (CCM) linazidi kuongezeka
na
 
  katika timu
 
   yake ya
 
   ndani ni watu wawili
tu
  wanaonekana kumtaka abakie
  ndani ya
 
   chama hicho.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Habari
 


    za ndani ya vikao vya kujadili hatua
za
  kuchukuliwa
  na
 
   Lowassa baada ya
 
    jina lake kukatwa
kwenye mchakato wa
  kugombea urais
  kupitia
 
   CCM,
 


   zinasema kuwa wandani wake wanaamini
kuwa hana
  atakachopata
 

   kama
 
 
   ataendelea kubaki kwenye
chama hicho
 
 
 tawala.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   "Kaka
 
    sikiliza,
  inavyoelekea shinikizo dhidi ya Lowassa ni
 
  kubwa
 
   sana. Watu
 
   wake wa ndani wanataka

aondoke CCM. Wanaona kama
 
 
   amedhalilishwa
mno,"
 
   kilisema
chanzo chetu ndani ya vikao
 
   hivyo.
 


 
 
 

 
 
 

   Chanzo
 
   
  hicho kilichoomba
kutokutajwa jina kwa sasa, kilisema
 
kuwa
 
   watu
  wake wa
 
 
  ndani
  wanaamini Lowassa akiendelea
kubaki CCM
 
  atakuwa
 
   amewavunja
  moyo
 
 
 wale wote
  waliompigania, hasa vijana
waliojaa
 
  matumaini ya
 
   kumuona
 
   akiongoza taifa
hili.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Wandani
 
 
    wa Lowassa wanaamini kuwa kama akiamua
  kujiunga na
  chama
 
   chenye nguvu
 
   cha upinzani anaweza
kutimiza ndoto yake
  ya
 
kuwatumikia
 
 
 Watanzania kama
 
 
 rais wa awamu ya tano.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Chanzo
 
   
  chetu kinasema kuwa
Lowassa mwenyewe amekwisha
  kuamua
 
 

 kufanya uamuzi
 
 
 mgumu,
  ila kuna msuguano juu ya namna ya
kuondoka
 
 
   CCM.
 


 
 
 

 
 
 

 
   Taarifa
 
    zaidi
  zinasema kuwa watu wawili katika timu ya
ndani
  ya
 
 
   Lowassa ndio
 
 

 wanaelekea kuwa na mawazo tofauti. Hawa ni Rostam
  Aziz,
 


   mwanasiasa na
 
 
   mfanyabiashara mashuhuri
nchini na mtu mwingine
 
   anayetofautiana na
 
   mkakati huu mpya wa

kung'oka CCM ni mkewe, Mama
  Regina
 
   Lowassa.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Chanzo
 
   
  chetu kinasema kuwa wawili hao wanaamini
mapigo
  ambayo
 
 
   Lowassa
 

   amekumbana
  nayo ni
mengi na yanatosha, kwa maana
 
  hiyo
 
 
 ingefaa tu
 
 
 apumzike.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   "Sijui
 
    ni kwa nini RA (Rostam Aziz) anakuwa
  skeptical
  (shaka). Si
 
   unakumbuka
 
   ndiye aliyesema
amechoshwa na siasa
  uchwara... sasa
  sijui
 
 
 kwa nini
 
 
   anapunguza makali," chanzo
 
   kilisema.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hata
 
    hivyo,
vyanzo vyetu
  vinaongeza kuwa pamoja na
  upinzani huo
 
   Lowassa
 


   anadaiwa kuwa amekwisha kuamua na
  kinachosubiriwa sasa
  ni
 
 
   muda
tu wa
 
   kutamka
anakokwenda.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Wakati
 
   
  hali ikiwa hivyo ndani ya kambi ya Lowassa,
kuna
  taarifa za
 
 
   kuaminika
 
   kuwa

kumekuwa na mashauriano baina ya watu wake na
  viongozi
 
 
   waandamizi
 
   wa kambi
  ya upinzani juu ya mwelekeo wake wa
 
   kisiasa.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Mwandani
 
    mwingine
  katika kambi ya
Lowassa alisema kimsingi
 

yeye
 
   (Lowassa)
 
   amekwisha kuamua,
  anachofanya ni kuona kwamba watu
  wake wa
 
   karibu
 


   hawadhuriki na uamuzi wake huo.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Chanzo
 
 
    hicho
kiliiambia NIPASHE kuwa wenye
  msimamo
mkali
  katika
 
   kambi ya
 
 
   Lowassa wanaamini utabiri
wa Baba wa Taifa Mwalimu
  Nyerere
 
 
   kuwa
upinzani
 
   
  utatoka ndani ya CCM utatimia mwaka
 
   huu.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 "Mnakumbuka ya Mrema
 
   (Augustino) alipoondoka CCM siasa za
  Tanzania
  zilibadilika
 
   mpaka leo? Sasa safari
hii ni
  zaidi,"
 
 
   alisema.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Takriban
  wiki mbili sasa,
 
 
   Lowassa amekuwa na jambo
kubwa moyoni analitaka
  kuwaambia
 
 

 Watanzania.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Mara
 
    ya kwanza
alikuwa afanye
  mkutano na waandishi wa
  habari
 
   Julai 13 mwaka
 
   huu mjini Dodoma majira ya
  asubuhi, lakini mkutano
 
huo
 
   ukahamishiwa
Dar
 
   es Salaam
ambako pia
  ukaahirishwa kwa muda
 
 

 usiojulikana.
 
 
 
   Tangu wakati huo
  kumekuwa
 
   na tetesi kuwa
  alikuwa
atangaze kujiondoa
 
 
 CCM.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Lowassa
 
    ni miongoni
  mwa makada
38 waliojitosa kuwania
 

kuteuliwa
 
   kuwa
  wagombea
 
   wa nafasi ya
  urais wa CCM
katika uchaguzi mkuu
 

utakaofanyika
 
 
 Oktoba
  25,
 
   mwaka huu. Hata
  hivyo,
jina lake halikuwamo katika
  orodha
  ya
 
 
 makada
 
   watano
waliopitishwa
  kwenye vikao vya juu vya
chama
  hicho
 
   ambavyo
 


   mwishowe vilimteua John Pombe
Magufuli
  kuwa mgombea
 
urais
 
 
 atakayekabiliana na wagombea wa upinzani

katika
  uchaguzi
 
   mkuu huo.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 CHANZO:
 
 
 NIPASHE
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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