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--- On Tue, 6/18/13, Emmanuel Muganda <emuganda@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Emmanuel Muganda <emuganda@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Kikwete in Trouble Over FDLR, but Does He Really Understand Who They Are?
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2013, 2:36 PM
Elisa, Sahihisho. M23 ni Wakongomani. Hawa walitoroka kutoka jeshi la Kabila. Sijasikia FDLR wakikana lengo lao la kuwateketeza watusi. Huwezi kufanya mazungumzo na mtu anayetaka kukutokomeza. Haiwezekani. em 2013/6/18 ELISA MUHINGO <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com> EM Ndiyomaana tunataka wanyarwanda wakae pamoja waongee kuhusu ugomvi wao. FDLR ni wanyarwanda kama RPF Tena na M23 nao ni wnanyarwanda waliotengenezwa kuisumbua DRC na Rwanda ya Kagame inahimiza mazungumzo ya wanyarwanda wa M23 na wakongo. Alistahili kwa hiyo kumuelewa JK. kwa sababu wanyarwanda ni jirani zetu na wakigombana tunadhurika nasi tunawashauri waongee. Ni ndugu hao Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2013, 1:00 PM Zephaniah, Ushauri mzuri. Lakini Rwanda ni jirani yetu. Yanayotokea kule kwa hali moja au nyingine yatatugusa. em 2013/6/18 Zephaniah Mugittu <zephymugittu@yahoo.co.uk> Nawashauri tutumie muda wetu huu vyema kujadili mambo yetu ya ndani (Watanzania) kuliko haka kamchezo ka kujadili mambo yasiyo na msingi na WALA hayana mchango wa moja kwa moja kuleta maendeleo yetu hasa in relation to kiwango cha uchumi tulionao... Ni viubishi visivyo na maana hata kidogo kwani mtu kumshauri mwenzake ni jambo la ajabu...hata hao Waisrael wanaweza kushauriwa tu kama alivyofanya kwa Rwanda... KUSHINDWA KUJADILI PIA NI DALILI ZA KUJIONA WAJUA KULIKO WENGINE... KITU AMBACHO SI KILA WAKATI NI KWELI... si kila wakati ubabe unafanyakazi legeza mwili na akili vitu vitafunguka tuuuu HATA HUMU NDANI KWETU TUKIKWEPA MIJADALA NA TUNAOTOFAUTIANA MITAZAMO MF CCM na WAPINZANI tunakoelekea ni kubaya... Kikwete nawe kaa chini na wenzako mmalize matatizo ya ndani kwako kwani ni kuchafu saanaa. Na ktk hili ndilo linifanyalo nisikipende kiCCM mpk kesho nao wanadhani eti waliubwa kukaa madarakani milele... wakati umefika wa anguko lazima waanguke wasitumie UBABE kutaka kuenbdelea kutaka kiubaki madarakani...
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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Kikwete in Trouble Over FDLR, but Does He Really Understand Who They Are?
Nanyoro, You have made a few points though a wrong route. That same moral authority (if any) should be used to sit down with the opposition in our country. This is especially important as we are in the process of regaining our sovereignty as a country, Tanganyika (Draft Union Constitution). I trust this is what Mwalimu says.
Kwa kweli Ezekiel umenisaidia. Nilikuwa pembeni nasoma maandishi ya mwalimu nayaongea na mmoja wa wanafunzi wake kuwa mwalimu waku huyu Kikweta akisema leo ni jumannd mwali mu huyu atapinga. Ndipo nikaiona ii post yako. Umenipa njia
--- On Tue, 6/18/13, ezekiel kunyaranyara <ekunyaranyara@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: ezekiel kunyaranyara <ekunyaranyara@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Kikwete in Trouble Over FDLR, but Does He Really Understand Who They Are?
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>, "emuganda@gmail.com" <emuganda@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2013, 5:08 AM
| EM Achana na Mwalimu ana frustrations zake huyo asije akakuambukiza. Postings zake tunapita tu. Tunasubiri apate madaraka uone jinsi atakavyopukutisha wapinzani wake kama mtu anapopoa matunda. Anavisasi huyo... we subiri utaona siku wakikamata madaraka. Omba isitokee ukiwa hai utachoka kabisa. Katika hoja hii wananchi wazalendo wanaoipenda nchi hii tuko pamoja na rais wetu, come what may.... Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android | Umenena, Mwalimu Lwaitama.
Ubarikiwe.
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2013/6/18 Azaveli Lwaitama <kerezesia_mukalugaisa@hotmail.com> Nawasikitikia Watanzania wanaojitokeza kumtetea Rais wao eti kwa vile ni Rais wao kuhusu ili swala. Je wamekaa nakutafakari kwa kina sababu za Rais wao JK kutoa matamshi aliyo yatoa kwa njia aliyo yatoa? Je ikiwa aliyatoa matamshi hayo kuwafurahisha Wafaransa wenye visa na Kagame bado utetezi wa Rais wao mpendwa bado upo pale pale tu basi? Au na wao kama wale akina Savimbi wa Rwanda wanaoongoza kikundi cha FDLR na wao wanamchukia Kagame kwa sababu zao nyingine na ili linawazuia kuchunguza sababu za Rais wao kutumiwa na Wafarasa kusema mambo yasiyo na mantiki ya eti kwa vile Al Qaida wanazungumza na Marekani! Wapi bwana , kama Wamerekani wangekuwa wanataka kuzungumza na Al Qaida wangemuua Bin Laden kinyama huku Rais wao akiishuhudia kwenye video kama vile ilikuwa horror movie? Wamarekani wanazungumza na viongozi wa kijadi wa Talaban na si eti Al Qaida! Yaani Watanzania wanachotwa kirahisi na matamshi ya viongozi wa serikali ambayo askari wake wa FFU sasa anatuumiwa kutupa bomu katikati ya umati wa watu waliohudhuria mkutano wa Chadema kwa lengo la kuua Mwenyekiti wa Chama hicho, yaani Mh Mbowe? Yaani viongozi wa serikali inayofuga watesaji wa Dr Ulimboka na wauwaji wa David Mwangosi, wanayo eti huruma sana kwa wana wa FDLR huko Congo wanaouliwa na eti utawala wa kidikteta wa Kagame? Come on, give me a break!! Mwl.Lwaitama
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 17:38:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Kikwete in Trouble Over FDLR, but Does He Really Understand Who They Are?
From: emuganda@gmail.comTo: wanabidii@googlegroups.com Elisa, Iweje FDLR leo wawe credible source? Mauaji waliyoyafanya wao hatukuambiwa na Kagame. Ulimwengu wote uliona kwa macho yao. Ndio maana nimesema sijawahi kusikia "organized homicide" iliyofanywa na Kagame. Of course FDLR watajitetea kuwa wao waliua kwa sababu waliuawa kwanza. But where and when? em 2013/6/17 ELISA MUHINGO <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com> | Ukitaka kujua kuwa na Kagame alifanya organised homicide wasikilizwe FDLR. ndicho Kagame anachokwepa. Tuna mengi hatuyajui tutayajua wakati wa mazungumzo. haya tunayoyajua mengine ni kwa sababu Kagame yuko madarakani na FDLR wako msituni. Waziri wa Mambo ya nje wa Rwanda alisema Kikwete aombe msamaha si Kagame. Huo ndio msimamo wa Kagame ndiyo maana hakukanusha. Yeyote kati yao akisema tunasema Rwanda imesema. Date: Monday, June 17, 2013, 2:09 PM Elisa, Sina habari kuwa Kagame alifanya "organised homicide" dhidi ya Wahutu kama vile serikali ya Rwanda ilivyo organize interahamwe, kuwapa mafunzo, na kuwahamasisha kwa redio kuua inyenzi. Kama Kagame naye, kama serikali ya Wahutu, aliandalia mauaji hayo unayoyasema, pia alaaniwe. By the way, sijasikia Kagame akisema kuwa anasubri kuombwa msamaha na Kikwete. Hilo lilikuwa ni tamshi la waziri wake wa mambo ya nje nadhani. em On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 5:04 PM, ELISA MUHINGO <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com> wrote: | Kagame yeye ameishasamehewa makosa ya mauaji aliyoyafanya kwa wahutu? Muganda jibu hako. Kwa nini tunambembeleza Kagame kwani aliowaua walikuwa wamehukumiwa na mahakama ili uuaji wake uhalalishwe? Kwanini wasisikilizwe FDLR ili upande mweusi wa Kagame ukajulikana? Wacha amabnwe mbavu kwanza itajulikana. Akarorome na kusubiri kuombwa msamaha na Kikwete na FDLR lakini wataomba msamaha warithi wake na watamuomba Msamaha Kikwete na kumuomba awafafanulie na kuwa saidia kuongea na FDLR. Wakati huo JK atakuwa kishauacha urais wa Tz kwa amani
From: Emmanuel Muganda <emuganda@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Kikwete in Trouble Over FDLR, but Does He Really Understand Who They Are?
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, June 17, 2013, 1:54 PM Nyaronyo, Marekani haizungumzi na Al Qaida, isipokuwa kama kwako kuzungumza ni kuwatumia drones kuwaripua. Marekani inazungumza au itazungumza na Taleban kwa sababu Karzai, kama alivyo Kabila wa Congo, ameshindwa kuunda jeshi lake na anataka Marekani impiganie yeye akiendelea kuvaa suti za kisasa na kukaa kwenye majengo yenye kiyoyozi cha baridi muruwa. Marekani inatafuta njia ya kuondoa jeshi lake Afghanistan "with honour." Kagame alishatoa msamaha kwa Wanyarwanda walioshiriki katika mauaji ya 1994. Kuna ambao wamerudi na kusamehewa chini ya mfumo wa gacaca. Wale wote waliokataa kurudi hawaitaki status quo, wanataka kurejesha utawala wa kiinterahamwe, na hapo ndipo Kikwete alipobugi, your support notwithstanding. em On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 4:12 PM, nyaronyo kicheere <kicheere@yahoo.com> wrote: bandugu; att. masanja; iam sorry to say this, i mean i am sorry to support jakaya kikwete, so sorry, but i have to do it because you are lying! 1. wamerekani wanazungumza na al qaeda sasa hivi na ndicho chanzo cha kutofautiana na karzai, yeye akihofia watamsaidilaini katika mazungumzo hayo. 2. israel inawawinda manazi walioshiriki kutesa na kuua wayahudi si kila mtu mnazi aliyeshiriki vita kuu ya pili ya dunia upande wa hitler 3. tofauti na manazi wanaowindwa na israel rwanda inakataa kukaa meza moja na jeshi lote la fdrl! kwani jeshi lote la fdrl lilishiriki mauaji ya 1994? 4. you guys wakati mwingine tutumie hekima, kwani ni kila askari wa tanzania aliyekwenda uganda aliua mganda? nauliza ni kila askari wa fdrl aliua? 5. kama hivyo sivyo kwa nini rwanda ikatae kuzungumza na woote?
6. tutumie vichwa vyetu pia, askari wa fdrl walikuwa na umri wa wastani wa miaka mingapi 1994? je hawajazeeka? je watoto wao walijiunga na jeshi gani? je hata watoto wao ambao walikuwa wadogo 1994 na leo ni wakubwa na pengine wamepata ukamanda nao tusijadiliane nao kwa sababu ni watoto wa fdrl walioua 1994? nonsensical; nasema ni upuuzi kwa rwanda, ni upuuzi kwa kagame, ni upuuzi kwa yeyote anayesapoti hoja kama hiyo eti mtu akifanya kosa kubwa kama la genocide hakuna kuzungmza naye, watoto wake na yeyote aliyekuwa naye pamoja hata kama hao walikokuwa naye hawakushiriki mauaji!
7. nawaomba mnaomchukia kikwete kwa sababu ambazo ni dhahiri mkubali pale anapopatia jambo hata kama ni dogo au halina manufaa ya moja kwa moja kwenu
8. mimi nasema na kusisitiza HAKUNA KUOMBA MSAMAHA KWA KAGAME AU KWA RWANDA AU KWA MTUSI YEYOTE YULE give credit where it is due. mkwere angalau kwa hili moja has made me proud. rwanda na kagame hawawezi kukaa miaka nenda rudi hawazungumzi na fdrl huku fdrl wanazaa huko congo na watusi wa kagame wanazaa huko rwanda na mwiko unabaki pale pale hakuna kuzungumza kana kwamba hawa wa leo ndio wale waliouana 1994 mbona kagame hajahukumiwa kwa ushiriki wake katika genocide ile???????????????????? kicheere, tungi, kigamboni, tanganyika territory - hq dodoma
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Kikwete in Trouble Over FDLR, but Does He Really Understand Who They Are?
Elisa, Naomba kutofautiana na wewe. Mauaji ya Rwanda yalianza miezi mingi hata kabla ya kutunguliwa kwa ndege ya marais wa Rwanda na Burundi. Nakumbuka hata wakati majadiliano ya Rwanda yalipokuwa yakiendelea Tanzania chini ya rais Mwinyi, Mwalimu Nyerere alimtumia ujumbe Mwinyi amseme rais wa Rwanda juu ya mauaji yaliyokuwa yanafanyika Kigali wakati huo ambapo mazungumzo yalikuwa yanafanyika. Kufikia wakati ndege ya rais wa Rwanda inatunguliwa (naamini kitendo hicho kilifanywa na hardliners katika jeshi lake ambao walikuwa hawataki kusikia makubaliano yoyote na RPF) usiku huo huo mauaji yalisambaa. Hayakuwa random. Yalipangwa. em On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:18 AM, ELISA MUHINGO <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com> wrote: | Masanja. Wacha ukandamizaji hapa. Mauaji ya Rwanda 1994 HAYAKUANZA KWA MAUAJI YA WATUTSI. yALIANZA KWA MAUAJI YA mARAIS WAWILI WA rWANBDA NA bURUNDI. Huwezi kuanzia katikati ukaelewa chapter ya kitabu. Anzia Mwanzao. Kukundi cha kigaidi kikiitwa RPF kilikuwa kinapigana Rwanda kikitokea Uganda. Serikasli ya Rwanda chini ya Habyalimana ilikubaliana kuongea nacho. kwanini baada ya kikundi chenyewe kuindia madarakani kisikubali kuongea na kikundi kingine. Nakumbuka zamani fulani Rais El Nimeri wa Sudani aliwahi kukemea mapinduzi ya kijeshi. Nyerere alimshangaa kwa sababu yeye aliingia kwa mapinduzi. Iwe Kikwete ameongea na FDLR au hakuongea nao pendekezo lake ni valid. Watanzania tusipoungana nyuma ya Rais Kikwete katika hili tutakuwa wa ajabu La msingi t8usianzie katikati tuanze mwanzo mauaji ya Rwanda ya 1994 hayakuanza kwa mauaji ya watutsi ila kwa mauaji ya Marais wawili. Nani aliyewaua? Ni mazungumzio ya RPF na FDLR (wote wanyarwanda) ndiyo yataweza kuonyesha ukweli. Bila hilo mnaendeleea kumsikiliza muuaji mmoja tu na anawazubaisha msimsikilize muuaji mwenzake --- On Mon, 6/17/13, Albert Masanja <albertmasanja@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Albert Masanja <albertmasanja@gmail.com>
Subject: [wanabidii] Re: Kikwete in Trouble Over FDLR, but Does He Really Understand Who They Are?
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, June 17, 2013, 6:44 AM I concur with Frederick Golooba-Mutebi ideas. Let me put this way: When did President Kikwete received a request from FDLR to negotiate with Rwanda? The answer to this question is simple: Kikwete visited France this year and as evidence that he was told to forward the idea (as France is well established of its accomplice role in 1994 genocide in Rwanda), the Radio France Internationale (RFI) asked President Kikwete after a summit. This means that they already knew what Kikwete stated in the summit or in other words, they wanted to confirm if he said what he was supposed to say. Rwanda as an independent country has refused Kikwete's uninvited advise. Why in the hell does Kikwete thru Membe insist??!! I was discussing with a group of people. We come to agree that, Rwanda as our neighbour deserves respect especially when it comes to what happened in their country in 1994. Tanzania has no moral authority to tell Rwanda to talk to the same group of people who still have such ideology of coming back to finish unfinished business, that is killing the remaining Tutsis. We came to conclusion that, if President Kikwete would have told Israel to talk to Nazis as they have been looking for them for the past 60 years, we would be sure that despite having security personnel to protect him, he would have died by now. second, if he will tells President Obama to talk to Al-Qaeeda as they have been fighting them for more than 20 years without a win then, we can say that there is no double standard in handling terrorists.
Moreover, it is clear that he is now looking for SADC support though they (SADC) didn't tell him to give such a statement. Surprising, the SADC is trapped in Kikwete's statement. As a regional block, it is not supposed to discuss non-member state. They would have either invited non-member or they engage the non-member diplomatically. SADC approach is bad precedence to other regional groupings as it will open uncalled interference in groupings hence threatening sovereign decisions. -- Send Emails to wanabidii@googlegroups.com Kujiondoa Tuma Email kwenda wanabidii+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com Utapata Email ya kudhibitisha ukishatuma Disclaimer: Everyone posting to this Forum bears the sole responsibility for any legal consequences of his or her postings, and hence statements and facts must be presented responsibly. Your continued membership signifies that you agree to this disclaimer and pledge to abide by our Rules and Guidelines. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Wanabidii" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to wanabidii+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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