Ni kama wajerumani na Mwarabu walipogawana 10 miles coastal strip kuwa atatawala Sultan wa ZNZ huku bara. Ina maana wakazi wa bara wasingevua samaki kwa kutokana na mpaka waliowekeana watawala. lakini bahari ilikuwepo toka ulimwengu ulipoundwa na watu wakivua huko na kufanya shughuli nyingine hata mitambiko katika bahari, maziwa na mito pwani na bara. Utakuta huko baadhi ya wavuvi vyombo vyao vilizama baharini au ziwani wataletwa toka nchi moja kuja nyingine wasijue pa kurudia. Wakakaa huku wakaishi porini, wakagundulika na kusaidiwa na waliowaokota wakaamua kuishi bongo hadi leo. Kuja kujua kwao ni miaka mingi baadae kwenda kutembea na wamezoea bongo basi tena wanakaa. Na hao aidha waliopelekwa pande moja na wakoloni kikazi na huku wana ndugu zao wanavua dagaa ziwa nyasa lenye mikondo ya kuhamahama. Na huko Ruvuma mpaka na Mozambique ambako wanavuka huku na kwenda kule na kurudi?
Inaonekana TZ itapata tabu sana ikiwa msuguano wa mipaka utakuwa issue maana pande zote kuna flow resources-yaani mito, maziwa na bahari-Lake victoria (lake Nyanza), lake Tanzanyika, Lake Nyasa, Rukwa, Natron, Mto Ruvuma, Indian Ocean na Mito Mingine-Kagera etc. kama sijasahau geographia. Bado vagi la mlima kilimanjaro halijaanza nalo na Mto Mara ambapo mwingine anataka kupump maji ya kunywa na ya umeme na mwingine hataki hivyo maana utakauka na kuleta madhara na uchafunzi wa vyanzo hivyo ambavyo vinategemewa kwa kunywa pia.
Bado yapo mengi yaangaliwe kwa sasa maana chokochoko zimeanza pande moja budi kuangalia na hizi nyingine kwa pamoja. Kama vile ilivyoanzishwa Nile Basin Initiative (kwa ajili ya mto nile na lake victoria) wafanye hivyo kwa maziwa mengine na mito tunayochangia. Maana Egypt nayo ikidai mto Nile ni wake bila kujali unatoka wapi, chanzo chake na unapitia nchi zipi. Kujidai kwao umiliki waliopewa na mwingereza etc kukawa finyu maana mto unaanzia nchi nyingine sio kwao. NBI na kufungua ofisi za ushirika huo, kuhusisha Governments za nchi husika pamoja na NGOs, CBOs na wananchi katika uhifadhi kumesaidia. Ukijidai mbabe na una flow resource isiyojua mipaka, utaumia wewe.
From: Willy Makundi <wrlmakundi@aol.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2012, 10:46
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2012, 10:46
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
Ndugu Matinyi, let Mr Banda and all Malawians know that the world did not begin in 1890, neither is a Treaty between two robbers a definitive word on the rights of the robbed. Could anyone tell me how the life of the people on the eastern shore changed the day after Germany and United Kingdom signed this treaty divvying up spheres of influence. Was there a single fisherman who stopped fishing or a swimmer who applied for a visa to take a dip in the lake?
This treaty can NOT and SHOULD NOT bind owners of the rights to the lake prior to the treaty, unless one shows me where the Wamandas, Nyakyusas, Matengos, Wanyasa signed off their rights to their water, fish and lake resources. Lets not be ridiculous. Tanzania should make it very clear that the riparian rights of the people around lake Malawi/Nyasa have never been up for negotiation neither interrupted for a thousand years before Kaiser and the King came up with the idea of sphere of influence - what ever that means. Sphere of influence za wazungu inahusianaje na mbasa za Wanyakyusa?
A Mmanda shall never ever need a visa to go fetch drinking water from a Lake whose main inlet for the northern waters is from rivers like Songwe flowing from Tanzania. The Malawians and the world should know that we will defend our riparian rights with whatever means necessary and that there shall not be a Malawian or their vessels that shall ever be safe once they cross the median line of the lake - unless and until our riparian rights to the lake are affirmed by Malawi and the international community. Period!
Meanwhile we should prepare ourselves to defend the rights of our people near Lake Malawi. I am not a war hawk but I surely will not give away inalienable rights of my people because some King and a Kaiser signed some Treaty in the North Sea. I am an old man but for this cause, I will take up arms if Malawi and the world choose to be irresponsibly unreasonable.
Tuache kumumunya maneno, haki zetu za ziwa hatukuwahi kuwapa Wajerumani wala Waingereza na kwa uhakika sio Wamalawi. Sio kiburi, sio ubabe, ni kuweka wazi kosa la uchoraji ramani ambao haukutilia maanani haki za msingi za wakazi. Hata tungekuwa wadogo kama Shelisheli hii haki tungeipigania hata kwa miaka alfu. Ni Mungu tu anaweza kutunyima haki ya matumizi ya maji.
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This treaty can NOT and SHOULD NOT bind owners of the rights to the lake prior to the treaty, unless one shows me where the Wamandas, Nyakyusas, Matengos, Wanyasa signed off their rights to their water, fish and lake resources. Lets not be ridiculous. Tanzania should make it very clear that the riparian rights of the people around lake Malawi/Nyasa have never been up for negotiation neither interrupted for a thousand years before Kaiser and the King came up with the idea of sphere of influence - what ever that means. Sphere of influence za wazungu inahusianaje na mbasa za Wanyakyusa?
A Mmanda shall never ever need a visa to go fetch drinking water from a Lake whose main inlet for the northern waters is from rivers like Songwe flowing from Tanzania. The Malawians and the world should know that we will defend our riparian rights with whatever means necessary and that there shall not be a Malawian or their vessels that shall ever be safe once they cross the median line of the lake - unless and until our riparian rights to the lake are affirmed by Malawi and the international community. Period!
Meanwhile we should prepare ourselves to defend the rights of our people near Lake Malawi. I am not a war hawk but I surely will not give away inalienable rights of my people because some King and a Kaiser signed some Treaty in the North Sea. I am an old man but for this cause, I will take up arms if Malawi and the world choose to be irresponsibly unreasonable.
Tuache kumumunya maneno, haki zetu za ziwa hatukuwahi kuwapa Wajerumani wala Waingereza na kwa uhakika sio Wamalawi. Sio kiburi, sio ubabe, ni kuweka wazi kosa la uchoraji ramani ambao haukutilia maanani haki za msingi za wakazi. Hata tungekuwa wadogo kama Shelisheli hii haki tungeipigania hata kwa miaka alfu. Ni Mungu tu anaweza kutunyima haki ya matumizi ya maji.
Mchilyi7.0
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Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 8:57 pm
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
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-- From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 8:57 pm
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Banda and your fellow supporters, and Malawians,
It is foolish to ask London to comment on that issue because they are the ones who messed up everything, not once, but many times.
For your information, in the 1926 House of Commons hansards the British secretary of colonies is recorded to have said: "I don't know where the border is" - when he was asked to clarify on the issue. That was 1926.
Again, in the 1950s when the British were redrawing the borders of the Rhodesian Federation that would have included Malawi, Zambia and Zimbabwe, they got into debate over the same border and decided to trash the 1930s map in favor of the new map that placed the lake inside Malawi. Why did they discuss the matter among themselves if the issue was clear?
Here is another note: The facts as shown below regarding the British mandate over Tanganyika (given by the League of Nations) and the trusteeship (given by the UNO) are incorrect. Please refer to my earlier briefings on the same detail which can also be found in a few studies including a PhD dissertation by a Tanzanian which is still going on.
Thank you.
Matinyi.
-- It is foolish to ask London to comment on that issue because they are the ones who messed up everything, not once, but many times.
For your information, in the 1926 House of Commons hansards the British secretary of colonies is recorded to have said: "I don't know where the border is" - when he was asked to clarify on the issue. That was 1926.
Again, in the 1950s when the British were redrawing the borders of the Rhodesian Federation that would have included Malawi, Zambia and Zimbabwe, they got into debate over the same border and decided to trash the 1930s map in favor of the new map that placed the lake inside Malawi. Why did they discuss the matter among themselves if the issue was clear?
Here is another note: The facts as shown below regarding the British mandate over Tanganyika (given by the League of Nations) and the trusteeship (given by the UNO) are incorrect. Please refer to my earlier briefings on the same detail which can also be found in a few studies including a PhD dissertation by a Tanzanian which is still going on.
Thank you.
Matinyi.
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 13:46:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
From: emuganda@gmail.com
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Charles Banda,
It is not a question of oil and gas. If the whole lake belongs to Malawi then Tanzania has no right to use the lake,
and fish in it.
em
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From: emuganda@gmail.com
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Charles Banda,
It is not a question of oil and gas. If the whole lake belongs to Malawi then Tanzania has no right to use the lake,
and fish in it.
em
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Charles Banda <chasbanda@gmail.com> wrote:
Tanzania already has oil & gas, it does not want poor Malawi to enjoy its own cake.
Word that Iranian oil tankers are flying Tanzanian national flag
Politics and economy.
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Deogratias Kawonga <deogratias.kawonga@gmail.com> wrote:
Matinyi,Huyu Jamaa kaanza tena
Sent from my iPhone--As Malawi and Tanzania grapple with finding solutions to the Lake Malawi boundary wrangle, Downing Street memos on the issue during the Hastings Kamuzu Banda era we have seen build a strong case for Malawi.
The memos were written in the 1960s when the dispute first surfaced after then Tanzanian president Julius Nyerere wrote London, complaining about Banda's "expansionist" policy that was claiming the whole of Lake Malawi when, according to Tanzania, it was supposed to be shared equally.
Archived communication we have seen from Number 10 Downing Street—Britain's Prime Minister's office in London—asserts that Tanzania cannot apply international law to claim the lake.
"The present border between Malawi and Tanzania was first defined and described in Anglo-German Agreement of July 1 1890, which established the limits of the British and German spheres of influence in the area.
"By that agreement [and the Anglo-Portuguese Agreements of 1890-3], the whole of Lake Nyasa was deemed as belonging to the British sphere of influence and the border where it touched the lake, ran down the eastern shoreline," reads a 1969 internal Downing Street background note clarifying the border issue.
But Tanzania's position, as outlined recently by president Jakaya Kikwete, is that the Anglo-German Treaty of 1890 that gave Malawi the sole ownership of Lake Malawi was flawed and Tanzania has every reason to demand this to be corrected.
Kikwete, in his August end-of-the-month address to his country, said the Heligoland Treaty—the agreement between then colonial powers Germany and Britain—denies Tanzanians living on the shores of Lake Malawi "their given right to utilise proximate water and marine resources to earn their daily living".
Kikwete, according to a report in The Citizen newspaper of Tanzania published on September 2 2012, argued that the colonial treaty set an unfortunate precedent for Tanzanians yet, on the border between Malawi and Mozambique, boundaries were duly readjusted to give citizens of those countries equal rights of access.
He said the treaty is erroneous because it contravenes international law that requires States to share adjoining water resources.
The 1969 background note followed Nyerere's letter to British Prime Minister at the time, Harold Wilson, dated October 21 1968, in which he expressed concern that Malawi's president Banda had announced on September 16 1968 that he was putting patrol vessels on Lake Malawi.
Nyerere had claimed in his letter that the press reported that Britain was supplying three gun boats for that purpose.
He said Banda had also put a vessel on the lake fitted out with arms for him by the Portuguese.
An internal letter to a superior by a Downing Street official, a Mr. Waitland, attached to the background note, said:
"With reference to your letter to David Erighty of October 15, I enclose a redraft of the reply to President Nyerere's letter to the Prime Minister of September 24 about the border dispute between Malawi and Tanzania."
The letter made two landmark conclusions, the first one being:
"It is doubtful whether Tanzania's assertion—as expressed in paragraph 4 [four] of Nyerere's letter to the Prime Minister…that the boundary between the two countries is in the centre of Lake Malawi—could be sustained in law, since the principles of international law, to which Nyerere appeals, could hardly be applied, whereas in the Anglo-German Agreement of 1890 about this particular boundary, one of the riparian States concerned has agreed with the other that the lake lay outside its boundaries," reads the letter.
This position notwithstanding, the memo points out that it might be argued that the definitions of the agreement of 1890 are in terms of "spheres of influence and that these may not necessarily entail definitive territorial boundaries."
The second conclusion was "that the Tanzanians would have a stronger case for a redefinition of the boundary if they had based this on grounds not of international law, but of equity."
The communication we have seen further shows that the 1890 Anglo-German Agreement was maintained when the Protectorate of Nyasaland districts was formed in 1891 and also in 1893 when the protectorate was renamed British Central Africa and in 1907 when it was renamed again as the Nyasaland Protectorate.
According to the communication, when the British role was established in German East Africa and renamed Tanganyika after the treaty of Versailles in 1918, under mandate from the League of Nations, Tanganyika's border on Lake Nyasa on the eastern shoreline continued to be of the former German colony.
"This continued to be the case when the British mandate over Tanganyika was continued in the form of a United Nations Trusteeship," reads the communication.
In the documents, Britain also highlighted sources of confusion over lake's boundary.
"All the above territorial definitions rest on the terms of the Anglo-German Agreement of 1890, since subsequent Orders in Council, etc. have tended to describe the territories as "bounded by German East Africa" [for Malawi] and the "Nyasaland Protectorate" [for Tanzania]," says the communication.
It adds that further confusion arises out of German and British maps of the area which are inconsistent.
"The German maps of 1904 and 1913 show the boundary running along the eastern shore of the lake, but one of 1918 shows it as being the median of the lake. The Colonial Office Map Supplement of 1948 gives the border on the shoreline for its map of Nyasaland, and the middle of the lake for its Tanganyikan counterpart," reads the communication.
The most blatant error, according to the communication, is contained in the map included in the White Paper issued in 1953 on the conference on the Federation of Southern Rhodesia, Northern Rhodesia and Nyasaland, which shows the border running down the median of Lake Nyasa between Nyasaland and Tanganyika.
The Malawi-Tanzania border resurfaced this year following Capital Hill's licensing of a firm to explore oil on Lake Malawi.
Tanzania now wants a chunk of the water body, which led to negotiations—first in Tanzania then in Malawi last month. The talks were inconclusive.
Malawi now wants to take the matter to the UN International Court of Justice after the talks in Mzuzu last month failed to resolve the matter, according to Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation Minister Ephraim Chiume.
But Chancellor College international law expert, Dr. Mwiza Nkhata, said in an interview soon after the talks that the world court would not automatically decide on the matter because Tanzania did not give compulsory jurisdiction to the court on interpretation of treaties and questions on international law.
On the Tanzania side, the Mzuzu talks were led by Chiume's counterpart, Bernard Membe. That meeting resolved that they should try diplomacy to end the wrangle and that the Attorney Generals of the two countries should interpret Article 1 (2) (IV) of the Anglo-Germany Treaty.
The two countries were expected to meet in Tanzania this month for more talks.
But on Thursday this week, Information Minister Moses Kunkuyu said the meeting the two countries were scheduled to have this September have not yet taken place.
Kunkuyu said there is no latest development on the mater.
He supported the memo's content, saying it has been Capital Hill's conviction that the whole lake belongs to Malawi.
http://www.malawitoday.com/news/126723-lake-belongs-malawi-uk-letters-reveal
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