Wednesday, 25 July 2012

RE: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU

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--- On Fri, 20/7/12, Ekunyaranyara <ekunyaranyara@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ekunyaranyara <ekunyaranyara@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 20 July, 2012, 19:02

Matinyi,
Hii shule si ya kawaida. Naamini Paul atakuwa amekupata ilivyo na mjukuu wako Rugambwa pia.
Usiku mwema. La....


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Subject: RE: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
To: Wanabidii googlegroups <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
CC:


Paulo,

SARUFI YA "KISWAHILI HICHO"

Kwanza nianze na usahihi wa kusema "Kiswahili hicho" ambao wewe unadhani kwamba si sahihi. Jibu ni hivi, mimi kama Waswahili halisi wanaokijua Kiswahili ambao wengi wao kama si wote huishi ama kutokea ama kujifunza Kiswahili Tanzania au kwa Mtanzania, huliheshimu neno "KISWAHILI" kama nomino halisi iliyomo kwenye kundi liitwalo Ki/Vi. Kundi hili lina vitu ambavyo huanza na ki-/ch- kwenye umoja wake isipokuwa vichache kama chupa, chupi, n.k. Hali kadhalika, kundi hili hubeba vitu hivi katika uwingi wake isipokuwa hivyo visivyoingia kundini. Kundi hili hutumia aina za maneno kama ifuatavyo, kwa uchache tu:

Kiambishi Awali: kijiji hiki kina wakulima wajanja.

Umilikaji: kiatu changu, kisu changu, chombo changu, n.k.

Kiunganishi: kitabu cha mwalimu, kisiwa cha Pemba, chama cha siasa, n.k.

Kionyeshi cha Karibu: kisahani hiki, kiwanja hiki, n.k.

Kionyeshi cha Mbali: kisahani kile, kiwanja kile, n.k.

Kionyeshi cha Marejeo: kisahani hicho, kiwanja hicho, n.k.

MUHIMU: Nimetumia maneno rahisi kama "kionyeshi" ili kuepuka kuwagonga watu kwa maneno ya kutisha bila faida.

Kiswahili kinaingia katika kundi hili la Ki/Vi kutokana na sababu kubwa iitwayo MUUNDO UNAOFUATA SAUTI. Ni mzaha mkubwa kukilazimisha Kiswahili kiwe kwenye kundi la neno LUGHA na uthibitisho kwamba ama mtu hajui anachobishia au ni ugonjwa wa ujuaji ambao nimewahi kuuona kwa mtu mmoja aliyejiita profesa wa Kiswahili kutoka Kenya wakati hajui hata kusema "translated by" na anaishia kuandika kitabuni: "imekufasiriwa na". Lugha ya watu huwezi kuifanyia ujuaji bali waulize wenyewe. Profesa mwingine wa Kiswahili aliwafundisha wazungu hapa Marekani eti wawe wanasema: "wikiendi bora" kila wanapoagana Ijumaa jioni. Naomba mtu aniambie huu msemo unatumika wapi katika dunia ya Waswahili? Ndiyo haya haya mambo ya kusema "Kiswahili yangu."

Niulize: Mkate, kisamvu, chungwa, nyama na uji – vyote hivi ni vyakula. Je, tunaweza kutumia: mkate changu, kisamvu changu, chungwa changu, nyama changu na uji changu kwa kuwa vyote ni chakula/vyakula? Hapana isipokuwa kwa kisamvu tu kwa kuwa kimo kundi moja na chakula kwa mujibu wa kanuni ya muundo wa kisauti. Sasa kama hapa hatuwezi, iweje iwezekane kwenye neno "kiswahili" kwamba libebwe na kuwekwa kwenye kundi la "lugha" ambalo lina uhalali wa kusema "lugha yangu"?

Kwa hiyo, nitasema hivi: Kiswahili kinakua kwa kasi sana. Kiswahili changu ni cha Tanzania. Kiswahili hiki si kama kile cha Kenya. Aidha, hakifanani na hicho cha Kongo.

Usemaji huu kamwe hautakuwa: Kiswahili inakua kwa kasi sana. Kiswahili yangu ni ya Tanzania. Kiswahili hii si kama ile ya Kenya. Aidha, haifanani na hiyo cha Kongo.

Ila unaweza kusema hivi: Lugha ya Kiswahili inakua kwa kasi sana. Lugha yangu ya Kiswahili ni ya Tanzania. Lugha hii ya Kiswahili ya Tanzania si kama ile ya Kenya. Aidha, haifanani na hiyo ya Kongo.

Paulo,

Hiki ndicho Kiswahili chetu Watanzania. Ukipenda tunga lugha yako na uitafutie jina na tutakuunga mkono lakini usituharibie Kiswahili. Niwie radhi, sina sababu ya kubembeleza hapa; hatupimani ubingwa wa diplomasia hapa bali tunayasema mambo kama yalivyo.

TANZANIA NA ASILI YA KISWAHILI

Pili, Tanzania ndiyo chimbuko, chemchemi na kila kitu cha Kiswahili. Ufuatao ndio ushahidi: (a) Historia; (b) Utamaduni; (c) Siasa; (d) Ubora; (e) Matumizi.

HISTORIA

Ndiyo, ni kweli kwamba kulikuwa na lahaja ya Kiswahili iliyoitwa Kingozi iliyozungumzwa na wakazi wa eneo la katikati ya Lamu na Benadir kule Somalia lakini haikuwa peke yake. Pwani nzima ya Afrika Mashariki ilikuwa na lahaja nyingi kama Kiichifundi, Kijomvu, Kiimwiini, Kiamu, Kibajuni, Kimakunduchi, Kimgao, Kimrima, Kimvita, Kimwani, Kingare, Kingazija, Kingwana, Kinika, Kinwzani, Kipate, Kipemba, Kishamore, Kishimwali, Kitikuu au Kigunya, Kitumbatu, Kiunguja, na Kivumba.

Hizi lahaja zilisambaa kuanzia Somalia palipokuwa pia na Kimwiini mathalani, hadi Msumbiji palipokuwa na Kimwani, Kongo kwenye Kingwana, na kule Komoro kwenye Kinwzani (mifano michache tu). Tofauti moja ilikuwa kwamba watu waliokuwa wakiishi sehemu ambayo leo hii ndiyo Tanzania hawakuwa na mrundikano mkubwa wa lahaja hizi, na hivyo kuzifanya lahaja zao ziwe na nguvu zaidi. Pale walipokuja Waarabu, Wahindi, na Waajemi kuanzia karne ya 6 na kisha kuchanganyikana na wenyeji, lugha hizi zilikuwa zaidi lakini ikumbukwe kuwa makazi makubwa ya wageni yalikuwa kwenye eneo la visiwa vya Unguja na Pemba, Kilwa, Bagamoyo na Pangani – kote huku ni Tanzania. Baadaye walisogea Mombasa hadi Lamu lakini Waarabu waliokuja huko Somalia, Lamu na Malindi walitokea Yemeni zaidi na wao hawakujali lugha za wenyeji na ndiyo maana lahaja za pwani ya kaskazini mwa Kenya na kusini ya Somalia zilipotea wakati za Tanzania na Zanzibar za leo zikabaki. Hii haikuwa uchawi bali ukweli na ndiyo maana lahaja za eneo hili la Tanzania zilifanikiwa kujitosheleza zaidi kama lugha za kuziacha zingine zikibaki duni.

Hivyo, ilipofika wakati wa Mwingireza kusema kwamba hatuwezi kuendelea kuwa na mvurugano wa lugha nyingi zinazotofatiana, ilibidi kiundwe chombo kitakachotatua tatizo hili – Inter-territorial Language Committee to the East African Dependence mwaka 1930 chini ya uratibu wa mzungu Bw. B. J. Ratcliffe. Ndipo KIUNGUJA kilipochukuliwa kama lahaja kuu itakayotumika kukijenga Kiswahili Sanifu. Kufikia wakati huo hakukuwa na Kingozi, wala Kiamu wala wala lahaja yoyote zaidi ya Kimvita, Kiamu na Kiunguja ambazo ziliwekwa mezani. Hizi zingine zilikuwa dhaifu mno na hazikufanikiwa kusambaa wala kutoa ushawishi.

Kutokana na kukomaa kwake na kukua kwake, lahaja ya Kiunguja ilikubalika zaidi. Ikumbukwe kwamba ndiyo iliyokuwa ikitawala eneo la Tanzania ya leo na tayari wamisionari walishafasiri vitabu vya nyimbo, Biblia. Kamusi ya kwanza ya Madan iliandikwa mwaka 1903 huko Zanzibar na baadaye mwaka 1925 Mkutano wa Elimu wa Dar es Salaam ulishauri ifanyiwe marekebisho. Kile chombo kilikaa chini baada ya kuundwa na kuifanyia marekebisho kamusi ya Madan na kutoa mpya ya Frederick Johnson ya mwaka 1939. Hapo tayari Mjerumani Johann Ludwig Krapf alishaandika ya kwake tangu mwaka 1925 kwa ajili ya kusaidia ueneaji wa dini ya kikristo. Kazi zote hizi zilifanyika Zanzibar na Tanzania ya leo.

Ndiyo maana Kiswahili kina maneno ya wageni waliokuwa wanakuja Tanzania na Zanzibar za leo na si Kenya au kwingineko, mfano Vasco da Gama ingawa alifika Mombasa pia, Waturuki waliokuja Zanzibar, Waajemi waliokuwa Zanzibar, Waarabu na Wahindi, na Wakomoro na mwisho Wajerumani kabla ya Waingereza. Ukitafuta majina ya wahusika wa kazi za mwanzo za Kiswahili utakuta ni wamisionari na wote walikuwa Zanzibar ya leo ama Tanzania ya leo kuanzia Kilwa ambapo kuna rekodi ya maneno ya Kiswahili kwa herufi za Kiarabu ya mwaka 1711. Mombasa, Lamu na Malindi, hazimo kwenye historia ya ukuaji wa Kiswahili. Ili ziwemo inabidi Mkenya aandike uongo na kuusambaza. Mimi sijawahi kuona umuhimu wa eneo lolote la Kenya kwenye ujengaji wa lugha hii zaidi ya kusema tu kwamba kulikuwa na wazungumzaji walionea hadi huko ambao kimsingi walizungumza lahaja ambazo zilikataliwa kuingia kwenye Kiswahili na wala hazikufika kule kulikokuwa na Waswahili na wakuzaji wa Kiswahili.

Huu ni mmojawapo wa misingi mikuu inayothibitisha kwamba Kiswahili ni lugha ya Tanzania na kuwepo kwa lahaja zinazofanana na Kiswahili kwenye nchi kama Kenya hakubadilishi kitu. Nimeandika kwa kifupi sana na sidhani kama nina haja ya kuandika zaidi kwenye sababu zingine, labda nitaje tu kidogo. Ukitaka nikupe orodha ya machapisho, niambie nifanye kazi ya kuyaweka mengi zaidi. Nitaweka machache. Sina muda sasa hivi.

Kuhusu utamaduni nadhani wote tunafahamu kuwa utamaduni wa kweli wa Kiswahili upo wapi: ni Tanzania Bara na Zanzibar. Siasa na maisha yote ya Watanzania yanakwenda kwa Kiswahili na hata uhuru ulipitia kwenye lugha hii na imetuunganisha haswa. Ubora wa Kiswahili wa Tanzania hauna maswali. Matumizi ya Kiswahili nchini Tanzania yanajulikana; huwezi kukuta rais wa Tanzania anasema: "Nenda mka-ji-enjoy" kama anavyosema Mwai Kibaki. Gazeti la Tanzania haliwezi kuandika: "Mtu huyo aliambia yeye..." ambayo ni Kiingereza-Kiswahili: "That person told him..."

Madai ya siku zote kwamba eti Kimvita ndicho kilichotumika kujenga Kiswahili Sanifu ni uhuni wa wanazuoni wa Kiswahili wa Kenya. Kama hivyo ni kweli, basi ni kwa nini haijaandikwa popote? Kwa nini kamusi na vitabu vyote vya mwanzo havikutokea Mombasa? Kwa nini Kimvita hakifanani na Kiswahili Sanifu kama ilivyo kwa Kiunguja? Kwa nini Wakenya hawakijui Kiswahili? Inawezekanaje jamii iwe chimbuko la lugha halafu yenyewe isiijue lugha hiyo hiyo?

Akina Paulo, tuacheni uhuni wa Mlima Kilimanjaro. Hamna kitu hapa!

Ushahidi zaidi kwamba Kiswahili kimetokana na Kiunguja jielimishe kuhusu kilichofanywa na ile Kamati ya mwaka 1930, halafu soma:

  1. Machapisho ya Thomas J. Hinnebusch na Sarah Mirza kikiwemo kitabu chao cha Swahili: a foundation for speaking, reading and writing, 1998, ambacho walisaidiwa ushauri na Lioba Moshi.
  2. Thomas J. Hinnebusch, 1992. "Swahili", International Encyclopedia of Linguistics, Oxford, uk. 99-106.
  3. Chapisho la Hassan O. Ali na Ali M. Mazrui la mwaka 2004 liitwalo Teach yourself Swahili.
  4. Whiteley, Wilfred Howell. Swahili: the rise of a national language. Methuen, 1969.
  5. Prins, Adriaan Hendrik Johan. The Swahili-speaking people of Zanzibar and the East African Coast. 1961.
  6. Amidu, Assibi Apatewon. Kiswahili, a continetal language: how possible is it? Nordic Journal of African Studis, 4(2): uk. 50-70 (1995).
  7. Amidu, Assibi Apatewon. Kiswahili: people, language, literature, and lingua franca. Nordic Journal of African Studis, 4(1): uk. 104-125 (1995).

HITIMISHO: Sidhani kama kuna haja ya kuleta hadithi ya Mlima Kilimanjaron kwenye Kiswahili. Kiswahili kimetoka Tanzania, kimechumbikia Tanzania na kimekulia Tanzania, kinatuznwa na kuishi Tanzania na kinakulia Tanzania na historia inathibitisha hilo na hakuna ubishi. Kimvita wala hata hakikuwa na nafasi na kile chombo cha mwaka 1930 kilikikataa na kukichukua Kiunguja na rekodi zipo.

Sikumaliza lakini inatosha kwa leo.

Mobhare Matinyi.


 
From: matinyi@hotmail.com
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:08:07 +0000

Paulo,
1. Nimesema "Kiswahili hicho" na niko sahihi. Nitakufafanulia.
2. Kiswahili hakitokani na lugha yoyote ya Kenya iwe Kingozi au Kimvita, bali ni Kiunguja. Nitakueleza.
Nimebanwa na kazi sasa lakini nitarejea baadaye na maelezo ya kutosha.
Matinyi.
 
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 14:00:40 +0100
From: ekunyaranyara@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com

Lugambwa,

Kumbe na wewe ni mfuatiliaji mzuri wa mjadala huu. na mimi nafuatilia kwa makini, lakini ninachoona hoja kubwa ya Paul hataki Tanzania itamkwe kuwa ndio mmiliki wa Kiswahili. Inamuuma sana.  Lakini nadhani huo ndio ukweli hasa.
 
K.E.M.S.
From: Laurean Rugambwa B. <rugambwa@hotmail.com>
To: wanabidii wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2012, 5:55
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU

Asante Bwana Paul,
Mimi nitajibu e-mail ya Matinyi baadae, mimi sio mtaalamu wa Kiswahili kwa ngazi ya juu. Najua ninazungumza na kuandika kiswahili ambacho ni sanifu.
 Ila niseme kuwa matumizi ya lugha inategemea mtu anazungumza na nani.. Rais kabila, kijana aliyezaliwa hapa na kusoma Dar es salaam, ili aweze kueleweka kwao DRC hawezi kuzungumza kama sisi. Hawatamuelewa.
Kila la heri, wote ni waelewa wazuri, kwa maana ya Matinyi na wewe..Mimi napata elimu hapa, wala sichoki, napenda mijadala ya namna hii.
 
asante sana,
LR
 
 

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 02:11:15 -0700
From: pauliyai@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com

Ndugu wapendwa,
Kuna mambo fulani hapa ambayo si ya kweli na itakuwa vibaya mimi kunyamaza bila kuyataja hapa. Mwanzo lazima tukubali kwamba, Tanzania sio Chimbuko la Kiswahili na wala si Chemichemi yake. Lugha ya Kiswahili inachimbuko lake katika pwani ya Afrika Mashariki kuanzia pwani ya Somalia hadi Msumbiji. Lugha ya Kingozi ndiyo hasa inayojulikana kuwa msingi wa Kiswahili na Kingozi kama lugha haikuzungumzwa Tanzania kwani wakati huo hatukuwa na Tanzania wala Kenya.

Jambo lililonifanya kuchangia mada hii, ilikuwa kusema kwamba msemaji anaposema Kiswahili yangu, hajakosea kisarufi kwa sababu Kiswahili ni Lugha na kama katika usemi wake anakusudia kusema Kiswahili (lugha) yangu" basi ni sahihi kwa sababu neno lugha linaingia katika Ngeli ya NN kama Ndugu Matinyi alivyosema.

Jambo la pili, ningependa kusema kuwa, Watanzania wanamchango wao wakukiharibu Kiswahili hasa katika matumizi yake. Kwafano Matinyi hapa chini aliandika hivi  Bahati nzuri huku Tanzania Bara kikakua hicho Kiswahili Sanifu na kule Zanzibar ikaendelea vurugu mechi ya lahaja za Kiswahili zilizojaa Kiarabu. Je ni sahihi kusema Hicho Kiswahili ama Kiswahili hicho? Je huu si uburugaji wa sarufi?
Tatu, nidhahiri kuwa viongozi wa Tanzania hukutumia Kiswahili sawasawa katika hotuba zao. Matumizi haya huwa hivyo kwa sababu Watanzia wengi hukielewa Kiswahili. Hii haionyeshi kuwa watanzania wanakijua Kiswahili kuliko wakenya. Viongozi wa Kenya hutumia Kiswahili kwa sababu tofauti- kuwasiliana na wale Wakenya ambao hawakielewi Kiingereza. Ikiwa vingozi wanakiharibu Kiswahili, isisemwe kuwa Wakenya wote hawakijui Kiswahili. Wasomi kama Hayati Tigiti Sengo kupitia katika majarida ya Kiswahili ya Mulika, walichangia pakubwa isimu hii ya Lugha na hawakuwa na majivuno kama ya wengi wanao andika kataika makala haya ya mtandao.

Nne, Lahaja iliyotumiwa katika usanifishaji wa Kiswahili, niki Kimvita nawala si Kiunguja. Tazama Historia ya Kiswahili iliyoandikwa na Chirabdin Chiragdin.
Hasante
Paulo

From: Mohamedi Mtoi <mouddymtoi@gmail.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU

Kaka matinyi.
Kama kawaida yako unatupigisha shule iliyotukuka. Sina mchango zaidi
ya kuwaasa ndugu zetu wanaojua kudakia na kufagilia kila wanacho ona
kinapita kwenye kope ya macho yao kuvunja kikombe cha majivuno na
kukubali ukweli mchungu kuwa kiswahili fasaha kinazungumzwa Tanzania
na wakitaka kujifunza milango iko wazi hadi kwa ngazi ya chekechea.

On 7/18/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Laurean,
>
> Ni hatari sana kuyajadili
> haya mambo bila kuyajua. Ni hatari sana na ndio maana kuna msemo kwamba
> kukijua
> kitu kidogo ni hatari zaidi kuliko kutokukijua kabisa. Unachosema hapa
> hakiko
> hivi hata kidogo.
>
> MSIMAMIZIKuhusu msimamizi ni
> hivi, Baraza la Kiswahili la Taifa la Tanzania ndiyo chombo
> kinachotambulika
> kama kisima cha Kiswahili Sanifu Tanzania na kwa kuwa ni Tanzania ndiko
> kwenye
> Kiswahili Sanifu, hivyo, hili Baraza halina budi kuifanya kazi hiyo. Nchini
> Kenya kuna Chama cha Kiswahili cha Taifa lakini nisifiche, hakina uwezo wa
> kuitunza lugha hii kulinganisha na Baraza la Tanzania na kinaleta shida
> zake
> nyingi kidogo. Tuna TUKI pia ya Chuo Kikuu cha Dar es Salaam na
> inaheshimika
> duniani. Hivi sasa limeundwa Baraza la Kiswahili la Afrika Mashariki chini
> ya
> EAC na litafanya hiyo kazi unayoifikiria kwa nchi zote za Afrika Mashariki.
> Hata kama hakuna chombo, huo hauwezi kuwa uhalali wa kila mtu kuibuka na
> lugha
> yake ya ajabu ajabu. Kuna udhaifu katika usimamizi wake kutokana na umaskini
> au
> uzembe wa BAKITA lakini bado hiyo siyo sababu ya kuhalalisha uhuni wa
> kuzagaazagaa kwa viswahili vingi – hata kama vitakuwepo bado havitakuwa
> sanifu.
> Lugha kuitwa sanifu siyo jambo la mchezo hata kidogo.
>
> ASILI
>
> Kwamba asili ya Kiswahili
> Sanifu ni Tanzania iko hivi: Wakati Mwingireza akizitawala nchi zetu
> aliamua
> kwenye miaka ya 1930 mwanzoni kwamba kuwe na Kiswahili Sanifu kimoja badala
> ya
> kuwa na lahaja nyingi bila Kiswahili Sanifu. Akaunda Baraza la Afrika
> Mashariki
> la Lugha na akalipa kazi hiyo. Wajumbe wake mahiri walitoka Tanganyika na
> Zanzibar kwa kuwa ndiko wazungumzaji wengi walipokuwepo. Baada ya utafiti
> ikaonekana kwamba lahaja ya Kiunguja ndiyo itumike kujenga Kiswahili Sanifu
> kwa
> kufuata njia za kitaalamu na siyo ubabaishaji. Bahati nzuri huku Tanzania
> Bara
> kikakua hicho Kiswahili Sanifu na kule Zanzibar ikaendelea vurugu mechi ya
> lahaja za Kiswahili zilizojaa Kiarabu. Kenya wakakitukana Kiswahili na
> Uganda
> wakakikwepa hadi miaka ya 1970 mwanzoni walipovuta shuka kukiwa
> kumeshakucha.
> Kwa kuwa Tanzania Bara elimu ya wamisionari na mkoloni ilikibeba Kiswahili
> Sanifu kama somo na baadaye baada ya uhuru tukakipa hadhi kubwa zaidi na
> kuanza
> kufundishia shule za msingi, basi tukaishia kuwa mabingwa wake na hakuna la
> kuzuia ukweli huo. Kimsingi Kiswahili kikawa kimefika mahali pake kwa kuwa
> ndipo tangu awali kilipozaliwa.
>
> KISWAHILI CHA KENYA
>
> Nilipokwambia kwamba
> huwa ninasoma gazeti kuu na pekee la kila siku la Kiswahili la Kenya sikuwa
> nafanya mzaha. Nilipokwambia kwamba limejaa makosa sikuwa nafanya mzaha
> pia.
> Hakuna Kiswahili Sanifu Kenya ila wanajaribu kukifikia. Mimi pia husikiliza
> redio zao na TV zao na hata kwenye YouTube zipo – nenda kasikilize. Aidha,
> hapa
> Marekani nina mkataba wa kazi ya pembeni ya kuwatahini watu wa Afrika
> Mashariki
> wanapoomba kazi kunakohitajika lugha hii. Wengi wao huwa ni Wakenya na kwa
> kweli hawakiwezi Kiswahili ila bahati tu ni kwamba huwa hawahitajiki
> kukijua
> kwa kiwango cha juu, hivyo mambo huwaendea vema tu – yaani siwafanyii roho
> mbaya. Kiswahili ni tatizo Kenya na ninajua ninachokizungumza na nina
> ushahidi
> ambao nikikupa utashangaa.
>
> Nadhani tatizo lako
> wewe Laurean ni kushindwa kutofautisha vitu viwili:
>
> MOJA: Tofauti kati ya uwezo wa lugha (language proficiency) na utaalamu wa
> kuandika (writing mechanics) ama kutangaza hewani. Inaelekea kwako wewe
> hivi
> viwili ni kimoja. Ukweli ni kwamba hivi si kimoja na ninaweza kukubali
> kwamba
> kijana Mtanzania aliyepata elimu mbovu hataweza kuandika vema hata kama
> anakijua Kiswahili vizuri. Kuandika na kuijua lugha ni mambo mawili
> tofauti.
> Nikupe mfano: Bibi wa bibi yako pale Bukoba alijua kuandika na kusoma enzi
> hizo?
> Jibu nina hakika ni HAPANA. Kwa hiyo tuseme kwamba yeye hakukijua Kihaya?
> Tatizo
> la Tanzania ni kuanguka kwa elimu na ndiyo maana vijana wetu wengi hawawezi
> kuandika katika lugha yoyote ile. Hili si suala la Kiswahili.
>
> PILI: Tofauti ya ukuaji wa msamiati na usanifu wa lugha. Wakenya kuchangia
> msamiati haina maana wana Kiswahili Sanifu kuliko Tanzania au Watanzania
> kupokea msamiati wa Kenya haina maana wameshindwa. Kwenye msamiati kuna
> kitu
> Waingereza wanaita synonyms na ndicho Wakenya wanachofanya katika juhudi
> ya kutaka kukitambulisha Kiswahili chao kivyakevyake lakini bado wanashindwa
> kwenye
> sarufi ya Kiswahili. Hata walimu wa Kiswahili wa Kenya hawaimudu sarufi vema
> na
> ushahidi ninao. Kitaifa hali ni mbaya zaidi kuanzia kwa rais hadi chini.
> Neno
> runinga lilitoka Kenya na halina cha ajabu zaidi ya kwamba linamaanisha
> televisheni. Neno ufisadi lilikuwemo kwenye Kiswahili kwa miaka nenda rudi
> isipokuwa Wakenya walilikosea maana yake na kuanza kulitumia kumaanisha
> rushwa
> na Watanzania wakaliokota kizembe tu. Rejea malalamiko ya Mzee Yusuf
> Makamba
> kuhusu matumizi ya neno hili. Sasa limebadilika maana kwa mzaha wa
> Watanzania
> na makosa ya Wakenya lakini maana yake ya awali ipo, na hata kwenye mafungu
> ya
> Biblia ya zamani ya Kiswahili ya Tanzania lipo. Kamusi za zamani pia limo
> na
> tafuta uone maana yake – si hii rushwa ya leo. Muulize Mzee Makamba pia.
> Kuja na
> msamiati wa nyongeza si cheti cha usanifu.
>
> Kwamba Wahindi wana
> Kiingereza cha Malkia kuliko Waingereza – sidhani kama kuna ukweli. Mimi
> nimewahi kuishi India kwa miaka mitatu na sikusikia hiki kitu na sikuona
> hicho
> Kiingereza cha Malkia. Nipe ushahidi. Afrika Kusini nako hakuna kitu kama
> hiki
> na nimemuuliza mdogo wangu aliyeishi huko kwa miaka miwili na kwa kweli
> zaidi
> ya kuniambia kwamba Afrika Kusini kuna Kiingereza chenye mikogo tofauti na
> Kiingereza chenyewe cha Uingereza, hakunitajia kitu kama hiki unachodai.
> Nipe
> ushahidi kama kipo. Unaposema Kiingereza cha Malkia kiko huko unamaanisha
> nini
> hasa? Je, unafahamu kuwa hata London penyewe kuna zaidi ya Kiingereza
> kimoja
> kwa maana ya lafudhi na uchaguzi wa misamiati lakini siyo sarufi?
>
> Mwisho: Ni fikra zako tu kwamba Kenya wako mbele kwenye usanifu kuliko
> Tanzania
> lakini kiukweli Kenya wako mbele kwenye kukivuruga na ndio maana nilitoa
> wito
> kwamba wajifunze kwa Watanzania ama Tanzania. Nina ushahidi na ninachokisema
> na
> ukitaka nitakuwekea hapa. Jambo ambalo ninaipa Kenya alama za juu ni ubora
> wa
> elimu lakini siyo ubingwa wa Kiswahili. Usilinganishe Kiswahili cha mhuni
> wa
> Dar es Salaam aliyekosa elimu na eti ufundi wa kuandika (siyo Kiswahili) wa
> mtu
> mwenye shahada ya uandishi/ualimu Kenya.
>
> Sijui kama umenipata.
>
> Matinyi.
>
>
>
>> From: rugambwa@hotmail.com
>> To: matinyi@hotmail.com; wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> CC: mauricejoduor@gmail.com; pauliyai@yahoo.com
>> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 04:24:44 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
>>
>> Matinyi,
>> Nimeelewa mantiki yako na nakushukuru kuchukua muda wako kutoa maelezo ya
>> kitaalamu kwenye hii lugha yetu ya Kiswahili.
>>
>> Muktadha wa hoja yangu ulikuwa ni je, kuna msimamizi gani wa kuwazuia
>> wasiite lugha yao hawa warundi kiswahili cha Burundi? Kama walivyofanya
>> wajamaica na washelisheli juu ya mchanganyiko wa lugha ya asili
>> wakatengeneza yao?
>>
>> Najua pia kuwa kuna asili ya lugha, kiswahili asili na sanifu ni Tanzania,
>> lakini ujue kuwa wakenya wanazungumza na kuandika kwenye vyombo rasmi kama
>> TV,Radio na magazeti kiswahili sanifu hata zaidi yetu. Mathalani, maneno
>> runinga na ufisadi wametufundisha wao! Kwa kuongea sisi tuko mbali, maana
>> mzaramo au mtu yeyote ambaye kiswahili ni lugha mama lakini sio makini na
>> akiwa anaongea utadhani kwa uwezo huo anaweza andika vizuri, mwambie
>> aandike uone vioja!
>>
>> Hivyo, Tanzania tusije jikute kama kwa kiingereza ambacho leo wao
>> wanakubali kuwa the only 'queen English' remaining is in South Africa and
>> India wala sio kwao.
>>
>> Baada ya maelezo hayo, narudia kusema nakubaliana na wewe lakini hatuna
>> mtu wa kuhakikisha viswahili hivi haviitwi rasmi na sanifu huko kwa
>> watumiaji.
>>
>> Kenya wako mbele kwa usanifu hasa kwenye maandishi rasmi zaidi yetu.
>>
>> LR
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by Airtel Tanzania.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 23:53:26
>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Cc: <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>; <rugambwa@hotmail.com>;
>> <pauliyai@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: RE: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
>>
>>
>>  Laurean,
>>
>>
>> Bahati mbaya sikuwa na nafasi ya kuchangia mapema kutokana na kubanwa na
>> shughuli. Naomba niseme hivi - hakuna kitu kama hicho ulichodai - eti
>> Kiswahili Sanifu cha kila nchi kama wanavyotaka wao wenyewe. Hakuna balaa
>> kama hili, na si kwenye Kiswahili tu, bali kwenye kila lugha ya watu
>> makini.
>>
>> Kilichopo duniani ni Kiswahili kinachoendana na mazoea ya jamii fulani
>> fulani ambapo hata nchi nzima inaweza kuchukuliwa kama jamii lakini
>> Kiswahili hiki kinaweza kisifikie mahali pa kuitwa lahaja kama ambavyo
>> tuna lahaja za Kiswahili za Kiungwana (Mashariki mwa Kongo); Kiunguja,
>> Kimakunduchi, Kipemba, n.k. (Zanzibar), Kimvita, n.k. (Kenya), Kingazija
>> (Komoro), n.k.
>>
>> Hivyo kuna zaidi ya lahaja, na lahaja hizi huweza kuwa na tofauti na
>> Kiswahili chenyewe katika misamiati yake na hata sarufi. Suala la lahaja
>> ni jambo la kawaida kwenye lugha duniani na mfano mzuri wa lahaja ni lugha
>> za Kibantu na lahaja zake au lugha za Kihindi na lahaja zake. Lahaja huwa
>> na jina lake kamili kama nilivyotaja hapo juu kwenye Kiswahili. Lahaja si
>> suala la hovyo hovyo tu na lahaja hazihalalishi muujiza wa kuwepo kwa
>> lugha sanifu nyingi.
>>
>> Kwenye hali ya kawaida lugha moja inaweza ikawa na matoleo tofauti (si
>> lahaja haswa) kama ilivyo kwenye Kiarabu ambapo kuna cha Misri, Sudan,
>> Saudi Arabia, Moroko, Lebanon, Yodani, n.k. Kiarabu cha Misri ndicho
>> maarufu zaidi kwenye dunia ya Waarabu kutokana na umaarufu wa utamaduni wa
>> Misri. Hata hivyo, kuna Kiarabu kimoja tu kiitwacho Kiarabu Sanifu
>> (Standard Arabic), na ndicho hutumika kwenye mawasiliano rasmi, na kwenye
>> Kurani Tukufu, vyombo vya habari na dunia ya kitaaluma.
>>
>> Hali hii ya Kiarabu ndiyo iliyopo kwenye Kiswahili ambapo nchi ama jamii
>> kadhaa zina aina zao za Kiswahili ambacho si SANIFU bali ni Kiswahili
>> chenye mchanganyiko wa matumizi tofauti ya msamiati na wakati mwingine
>> makosa sugu ya kisarufi yaliyokomaa (kwenye Kiingereza cha sayansi ya
>> lugha inaitwa fossilization, yaani mchakato wa kitu laini kufanyika kuwa
>> kigumu kama jiwe). Hapo ndipo unaweza ukapata hivyo 'viswahili' ulivyotaja
>> kama vipo, na ikibidi hata zaidi.
>>
>> Kama ilivyo kwenye Kiarabu, kwamba hivyo 'viarabu' vingi si SANIFU bali ni
>> matoleo ya viarabu yanayosaidia mawasiliano katika nchi na jamii
>> mbalimbali huku KIARABU SANIFU kikibaki pale pale; ndivyo hivyo ilivyo
>> kwenye Kiswahili kwamba huko kwingine kuna 'viswahili' kibao lakini vyote
>> si SANIFU na inapofika kwenye kutafuta usahihi vinarejea kwenye KISWAHILI
>> SANIFU.
>>
>> Kiswahili Sanifu ndicho hutoa kitu kiitwacho KAMUSI na kamwe hivyo
>> viswahili vya kuzagaazagaa haviwezi kutoa Kamusi inayokubalika katika
>> dunia ya wasomi wa lugha. Inawezekana kuwa na kamusi ya kihunihuni tu,
>> lakini haitakuwa rasmi.
>>
>> Ukienda Kenya utakuta kwamba walimu waliofuzu vema lugha hii ya Kiswahili
>> wanazungumza Kiswahili safi kinachopatikana Tanzania na wengi wao ama
>> walifundishwa na Mtanzania au walisomea Tanzania au walifanya juhudi
>> zisizokuwa za kawaida. Mathalani wao hawasemi: Ambia ile mtoto ya rafiki
>> yako ikuje hapa - bali husema: Mwambie yule mtoto wa rafiki yako aje hapa.
>> Hawasemi: Raila afukuza Rutto - bali wanasema: Raila amfukuza Rutto.
>>
>> Hii mifano ninayokupa ni halisi na imo hadi kwenye gazeti pekee la
>> Kiswahili lililoajiri wataalamu wa Kiswahili kwa kiwango cha Kenya - Taifa
>> Letu. Mimi husoma gazeti hili kila siku kama ninavyosoma magazeti ya
>> Tanzania na sikumbuki siku ambayo sikukutana na kosa la kisarufi. Hiki cha
>> Kenya si Kiswahili Sanifu kwa kipimo chochote kile na ndiyo maana Mkenya
>> anayefuzu vema Kiswahili huachana nacho.
>>
>> Watu wengi huchanganya dhana inayotajwa kwenye Kiingereza, kwamba kuna
>> British English, American English, Australian, Canadian English, na South
>> African English. Sarufi ya msingi ya lugha hizi - viingereza - ni moja na
>> moja tu. Tofauti ipo kwenye herufi kama color/colour, matamshi au lafudhi,
>> na matumizi ya maneno kwa mfano trash can kwa Wamarekani na dust bin kwa
>> Waingereza au truck kwa Wamarekani na lorry kwa Waingereza. Usanifu wa
>> Kiingereza ni mmoja na ndio unaofuatwa na matoleo yote haya ya viingereza
>> ambayo yanatambulika kama RASMI.
>>
>> Hicho unachokiita Kiswahili cha Burundi, Uganda, Kongo, n.k. si mfano wa
>> matoleo haya ya Kiingereza kwa kuwa kimebebwa na makosa sugu na udhaifu
>> mkubw awa kilugha. Kingeweza kuwa hivyo kama sarufi ingekuwa sahihi na
>> sawa na Kiswahili Sanifu lakini matumizi ya maneno na lafudhi - na hata
>> herufi kama Akhsante na Asante - zikawa tofauti, mfano stima huko Kenya
>> ambapo kwa Tanzania ni umeme.
>>
>> HITIMISHO: Kuna Kiswahili Sanifu kimoja tu. Ndiyo, kuna na 'iswahili
>> vingine vya kijamii na lahaja kadhaa lakini KISWAHILI SANIFU ni kimoja tu.
>> Tusiwapotoshe watu kwa kudhania maoni makavu tu yanafaa ili mradi ni
>> maoni. Lugha si suala la maoni tu bali ni kitu kamili na cha kisayansi.
>>
>> Mobhare Matinyi.
>>  ***********************************
>>
>>
>> > From: rugambwa@hotmail.com
>> > To: mauricejoduor@gmail.com; wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> > CC: pauliyai@yahoo.com
>> > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 18:26:42 +0000
>> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
>> >
>> > Maurice na Matinyi:
>> > Kuna kiswahili cha Kenya, Burundi, DRC na Kiswahili cha Tanzania.
>> >
>> > Usanifu wake unategemea mzungumzaji, sikubaliana na Matinyi kuwa
>> > kiswahili cha Tanzania ndo sanifu pekee. Usanifu ni makubaliano ya nchi
>> > husika juu ya hiyo lugha.
>> >
>> > Jioni njema,
>> >
>> > LR
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by Airtel Tanzania.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:14:19
>> > To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> > Cc: <pauliyai@yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
>> >
>> >
>> > Mobhare,
>> >
>> > Salaaaale !!!!
>> >
>> > Kabisa baba !!!
>> >
>> > Umetusomea kweli. Yaani hata ijapo kwenye mtihani wetu wa taifa wa
>> > kidatu cha nne niliiongoza Kenya nzima, uminitia shaka sasa na
>> > Kiswahili changu !!
>> >
>> > Oduor Maurice
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 7/15/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bwana
>> > > Paulo,
>> > >
>> > > 1. Bila kujali kwenu wapi, hoja yako ya kuhalalisha usemaji huu
>> > > "Kiswahili
>> > > yangu" haiwezi kupita bila kupingwa na wazungumzaji wa Kiswahili.
>> > > Maelezo
>> > > yako ya ngeli ni hoja za kawaida za walimu/wajuaji wa Kiswahili wa
>> > > Kenya.
>> > > Madai
>> > > kwamba msemaji wa Kiswahili anaposema "Kiswahili yangu" eti anaabudu
>> > > hadhi ya Kiswahili kama lugha ni kituko - yaani neno hili "lugha"
>> > > kubeba
>> > > ngeli ya I/ZI. Hebu naomba uchambue mfano huu hapa:
>> > >
>> > > (a) Naomba unipatie hiyo nyama
>> > > yangu............................................N/N
>> > >
>> > > (b) Nani amekula mkate
>> > > wangu?......................................................M/MI
>> > >
>> > > (c) Hili ni tunda lako lakini lile ni tunda
>> > > langu.....................................JI/MA
>> > >
>> > > (d) Naomba mtu asiguse kisamvu
>> > > changu.........................................KI/VI
>> > >
>> > > (e) Bado sijanywa uji
>> > > wangu.............................................................U/N
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Nadhani umeshaona ninapoelekea. Hivi vyote vi vyakula. Je, unaweza
>> > > kutumia "changu" kwenye umilikaji wake eti kwa kuwa unaviheshimu kama
>> > > "vyakula" katika umoja wake wa chakula hivyo useme hivi: nyama
>> > > changu,
>> > > mkate changu, tunda changu, kisamvu changu (hii iko sahihi
>> > > kwa sababu imo kwenye KI/VI kama chakuka changu kilivyo kwenye
>> > > KI/VI),
>> > > na pia uji changu???
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Jibu ni kwamba kwenye Kiswahili huwezi kufanya hivi labda kwenye lugha
>> > > moja
>> > > iitwayo "Kikenya" ambayo inataka kufananafanana na Kiswahili lakini
>> > > siyo Kiswahili. Kwa kufuata hiyo kanuni yako kwenye umiliki wa majina
>> > > haya
>> > > ya
>> > > vyakula itakuwa ni uwendawazimu wa lugha. Huwezi kusema Kiswahili
>> > > yangu eti
>> > > kwa
>> > > kuwa Kiswahili ni lugha kama ambavyo huwezi kusema mkate changu eti
>> > > kwa
>> > > mkate ni chakula. Endelea kusujudia misamiati/nomino lakini usiseme
>> > > hicho ni Kiswahili; hicho ni Kikenya.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2. Hoja ya pili kwamba eti wasomi wengi hawataki kutumia neno
>> > > "Swahili" eti kwa kuwa ni kasumba ya kikoloni, si sahihi. Hiyo ni
>> > > hoja ya wanaojiita wasomi wa Kiswahili wa Kenya ambao hata hivyo,
>> > > kiukweli,
>> > > ndio mabingwa wa kasumba ya kikoloni. Ushahidi upo mwingi. Swahili ni
>> > > jina la lugha yetu kuu Watanzania likiwa katika mzizi wake na ndilo
>> > > jina
>> > > linalotumika pindi mtu anapozungumza lugha ambazo hazina vishina vya
>> > > mwanzo
>> > > vya
>> > > kuitambulisha lugha, mfano kwenye lugha za Ulaya. Hivyo
>> > > unapowasiliana
>> > > katika
>> > > Kifaransa au Kiingereza unasema "Swahili". Kitendo cha kuiita lugha
>> > > hii "Kiswahili" wakati unawasiliana na lugha ambazo hazina viambishi
>> > > awali vya kuitambulisha lugha ni ubabaishaji na makosa ya kutokujua
>> > > au
>> > > kutokujali. Kiswahili ni jina la lugha hii katika lugha yenyewe, kama
>> > > vile
>> > > mtu
>> > > asemapo Deutsche kumaanisha Kijerumani kwa Kijerumani chenyewe.
>> > >
>> > > Kuna
>> > > tatizo kubwa nchini Kenya la watu kukiita Kiswahili eti "Kiswahili"
>> > > wanapozungumza Kiingereza kwa kudhani wanapigana na ukoloni. Si kweli
>> > > bali
>> > > ni
>> > > muendelezo ule ule wa kukokukijua Kiswahili kwa sababu si lugha ya
>> > > watu wa
>> > > Kenya ingawa kule pwani kuna lahaja za pwani zinazokaribiana na
>> > > Kiswahili,
>> > > mathalani Kimvita. Tafadhali rejea taarifa ya Baraza la Lugha la
>> > > Afrika
>> > > Mashariki la miaka ya 1930. Kiswahili ni lugha ya kimataifa iliyotoka
>> > > Tanzania
>> > > kama Kiingereza kilivyo lugha ya kimataifa baada ya kusambaa kutokea
>> > > Uingereza.
>> > > Pia, nadhani tunafahamu kuwa Wakenya wa pwani ni Watanzania wa
>> > > makabila
>> > > yaliohamia
>> > > huko miaka mamia kadhaa huko nyuma, mfano Wasegeju na Wataita.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 3. Nasisitiza tena: Kiswahili ni lugha ya Tanzania. Ni uwendawazimu
>> > > kusema
>> > > kwamba Kiswahili hakina wenyewe. Kuna watu Tanzania ambao lugha yao
>> > > ni
>> > > Kiswahili tu. Kiswahili kilikuja Kenya kupitia watu wa pwani ya
>> > > Afrika
>> > > Mashariki ambao walilazimika kukijua Kiswahili kutokana na kufanana
>> > > kwa
>> > > lahaja
>> > > zao na Kiswahili na pia muingiliano na watu wa Zanzibar na pwani ya
>> > > Tanzania
>> > > Bara. Watu hao pia walitoka maeneo ya mkoa wa Pwani (Tanzania) na
>> > > Tanga na
>> > > visiwani kwetu Tanzania. Baraza la Kiswahili lililoundwa kwenye miaka
>> > > ya
>> > > 1930
>> > > mwanzoni na wakoloni wa Kiingereza lilisema wazi kwamba Kiswahili
>> > > kiko
>> > > Tanganyika (sasa Tanzania), na likaidhinisha lahaja ya Kiunguja
>> > > kutumika
>> > > kukijenga Kiswahili Sanifu ambacho kimsingi sasa kinatofautiana na
>> > > lahaja
>> > > yenyewe ya Kiunguja kwa sababu ya usanifu wake uliofuata utafiti wa
>> > > lugha
>> > > wa
>> > > kisayansi na ukuaji wake pia. Ndiyo maana kuna msemo huu: Kiswahili
>> > > kilizaliwa Zanzibar; kikakulia Tanzania; kikafia Kenya; na kikazikwa
>> > > Uganda.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Mwaka 1973 Dikteta Idi Amin alitoa amri kukitangaza Kiswahili kuwa
>> > > lugha ya
>> > > taifa la Uganda baada ya tume yake maalumu kumpa taarifa kwamba
>> > > Kiganda
>> > > hakina
>> > > sifa za kuwa lugha ya taifa. Kwa aibu, Rais Kenyatta naye akamuiga
>> > > Amin
>> > > mwaka
>> > > 1974 kwa kutoa amri (decree). Kama Kiswahili kingekuwa lugha ya Kenya
>> > > basi
>> > > ni
>> > > hakika kuwa hii amri ya Kenyatta isingehitajika. Tanzania hatukuhitaji
>> > > amri
>> > > kwa
>> > > sababu nchi yetu ilizaliwa kwa kukitumia Kiswahili chenyewe. Kenya
>> > > siku
>> > > zote
>> > > haina lugha ya kiafrika ya kujitambulisha bali ina lugha za makabila
>> > > na
>> > > Kiingereza. Huu ujanja wa kudandia Kiswahili (eti lugha ya Kenya pia)
>> > > ni
>> > > hadithi ile ile ya Mlima Kilimanjaro. Tunawapenda Wakenya na
>> > > tunajisikia
>> > > fahari
>> > > wanapojaribu kuzungumza lugha yetu lakini si busara kwa Wakenya
>> > > kuanza
>> > > kuleta
>> > > ujuaji na kuishia kukiharibu. Tusifanye utani kwenye hili.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Wakenya wajifunze Kiswahili kutoka kwa Watanzania badala ya kutembea
>> > > huku
>> > > na
>> > > kule Marekani na Ulaya wakidanganya eti Kiswahili cha Kenya ni kama
>> > > "American
>> > > English." Si kweli kwa kuwa "American English is not a broken English
>> > > but certainly, Kenyan Swahili is a broken Swahili." Nchini Kenya
>> > > pia hakuna Kiswahili cha aina moja na imebidi Katiba ilazimishe
>> > > kusema
>> > > kwamba
>> > > Kiswahili ni lugha rasmi, baada ya msemo kwamba ni lugha ya taifa
>> > > kushindwa kukitetea Kiswahili. Ndiyo, Kiswahili kinakua nchini Kenya
>> > > lakini
>> > > hakijafikia mahali pa kutumika kama lugha rasmi kwani hata bungeni
>> > > hakiwezi
>> > > kuzungumzwa
>> > > na wala rais hawezi kukizungumza. Gazeti pekee na kubwa la kila siku
>> > > la
>> > > Kiswahili nchini Kenya lina makosa kwenye kurasa zake kila siku
>> > > iendayo kwa
>> > > Mungu. Nipe toleo lolote la Taifa Leo na nitakuonesha makosa ya
>> > > Kiswahili - tena ya wazi wazi kama ukosefu wa viambishi vinavyoonesha
>> > > mtendewa,
>> > > yaani object markers.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Kuhusu Wakenya wanaofundisha Kiswahili huku nje, niseme tu kwamba hawa
>> > > ni
>> > > Waafrika Mashariki wenzetu na mimi binafsi nimewahi kuwasaidia na
>> > > kuwaunga
>> > > mkono, hasa wale wanaojua kwamba wanahitaji msaada wa Watanzania.
>> > > Mmoja
>> > > mwenye
>> > > shahada mbili za uzamili na moja ya uzamivu - zote za lugha -
>> > > nilimsaidia
>> > > kwenye
>> > > mradi wake mmoja lakini mwingine mwenye ya uzamivu lakini mjuaji,
>> > > nilimvuruga
>> > > kweli kweli alipong'ang'ania kufasiri tovuti moja kwa kutumia
>> > > Kiswahili
>> > > kichafu.
>> > >
>> > > MWISHO: Kiswahili ni lugha ya kimataifa
>> > > inayomilikiwa na Tanzania/Watanzania ambako ndipo ilipo na inapotokea.
>> > > Watu
>> > > wote duniani wakisemo Wakenya wanakaribishwa kujifunza lugha hii na
>> > > kuifundisha
>> > > lakini wasiweke madudu yao. Kusema kwamba Kiswahili hakina mwenyewe
>> > > ni
>> > > matusi
>> > > makubwa kama kumwita mtoto eti "mwanaharamu." Wakenya watumieni
>> > > Watanzania
>> > > kujifunza Kiswahili badala ya kuupotosha ulimwengu. Mmarekani mmoja
>> > > rafiki
>> > > yangu baada ya kukaa Tanzania kwa miaka miwili na kujifunza Kiswahili
>> > > murwa,
>> > > alipokwenda Nairobi aliwaambia Wakenya hivi: Ninyi mnazungumza
>> > > Kikenya,
>> > > siyo
>> > > Kiswahili. Alikuwa sahihi.
>> > >
>> > > Mobhare
>> > > Matinyi.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 09:36:28 -0700
>> > > From: pauliyai@yahoo.com
>> > > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
>> > > To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> > >
>> > > Oduori na wengine,Kulingana na uakifishaji na matumizi ya Ngeli
>> > > katika
>> > > Kiswahili, twaweza kusema Kiswahili yangu kwa sababu Kiswahili ni
>> > > Lugha na
>> > > wala si kilugha. Kiswahili ni kama lugha nyinginezo za kibantu, ipo
>> > > katika
>> > > Ngeli mbili.  Ngeli ya I-ZI na na KI-VI(kulingana na matumizi ya Wala
>> > > bin
>> > > Wala) Ngeli hii ya I-ZI tuliijua kama ngeli ya N. Msemaji wa lugha
>> > > anaposema
>> > > Kiswahili yangu, anadhamiria kusema (Kiswahili) Lugha yangu. Jina
>> > > Lugha hapa
>> > > linajusudiwa. Wasomi wengi wa lugha hawataki kutumia jina Swahili kwa
>> > > sababu
>> > > lina kasumba ya kiloloni.
>> > > Sioni kwanini Watanzania kujigamba kuwa wao ndio wenye Kiswahili.
>> > > Kiswahili
>> > > ni Lugha ya kimataifa na haina wenyewe. Ikiwa wapo wakenya
>> > > wanaoifundisha
>> > > lugha hii katika mataifa ya kigeni na wanafanya hivyo kwa hisani ya
>> > > shahada
>> > >  walizonazo katika Elimu na ufundishaji wa Lugha wanafanya hivyo kwa
>> > > sababu
>> > > wanastahili. Si watanzania tu wanaoweza kuifundisha
>> > > lugha.ShukuraniPaulo
>> > >        From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> > >  To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> > >  Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:07 PM
>> > >  Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bariki,
>> > >
>> > > Ahsante.
>> > >
>> > > Oduor Maurice
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 7/14/12, Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> Kupiga kelele
>> > >>
>> > >> 2012/7/14 Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> > >>
>> > >>> Flyimo,
>> > >>> Ahsante sana kwa huo ufafanuzi.
>> > >>> Nindakuomba usaidizi mwingine tena; ni ipi inayokubalika kama lugha
>> > >>> saniifu?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Kufanya kelele
>> > >>> ama
>> > >>> Kupiga kelele      ????
>> > >>>
>> > >>> kenya tuazitumia zote mbili.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Natanguliza shukrani.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Courage,
>> > >>> Oduor Maurice
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 7/14/12, flyimo@yahoo.com <flyimo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >>> > Maurice,
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Bila kukupa vigezo vya kwa nini unavyofikiri sivyo!
>> > >>> > Nakuhakikishia
>> > >>> > katika
>> > >>> > kiswahili sanifu huwezi sema 'kiswahili yangu' bali unasema
>> > >>> > 'kiswahili
>> > >>> > changu'. LABDA itavumilika kidogo na tena inabidi ijulikakane
>> > >>> > kwamba
>> > >>> > umetumia kiingereza na kiswahili then ukasema 'swahil yangu' si
>> > >>> > nzuri!!
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Pia 'sungura' hakuna plural form ya 'masungura' bali ukitaka
>> > >>> > plural
>> > >>> itabidi
>> > >>> > utaje idadi. 'Raia' haina plural ya 'maraia' bali pia unatakiwa
>> > >>> > utaje
>> > >>> idadi
>> > >>> > kuonyesha wingi. 'Askari' kwa 'maaskari' ni sawa pia unaweza
>> > >>> > kutumia
>> > >>> > singular form na idadi ya askari kuonyesha plurality.
>> > >>>
>> > >  >
>> > >>> > Asante
>> > >>> > Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Vodacom
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> > From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> > >>> > Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> > >>> > Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:50:28
>> > >>> > To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> > >>> > Reply-To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> > >>> > Cc: <kitiluj@yahoo.com>; <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>;
>> > >>> > <denis.matanda@gmail.com
>> > >>> >;
>> > >>> > <kilodani@yahoo.com>; <bkashindye@yahoo.com>;
>> > >>> > <mosesgasana@yahoo.com>;
>> > >>> > <mngonge@gmail.com>; <rashidtz@hotmail.com>;
>> > >>> > <abdu_k@hotmail.com>;
>> > >>> > <amazrui@binghamton.edu>; <hamimaal@hotmail.com>;
>> > >>> > <ibrahimnoors@hotmail.com>; <saudabarwani@hotmail.com>;
>> > >>> > <abdalla@rz.uni-leipzig.de>; <mohammedkhelef@talk21.com>;
>> > >>> > <abdulaziz.lodhi@gmail.com>;
>> > >>> > <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
>> > >>> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Mobhare,
>> > >>> > Hiyo kaka, sikubaliani nayo. Mwenyewe nimesoma vitabu vya Shabaan
>> > >>> > Roberts na mara kwa mara ametumia 'Kiswahili yangu' .
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Hata hivyo, nipe maelezo zaidi.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Courage,
>> > >>> > Oduor Maurice
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > On 7/11/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Maurice,
>> > >>> >> Hapana. Hatuwezi kusema "Kiswahili yangu" bali ni "Kiswahili
>> > >>> >> changu,"
>> > >>> >> n.k.
>> > >>> >> kama Kiswahili chako na si Kiswahili yako.
>> > >>> >> Haya ni
>> > >  matokeo ya muundo utokanao na sauti na ndio muundo sahihi kwa
>> > >>> >> Kiswahili sanifu na hata kile cha asili cha lahaja za Pwani ya
>> > >>> >> Afrika
>> > >>> >> Mashariki.
>> > >>> >> Ukitaka maelezo zaidi nitakupa.
>> > >>> >> Matinyi.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:34:21 -0400
>> > >>> >>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KISWAHILI SANIFU
>> > >>> >>> From: mauricejoduor@gmail.com
>> > >>> >>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> > >>> >>> CC: kitiluj@yahoo.com; ngupula@yahoo.co.uk;
>> > >>> >>> denis.matanda@gmail.com;
>> > >>> >>> kilodani@yahoo.com; bkashindye@yahoo.com;
>> > >>> >>> mosesgasana@yahoo.com;
>> > >>> >>> mngonge@gmail.com; rashidtz@hotmail.com; abdu_k@hotmail.com;
>> > >>> >>> amazrui@binghamton.edu; hamimaal@hotmail.com;
>> > >>> >>> ibrahimnoors@hotmail.com
>> > >>> ;
>> > >>> >>> saudabarwani@hotmail.com; abdalla@rz.uni-leipzig.de;
>> > >>> >>> mohammedkhelef@talk21.com; abdulaziz.lodhi@gmail.com;
>> > >>> >>> progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Naomba
>> > >  nisahihishe:
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Si Kiswahili changu
>> > >>> >>> Ni Kiswahili yangu
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Courage,
>> > >>> >>> Oduor Maurice
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> On 7/10/12, Salim Himidi <bwanatosha@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > Bwana Mganga,
>> > >>> >>> > Kiswahili chako hakijapitwa, kwa "usanifu" uliosomeshwa.
>> > >>> >>> > Lakini kumbuka, kabla ya "kusanifishwa", Kiswahili kilikua na
>> > >>> >>> > "wenyewe",
>> > >>> >>> > yaani Waswahili.
>> > >>> >>> > Sijapata kujigamba kua ninachosema ni "kisanifu". Mimi ni
>> > >>> >>> > Mswahili
>> > >>> >>> > wa
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >  > mila na temedeni. Lugha ninayotumia ni ya muundo wa lahaja za
>> > >>> >>> > Waswahili wenyewe, yaani watu wa kingo za Pwani ya Afrika
>> > >>> >>> > Mashariki
>> > >>> >>> > (tokea Benadir/Somalia hadi Sofala/Mozambique) na makundi ya
>> > >>> >>> > visiwa
>> > >>> >>> > vyake.
>> > >>> >>> > -------
>> > >>> >>> > Na kwa kanuni za muundo-sauti ("morphophonology") wa lugha
>> > >>> >>> > hii,
>> > >>> >>> > SUNGURA wawili ... huweza pia kuhesabiwa kwa kalima la
>> > >>> >>> > MASUNGURA
>> > >>> >>> > WAWILI, kama ilivyo kwa RAIA na MARAIA, ASKARI na MAASKARI
>> > >>> >>> > n.k.
>> > >>> >>> > Lakini, kama usemavyo, kusema hivyo si "kisanifu", na mimi si
>> > >>> >>> > "msanifu"!
>> > >>> >>> > Upo hapo?
>> > >>> >>> > Bwanatosha
>> > >>> >>> > Paris, France.
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2012
>> > >  04:54:07 -0700
>> > >>> >>> > From: kitiluj@yahoo.com
>> > >>> >>> > Subject: RE: KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA/2-3-4-5-6
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > Mheshimiwa mataalam wetu, Salim himid. Kwa kiswahili sanifu
>> > >>> >>> > hakuna
>> > >>> >>> > wingi
>> > >>> >>> > wa
>> > >>> >>> > neno raia kwa kadri ya ufahamu mdogo nilio nao kuna maneno
>> > >>> >>> > ambayo
>> > >>> huwa
>> > >>> >>> > hayana wingi moja wapo ni raia.. Mheshimiwa labda kama
>> > >>> >>> > kiswahili
>> > >>> >>> > changu
>> > >>> >>> > kimepitwa na wakati kwa kuwa kiswahili kinakua. Nakutakia
>> > >>> >>> > siku
>> > >>> >>> > njemaJMKFJapan.
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > --- On Tue, 7/10/12, Salim Himidi <bwanatosha@hotmail.com>
>> > >>> >>> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > From: Salim Himidi <bwanatosha@hotmail.com>
>> > >>> >>> > Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2012, 6:34 AM
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > Mheshimiwa mtukufu Kitiluj,
>> > >>> >>> > Kwa kua unafahamu Kiswahili kuliko mimi, bora nikukumbushe
>> > >>> >>> > kua
>> > >>> >>> > iwapo RAIA ni "mtu ...", MARAIA ni "watu ...", yaani MARAIA
>> > >>> >>> > ni
>> > >>> >>> > "plural"
>> > >>> >>> > ya RAIA!
>> > >>> >>> > Au vipi?
>> > >>> >>> > Nitafurahi kusoma Kiswahili zia
da kwa MSAADA
>> > >  wako, mtandaoni.
>> > >>> >>> > Upo hapo?
>> > >>> >>> > Bwanatosha
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:44:02 -0700
>> > >>> >>> > From: kitiluj@yahoo.com
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > Hujamjibu bwna kaaya (RAIA nm 1 mtu mwenye haki za kisheria
>> > >>> >>> > kutokana
>> > >>> >>> > na
>> > >>> >>> > kuzaliwa au kujiandikisha katika taifa fulani na
>> > >>> >>> > zinazomwezesha kushiriki
>> > >>> >>> > katika shughuli zote za taifa hilo)
>> > >>> >>> > Je? Maraia ni kitu gani hicho. usiharibu kiswahili we.......
>> > >>> >>> > Siku njema
>> > >>> >>> > JMKF
>> > >>> >>> > Japan
>> > >>> >>> > On Mon, 7/9/12,
>> > >  Salim Himidi <bwanatosha@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > From: Salim Himidi <bwanatosha@hotmail.com>
>> > >>> >>> > Date: Monday, July 9, 2012, 9:51 PM
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > KAMUSI ya Kiswahili SANIFU/Toleo la Pili/Taasisi ya Uchunguzi
>> > >>> >>> > wa
>> > >>> >>> > Kiswahili,
>> > >>> >>> > Dar-es-Salam (Page 346),
>> > >>> >>> > latuambia:
>> > >>> >>> > RAIA nm 1 mtu mwenye haki za kisheria kutokana na kuzaliwa au
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >  kujiandikisha
>> > >>> >>> > katika taifa fulani na
>> > >>> >>> > zinazomwezesha kushiriki katika shughuli zote za taifa hilo. 2
>> > >>> >>> > mtu
>> > >>> >>> > asiyekuwa
>> > >>> >>> > askari.
>> > >>> >>> > Natumai umetosheka.
>> > >>> >>> > Kwani huna Kamusi nyumbani?
>> > >>> >>> > Una Dictionary tu?
>> > >>> >>> > Bwanatosha
>> > >>> >>> > P. S.
>> > >>> >>> > Tizama katika Dictionary, fasiri ya:
>> > >>> >>> > 1)-CITIZEN
>> > >>> >>> > 2)-CIVILIAN
>> > >>> >>> > -------
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >> From: kaayashilia@hotmail.com
>> > >>> >>> >> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:41:47 +0000
>> > >>>
>> > >  >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> Maraia maana yake nini? Wengine huenda Kiswahili kinatupiga
>> > >>> >>> >> chenga!
>> > >>> >>> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Vodacom
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> >>> >> From: Salim Himidi <bwanatosha@hotmail.com>
>> > >>> >>> >> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:07:59
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> Mwenzangu Mkatoliki,
>> > >>> >>> >> Tatizo liliopo hapa ni kuwa TAKWIMU RASMI, za Serikali,
>> > >>> >>> >> ndizo
>> > >>> >>> >> zinazosambaza
>> > >>> >>> >> sura hii, ambayo inakosolewa na wahusika.
>> > >>> >>> >> Dai, la taasisi
>> > >  husika, ni kuwa Serikali inasema UWONGO.
>> > >>> >>> >> Wao, kama nyinyi, wanazo taratibu zao za kujihisabu, ndio
>> > >>> >>> >> maana
>> > >>> >>> >> wanasema
>> > >>> >>> >> kuwa yanaosemwa na Serikali ni UZUUSHI wa Kanisa fulani,
>> > >>> >>> >> lenye
>> > >>> >>> >> mikakati
>> > >>> >>> >> ya
>> > >>> >>> >> kupotosha wananchi/maraia, pamoja na Ulimwengu kamili, kwa
>> > >>> >>> >> njama
>> > >>> >>> >> za
>> > >>> >>> >> kudhibiti
>> > >>> >>> >> amri za Dola na Vyombo Vinginevyo
>> > >>> >>> > Vya Serikali, kwa
>> > >>> >>> > "kuvihodhi", na "kukandamiza"
>> > >>> >>> >> maraia wenzao, kwa njama za UDINI. Na haya kusemeka,
>> > >>> >>> >> wahusika
>> > >>> >>> >> wameshafanya
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> hisabu zao, na wanaamini kuwa
>> > >  yanaochapishwa na Serikali, kwa
>> > >>> >>> >> kusalitiwa
>> > >>> >>> >> na Viongozi
>> > >>> >>> >> wa Kanisa hilo, ni DHULUMA kwao.
>> > >>> >>> >> Ufafanuzi ni wa Serikali tu!
>> > >>> >>> >> Serikali inawajibika kuwa "neutral" ndio maana ya "secular".
>> > >>> >>> >> Haiwezi kutumiwa na upande mmoja dhidi ya upande mwingine wa
>> > >>> >>> >> Umma,
>> > >>> wa
>> > >>> >>> >> Taifa la pamoja!
>> > >>> >>> >> Upo hapo?
>> > >>> >>> >> Bwanatosha
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> ----------------
>> > >>> >>> >> From: jmwanya@hotmail.com
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >  Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 16:43:35 +0000
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> Mh! Kweli hz hbr za udini naona kama zinatuelekeza korongoni.
>> > >>> >>> >> Kwa
>> > >>> >>> >> nini
>> > >>> >>> >> taasisi husika zisisimame zenyewe bila kuihusisha serikali?!
>> > >>> >>> >> Yaani
>> > >>> >>> >> waislamu wafanye sensa yao, RC wafanye yao, EAGT wafanye yao
>> > >>> >>> >> etc,
>> > >>> >>> >> etc.
>> > >>> >>> >> kama wanaona kuna issue! Mie ni mkatoliki, Jimbo kuu la Dsm,
>> > >>> >>> >> Parokia
>> > >>> >>> >> ya
>> > >>> >>> >> Kilungule, Kigango
>> > >>> >>> > cha Mt.Salome KANA, Jumuiya ya Mt. Salome. Kila mwaka
>> > >>> >>> > nimeshuhudia
>> > >>> >>> > viongozi
>> > >>> >>> > wetu wakifanya sensa kuanzia ngazi ya kaya, then jumuiya,
>> > >>> >>> > kigango,
>> > >>>
>> > >  >>> > parokia
>> > >>> >>> > mpaka ngazi ya Jimbo kiasi cha kuwa rahisi mno kupata idadi
>> > >>> >>> > ya
>> > >>> >>> > wakatoliki
>> > >>> >>> > ngazi ya familia, jumuiya, kigango, parokia hadi Jimbo.
>> > >>> >>> > Tuiache
>> > >>> >>> > serikali
>> > >>> >>> > ifanye sensa ya watu wote.
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> Napata kigugumizi kwa kweli!! Mungu tuepushe na kikombe hiki
>> > >>> >>> >> UDINI!
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> JM
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >> ----------------
>> > >>> >>> >> From: bwanatosha@hotmail.com
>> > >>> >>> >> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 01:15:53 +0000
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >  >>
>> > >>> >>> >> Suala hili lilianza kwa malumbano ya madai, ya baadhi ya watu
>> > >>> >>> >> na
>> > >>> >>> >> taasisi
>> > >>> >>> >> za kiraia, wenye kutaka
>> > >>> >>> >> Serikali ikubali kutia kipengele cha DINI GANI, katika fomu
>> > >>> >>> >> za
>> > >>> >>> >> SENSA
>> > >>> >>> >> ijao,
>> > >>> >>> >> kutokana na kile kinacho
>> > >>> >>> >> onekana kuwa ni UWONGO RASMI wa J. K. Nyerere, na washiriki
>> > >>> >>> >> wake
>> > >>> >>> >> wa
>> > >>> >>> >> CHAMA
>> > >>> >>> >> TAWALA, pale
>> > >>> >>> >> walipoamua kutokuuliza suala hili, baada ya takwimu za 1957,
>> > >>> >>> > na kuamua, baadae, kuandika katika
>> > >>> >>> >> maandishi rasmi, kuwa, dini za Tanzania hugawika kwa namna
>> > >>> ifuatavyo:
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >  >> 33% Wakristo
>> > >>> >>> >> 31% Waisilamu
>> > >>> >>> >> 32% Wapagani
>> > >>> >>> >> 04% "Wengine"
>> > >>> >>> >> Na kwamba haya yanaosemwa kua ni UWONGO.
>> > >>> >>> >> Na chanzo ni KANISA LA KIKATOLIKI, kwa nyenzo za waongozi
>> > >>> >>> >> wake,
>> > >>> >>> >> kutaka
>> > >>> >>> >> "kuhodhi" Tanzania,
>> > >>> >>> >> kupitia nyanja na daraja nyeti zote za Serikali na Taifa,
>> > >>> >>> >> kwa
>> > >>> >>> >> kubana
>> > >>> >>> >> na
>> > >>> >>> >> "kudhulumu" Waisilamu.
>> > >>> >>> >> Sasa, suala ni hili: TUFANYEJE?
>> > >>> >>> >> Serikali inawajibika kubuni njia ya KUSAHIHISHA haya, au
>> > >>> >>> >> kuchanua
>> > >>> >>> >> UZUSHI
>> > >>> >>> >> wa wanaoyasema!
>> > >>> >>> >> Jawabu na ya
>> > >  Serikali, sio sisi maraia, tunao "chochea", ili tujue
>> > >>> ya
>> > >>> >>> >> KWELI na ya UWONGO!
>> > >>> >>> >> Mpo hapo?
>> > >>> >>> >> Bwanatosha
>> > >>> >>> >> +33-6-33071051.
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> From: rashid martin <rashidtz@hotmail.com
>> > >>> >>> >> <mailto:rashidtz@hotmail.com>
>> > >>> >>> >> >
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012
>> > >>> >>> > 21:49:00 +0300
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >> Lyimo naomba nikupe maana ya neno KAFIR
>> > >>> >>> >> ni neno la kiarabu
>> > >  kiswahili-----mpingaji
>> > >>> >>> >> kingereza-----protestant
>> > >>> >>> >> nashangaa kunawatu wanajita madehehebu yao kuwa ni
>> > >>> >>> >> protestants
>> > >>> >>> >> yaani
>> > >>> >>> >> wapingaji na pia yaani makafir
>> > >>> >>> >> neno hili linatumiwa vibaya na waislamu walio wengi kwani ni
>> > >>> >>> >> Mungu
>> > >>> >>> >> pekee
>> > >>> >>> >> anaejua nani kafir na nani sio
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> ----------------
>> > >>> >>> >> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 10:40:58 -0700
>> > >>> >>> >> From: abachamani@yahoo.com <mailto:abachamani@yahoo.com>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> We Lyimo,
>> > >>> >>> >> Kwani mfumo mbadala wa mfumo kristo ni upi katika nchi
>> > >>> >>> >> isiyokuwa
>> > >>> >>> >> na
>> > >>> >>> >> dini
>> > >>> >>> >> mbona mnapenda kupotosha? Kuna sehemu Mzee Mohamed kasema
>> > >>> >>> >> hayo au
>> > >>> >>> >> anadai
>> > >>> >>> > hayo?
>> > >>> >>> >> Kwani Jumapili ikiwa siku ya kazi pana ubaya gani na Ijumaa
>> > >>> ikaendele
>> > >>> >>> >> kuwa
>> > >>> >>> >> siku ya kazi?
>> > >>> >>> >> Kumbuka madai ya Waswahili siyo hayo mnapotosha
>> > >>> >>> >> kusudi.Waswahili
>> > >>> >>> >> kwamfano
>> > >>> >>> >> wanataka japo masaa 2 tu
>> > >  Ijumaa wakasali basi lakini nyinyi muda
>> > >>> >>> >> huu
>> > >>> >>> >> ndiyo
>> > >>> >>> >> mnapanga vikao.Kumbuka kwa imani ya Waswahili hawana Sabato
>> > >>> >>> >> kwa
>> > >>> >>> >> hiyo
>> > >>> >>> >> anayesema habari ya Ijumaa ana lake.
>> > >>> >>> >> Unamalizia kuwa nchi yetu haina dini nawe unaamini hivyo.
>> > >>> >>> >> Nami nakukubalia kweli nchi yetu HAINA DINI YA KISWAHILI ILA
>> > >>> >>> >> INA
>> > >>> DINI
>> > >>> >>> >> YENU
>> > >>> >>> >> na huo ndiyo mfumo tunaouzungumza.MFUMO KRISTO.
>> > >>> >>> >> Walewale.
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> From: mohamed
>> > >>> >>> > said <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com
>> > >  <mailto:mohamedsaid54@gmail.com> >
>> > >>> >>> >> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:15:46 +0300
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> Amani ni kudumisha haki na uadilifu.
>> > >>> >>> >> Haiwi Kanisa likahodhi fursa zote wakatuwekea walevi katika
>> > >>> >>> >> Baraza
>> > >>> la
>> > >>> >>> >> Mitihani na kwengineko wanadhulumu na kuwahujumu Waislam
>> > >>> >>> >> sisi
>> > >>> >>> >> tukamsikiza
>> > >>> >>> >> mtu anatuhubiria amani.
>> > >>> >>> >> Huko ni kupoteza muda.
>> > >>> >>> >> Amani ahubiriwe dhalimu.
>> > >>> >>> >> M
>> > >>> >>> >> On Jul 2, 2012 11:08 PM, "Bariki Mwasaga"
>> > >>> >>> >> <bmwasaga@gmail.com
>> > >>>
>> > >  >>> >> <mailto:bmwasaga@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >> Kiu yangu kila mmoja aishi kwa amani na kama kuna njia bora
>> > >>> >>> >> ya
>> > >>> >>> >> kuwafanya
>> > >>> >>> >> watu wawe na Amani basi tuitumie vyema
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> On 2 July 2012 23:02, mohamed said <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com
>> > >>> >>> >> <mailto:mohamedsaid54@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> Ahsante sana ndugu yangu.
>> > >>> >>> >> Ni wajibu wetu kuwafahamisha ukweli kuwa Waislam
>> > >  wanadhulumiwa na
>> > >>> >>> >> serikali
>> > >>> >>> >> ambayo imehoodhiwa na Kanisa
>> > >>> >>> > Katoliki.
>> > >>> >>> >> Hili hatulifichi Waislam wote kwa sasa wanalijua na ndiyo
>> > >>> >>> >> sababu
>> > >>> >>> >> leo
>> > >>> >>> >> unaona uongozi wa Waislam uko nje ya mikono ya BAKWATA na
>> > >>> >>> >> leo
>> > >>> Waislam
>> > >>> >>> >> wanaongozwa na viongozi ambao hata serikali hawawajui.
>> > >>> >>> >> Imetuchukua miaka mingi kufikia hapa.
>> > >>> >>> >> M
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> On Jul 2, 2012 10:58 PM, "Bariki Mwasaga"
>> > >>> >>> >> <bmwasaga@gmail.com
>> > >>> >>> >> <mailto:bmwasaga@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >> Mzee(Sheikh) Mohamed Said. you have my support. Keep on
>> > >>> >>> >> fighting
>> > >>> >>> >> for
>> > >>> >>> >> your
>> > >>> >>> >> rights. Hata mimi nafikiri ningekuwa kwenye viatu vyako
>> > >>> >>> >> ningekuwa
>> > >>> >>> >> labda
>> > >>> >>> >> kama wewe....Endeleza mapambano hadi kieleweke. Usikate
>> > >>> >>> >> tamaa.
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> On 2 July 2012 19:34, mohamed said <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com
>> > >>> >>> >> <mailto:mohamedsaid54@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >  >> Haiwezekani babu yangu apiganie uhuru wa nchi hii kisha mie nije
>> > >>> >>> >> nibomoe.
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> Ahsante ya babu yangu na wenzake wengi walopambana na
>> > >>> >>> >> ukoloni
>> > >>> ilikuwa
>> > >>> >>> >> kutupwa gerezani na Nyerere na
>> > >>> >>> > majina yao kuondolewa katika historia.
>> > >>> >>> >> M
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> On 2 Jul 2012 17:01, "mohamed said" <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com
>> > >>> >>> >> <mailto:mohamedsaid54@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >> Indeed it is a waste of time.
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> That is
>> > >  why we went out on a nationwide campaign to alert Muslims
>> > >>> >>> >> on
>> > >>> >>> >> Mfumo Kristo.
>> > >>> >>> >> If the government was deaf let us speak to the umma.
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> M
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:04 PM, method francis ngonge
>> > >>> >>> >> > <mngonge@gmail.com <mailto:mngonge@gmail.com> >wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >> >
>> > >>> >>> >> >> Mr Mohamed Said
>> > >>> >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >>> > Please note that I am not after protecting any kind of evils
>> > >  being
>> > >>> >>> > done
>> > >>> >>> >> >> by
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> government officials nor I am saying the government is
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> clean.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> No
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> no
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> no,
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> what I am trying to reveal is that we should not think
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> that
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> our
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> problems
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> are just a result of religious discriminations. Do you
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> want
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> to
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> tell
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> us
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> that
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> all christians are being favoured by the current system?
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >  >>> neither
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> all
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> muslims are unfavoured by the system. Therefore it is not
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> a
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> matter
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> of
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> being
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> a muslim or christian but a struggle between the haves
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> and
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> have
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> not.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> Let
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> us
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> join hands for the better struggle
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:43 PM, mohamed said
>> > >>> >>> >> >> <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com <mailto:mohamedsaid54@gmail.com>
>> > >>> >>> > >wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> No it is not ability.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> If you were in our shoes you would have understood our
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> predicament.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> NECTA NECTA NECTA...
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> We are not joking.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>> M
>> > >>> >>> > .......
>> > >>>
>> > >  >>> >> >>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Asanterabi Sang'enoi <
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>> asangenoi@yahoo.com <mailto:asangenoi@yahoo.com> >
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> > >>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Watu wanaoendekeza udini ni wa hatari sana. Wanataka
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> kuwagawa
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> watanzania kwa misingi tu ya dini ambayo kila mtu
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> aliipokea
>> > >>> kwa
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> matakwa
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> yake mwenyewe. Kwani Waislamu wakiwa
>> > >  wengi au wakristo au
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> wapagani
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> kuna
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> tatizo gani? Mie najua kuwa kwa kanisa wajibu iliyopewa
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> ni
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> kuhubiri
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> injili
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> ili watu wengi wamwamini Yesu hivyo kadri wanavyofanya
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> bidii
>> > >>> ya
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> kuhubiri
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> ndivyo na idadi inavyoongezeka. Sijajua dini nyingine
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> kama
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> na
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> wenyewe
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> wanahubiri habari za dini zao ili waongezeke au
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> wanategemea
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >  >>>>> tu
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> kuzaana.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Pia
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> kama kila dini ina taratibu zake
>> > >>> >>> > kwanini wengine wanataka kuiingiza
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Serikali kwenye mambo ya dini ilhali Katiba imeshasema
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> kuwa
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Tanzania
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> ni
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> nchi isiyofuata dini yoyote (Secular state) ila
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> wananchi
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> wana
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> uhuru
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> kufuata
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> dini yoyote? Kwanini tusiuheshimu huo uhuru wa kuabudu
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> na
>> > >>>
>> > >  >>> >> >>>>> kuiacha
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Serikali
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> ifanye kazi zake badala ya kuisumbua kila wakati kwa
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> masuala
>> > >>> ya
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> dini
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> isiyohusika nayo?
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> *From:* Emma Kaaya
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> "In the 1957 census Muslims outnumbered Christians at
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> a
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> ratio
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> of
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> three
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >  >>>>> to two.[1] Ten years after
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> in 1967, in the post independence census Muslims were
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> 30%,
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Christians
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> 32
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> and local belief 37%. Reasons were not given for this
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> sudden
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> decrease
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> of
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Muslims or the growth of pagans. It is on record that
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> the
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> 1967
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> statistics
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> were doctored to show that Muslims were trailing
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> behind
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Christians
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >  >> >>>>> in
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> numerical strength. It is
>> > >>> >>> > worthwhile to quote in full a letter by one
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Amiri
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Mchomvu which appeared in the *Family Mirror* about
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> the
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> 1967
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> census:
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Last month I chanced to come across Africa Information
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Newsletter,
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> (September 26, 1994 issue) in which there was an
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> article on
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Tanzania
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> titled: Islamic fundamentalism worries the government.
>> > >>>
>> > >  >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> I found the article by a renewed Tanzanian journalist,
>> > >>> Lawrence
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Kilimwiko to be very anti-Islam. Besides, Mr.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Kilimwiko
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> says
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> that
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> about
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> 40%
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> of Tanzanians are Christians and 30% Muslims. I think
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> that
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> is
>> > >>> a
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> statistical
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> error.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> > During the 1967 Population Census, the
>> > >  first census since
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> independence,
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> I was one of the census enumerators in Tabora Region.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> It is
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> believed
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> that
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> this was the only successful of the population census
>> > >>> conducted
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> since
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> independence (i.e. 1967, 1978 and 1988) as it was
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> wholly
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> conducted
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> by
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> the
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> form V students. Corruption, embezzlement, etc. of
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> census
>> > >>> funds
>> > >>>
>> > >  >>> >> >>>>> and
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> other
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> administrative vices that plagued the last two census
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> (1978
>> > >>> and
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> 1988)
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> were
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> things unknown at that time.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> It was the only census which had probed Tanzanians'
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> religious
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> adherence. I clearly remember
>> > >>> >>> > the bulky questionnaire form, one
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> question of
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> which asked the persons'
>> > >  religion, whether he was Christian,
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Muslim,
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Other
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> (e.g. Hindu, Budhist etc.) or traditional, e.g. pagan.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> I also remember the census results; published by the
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> then
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Tanganyika
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Standard late that year 1967 (I have forgotten the date
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> of
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> the
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> issue)
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> in
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> which it was shown that Muslim constituted 63% of the
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >  population.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Now whoever thinks that such verdict is not correct I
>> > >>> challenge
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> him/her
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> to substantiate otherwise with official results of the
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> 1967
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Census
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> if
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> they
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> > at all can get hold of them."
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> ------------------------------
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> [1] *Africa South of the Sahara*, Europa
>> > >  Publication,
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> London,
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> No.
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> 20
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> 1991, p. 1027.
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM, mohamed said
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> <mailto:mohamedsaid54@gmail.com>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> > wrote:
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Wanabidii,
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >  >> >>>>> Hebu tustaladhi na haya katika attach.
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> >>>>> Mohamed Said
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> >> --
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> >
>> > >>> >>> > --
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