[wanabidii] Re: [PK] Former PM Raila Odinga to lead urgent CORD talks on International Criminal

KM,
"morale authority" is a queer expression which only exists, if it
does, in the undeveloped brain of Nelson Oreje! "moral authority", on
the other hand, is a well known, time tested and respected ENGLISH
expression proudly tracing its age-old origin to the Court of St.
James! Its "ordinary and natural meaning" can be had from an equally
respected book near you which passes by a comparably dignified name of
"ENGLISH Dictionary"!!!
See you when you STOP associating with the Nelson Oreje types!!!
Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.

On 10/29/13, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
> On morale authority, I have copied this email to Kenya online so that Wuod
> Lando can comment. Many years ago, he came up with the name authority as a
> politically correct term for ninio. His came from Kerio valley authority
> and several other related authorities and argued that since they are in
> different sizes-width and depth, it follows that ninios also come in
> different sizes. I now hear about morality and morale and so I assumed we
> are talking about those authorities.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nelson and Okil:
>> May I know the difference between morale authority and moral authority
>> and
>> how they relates to politics? I suspect the term political prostitution
>> has
>> something to do with Oreje's statement on political moral authority even
>> though prostitution and morale authority can be connected (as to when one
>> goes to a prostitute to seek morale authority?). Kizungu yangu ni kombo
>> kombo. MO, what do you think?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Nelson Oreje
>> <nelsonoreje@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> N what of political one?
>>> Only the paranoid survive
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com>
>>> Sender: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:37:32
>>> To: <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
>>> Reply-To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [PK] Former PM Raila Odinga to lead urgent CORD talks on
>>> International Criminal
>>>
>>> Nelson Oreje,
>>> "...morale authority..." i am sure i am without,
>>> but "MORAL authority" i am more than certain i have!!! There is a
>>> difference, you know!!!
>>> Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>>>
>>> On 10/29/13, Nelson Oreje <nelsonoreje@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Good analogy Okil, but, do u have the political if not morale
>>> > authority
>>> to
>>> > say so?
>>> > Only the paranoid survive
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com>
>>> > Sender: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>> > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:18:37
>>> > To: <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
>>> > Reply-To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [PK] Former PM Raila Odinga to lead urgent CORD talks on
>>> > International Criminal
>>> >
>>> > Ye All,
>>> > "CORD", really, especially the "ODM" PIECE, cannot possibly
>>> > have anything useful to contribute about The Hague saga! If they
>>> > could, suddenly, run into sane advice, they'd better be advised to
>>> > simply remain spectators at whatever unfolds out of The Hague! They
>>> > completely lost the plot in the course of their fatalistic gyrations
>>> > over what they hallucinated to be their "unstoppable" entry into State
>>> > House!!!
>>> >
>>> > Well, may be they have something to contribute! That is, to
>>> > demonstrate that their brain, or what they please to consider their
>>> > brain, is actually fatally infested with syphilitic hallucination!!!
>>> > Nyamodi
>>> > Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>>> >
>>> > On 10/28/13, Supershine Junior School <supershine_junior@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> That absolute nonsense!
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPad
>>> >>
>>> >> On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:55 PM, khaguli maurice <mkhaguli@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Abdi,
>>> >>> Kuria hated Raila and will continue hating Raila until his last
>>> >>> days.
>>> >>> Reason/s? FEAR of the unknown tribally(yaani, CORRUPTION
>>> >>> and............).
>>> >>> There's nothing KM can tell you why Uhuru the suspect is good for
>>> Kenya
>>> >>> but he will point all nonsense tribally to Raila and other tribes.
>>> Why?
>>> >>> he
>>> >>> believes he's a better citizen than other citizens in Kenya. This is
>>> the
>>> >>> typical problem KM's tribe has been cultivating for decades. In the
>>> >>> bigger
>>> >>> picture, we're patience and we will kick tribalism within Kikuyu
>>> >>> community
>>> >>> in style and at all costs-that is the truth!!
>>> >>> We stand to emphasize the truth, truth is one!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sunday, October 27, 2013 3:01 PM, Mohamedweli Abdi
>>> >>> <manderaeast@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Wa Mwangi,
>>> >>> Raila is smart polician. He will support the deferral and standby
>>> >>> Uhuruto
>>> >>> for the 2017 elections.
>>> >>> Uhuruto turned the 2013 election as referendum against ICC RAO is
>>> >>> pro
>>> >>> ICC
>>> >>> abd western stooge while all knew the fact RAO had nothing to do
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> Uhuruto at ICC. The nerve Kenyans bought the story. Since the
>>> >>> proceedings
>>> >>> started we found out RAO had nothing to do with taking this guys to
>>> >>> Hague.
>>> >>> This guys specially Ruto might end up in jail, here is a chance RAO
>>> to
>>> >>> make himself clean.
>>> >>> Lately Uhuru and Rao have being warming up to each other. Rao might
>>> >>> support Uhuruto and the AU agenda so he don't get blamed and meet
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> wrath of RV voters come 2017.
>>> >>> I guess the Rao I know will make a good decision.
>>> >>> Mohamed
>>> >>> On Oct 27, 2013 11:43 PM, "Kuria-Mwangi" <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Khaguli, MO, Rose, Nelson and other ODMers running your mouth on
>>> >>> this
>>> >>> issue. Tuswari:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Is Cord planning to support what you have been condemning or what is
>>> >>> likely to happen? If they support the deferral or call from ICC let
>>> Ruto
>>> >>> and Uhuru run the country as the case go on, or even worse still
>>> >>> take
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> Omwenga option calling for ICC to halt these cases, what are you
>>> >>> going
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> say? Are you ready to disown Raila and those who may take a "soft"
>>> stand
>>> >>> or you will keep quiet and assume that Raila cannot be wrong?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Could Raila be looking at 2017 and so will take a position which may
>>> not
>>> >>> antagonize the Kalenjin votes by taking a pro Western pro ICC
>>> >>> position
>>> >>> which calls for Ruto and Uhuru to be "detained" in Hague and spend
>>> time
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> that court watching the drama? You think Raila will make another
>>> >>> "mistake"
>>> >>> and call for Uhuru and Ruto to obey ICC and stay in that court day
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> day
>>> >>> out?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You guys still think Bensouda appeal forcing Ruto and Uhuru to sit
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> court throughout will be supported by Cord? You expect to be
>>> >>> watching
>>> >>> your
>>> >>> president chew njugu kalanga in court as witnesses run their their
>>> mouth
>>> >>> and you think Cord will support ICC 100% and criticize AU? I don't
>>> think
>>> >>> so but I have been wrong before especially in matters related to Rao
>>> >>> because he is as un predictable as Mbita weather. One time you are
>>> >>> sweating and feeling hot and then from nowhere, it rains cats and
>>> dogs.
>>> >>> You never know with Rao until he opens his mouth. He could again
>>> >>> call
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> Uhuru and Ruto to be in jail, detained at Hague. That is the Raila I
>>> >>> know.
>>> >>> But don't be surprised to hear him payuker the Gospel according to
>>> Saint
>>> >>> Omwenga....It is called being unpredictable...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Wapi tumaoni?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Former PM Raila Odinga to lead urgent CORD talks on International
>>> >>> Criminal
>>> >>> Court Updated Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 22:38 GMT +3
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Former PM and CORD co-principal Raila Odinga. The coalition will be
>>> >>> meeting Tuesday to adopt a common stand on the ICC cases. [Photo:
>>> >>> File/Standard]
>>> >>> By Alex Ndegwa and Geoffrey Mosoku
>>> >>> Nairobi, Kenya: Former Prime Minister and Coalition for Reforms and
>>> >>> Democracy co-principal Raila Odinga will Tuesday lead emergency
>>> >>> talks
>>> >>> involving opposition MPs over the ICC dilemma facing President Uhuru
>>> >>> Kenyatta.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The special sitting of the CORD leaders comes two weeks before
>>> President
>>> >>> Uhuru Kenyatta's scheduled appearance at The Hague-based court for
>>> >>> his
>>> >>> trial.
>>> >>> Discussions at the joint meeting of the National Executive Council,
>>> the
>>> >>> coalition's decision-making organ, and Parliamentary Group will
>>> >>> centre
>>> >>> on
>>> >>> the latest bi-partisan push by MPs to support the government's quest
>>> to
>>> >>> have the Kenyan ICC cases deferred.
>>> >>> Kenya, through an African Union-backed petition, has asked the UN
>>> >>> Security
>>> >>> Council to suspend the legal proceedings against Uhuru and his
>>> >>> deputy
>>> >>> William Ruto, citing threats to regional peace and security.
>>> >>> No common stand so far
>>> >>> Kenya lobbied its case at consultative meetings to rally the UNSC to
>>> >>> support the petition, which gained urgency after ICC judges last
>>> Friday
>>> >>> ruled Ruto must attend all his trial sessions and the prosecution
>>> >>> indicated it will press for a similar requirement for Uhuru who is
>>> >>> excused
>>> >>> from continuous attendance. Uhuru's trial starts November 12.
>>> >>> Raila confirmed that the CORD meeting scheduled for Nairobi will
>>> >>> deliberate on the latest efforts by a section of MPs from various
>>> >>> parties
>>> >>> to seek a common position over the issue that has divided the
>>> opposition
>>> >>> and ruling Jubilee alliance.
>>> >>> Speaking at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport on Saturday night on
>>> >>> arrival from a weeklong tour of the US, Raila said Tuesday's meeting
>>> >>> will
>>> >>> discuss the proposal and come up with a common position.
>>> >>> "We cannot give you our position now. We have called for a special
>>> >>> session
>>> >>> of the PG and NEC on Tuesday. It's after the meeting that we shall
>>> state
>>> >>> our position on the matter," said Raila, when asked about the
>>> >>> coalition's
>>> >>> views on ongoing talks.
>>> >>> Last week The Standard reported MPs from both coalitions were
>>> >>> working
>>> on
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> bi-partisan plan to shore up Kenya's bid to have the ICC cases
>>> >>> against
>>> >>> Uhuru and Ruto suspended.
>>> >>> At least 25 MPs initiated the talks "to provide a bi-partisan
>>> >>> backing"
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> the government's petition to the UNSC for deferral of the cases for
>>> one-
>>> >>> year. The MPs are pressing for an Inter-Party Parliamentary Group
>>> (IPPG)
>>> >>> forum to broker a deal on the ICC cases. Citing the AU-backed
>>> >>> petition
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> the UNSC, the MPs say it would be critical for Parliament to provide
>>> >>> bi-partisan backing for this process.
>>> >>> "A bi-partisan motion in this regard would send a strong message to
>>> the
>>> >>> UNSC that this is a national matter that enjoys broad domestic
>>> support,"
>>> >>> the document reads, citing the council acknowledged the Westgate
>>> terror
>>> >>> attack constituted a threat to international peace and security.
>>> >>> Justice for victims
>>> >>>
>>> >>> But the parliamentary initiative, according to a working document
>>> >>> seen
>>> >>> by
>>> >>> The Standard, acknowledges deferral only "postpones the problem" and
>>> is
>>> >>> exploring a "sustainable solution".
>>> >>> That includes establishing a domestic justice mechanism to petition
>>> the
>>> >>> ICC to refer the cases, compensation of victims and a truth
>>> >>> commission
>>> >>> on
>>> >>> the 2007 post-election violence.
>>> >>> The team led by ODM's Kitutu Chache South MP Richard Onyonka, claims
>>> its
>>> >>> motivation is "finding a Kenyan-driven solution to the ICC cases,
>>> >>> anchored
>>> >>> on ensuring justice for the victims, fostering national
>>> >>> reconciliation
>>> >>> while preserving Kenya's sovereignty and territorial integrity."
>>> >>> It is seen as an attempt to forge a bi-partisan resolution to
>>> >>> bolster
>>> >>> Kenya's petition to the UNSC, after the acrimonious fallout
>>> >>> following
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> Jubilee-backed resolution to end the country's membership of the
>>> >>> ICC.
>>> >>> CORD MPs walked out of National Assembly to protest the resolution
>>> that
>>> >>> was later also endorsed by the Senate.
>>> >>> Instructively, the new parliamentary initiative urges government not
>>> to
>>> >>> sever ties with ICC but press for reforms of the court at a meeting
>>> >>> of
>>> >>> State parties scheduled on November 20 to 28.
>>> >>> Reports indicate ICC will present a new investigations strategy to
>>> >>> respond
>>> >>> to weaknesses in evidence-gathering, among them collection of
>>> >>> evidence
>>> >>> by
>>> >>> intermediaries.
>>> >>> The AU has demanded that the UNSC takes a decision before November
>>> >>> 12,
>>> >>> when Uhuru's trial is due to start in The Hague. Ruto's trial
>>> >>> started
>>> >>> last
>>> >>> month and is due to take a break on November 1.
>>> >>> Misconduct by prosecution
>>> >>> In the petition pressing for the deferral of the Uhuru and Ruto
>>> >>> cases,
>>> >>> AU
>>> >>> argues the trials "will distract and prevent them from fulfilling
>>> their
>>> >>> constitutional responsibilities, including oversight of national and
>>> >>> regional security affairs."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Last Friday, Uhuru's lawyers applied to have his trial postponed to
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> date
>>> >>> after February 12 next year, to allow investigations into
>>> >>> allegations
>>> of
>>> >>> misconduct by the prosecution and for the president to address
>>> >>> "essential
>>> >>> duties of presidency arising from the terrorist attack in Nairobi
>>> >>> Westgate
>>> >>> shopping mall."
>>> >>> "At this current time, the commencement of the trial on 12 November
>>> when
>>> >>> Uhuru is required in Kenya for key meetings, consultations and
>>> >>> decision-making tasks, is not in the interests of either the
>>> >>> citizens
>>> of
>>> >>> Kenya or the international community," read the application by the
>>> >>> president's lawyers Steven Kay and Gillian Higgins.
>>> >>> An earlier application sought the stoppage of his trial.
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