Friday, 1 February 2013

Re: Fw: Re: [wanabidii] Wakristo kutokula mnyama aliyechinjwa na Muislam


Kikweli-huu udini upo toka wengine tunazaliwa. Kikwete anaonya Kikweli si CCM inaoueneza na Wasira kasema jambo la kweli ambalo utamaduni wetu uliuweka toka zama hizo ili kutumisha maisha ya amani kwa madhehebu mbalimbali kwani tunaishi kwa kuchanganyika. Hata kule ambapo wakichinja na kupika nyamba ya mbuzi au ng'ombe ambapo wao KIMILA hawasafishi utumbo kuondoa kinyesi ndani (Kichuri), kama kuna wageni-huwaandalia chakula cha kusafisha utumbo ukawa msafi na kumtumia mwalimu au mpishi hodari kutayarisha chakula ambacho wageni hao watakula. Kuichoma nyama ikaiva sio ile mbichi yenye damudamu ambao wao ndio wanapendelea kula sio ya kukaushwa sana. Desturi hizi unwritten tumehiwekea.

Ninaomba kukumbusha historia ninayoifahamu na ni ya kweli.
Kanisa la ZNZ la kikatoliki lilikuwa la kwanza kujengwa East and Central Africa sasa limetimiza miaka 150 hivi.

Hili lilijengwa wakati wazungu wakikomboa watumwa ili wapate kutawala na kupata uchumi wa nchi zetu. Wakabatizwa walioingia ukristu, wakalelewa na kanisa. Hata waliokuwa hawakuingia ukristu walipata msaada.

Kanisa lilihamishiwa Bagamoyo na baadhi ya watumwa kuhamishiwa Bagamoyo 1868. Sababu kubwa ilikuwa UDINIi. Kulianza vurugu/mchafuko kati ya Sultani na Uislamu na Ukristu ulioingia.

Udini huu ulikuwa mkubwa sana Bagamoyo kwa ushahidi wapo mapadri waliofundisha seminary ya kwanza ya Bagamoyo ambayo imehamishiwa Morogoro baada ya Serikali kuchukua mali za kanisa na kuweka chuo cha ualimu MANTEP ambacho sasa ni Agency.
Waislamu wakiingia kanisani kufanya fujo. Hii imeendelea maisha na kwa sasa kutumia walinzi wa makampuni zamani kuomba polisi kuwepo kanisani siku za sikukuu kama Kristmas na Pasaka. Wakiingia kupika kelele, kutukana na kusema 'Yesu si Mungu, Allah wa kbar' (whatever the name is). Wakristu wamekuwa wajinga-wakimya, hata siku moja hawajawahi kuvamia ndani ya msikiti kufanya fujo na wala kuchoma misikiti. Ukimya na ujinga huu una maana. Kama ni kusimama kulipa kisasi, nchi haitokalika. Bora kuwa mjinga uwe na amani kuliko ujanja na kisasi uwe mtumwa daima wa kuhamahama na kupoteza familia, kukatwa mikono, kubakwa na mateso mengine.

Kanisa la Bagamoyo lilikuwa na makazi ya wakoma (Ukoma), Jumba la watoto Yatima ambalo liliweka wenye matatizo ya ngozi (Zeruzeru) ambao walitupwa au kuuawa wako wakiokotwa na kulelewa hapo. Kambi ya wazee ambao walikuwa watumwa wamezeeka hawana ndugu. Picha zao zipo makumbusho hapo ya kanisa na hawa walitoka nchi mbali mbali. katika kusaidia masikini kwa chakula au nguo-kanisa halikuchagua dini mtaani au waendao kuomba msaada. Kulikuwa na mechanical na carpentry workshop ambako watu walipata mafunzo; zizi na la ng'ombe wakifugwa kisasa na watu wakichunga na josho lake lipo hadi leo, Zahanati ya matibabu ambayo imerejeshwa na matibabu kwa watu wa dini zote.
Huko bagamoyo kuna ushahidi ambapo mtu akihasi dini mkristu kuingia uislamu-alikuwa akipewa hela. Lakini akihasi muislamu kuingia ukistu kuolewa au ameamua tu-alikosa amani na pakuishi ilikuwa vita-aliipata. Na hii ipo nchi kama Misri. Mkristu kupata ajira-usitegemee labda ujiajiri; ukiolewa na muislamu ukihasi dini marufuku kurudia dini yako-unanyongwa ukirudia dini yako. Nilifika Cairo nikafahamishwa haya na watu wa huko.
Huku TZ watu hufuata hela/mshiko leo kaingia huku kesho kule mara kaokoka kaingia kanisa fulani kama kuna mikopo au kiimani hasa au kaanzisha kanisa na kukusanya mihela- hakieleweki. Uhuru wa dini upo lakini ubaguzi-wakristu wanaonewa ila umefika muda nao wanaamka. Wamechoka kuchomewa makanisa hata kama maandamano na matatizo ni ya kisiasa au yako binafsi lakini adui anakuwa-Mkristu na Padri na kanisa lake.

Ninawafahamu kwa majina watu wazima walioteseka hivyo ktk kurudia dini yao ya kikristu  wakahasi, wamezeeka wanataka kurudi ukristu-anaona bora afe ktk dini yake ya zamani akapata sulubu na kufuatwa kutolewa kanisani na waliokuwa wakisali nae msikitini alipohasi. Huyu alikuwa baba wa ndugu yangu.

Kwa wanafunzi waliosoma shule za serikali Bagamoyo-mfano Mwambao Primary School iliyo karibu na Majamat na Misikiti kabibu na Pwani, siku za sikukuu walikuwa wanapelekwa kula pilau/ubwabwa msikitini na Jamatini. Foleni mstari kuelekea huko wasichana kwao na wavulana kwao, mtu hawezi kugeuka uwe wa dini ya kikristu au kiislamu. Ilikuwa kama lazima hivi. Marashi yakipita wote mnayapata matone yake. haikuwa hivi ktk shule za kikristu ila zilikuwa na kusali darasani ambapo kila mwalimu akiingia anasalisha na waislamu wote walijua kusali kikristu (baba yetu, salam Maria) lakini wao hukaa chini wakristu wanaposimama darasani kusali. Kwa sasa, hasa vijana (Youths) hawajali dini, wao wakiona kifo/mazishi wanachoangalia ni mlo/ubwabwa na wanaomba masufuria wakwangue na  wakoshe vyombo. Watakuwepo mpaka msiba uishe.
Hawajali dini wao hata kama mnyama kanyongwa wao ni ganga njaa tu.

Zamani, daima waislamu wakiitwa kuchinja nyama kwa mkristu kuwapo na sherehe maana ktk ujirani hakukua na fujo watu waliishi kwa usalama na walichangia sherehe, mazishi na mengineo. Lakini ktk ujumla kulikuwa na ushabiki wa kidini ambao hao wa jazba wachache walileta vurugu. Shule za GVT wakristu wakivutwa magauni yao na kutiwa madukuo ya kichwa na watoto wa kiislamu wakiitwa-makombo ya masea na wala nguruwe. Shule za GVt in 1960s-1970s ndio zilizokuwa na waislamu wengi katika wanafunzi 100 kwa mfano 15 tu ndio walikuwa wakristu kutokana na wao kusoma shule za kanisa. 

Kikwete na CCM wasilaumiwe kuleta udini, huu upo na malalamiko ya kusema waislamu wanaonewa-Baba wa Taifa alitaifisha shule za Makanisa kuweka usawa. Sasa ni Uchumi binafsi, huria na private sector inanguvu ya kujiendesha-Makanisa yapo juu na mashule na vyuo vya kila aina. Hakuna anayezuia mashirika ya dini nyingine mfano Waislamu, wasijichangishe kanisani kama wachangavyo wakristu michango iumizayo kujenga nursery schools, na aina nyingine za taasisi za elimu. Ukijenga msikiti-weka na shule ya vidudu sio madrasa tu. Tuliosoma nao sisi wazee huko nyuma shulea za kanisa-walipomaliza std 4 au 7 waliolewa. Na wakati huo sifa kuolewa na mwalimu wa madrasa, sharif, sheikh au mtu ktk ukoo wake. Wachache sana 2 ktk mia ya wasichana waliruhusiwa kwenda secondary-waliozwa. Kanisa lilikuja na Elimu Dunia. Padri ni msomi, ni padri na mwalimu na anajua lugha zaidi ya kiswahili-kiingereza, Kilatini, Kifaransa na huyo ni padri mwafrika wa TZ-amesoma. Jee huko nyuma miaka 1960-1970 mwalimu wa madrasa au sheikh anaelimu gani na ujuzi gani? Kwa sasa wamwsoma lakini muhimu kule ambapo Waislamu ni wengi mfano coastal areas (Mafia, Rufiji, Lindi, Mtwara, Saadan, Pangani etc) elimu dunia ikazaniwe. Unguja na Pemba walikuwa na english medium school wakati wa ukoloni wa uingereza. Baada ya Uhuru waliingia Kiswahili na uswahili. Somesheni kama walivyosoma Wamisri badala ya malalamiko ya kuonewa huku unamuoza mwenyewe mtoto na hukazanii Elimu Dunia na skills za kupata ajira. Tanzania bara wafugaji wanaozurura na mifugo watoto hawasomi na baadhi yao wanawaoza umri mdogo-kisha wanalalamika kutokupata huduma na kujaliwa kielimu.

Alichosema WASIRA sahihi na hii ndivyo ilivyokuwa toka zama hizo ili kuondoa mtafaruku wa kidini nchini. waacheni Waislamu wachinje kunapokuwa na sherehe za michanganyiko ya dini (wakristu tuendelee kuwa wavumilivu) na wachinje ktk bucha za umma au serikali-kwani haitotubadili Imani yetu wala ujirani wetu. Unapokula mwenyewe home-nyoga mnyama wako. akija muislamu au mtu wa dini ingine-atakula akiwa na njaa yake bila kuhoji. Mbona wapo waislamu wanywao gongo vibaya sana, walao kitimoto, kubwia unga au madawa ya kulevya na bhangi; wapo waliowapangia vyumba mashoga; majambazi na mengine mengi kama walivyo watu katika dini nyingine. Sasa inapokuja vurugu ya -Kuchoma makanisa hakieleweki; kuingiza Udini katika masuala mengi ambapo watendaji ni sisi wenyewe ambapo hatuweki kipaumbele ktka maisha yetu-Elimu dunia kwa watoto; nafasi za uongozi ambapo etc na madai mengine Ndipo KIkwete akasema-Someni/Somesheni msilalamike tu. Maonyo yake sio mabaya. Jitumeni fanyeni kazi kwa bidii msikae barazani tu. Wacheni wizi mkiajiriwa mahotelini-hamtapata ajira hata kama mahoteli hayo yapo makwenu huku pwani na kwingineko. Sio Udini-Tabia yenu.

Msimuongopee yapo TZ. Kukemea ni muhimu kwa sababu yanageuka kuwa uonevu na kutengwa kiudini kumbe SIO. Tukubali ukweli wa kubadilika. Tuangalie matatizo yetu scientifically na kuyatatua kiukweli badala ya kutafuta popular politics ya kukuza jina au vyama vyetu. Tuangalie usalama, mahitaji ya raia na maendeleo endelevu ya kweli.

--- On Fri, 1/2/13, Solomon Msomba <msomba2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Solomon Msomba <msomba2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fw: Re: [wanabidii] Wakristo kutokula mnyama aliyechinjwa na Muislam
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, 1 February, 2013, 7:41

Wanabidii na watanzania wote,
 
Naomba muache uoga kumyoshea kidole mtu. Haya mambo ya udini naona tunapiga danadana au wenzetu waingereza wanasema "biting around the bush". Ukweli ni kwamba wimbo wa udini ni matunda ya kapeni za Chama Tawala CCM 2005-2010 kutaka kuupata urais hata kwa njia ya kutumia udini. Kidole cha kila mtanzania mpenda amani kiendee kampeni hizo. Haina maana ya kungukazunguka wakati CCM ndiyo waliotumia UDINI kufanya kampeni zao. Kinana alikuwa manager aeleze walilenga nini?. Na Rais aseme waliokuwa wanampa SERA za kufanyia kampeni walilenga nini na kwa nini alikubali kupeperusha bendera ya chama hata kwa kutumia UDINI?. Haya yote akina DR. Ngasongwa, Wasira, Kingungwe Ngombale Mwilu etc Hawa ndiyo baadhi ya STRATEGISTS wa CCM. Let them come forward and tell us as what was their objectives- To WIN presidential or to Damage this NATION? Let them tell us? Moto huu hatutauzima kwa kauli nyepesi nyepesi! Mimi nina ndugu zangu waislam wengi wazuri tu leo WASIRA na Mkuu wa mkoa wa Mwanza kwa interest za Chama Cha CCM wanatoa matamko ya kuangamiza bado tunawaangalia tu. Mheshimiwa RAIS Wetu JK toa maelezo yenye TIJA kwa nchi hii. Hivi kweli mheshimiwa JK tukisema wewe ndiye ulimtuma WASIRA utatukatlia wapi? Mh. RAIS tunaomba uwe na huruma na watanzania. Ukweli ni kwamba hizi ni UNDERGROUND STRATEGIES ZA CCM- Consider to stop this kwa faida ya taifa letu. Uwezo unao kasoro unakosa NIA.
 
 
 
 


--- On Thu, 1/31/13, Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Wakristo kutokula mnyama aliyechinjwa na Muislam
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 31, 2013, 6:50 AM

Binafsi sina shida kula nyama ilivochinjwa na Mwislamu au Mkristo lakini ninachokisema ni kwamba haya ni matunda ya udini ambao umekuwa ukiendelea nchini bila kuchukua hatua zozote. Nilitegemea mikoa kama ya kanda ya Ziwa kuwa na uvumilivu mkubwa wa kidini maana watu wamechanganyikana sana na huko siku za nyuma haijawa issue kwa mikoa hii kuongelea mambo ya udini. Lakini pia baadhi ya viongozi wa serikali (kama alivyofanya Mkuu wa Mkoa wa Mwanza na Waziri Stephen Wassira) nayo yanachangia. Huwa naamini mambo yanayohusu imani hayahitaji kutumia nguvu/kulazimisha - yanahitaji tu kuelimisha watu ili wawe well informed na waweze kuamua vizuri juu ya mambo yanayohusu maishayao.


2013/1/31 Joseph Ludovick <josephludovick@gmail.com>
Nawashukuru sana waislamu.ila nawalaumu kidogo.natamani waanze na programu ya kutandika viboko wakristu.labda hapo tutaamua kuacha woga na kujifanya wapole kumbe hatuishiki imani yetu wala hatuko tayari kutaabika kuitetea.waislamu kazeni kamba.hata mkitaka barabara zenu maana wakristu wanatawanya vinyesi barabarani,peweni tu.si wakristo wenyewe wapowapo tu


2013/1/31 Salim Rupia <zabarelo@gmail.com>
I support with even this "STUPIDITY IS EASILY EXPOSED THROUGH SPEAKING"


2013/1/31 richard bahati <ribahati@gmail.com>
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
 
Plato



2013/1/31 <nevilletz@gmail.com>

It is a petty issue, kuchinja ni kuchinja tu. Kwetu kule Mamba, Lekura mkoani Kilimanjaro nyama inalika kuliko umasaini, lakini sikuwahi kumwona muislamu akichinja.

Kwa maana hiyo kwangu mimi, kuchinja ni sifa ya wanaume wa kichaga,ijapokuwa hilo halinizuii kula nyama iliyochinjwa na yeyote yule!
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From: denis Matanda <denis.matanda@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:08:53 +0000
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Wakristo kutokula mnyama aliyechinjwa na Muislam

Mimi nilishaanza kuchinja mwenyewe muda mrefu sana! Hamna jipya hapa. Nchi nyingine kuna maduka ya "halal".....yaanzishwe tu na bongo. Sio sawa kwa serikali kujiingiza kwenye hii mambo!
On Jan 31, 2013 7:53 AM, "Hildegarda Kiwasila" <khildegarda@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


Watanzania, badala ya kuanzisha mijadala isiyo na tija, viongozi wa siasa ktk vyama vyao, watafute hela, watumie vijana wao waliosoma wengine toka vyuo wapo hawana ajira, waunde volunteer system zao za vyama, wakahamasishe shughuli za maendeleo katika majimbo yao walipo. Tunaomba, kila mbunge aonyeshe kuwa anaweza kuleta mabadiliko na mfano uwe kwake kwa nguvu yake na chama chake. Wafugaji wanapanda juu Mvuha kwenye catchment forest mito inakauka na miradi ya maji inayojengwa haitokuwa na maji bali White Elephants. Waende kuwaelimisha sustainable livestock keeping na alternative livelihood zipo nyingi. Waache ile dhana na wingi wa mifugo ndio utajiri social class inapanda juu. Wale wa maeneo ya kilimo wahamasishe sustainable conservation agriculture kuondoa degradation na ukataji miti. Msikalie maneno mengi leo Gas, kesho uwekezaji unaonea huku wachimbaji wadogowadogo hawajiungi itakiwavyo, hawasikilizi na kuzingatia ushauri kama ilivyo kwa wavuvi, wakulima na wafugaji. Maliasili zipo lakini tu vipofu na viziwi pamoja na kuwa na macho na masikio na wasomi kibao. Tuache maneno ya kudandiadandia leo hili kesho nyama kuchinja mara nguruwe kufugwa etc. tutatue matatizo halisi ya matumizi mabaya ya ardhi bila conservation, kuharibu vyanzo vya maji-unapata Mvuha, Mgeta, Pangani juu huko Shengena unachimba madini na kuweka uchafuzi bila kuangalia future u pumba kichwani unaua taifa kwa mercury na uchafu mwingine. Tuunde crusade ya elimu na mabadiliko. Vi nchi jirani vinapigana vita vinakuja kutushinda sio maendeleo tu hata football na netball! Tupo maneno mengi daima kila siku jipya na matendo maovu hata ya kuiba mahindi ya mgao wa njaa na kukaribisha wafugaji kutoka Burundi na kuwapa ardhi sisi wenyewe. hatutatui haya ila leo  hili kesho lile. Tumeondoka kwenye Gas sasa tunaanza ya mabucha ya kuchinja-Uswahili tu!!
Hata hizo nyamba zinazozhinjwa huko na Waislamu zinauzwa ktk mabucha, mbona tunasikia nyingine ni vibudu walikuja wakachoka wakafia njiani na zinaning'ingia buchani? Huyo anayedai ustaarabu wa nyama ukimuangalia mazingira anayoishi tandale kwa Mtogole, Mwenge etc, Morogoro mazingira machafu ya kutiririsha kinyesi mitaroni, harufu ya uchafu kila eneo. Kijijini nyumba unamchungulia ndani na choo unamuona wala hazungushi makuti/nyasi za hifadhi. Choo anakwenda porini, mvua ikija inachanganya kinyesi chake na cha mifugo na mataka mengine ktk mito anakochota maji ya kunywa ambayo hachemshi. Eti akichemsha yanakosa radha. Wanaharisha, wanaugua kutokana na uchafu. Leo hii kuchinja mnyama iwe issue eti ibada, kila mtu wa dhehebu ajichinjie etc ije kuleta mtafaruku kama wa Mtwara wa kuchoma mabucha/machinjio? Choma mahakama hata kama nduguyo ana Kesi hapo zililzo nje ya digitali kuwakomoa mpaka jamii yako. Choma zahanati na gari la polisi dharura ikitokea 'utapanda ungo' kwenda kutibiwa kwa manyaunyau mbona ndege za asili zipo (1.30 hrs Mtwara-Mbeya; Singida-Mbeya). Cheap politics zitatumaliza. Serikali hukaa kimya kujibu malumbano ya kidini kwa sababu wanajua wakijibu tu watakaoumia ni wengi-Moto utawaka kila kona kwa kisingizio cha dini kukashifiwa au kuonewa. Funika kombe-mwanaharamu apite!! Tuyanyamazie haya ya Bucha na kuchinja. Tuangalie mengine ya maendeleo Chipalazya. Uchafu mngapi tunafanya huku tunasali sana??

--- On Wed, 30/1/13, alexander chipalazya <chipalazya@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: alexander chipalazya <chipalazya@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Wakristo kutokula mnyama aliyechinjwa na Muislam
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, 30 January, 2013, 17:27

Hilda,
Wa-Islam wanasema kuchinja wanyama ni sehemu ya ibada. Kwahoja hiyo nikama unamlazimisha mwingine kushiriki ibada asiyo iamini. Mimi naona wa-Kristo wamekua wavumilivu sana kwa hili. Nafikiri dawa kila mtu achinje mnyama wake hata kama ni kwenye mabucha. Wa-islam wawe na mabucha yao wanayo amini nyama imechinjwa kwa minajili ya imani yao, nasio kunilazimisha unichinjie mnyama.
Alexander


From: Hildegarda Kiwasila <khildegarda@yahoo.co.uk>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Wakristo kutokula mnyama aliyechinjwa na Muislam

Daima wakristu wanapokuwa na sherehe makwao humuita muislamu kuchika mnyama wa sherehe-mbuzi, kondoo, kuku, ng'ombe ili waislamu waweze kushiriki sherehe hiyo ya mlo. Waislamu kuchinja ktk machinjio ya umma na sherehe za mjumuiko nao kwa upande wa dini nyingine haijawa tatizo. Huyo mkristu anayegoma ana lake jambo. Atafute lingine hatopata support ya mtu yoyote ni destruri ya jamii ya kiafrika kabisa TZ kukubali moslem wachinje Wasira was right. Hata baadhi ya sherehe mfano kifo-watani ndio wapikao SIO mfiwa ama sivyo mfiwa ukianza kupika mwenyewe watakushangaa. Shetani kaivaa nchi. Bado mengine yaja. Mfano itaanza- 'kila mtu wa dini fulani asome shule za dini hizo, atibiwe hospitali za dini yake etc.' watu watazalia mlangoni mwa facility hizo kwa kutokupowewa wapate huduma. Mungu atusaidie.

--- On Tue, 29/1/13, matinyi@hotmail.com <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: matinyi@hotmail.com <matinyi@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Wakristo kutokula mnyama aliyechinjwa na Muislam
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 29 January, 2013, 19:02

Tanzania kwishinehi. Ujinga wa waasisi wa udini. Haya ni mavuno.



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Date: Tue, Jan 29, 2013 12:29 pm


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