Re: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani

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On 1/4/13, Lemburis Kivuyo <lembu.kivuyo@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2013/1/4 Asanterabi Sang'enoi <asangenoi@yahoo.com>
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>> Wandugu naomba nami nichangie kuhusu hili kidogo. Kwanza nikiri kabisa
>> mimi ni mmojawapo ninayekerwa na wanasiasa kuchanganya salamu kwa
>> kujaribu
>> kuungwa mkono na wananchi. Mimi kama mkristo najua wazi kuwa Bwana
>> asifiwe
>> au Tumsifu Yesu Kristo (ambayo kimsingi ni moja hiyohiyo) siyo salamu
>> bali
>> ni Kaulimbiu. Kwa hiyo ni makosa kabisa kulinganisha Bwana Asifiwe au
>> Tumsifu Yesu Kristu na Asalaam Aleykum. Pili mtu yeyote asiyemwamini Yesu
>> Kristo hapaswi kamwe kusema Kauli mbiu hiyo ya Bwana Yesu Asifiwe au
>> Tumsifu Yesu Kristo maana huo ni unafiki mkubwa. Huwezi kusema KIDUMU
>> CHAMA
>> CHA MAPINDUZI Wakati wewe ni CUF au CHADEMA. Salamu ya Kikristo
>> inayofanania na Asalaal Aleykum ni SHALOM Hivyo niombe wanasiasa na watu
>> wengine wasiofahamu kama kweli wanataka kutoa salamu kwa makundi
>> mchanganyiko ili kila kundi lijisikie basi waseme Asalaam Aleykum na
>> SHALOM
>> tutawaelewa na Kamwe wasichezee Kauli Mbiu ya Bwana Yesu asifiwe.
>> Maandiko
>> yanasema USILITAJE JINA LA BWANA MUNGU WAKO BURE. Yesu Kristo ni
>> MUNGU!!!.
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 1/3/13, Yachama Gabriel <yachama2012@gmail.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Yachama Gabriel <yachama2012@gmail.com>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> Received: Thursday, January 3, 2013, 7:40 PM
>>
>>
>> Neno "kauri" sio sahihi. Naona alittaka kusema "kauli". Vyema tuwe
>> tunasahihishana lugha maana tumezidi kuharibu kiswahili, sijui kwa
>> kutojua
>> au makusudi.
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by Zantel Etisalat Tanzania.
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: * matinyi@hotmail.com <matinyi@hotmail.com>
>> *Sender: * wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> *Date: *Thu, 3 Jan 2013 16:16:51 -0500
>> *To: *<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> *ReplyTo: * wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>>
>> Erick,
>> Nitakupa upande wangu. Hatari moja ya haya mambo ni kuwa na watu kama
>> wewe.
>> Mnachanganya tu.
>> Matinyi.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Erick Mathew" <mathewerick@yahoo.com>
>> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 3:36 pm
>>
>>
>> Habari wanabidii!napenda kujibu kauri ya matinyi, anataka kupotosha umma
>> au la atuambie kua yeye ni mpagani mpiga ramli na mtesa watu-
>> ndio kazi ya wasio mwamini mungu ambao ukijenga nyumba nzuri kuliko yake
>> kesho yake unajikuta umelala kando ya mto au kugezwa msukule maana ndio
>> shughuli yao!
>> Nataka aniambie anacho amini kati ya dini hizi kuu mbili,ili
>> nimsaidie,ukristo or uislam!maana hakuna imani icyokua na alama yake ya
>> utambulisho,hata vyama vya siasa vina utambulisho wao,na freemason pia
>> wanao!Shekhefu alifanya kosa kubwa sana,angekua msikitini wangemtoa na
>> bakora angelijua jiji!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "matinyi@hotmail.com" <matinyi@hotmail.com>
>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>>
>>
>> Issa,
>> Haya, sawa, hiyo salamu ni ya kiislamu. Hapo ndipo ilipo hoja yangu,
>> kwamba dini zikae mahala pake. Basi.
>>
>> Shekifu huwa anaanza na hii na anamalizia na ya Bwana Yesu akiamini
>> anawakosha watu wa dini zote. Huu ndio upuuzi kwenye siasa, tena mkubwa.
>>
>> Tusibaguane, hata kwa mema.
>>
>> Tanzania na siasa zake zisiwe na dini.
>>
>> Matinyi.
>>
>>
>>
>> T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Said Issa" <saidissa100@yahoo.com>
>> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 11:56 am
>>
>>
>> Kaka Matinyi,
>> You are misleading the guys na unafanya makosa. Wewe huijui dini ya
>> kiislamu na huwezi kuandika kama alivyoandika hapa chini.
>> Ni kweli labda kwenye Kurani haimo salam - ngojea nitafute, lakini kwenye
>> nguzo moja ya uislamu ambayo ni sala tunatakiwa tutoe salam mara mbili na
>> tuseme 'assalaam alaykum' kwa upande wa kulia na 'asslaam alaykum wa
>> rahamatullahi ' kwa upande wa kushoto - kama vile tunavyoamkiana na ndio
>> tuweze kumaliza sala.
>> Pia, uislamu sio Kurani peke yake. Mengi aliyoyafanya Mtume wetu Mohammad
>> (SAW) ni part ya uislamu na mpaka mwisho inasemwa kuwa..."he who obeys
>> Mohammad is indeed obeying Allah".
>> Mtume wetu akitoa salam popote pale anapowakuta watu - sio waislamu tu.
>> Kufanya alilokuwa akifanya yeye kwetu ni sunnah (yaani jambo zuri) na
>> linafaa.
>> Kwa bahati mbaya dini yetu imeshushwa kwa kiarabu, lakini hii haina maana
>> tuchukie kila kitu cha waarabu.
>>
>> Shekifu sio muislamu. Ninamjua vizuri sana - he is a very jolly guy. Yeye
>> anafuata trend ya mambo yanavyokuenda tu na sio kwamba katoa salam
>> kwasababu ni muislamu. Ni kweli katoa salam pahala sipo, lakini hii haina
>> maana kwamba kutoa salam ni upuuzi na ujinga.
>> Hakuna haja kuumizana imani zetu unnecessarily!
>>
>> .....bin Issa.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
>> To: Wanabidii googlegroups <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 8:32:22 AM
>> Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>>
>>
>>
>> Kiukweli kabisa, salamu si dini. Dini ni utii wa mwanadamu kwa Mwenyezi
>> Mungu. Kuitumia salamu visivyo ni tatizo.
>>
>> Biblia haijamfundisha muumini yeyote salamu ya "Bwana Asifiwe" au
>> "Tumsifu
>> Yesu Kristo". Huu ni ubunifu tu wa watu na hauna ulazima wowote kufuata;
>> sana sana ni ujuha tu. Mbona zamani hii salamu haikuwa na umaarufu huu?
>> Wa
>> nini leo kama si ulofa wa mawazo tu na hisia?
>>
>> Kurani haijamfundisha muumini yeyote salamu ya "Asalam Aleikum" bali hii
>> ni salamu ya Kiarabu, kama zilivyo "Ugonile" kwa Kinyakyusa au "Oyimore"
>> kwa Kijaluo, au "Salut" kwa Kifaransa, au "Konichiwa" kwa Kijapani, au
>> "Namaste" kwa Kihindi, n.k. Hakuna dini kwenye hii salamu na ndiyo maana
>> hata Waarabu wakristo wanaitumia.
>>
>> Hivyo, kuzitumia salamu hizi kwa kudhani kwamba ni kuziheshimu dini si
>> sahihi. Hilo moja. Ni kujichanganya na kupotosha umma.
>>
>> Pili, unapowasalimia Watanzania kwa dini zao, je, inakuwaje kwa wale
>> wasiokuwa na dini hizo? Je, vipi kwa wasiomwamini Mungu? Je, vipi kwa
>> Wakristo wasiotumia salamu hizo? Inakuwaje kwa muislamu asiyekitumia
>> Kiarabu mathalani yile wa Bosnia au Uchina?
>>
>> Lakini mbaya zaidi ni kujikuta kwamba tunajenga mbegu mbaya ya
>> kujitambulisha kwa dini zetu badala ya utu wetu na Utanzania wetu. Hili
>> ni
>> jambo la hatari na linapaswa kupigwa vita na wote wanaoitakia mema
>> Tanzania
>> na wenye ufahamu wa wanachokisema na kukifanya; tusiendeende tu kama
>> maboya
>> majini, tutakuja kujuta. Hii ni mbegu ya kibaguzi na ni ulofa wa
>> kiitikadi,
>> kisiasa na ugonjwa wa kutojifahamu. Kwa nini unataka usalimiwe kwa
>> unachodhani ni dini na wakati si lolote si dini?
>>
>> Tanzania ni nchi ya Watanzania; siyo nchi ya Wakristo na Waislamu.
>>
>> Matinyi.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 08:26:11 -0800
>> From: bertmutta@yahoo.com
>> Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>
>>
>> Kama wanasiasa na watu wengine hutumia salaam za aina tatu majukwaani
>> kujali makundi matatuya kiimani (asalaam alikum, Bwana Yesu asifiwe,
>> Tumsifu Yesu Kristu) basi asalaam aleikum sio sahihi tukiwa kanisani.
>> ELIMU YA KUKARIRISHWA
>>
>> Gosbert Mutasingwa
>> P.O Box 40
>> Biharamulo
>> KAGERA-Tanzania
>> 0784 857 775/0758 491 247
>>
>> --- On Thu, 1/3/13, Juma abdallah <juma.abdallah@huawei.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >From: Juma abdallah <juma.abdallah@huawei.com>
>> >Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> >To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >Date: Thursday, January 3, 2013, 5:49 AM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Asalam alikum-Amani ya bwana iwe juu yenu
>> >Waalaikum salaam- Nanyi juu yenu iwe amani ya bwana.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >From:wanabidii@googlegroups.com [mailto:wanabidii@googlegroups.com] On
>> Behalf Of Reuben Mwandumbya
>> >Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 3:05 PM
>> >To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> >
>> >Salim;
>> >Katika uhalisia Shekifu kakosea,alitakiwa kusoma mazingira asikwaze
>> wengine.
>> >Salamu hii ni ya Kiarabu hata kama maana yake kwa kiswahili ni Jambo
>> lakini haikutakiwa pale,then bado kachanganya dawa zinazoripuka.
>> >Pamoja na kwamba wapo Waarabu Wakristo ukweli unabaki kwamba sio asili
>> yao,inawezekana walislimu kama wengine wanavyofanya
>> >
>> >Reuben
>> >
>> >________________________________
>> >
>> >From:Salim Rupia <zabarelo@gmail.com>
>> >To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 11:08 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Sikuwepo, labda ilikuwa Swaumu hiyo nyingine lakina alikuwa na Sheikh
>> Ramia Bagamoyo na kichwa kilimuuma sana siku hiyo na pia hapa nam "quote"
>> yeye mwenyewe kwenye hotuba zake; ukipenda kusikiliza utasikia.
>> >Lakini sikuwa na maana ya kuchanganya hoja na Swaum; tuseme nimekosea.
>> Vipi kuhusu hiyo Salaam? Maana ndo hoja nilochangia kuna mtu alisema ya
>> kijinga na upumbavu...
>> >2013/1/3 Reuben Mwandumbya <ipyana75@yahoo.com>
>> >Salim usitupotoshe tafadhali;
>> >Au labda upe ufafanuzi swaum unayoongelea hapa ni ipi?kama ni ya
>> > Kiislamu
>> hutakuwa sahihi.
>> >Hata Wakristo tunafunga na tunakuwa na swaumu wakati wa mfungo wetu
>> kipindi kuelekea PASAKA.
>> >So dont mix up issues.
>> >
>> >Reuben
>> >
>> >________________________________
>> >
>> >From:Salim Rupia <zabarelo@gmail.com>
>> >To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 10:44 PM
>> >
>> >Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> >
>> >Jamani, "Asalaam Alaykum" ni sawa na "jambo?"; yaani greetings" tu ila
>> kwa lugha ya Kiarabu.
>> >Mnajua kuwa kuna Waarabu Wakristo na wanasalimia hivyo hivyo?
>> >Na ujinga na upumbavu unaosemwa hapa ni wa salaam hiyo na walioanzisha
>> ama ni huyo Muumini binafsi?
>> >Mi namkumbuka Mkatoliki mmoja aliekuwa hadi anafunga Swaum ndiye
>> aliehamasisha sana kusalimia kwa salaam hiyo majukwaani; alikuwa Mkuu wa
>> kwanza wa Nchi hii. Tunasemaje hapo...
>> >Huyo M bunge alikosea sana kwa kuwa kama wengi waliochangia
>> wanavyosema, inawezekana alikariri salaam; kuwa akiwa mbele ya watu wengi
>> aanze na salaam hiyo bila kukumbuka mkusanyiko ule ulikuwa wa watu gani.
>> >Mi nakumbuka wakati wetu kwa wale tulopita National Service (JKT)
>> ukipangwa ulinzi "Main Gate" kuna amri na maswali ambayo unakariri
>> kuuliza
>> kwa kila dereva wa gari litakalotaka kuingia kambini. Tulikuwa
>> tunawatania
>> kina "green kwanja" kuwa wao hata mchana watamwambia dereva "zima taa za
>> mbele, washa taa za ndani" kwa kuwa hiyo ndo ilikuwa amri ya kwanza!
>> Kisa;
>> kukariri...
>> >2013/1/3 matinyi@hotmail.com <matinyi@hotmail.com>
>> >Hizi salamu ni za kijinga mno mno. Sijui huu upumbavu ulianzishwa na
>> nani? Yaani tu taifa la ajabu sana.
>> >Matinyi.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network
>> >
>> >----- Reply message -----
>> >From: "godfred mbanyi" <mbanyibg@yahoo.com>
>> >To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >Subject: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> >Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 5:14 am
>> >
>> >
>> >Huu unafiki wa kisiasa utawaponza wengi!!! Utakuta kiongozi ni mwislamu
>> safi, swala zote na hija ameenda, lakini anasimama kwenye jukwaa la siasa
>> na salaam za " Tumsifu Yesu Kristo"!!!!!!!!!! Kisa, kutafuta sapoti ya
>> wapiga kura!!! Asifiwe, mtu usiyemwamini?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--- On Thu, 1/3/13, magreth Mulokozi <m.mulokozi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >From: magreth Mulokozi <m.mulokozi@gmail.com>
>> >Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> >To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >Date: Thursday, January 3, 2013, 2:07 AM
>> >
>> >
>> >Duu anatafuta kura za 2015 sasa , duu pole sana Nd Shekifu
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >2013/1/3 matinyi@hotmail.com <matinyi@hotmail.com>
>> >.....alikariri.....siyo alikalili.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Reply message -----
>> >From: "adeladius makwega" <makwadeladius@googlemail.com>
>> >To: "mabadilikotanzania" <mabadilikotanzania@googlegroups.com>,
>> "wanabidii" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >Subject: [wanabidii] Mbunge wa Lushoto azomewa Kanisani
>> >Date: Thu, Jan 3, 2013 4:46 am
>> >
>> >
>> >Shekifu aunza mwaka mpya Vibaya
>> >
>> >Mbunge wa Lushoto Hendry Shekifu ameuunza mwaka wa 2013 vibaya
>> >baada ya kuzomewa Kanisani na waamini katika sherehe za mwaka
>> >mpya baada ya kupewa nafasi ya kuwasalimu washirika wa Kanisa Kuu la
>> >KKKT Lushoto Tanga.
>> >
>> >Ibada hiyo ya kuukaribisha mwaka mpya ilianza kwa waumini kupokea
>> >mahubiri ya mwaka mpya yaliyohubiriwa na Mchungaji Walelaza na
>> >baadae kufuatiwa na ibada ya ubatizo ambapo watoto wawili kutoka
>> >familia mbili walibatizwa.
>> >
>> >Mara baada ya ubatizo huo ibada ilifuatiwa na utoaji wa Sadaka
>> >huku mbunge huyo wa Lushoto akionekana kushiriki kikamlifu
>> >katika ibada hiyo .
>> >
>> >Akiwa amevalia suti ya rangi nyeusi yenye mistari midogo
>> >midogo miyeupe Mbunge Shekifu ambaye aliwahi kushika nyadhifa
>> >mbalimbali zikiwamo ukuu wa mkoa alipewa nafasi ya kusimama mbele ya
>> >waamini mithili ya kasisi.
>> >
>> >Nafasi hiyo ilitolewa wakati wa Matangazo huku mchungaji
>> >akiwaomba waumini hao kumsikiliza Mbunge wao ili awasalimu. Basi
>> >Mbunge Shekifu alisimama huku akiweka vizuri koti kwa kujifunga
>> >vifungo vya koti hili ambalo lilionekana kuutosha mwili wake
>> >mkubwa uliojengeka vizuri.
>> >
>> >Alikisogelea kipaza sauti mara alianza kuongea kwa
>> >kujiamini."Aslaam Aleikumuuu…" Duu utangulizi huo uliharibu hali ya
>> >hewa ya kanisa hilo wauumini kuanza kuzomea na kuguna kutokana
>> >salaam hiyo iliyotolewa mwanzoni katika sehemu isiyo sahihi.
>> >
>> >Hali hiyo iliwafanya waumini hao kuibua munkali huo kutokana na
>> >kitendo cha mbunge huyo pengine kukalili namna ya kusalimia watu
>> >katika majukwaa ya kisiasa bila ya kujua kuwa sasa madhari
>> >aliyokuwa nayo ilikuwa ya salaam moja tu kama sikosei ni Bwana
>> >Yesu asifiwe au Tumsifu Yesu Kristu.
>> >
>> >Hekima ilitumika pengine huku yule aliyempa nafasi ya kuwasalimu
>> >wauumini wake akijilaumu kuitoa nafasi hiyo iliyotia shubiri
>> >kanisani hapo na kuibua zomeazomea hiyo ambalo sio jambo la
>> >kawaida kwa waumini kufanya hivyo.
>> >
>> >Mchungaji Walelaze ilibidi kuinuka na kusema waziwazi kuwa Ndugu
>> >Shekifu umekosea sana kwanza ulitakiwa kujitambua kuwa wewe
>> >japokuwa ni Kiongozi pia wewe ni mkiristu lolote utakalo fanya
>> >popote pale tambua unamajukumu mawili kwanza ukiristu wako
>> >na pili kuwa kiongozi. Hapa ni kanisani ulitakiwa kuwasalimia
>> >waashirika kwa salaam yao siyo salaam hiyo uliyoitoa hapa.
>> >
>>
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