Re: RE: [wanabidii] Safari hii ya Goma ihitimishiwe Kigali

Kunyaranyara,

 Mimi nimekaa nje muda mrefu. Ninafahamiana na maafisa wizara ya mambo ya nje ya Marekani. Na uzuri wa Marekani hawana siri.

Ukweli si kwamba wanaona tuna uongozi mzuri. Wanaona tuna uongozi unaopenda kutumikia maslahi yao. That is the difference.
Wamarekani hawakumpenda Mwalimu Nyerere, lakini walimheshimu. Wanampenda Kikwete, lakini hawamheshimu. Go figure.
em

On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:45 AM, ezekiel kunyaranyara <ekunyaranyara@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

EM Wapo tatizo ni mitizamo na mapenzi ya watu kuliko nchi. Siasa za nguvu zinapofusha watu wasione kariba ya uongozi tulionao. Iweje wa nje waone kwamba tuna uongozi mzuri sana na sisi tusiuone? Ni kwamba tumeamua kujifanya vipofu ambapo kwa siasa tulizoamua kufanya ni sawa. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

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From: Emmanuel Muganda <emuganda@gmail.com>;
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Subject: Re: RE: [wanabidii] Safari hii ya Goma ihitimishiwe Kigali

Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 12:15:31 PM

Mimi bado nina swali kwa wale wanaoamini kuwa lazima twende Kigali. Ili iweje? Collin Powell aliwahi kusema "you break it, you own it." Tukienda Kigali, tukishinda vita then what? Do we colonize Rwanda? Do we choose its leaders for them? Baada ya vita vya Uganda, Mwalimu hakutaka kui-own Uganda. Aliwashauri wale waliotaka polisi wetu watoe mafunzo kwa polisi wa Uganda, waombe msaada wa Uingereza. Na aliharakisha kuondoa jeshi letu kule ili tusionekane we own Uganda. Do we today have the leadership ya calibre ya Mwalimu? em 2013/9/6 mngonge <mngonge@gmail.com> Kunyaranyara Sasa nimekuelewa vizuri na hata mimi nimekwishadokeza kwamba watu hutofautiana kimtazamo. Hata mimi kuonewa au kuonea sipendelei ila ni busara kupima ukubwa wa kuonewa. Pia inatubidi kuchagua njia za kujitetea baada ya kupima faida na hasara za njia hizo. Pamoja na utofauti wetu kimtizamo bado tunaweza kukubaliana katika mambo kadhaa ikiwemo kupima faida na hasara za muda mfupi na mrefu kama tutachagua kutumia njia fulani kujitetea. Wakati mwingine kukubaliana kutokubaliana ni resolution nzuri. Kwa mtizamo wangu mgogoro wa JK na PK ulikuwa haujafikia mahala pa kusema umeshindikana kumalizwa kidiplomasia na hivyo isingekuwa busara kukimbilia njia ya vita. Afterall kulikuwa na uonevu gani kwetu PK kukataa ushauri wa rais wetu JK? Kuhusu ako unakokaita kadigrii ka Manzese tena ka zamani nafikiri ukikaundermine unakaonea, japo sijajua hiyo ni zamani ya tangu lini. Lakini nijuavyo mimi miaka kama 15 na kuendelea iliyopita bado wahitimu walikuwa wanatumia nguvu zaidi kusoma na kufikiri kuliko sasa tunapotumia electronics. Kujua kutumia kompyuta kwa sana haina maana kwamba kompyuta zimereplace human brains la hasha. Pia ukumbuke waliokuwa wanachaguliwa kujiunga wakati huo walikuwa ni cream ya watu wachache walioendana na vyumba pamoja na vifaa vya kufundishia na kujifunzia. Ukiondoa mapenzi yako ya chama fulani mawazo yako huwa nayakubali sana na yanaonyesha kwamba kichwani mwako digrii imo. Cheers 2013/9/6 ezekiel kunyaranyara <ekunyaranyara@yahoo.co.uk> Mngonge   Ni bahati mbaya sana mtizamo wako wa mambo ni tofauti sana na ninavyotizama mimi. Na hivi ndivyo tulivyo binadamu wote. Kuwa tofauti kimtizamo lakini bado tukabakia wamoja ni sifa ambayo tunajaribu kuijenga hapa na baadaye kwamba kuwa tofauti katika kufikiri hakufanyi sisi kutokuwa watanzania. natamani sana hii iwe ni moja ya sifa za watanzania wa sasa na wajao.   Hoja yangu kama unasoma ndani ya mistari kwa kifupi sipendi kuonewa na sipendi kumuonea mtu hasa pale anapokuwa amesababisha shida kwa maslahi yake binafsi. Mimi siyo mbabe kama unavyojaribu kuweka hoja yako kudhani kwamba kwa JKkuzungumza na PK mimi nitakasirika, siko hivyo, huwa nakubali hata mitizamo ya wengine kama mimi nilivyo na misimamo tofauti na wao.   JK anazo njia nyingi za kupata habari na ushauri, na wengine ni wa kariba kubwa za kitaifa na kimataifa kuliko mimi mkulima na mtu niliyepata nafasi kidogo tu ya kaelimu ka chuo cha manzese enzi hizo. Nilichokuwa nafanya na bado naendelea kufanya ni kuchangia mawazo yangu. Niliwahi kusema watanzania wote hatuwezi kuwa na mtizamo wa aina moja kama ninyi mnavyotaka tuwe, eti mtu akiwa na mawazo tofauti kwenu ni balaa. Hii siyo, hata mapacha hutofautiana akili na uwezo wa kufikiri.   Hivi ndivyo nilivyo, siamui kwa haraka kama unavyodhani, nafikiri nikisema jambo nina uhakika nalo (kwa upande wangu).   Kwa hiyo kwa kifupi mimi sina tatizo na kilichofanyika kwa JK afterall alishauriwa na watu wengi aliwamo Ban-ki moon pia kuwa aongee na PK sembuse mimi mwenye mtizamo wa wafugaji na wavuvi.   Mwisho bado naamini vita kwa Rwanda ndio njia pekee ya kuondoa kadhia hii iliyopo na itakayokuja kama haitashughulikiwa kwa vizazi vijavyo. Unaweza kuahirisha kwa sasa lakini kama hata huo uchumi mnaousema hautakuwepo kama hakutakuwa na njia ya kudumu ya kuondosha shida na kadhia hii iliyopo kwa sasa.     K.E.M.S. From: ELISA MUHINGO <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com> Sent: Friday, 6 September 2013, 10:31 Subject: Re: RE: [wanabidii] Safari hii ya Goma ihitimishiwe Kigali Mimi siamini kama Kunyaranyara wanataka vita hasa. Cha msingi hapa si Jk kukutana na PK ila wameongea nini Siamini kama JK hakumwambia PK alimaanisha nini kumwambia aongee na FDLR. kwa hiyo walichoongea iwe isiwe siri ndocho muhimu. Hajamuudhi mtu kwa kukutana naye lakini kama amemuomba msamaha ametuudhi wengi. Hakuna anayependa vita. Hata anayelazimika kupigana anakuwa amelazimika. Moja kati ya mazingira yaliyopelekea watu kuona heri kwenda vitani ni mwelekeo wa PK na kuyasoma mazingira ya East DRC. yakiachiwa kuamuliwa na PK basi na tanzania tunakuwa watarajiwa wa mgogoro kama huo  miaka mingi ijayo. Hilo ndilo wengine wakaona heri kupigana leo kuliko miaka 50 ijayo maana hatujui silaha za wakati huo zitakuwa zinafananaje From: mngonge <mngonge@gmail.com> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 9:58 AM Subject: Re: RE: [wanabidii] Safari hii ya Goma ihitimishiwe Kigali Nafikiri JK jana katumia busara kuongea na PK kuepusha vita. Bila shaka JK kawaudhi sana akina Kunyaranyara kwa tukio hilo, maana wao wanachotaka vita. Sishangai sana maana kundi kama hili tunalo hata mitaani hata kwa kitu kidogo wao dawa wanaona ni kupigana tu. Tatizo ni pale wanajiamini na kuanzisha ugomvi ambao mwisho wake wanapigwa. Nawaomba akina Kunyaranyara watwambie hasara tutakazopata kwa hatua ya JK kuamua kuongea na PK badala ya kuwaamuru JWTZ kuwavurumishia risasi na mabomu Wanyarwanda On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM, denis Matanda <denis.matanda@gmail.com> wrote: Mungu apishilie mbali tusije ingia kwenye vita za kijinga kabisa................... 2013/9/5 ezekiel kunyaranyara <ekunyaranyara@yahoo.co.uk> Woga wao wanajikuta wanafanya kazi ya adui hawa bila kujua. Wasiwakatishe tamaa watu wengine. Hatuwezi kupigwa viboko bila sababu halafu tubakie tunalalamika eti tunaomba tuzungumze. Hata katika vitabu vyetu vya dini vinapiga vita woga. Hakuna njia ya mkato katika hili, msitukatisshe tamaa. 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