Re: [wanabidii] RAIS KIKWETE ANAWEZA KUONDOKA KABLA YA CCM 2015

Nafurahi kwa majibu yako kaka Francis, ila naona kuna upungufu kama ifuatavyo:

1. Kamati ya bunge ilifanya ishu ya richmond kisiasa na sio kwa maslahi ya umma kama walivytaka tuwaamini kwa sababu Mh. Harison alisema kuna mambo waliyaficha hayakusemwa ili kulinda heshima ya serikali, wakasahau kuwa sisi watz ndo boss wa serikali kwa upande na maboss wao(bunge) kwa upande mwingine sasa wakatuasi kulinda heshima ya serikali kuliko heshima ya tuliowachagua na hata ukiangalia namna ilivyomalizwa bungeni ilikua aibu tu maana katika maazimio 21 maazimio makuu ni watuhumiwa waondolewe kazini na kufikishwa kwenye vyombo vya sheria je yalitekelezwa?? lakini siku mjadala huo unafungwa waliipongeza serikali eti imetekeleza maazimio hayo so utagundua kua ule mchezo ulikua umemlenga Lowasa tu hakuna kingine hapo.

2. Mbinu anazotumia EL kujinadi kiaina hata JK alitumia so hakuna jipya wala la ajabu hapo. JK mwenyewe aliwahi kusema aliposhindwa1995 aliendelea kujiandaa maana yake full time alikua akifanya maandalizi so kwa chama cha mapinduzi huo ni utaratibu wao wa kawaida tu.

3. Kama wewe kweli unafuatilia siasa za Tz, moja ya vikao vichache vya NEC CCM, Mzee Mkapa alilazimika kuingilia kati majukumu ya Mwenyekiti na kumzima EL hoja yake kwa kuwa haikua ajenda, je unajua EL alikua anaongelea kitu gani? Kama kweli EL aliingiza mkenge nchi kwenye richmnd mbona hajawajibishwa kisheria? nani anamwogopa EL? JE tuamini kuwa EL yupo juu ya sheria za nchi na ana nguvu kuliko mhimili wowote nchini? yaani Exective wamshindwe na mahakama bilabila?

Kwa hiyo unavyomtaja kuwa EL ni fisadi nambari 1 nchini kumbe unatumia scenario ya richmond tu?? huna nyingine?? kimsingi mimi nilikua nataka kujua hizo nisizo zijua ili nijue mantiki ya wewe kumuita huyo mzee Ngoyai fisadi nambari 1 nchini. Mwenzako nilikuaga na mawazo hayo kipindi kile anatema UPM bungeni nilimsema sana vibaya, kuna mtu alinionya kuwa unayemsema humjui na kweli nililpokuja kugundua kuwa kwenye richmond kuna wengi sikuona sababu ya kumuona EL adui wa watz kama ambavyo nilimuona mwanzo.

Kwa maneno unayotumia unaweza tafsirika tu kuwa una chuki binafsi na EL, kwa sababu wapo watu wanaouza unga hadi kulitia doa taifa letu katika duru za kimataifa je hao hujawaona? umewahi pata grand total figure ya hela zinazopotea kupitia mishahara hewa?? unajua namna hela zinavyoliwa halmashauri na kwenye miradi mingine wewe? unajua watu wanaotumia madaraka yao vibaya hata kuwatupa jela watu wasio na hatia wewe?? ila kwa hayo mengine unakua kipofu unamwona tu EL.

Sisemi EL ni safiiii no kwanza sisapoti hata chama chake, ila nimejifunza kuwa fare. Leo hii kuna wanasiasa ukiwascan wana miscandal mpaka unaogopa, ila nilijaribu kumfuatilia huyu EL je watz wanajua scandal zipi zinazomhusu?? wanasema Richmond tu hawajui nyingine, huenda zipo ila jamaa yuko smart, ila ni vema tukaongea vitu ambavo ni halisi sio mihemko na hisia. Pamoja na kwamba mm nasapoti gwanda bado EL anaweza akawa kiongozi wa nchi au 6, au mtu yeyote yule. Tuwajadili farely wanaostahili madongo piga dongo onesha sababu unayoijua kwa ukweli

On Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:39 PM, Francis Kasili <Francis.Kasili@nmbtz.com> wrote:

Flano

Kwa maoni yangu juu ya EL kuonekana muovu sana kuliko viongozi wote ni kuwa.

1) Tume ya Dr H.iliyotumwa kuchunguza suala zima la ule uharifu ilijiridhisha na kutoa taarifa ile katika chombo na mhimili mmojawapo muhimu sana katika nchi ambao ni BUNGE. cha zaidi hapa taarifa hizi zilimgusa moja kwa moja EL na wala hajapinga au kukata rufaa ili aseme ukweli anaoujua. Waswahili wanasema ya kuwa mkamatwa na ngozi ndiye mla nyama au mwizi. Hapa aliyeguswa na hili sakata baya sana EL amekamatwa na wala mpaka sasa hajaweza kujitoa humo alimotumbukia. Hivyo haihitaji sana mtu amsemee semeeeee, We need him to appear in the public and confess the truth. Without boldness as Tanzanians we shall always remain pressed down and no one will come to us for rescue.

2) Kiongozi huchagiliwa na wananchi kulingana na uhitaji wao toka kwa kiongozi huyo. Cha ajabu sana hapa huyu El anatafuta ushawishi wa haili ya juu sana kwa kutumia mbinu mia kidogo ili avute hisia za waTZ! japo hisia zangu hatazipata hata kidogo. Rejea baba wa taifa alisema nini hapa juu wa kiongozi kama huyu! Uko msemo usemao asiyesikia la mkuu huvunjika guu, au mzarau mwiba mguu huota tende. leo mambo mambo mengi aliyoonya Baba wa taifa Mwl J.K Nyerere ndiyo yanayotupata na kweli tunateseka. Think of ufisadi, udini na mengine mengiiiii!

NB; Unajua waTZ wengi ni wanafiki kwa sababu hawaishi kwa kutegemea akili zao ambazo wamejaliwa na MUNGU, na badala yake huishi kwa kutengenezewa akili za mgando na kuishi kwa kutegemea kuwafurahisha sana wenye nafasi zao. Pindi tukiondokana na akili mgando na kurusu potentials alizotuwekea MUNGU zijidhihirishe na kuwa majasiri kuwakataa waliodhalimu ndipo tutaweza kuwaona viongozi wazuri ambao watatutoa kutoka hatua moja na kwenda hatua nyingine.

Regards

F.Kasili

Mob: 0784850583 or 0755850583

Always darkness will never comprehend light

From: wanabidii@googlegroups.com [wanabidii@googlegroups.com] on behalf of flano mambo [flein47@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:48 AM
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] RAIS KIKWETE ANAWEZA KUONDOKA KABLA YA CCM 2015

Ni kweli kaka Francis, sikukurupuka bali i was moved by that statement ndo maana nikacomment. Ila kuna post nimeirusha sijui kama umeiona, nimeomba kuambiwa je kwa nini EL anaonekana ni mwovu kuliko viongozi wengine wa chama na serikali tangu awamu ya 2 hadi ya 4?

Mimi sipingi kuwa hajakosa, ila nasema ni kweli EL ni mtu mwovu nambari1 kama unavyotaka watu waamini?? hebu niambie mtu gani kati ya wagombea wenu watarajiwa wa CCM ambaye ni msafi sana?

On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 11:16 AM, Francis Kasili <Francis.Kasili@nmbtz.com> wrote:

Flano

Usikurupuke ndugu, bado swali langu halijajibiwa hapo chini. Na swala la thrown like a stone ni ushabiki usiokuwa na tija maana hapa hatutafuti nani mshindi bali tunajadili jambo mpaka ufike muafaka. Hold my tongue very correctly and not misperceive.

Regards

F.Kasili

Mob: 0784850583 or 0755850583

Always darkness will never comprehend light

From: wanabidii@googlegroups.com [wanabidii@googlegroups.com] on behalf of flano mambo [flein47@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 10:39 AM
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] RAIS KIKWETE ANAWEZA KUONDOKA KABLA YA CCM 2015

Big up Ngupula,
Nimependa unavyojenga na kutetea hoja, he was thrown like a dirty stone behold he is now discovered as a gold ore! ha ha haaaaaa safi sana.

On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 8:00 AM, Francis Kasili <Francis.Kasili@nmbtz.com> wrote:

Ngupula

Asante sana kwa mjadala mzuri sana usiokuwa na jazba maana hapa tunatafuta kujenga na sio kubomoa. wapo wengine wanatumia mijadala kama hii kupambana kama evanda na tyson wakati hapa tunatafuta kuijenga Tanzania tunayoitaka. Back to the point, Ndungu umesema Lowasa hatoi tu hela mfukoni mwake,bali anachokifanya ni mobilization ya watu kufanya jambo fulani linalohitaji fedha!! Well and good. Nina mifano hai Lowasa aliwahi kufanya changizo Mwanza, lakini kampani yake ni wale mafisadi wanaopanga bei za pamba kwa kuwakandamiza wakulima. Kwa nini kama kweli anadhamira ya kujiweka safi mbele ya uma asijihusishe kutetea maeneo ya ukandamizaji kwa kusaidia disavantaged groups kama wakulima wadogowadogo? Maana hapo hata kundi la pamoja na mimi atakuwa amenikuna kikweli. Yesu Kristo hakumuonea haya mtu yeyote aliye mess up! aliwahi kumkemea Petro japo kibinfsi alikuwa kati ya wanafunzi waliokuwa karibu naye sana! Hivyo EL afanye the same kwa hawa marafikize wenye mtazamo hasi kwa wananchi. Ki binafsi napenda kiongozi atakayetuongoza TZ awe na mtazamo chanya juu ya taifa letu ambalo limebaki mikononi mwa walaji wachache muda mrefu huku tukitegemea misaada kwa kila kitu wakati resources tulizonazo zinatutosheleza kujikimu wenyewe na kupata aridhi yenye asali na maziwa hapahapa TZ bila kukimbilia US, UK na kwingineko kwingi.

Mungu Ibariki TZ na watu wake.

Regards

F.Kasili

Mob: 0784850583 or 0755850583

Always darkness will never comprehend light

From: wanabidii@googlegroups.com [wanabidii@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Godfrey Ngupula [ngupula@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 10:48 PM
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] RAIS KIKWETE ANAWEZA KUONDOKA KABLA YA CCM 2015

bwana Francis,duh,bado kazi kweli kweli..Kama hivyo ndivyo umenielewa basi umenielewa vibaya,nafikiri ndio maana kuwa hata haumuelewi Lowasa.

Sijasema kuwa watanzania wako tayari kuongozwa na hata mwizi kwa kuwa zama hizi ni za uwazi na pia sijasema kuwa hela chafu ikitolewa kanisani au msikitini basi inakuwa safi..

Nimesema hivi,watazania hawatazamii "the so called nabii" ndio aje awaongoze..the so called nabii anaweza kuwa ni jamaa fulani asiye na "values" au "Dignity" fulani fulani,lakini tu kwa kuwa amekuwa "blanketed somewhere" let us say wizara ya mambo ya nje hapo,basi anaonekana kuwa safi...Usafi wa kiongozi wanayemtaka watanzania sasa ni yule ambaye "they thought was a dirty stone" wakaamua kumtupa katika moto...at the end "they came to understand that actually,it was not just a dirty stone,but a gold ore"...then consciously they pick the ore and get the gold in it while at the same time discarding the other accompanying minerals..

By that I meant,watanzania kwa sasa watahitaji mtu mwenye uwezo wa kuwasaidia kufika somewhere...Hivyo basi,wako tayari kuthamini uwezo huo wa kusaidiwa kuliko haya yanayodhaniwa kuwa madhaifu....naomba if you don't understand this,then go and pray...

Pia nikasema,watu wengine wanahoji usafi wa hela za Lowasa eti kwa kuwa tu yeye kazitoa kanisani na misikitini..swali langu likawa,hizo zao safi wamezitoa wapi?sikupata jibu..mimi ninachojua kundi hili la watu wanaohoji usafi wa hela za lowasa,ni hofu na wivu tu ndio unaowasumbua..Je ni nani asiyejua kuwa Lowasa hatoi tu hela mfukoni mwake,bali anachokifanya ni mobilization ya watu kufanya jambo fulani linalohitaji fedha?...Halafu pia,ni nani asiyejua kuwa Lowasa ni mfanyabiashara tangia enzi za mwalimu? Ni ajabu ipi yeye kutoa shilingi hata milioni 300 za kitanzania akipenda na kama anazo?...ok,haijalishi,wengi hata wamemhoji yeye mwenyewe,na jibu lake ni hili "sina hela bali nina watu" so far katika harambee zake ni kipi kigumu kuelewa katika hilo?

Eti inasemekana Lowasa ndiye fisadi namba moja Tanzania, who has ranked him that? Je ni serikali ya Tanzania? au mahakama? au wingi wa kesi zenye kumshitaki mahakamani?...Who has said that? Mawazo ya kizamani ya kufikiria kuwa umasikini ndio usafi wa uongozi,pia yamepitwa na wakati,we are not in that era..Yeyote anayedhani ana haki ya kumtuhumu Lowasa aende mahakamani akafanye hivyo,otherwise hizo ni fikra binafsi na hazina mashiko...

Binafsi nina mfananisha Lowasa na mtume Paul..ambaye before that alikuwa akiitwa Saul..Wakati wanadamu walikuwa wakimuogopa kama mtu muuaji na asiyefaa,Mungu alimuona ni mtume mzuri pengine hata kuzidi mitume wengine..na akamfanya kuwa mtume.

The motive behind ya utoaji wa Lowasa,je si ya kuingia ikulu?

Wewe uliyeuliza swali hili,naomba nikuulize swali pia NINI ILIKUWA MOTIVE YA JESUS KATIKA KUTENDA MIUJIZA MINGI KIASI KILE?. kama hutakuwa na jibu basi jibu ni rahisi sana...aliwapenda watu na alitaka watu wamuamini ili aweze kuwakomboa...Then if that is the case,what is wrong kwa Lowasa kutoa kama anavyotoa kama ANAWAPENDA WATU na anataka watu wamuamini ili aweze kuwasaidia?...

Ngupula

On Tuesday, 29 October 2013, 21:22, George Kinyashi <georgekiny@yahoo.com> wrote:

Huu utabiri mmeuona,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ufUj4E-vVk&feature=youtube_gdata

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:14 PM, Francis Kasili <Francis.Kasili@nmbtz.com> wrote:

Lesian

Punguza kwanza jazba kwa kusema sijui jukwaa la bure! haya ni maoni yangu yapaswa yaheshimiwe. Naomba na wewe toa maoni pasipo kuacha njia kwa kushambulia. Hata hivyo binafsi simchukii EL wala kama unavyosema chuki binafsi bali nachukia ufisadi wake pamoga na tabia za kundi lake. mojawapo ya hoja yangu ni kuwa anatoa wapi hiyo mlolongo ya mipesa! kwanza ndiye sababu la deni la TANESCO na ndiye mtuhumiwa namba moja wa ufisadi TZ na wala huhitaji kuuliza sana maan wa TZ wengi wanjua japo bado wengi hawajajitambua maana wameridhika na mfumo mchafu uliopo.

Regards

F.Kasili

Mob: 0784850583 or 0755850583

Always darkness will never comprehend light

From: wanabidii@googlegroups.com [wanabidii@googlegroups.com] on behalf of lesian mollel [aramakurias@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 5:00 PM
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] RAIS KIKWETE ANAWEZA KUONDOKA KABLA YA CCM 2015

Hivi wewe kusali ukiambia peleka ushahid wako wa uchafu wa mh ENL utapeleka? au unaongea tu kwa kua una jukwaa la bure, na pengine nikuuulize unaemwona wewe msafi hapa Tanzania kuanzia waliopo madaaani, vyama vya cuf, chadema au nccr umtaje? nyinyi mnaongea tuuuuuu bila ushahidi, any way, lowasa kuchangisha makanisani zile pesa kaka zinabaki kule kuendleza kaz ya injili ni si kua anazibeba, na yeye hua hatoi na kutokanana na ushawishi alionayo na marafiki zake wanamsaidia.

huo ndio uongozi mzee, kiongozi lazima ajue namna ya kutafuta source za pesa za kuendeleza nchi, makanisa, misikii na hata jamii kwa ujumla....nenda monduli ukapate darasa huyu olaigwanani anachofanya kule, si lazima utoe hela mfukoni kwako.

Wewew una huki tu....hutoi sababu za kumchukia hy kiongozi. Halafu niwaase tu ktk kumupima mtu mpime ktk pande 2 uone hasara ndio kubwa au faida, ndivyo unavyotakiwa kutoa judgement, ww kusali unashambulia bila logical point hapa.....wale wanaojua kupima watakueleza tu....

mimi sipedi kumhukumu mtu kwa yale mabaya yake ila napenda aidi pia kuangalia azuri yake na vision yake

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 4:41 PM, Francis Kasili <Francis.Kasili@nmbtz.com> wrote:

Mheshima Ngupula

Dhana halisi kama nimekusoma vizuri umesema, uko tayari kuongozwa na hata mwizi maadamu nyakati hizi ni za za uwazi! Hapa unashindwa kuadress dhana kamaili ya kwa nini EL achangishe na kuchangia pesa huko makanisani na misikitini? kuna nini nyuma ya pazia?????? Point inakwepwa sana ambayo ni ya kuusaka urahisi wa TZ, Maana kwa uelewa wangu swala la utoaji huku ukitegemea kupokea hapa duniani ni kupoteza na wala hupati thawabu kwa Mungu. Kwa ulivyosema hata kama hela ni chafu maadamu zinafanya kazi ya Mungu huko pia ni kupotosha ukweli wa mambo, kwani kwa mujibu wa utambulisho wako kama mme wa mama mchungaji unafahamu ukweli kuwa Mungu huwa haridhii sadaka isiyokuwa safi maana huwezi kumhonga. Kumbuka sadaka ya Mfalme Sauli ilikataliwa kwa sababu alikuwa mkaidi na hata Nabii samuel alipomlilia sana bado Mungu alimkataa kwa sababu hiyo ya kutokutii kwake. Binafsi naona sadaka hii ya EL bora isipokelewe kwenye nyumba hizi za ibada kwani si safi na inachafua madhabahu pia ni machukizo mbele za Mungu. Ni maombi yangu Mungu atufungue macho katika hili kwani tutakuja juta mbeleni kwa kutokusikia ya wakuu kama Nyerere aliyewahi kusema Ikulu si pa kukumbilia wala kupigia marathoni kwa gharama ya pesa. Wa TZ tunatakiwa kubadilisha mtazamo na kuchukua maamuzi magumu ili tuweze kutoka kwenye hili dimbwi la ufisadi na kuchagua viongozi wenye kukubalika na wenye utayari kupinga mifimo dume iliyopo sasa.

Together we can if we stand firm!!!!

Regards

F.Kasili

Mob: 0784850583 or 0755850583

Always darkness will never comprehend light

From: wanabidii@googlegroups.com [wanabidii@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Godfrey Ngupula [ngupula@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 1:25 PM
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] RAIS KIKWETE ANAWEZA KUONDOKA KABLA YA CCM 2015

Sorry kaka Elisa for my blind mistake made to your name to call you dada, I guess that is not fair...I thank God that you are a perfect energetic man,otherwise,probably this would have been an issue. As suggested by HK, I thought I was sure even not to consider the precautions...It is with no doubts that is unconditionally forgivable...

However, as regards to the so called clean or dirty money to God affairs , I think it is wise to respect your perceptions.... but to my understanding and with all confidence,nawashukuru sana wote ambao kwa namna moja au nyingine wamesaidia kwa resourses zao na wao wenyewe kuongeza nguvu katika kuujenga ufalme wa Mungu...Hakika wanaweza kusahaulika au wasishukuriwe katika kizazi hiki,lakini daima dumu watakumbukwa..Kama Gadaffi anakumbukwa kwa kusaidia kujenga nyumba za ibada hata nje ya mipaka ya nchi yake,hata wao watakumbukwa pia..Nawaombeni, msikatishwe tamaa na wanaoita hela zenu ni chafu wakati hizo wanazozani ni safi za kwao zinaozea mifukoni mwao,songeni mbele bila kuangalia pembeni au nyuma... Ngupula

On Monday, 28 October 2013, 17:58, "hkigwangalla@gmail.com" <hkigwangalla@gmail.com> wrote:

Ngupu, kwani Elisa ni wa kike? Mbona wamu-address kama dadako? Kama humjui mtu personally ni ustaarabu kumu-address kwa Surname yake na kwa kumuita 'Ndg.' badala ya kuchanganya habari namna hii!
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Vodacom Tanzania

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From: "ngupula@yahoo.co.uk" <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: RE: [wanabidii] RAIS KIKWETE ANAWEZA KUONDOKA KABLA YA CCM 2015

Duh,dadangu muhingo,sasa hayo mambo ya uwaziri yanatoka wapi? It seems kumbe tunapozungumzia yanayodhaniwa mabaya ya lowasa lengo lake ni kupigia debe mtu mwingine...am not in that business ma sista? My bible teaches me that 'you must not judge,if that must be,then judge rightously'...lowasa is right,ameamua kutumia vyake kwa raha zake,aachwe..je,angeamua kuongeza idadi ya wake zake na kila mmoja kumjengea magorofa 2 na bmw 2 za kutembelea mngehoji kama hizo hela ni za madawa ya kulevya?....kwa mtazamo wangu,yeyote anayempinga lowasa ktk hili ni wivu wake na hofu tu..kama kutoa ni umaarufu na mtaji kisiasa,naye atoe ktk alivyonavyo kwan kutoa ni moyo na si utajiri...ninawasih watazania wote,toeni ktk mlivyonavyo ili kazi ya Mungu isonge mbele..ni aibu sana sisi kuishi kwenye majumba mazuri na mahari pa kuabudia ni makuti na viti vya kukalia ni matofali kana kwamba hakuna watz wenye hela..hatumtendei haki Mungu hata kidogo..mi mwenzenu nina uchungu sana ktk hili kwani mke wangu ni mchungaji,kiwanja cha kanisa kimeazimwa na kanisa letu ni la makuti tu...ndio maana nasema mitazamo mengne is just lack of understanding,mnahitaji kusamehewa bure..ngupula
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Sent: 27/10/2013, 11:47 pm
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
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Sasa nimeelewa. katika kuhakikisha malengo ya kipuuzi yanatimia hatuhitaji kujiuliza mtu huyu anapata hela wapi iwe amepewa na wajomba watakaotaka kutuibia akiingia Ikulu au za madawa ya kulevya, ili mradi anachangia makanisa na misikiti. Unafaa kuwa waziri wake wa nidhamu

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To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 11:14 PM
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TRA nafikiri kazo yao ni kukusanya kodi ya mapato ya mtu..hawana ruksa hata kidogo kuja kumuuliza mtu wakati anatumia pesa yake eti hela hiyo imelipiwa kodi? Ujinga mkubwa itakuwa ni kuhoji hela mtu ambayo anaitoa kwa ajili ya jamii..nafikiri ndio maana TRA ndio maana hawakuwa na majibu..maswali kama hayo busara ni kupotezea tu..ngupula
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Ngulupa humu kuna vipofu wengi.
Wako wasiotofautisha kati ya kuchangia na kuchangisha. Yaani mtu kila kukicha wakati anachangisha anachangia milioni ishirini, hqmsini, kumi. Ukiuliza TRA kama zimelipiwa kodi hukuti jibu sahihi. Watu waliotiwa upofu hawaoni hilo wanaona anachangisha tu Na hao ni vipofu ila sikujua kama ulimaanisha hao

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Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:17 PM
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] RAIS KIKWETE ANAWEZA KUONDOKA KABLA YA CCM 2015

Watanzania ni wepesi sana kujua unachoshindwa na wako tayari hata kupoteza miaka 5 kuzungumzia madhaifu yako..lakini kamwe hawawezi kujisumbua kuangalia unaweza nini na wafanyaje kukusaidia uwasaidie...leo hii mtu mwenye akili zake timamu analaumu waziwazi lowassa kusaidia kuchangisha fedha ili kusaidia kujenga nyumba za ibada na nk..eti anaita huko nako ni ufisadi..kimsingi mtu huyu ni mpofu wa kiroho na upeo wake kisiasa ni of single dimension..hajui dini zina sehemu gani ktk maisha ya mtanzania na mustakali wa taifa..haelewi pia changamoto za dini nyingi ni nini na nini kifanyike ktk taifa hili ktk changamoto hizo... Haishangazi,hata Yesu alipokuwa anahubiri ufalme wa Mungu,wengine walimuona ni mkombozi,wengine walimuona hatari..mimi kauli yangu ni hii HAKUNA YEYOTE ATAYESHINDA KITI CHA URAIS TZ 2015 KWA KUJIFICHAFICHA. Tuliyafanya makosa hayo 2005 tukamchagua tuliyedhani tunamjua kumbe hatukumjua..the coming election,watz tuko tayari kuongozwa hata
na mwizi kama ana uwezo wa kutusaidia..kuliko kumchagua tunayedhani ni mbwa kumbe ni simba au panya..ngupula
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From: ELISA MUHINGO
Sent: 27/10/2013, 12:20 pm
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] RAIS KIKWETE ANAWEZA KUONDOKA KABLA YA CCM 2015

Lakini Yona
Kikwete kama unavyosema Katabiri.
Kutabiri si kulaani. Kutabiri ni kusema kesho mvua itanyesha na ikinyesha si wewe uliileta. La. Uliona dalili. hapo haitegemewi kumpiga madongo aliyetabiri ila ni mwenye akili kushika mwavuli.
Kuanguka kwa CCM kunaelekea kufikia hatua ya kutoepukika na wala shida si Kikwete anayemaliza muda wake bali wanaotaka kuingia. Habari za wahuni kugawa rushwwa kwa Makatibu wa wilaya na mikoa hazijakanushwa na wala hakuzigawa JK. Kumshughulikia JK ni ujinga wa hali ya kuelekea upumbavu nmaana anaondoka kweli. Iwe 2015, 2014 au 1016 lakini anaondoka. Watanzania wanaweza kuvumilia madhaifu yake maana anamaliza muda na umebaki mfupi. Watanzania wanamuogopa huyo anayesambaza hela makanisani, misikitini, Jumuia za chama chake na sasa makatibu wa mikoa na wilaya. Huyo ni mmbaya zaidi na kama JK anawasaidia waTanzania kumuepuka tunamshukuru sana. Chama chetu kikimuangusha waTanzania tutamdaka na kumuweka chini asivunjike

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From: Yona Maro <oldmoshi@gmail.com>
To: wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>; Wanazuoni <wanazuoni@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 10:20 AM
Subject: [wanabidii] RAIS KIKWETE ANAWEZA KUONDOKA KABLA YA CCM 2015

Ndugu zangu

Nimesoma habari kadhaa asubuhi ya leo vikikariri kauli ya rais kikwete ambaye ni mwenyekiti wa ccm kwamba ccm inaweza kuongoka mwaka 2015 .

Kauli hii nyepesi haiwezi kupita hivi hivi bila kuambiana ukweli .

Huyu raisi kikwete anayeitabiria CCM kuanguka mwaka 2015 anaweza kuanguka yeye mwenyewe aondolewe kwa kuondolewa kwenye nafasi ya mwenyekiti wa CCM taifa na rais wa Jamhuri kwa ujumla tena na wabunge wake wenyewe maana amechangia zao la CCM la sasa yeye kama mwenyekiti hata kama ameifanyia nini CCM na TAIFA kwa ujumla .

Tunakumbuka kuanzia mwaka 1995 alipokatazwa kugombea urais na wakubwa wa CCM alianza kutengeneza mtandao wa kumwingiza madarakani mwaka 2005 – Kwenye mbio hizi tunaona propaganda na ubaguzi uliotumika dhidi ya wana CCM wenzake haswa salim ahmed Salim aliyeitwa Majina ya kibaguzi baguzi .

Mwaka 2005 kuelekea 2010 rafiki yake kipenzi aliachia ngazi kama waziri mkuu kesi hiyo mpaka leo haijulikani iliishia wapi na hakuna mtu aliyefikishwa mahakamani au hata kusikia ameshinda au kushinda kesi .

Mwaka 2010 makundi ambayo yaliasisiwa na kikwete mwenyewe yanaendelea kimpango wao , baadhi yao walienda kuanzisha chama cha CCJ lakini wakaacha baada ya kupewa uwaziri na nafasi nyingine ndani ya CCM ,ubaguzi ule ulioanza miaka hiyo unaendelea kutafuna ndani ya CCM na Taifa kwa ujumla .

Mwalimu JK – Bila CCM imara nchi itayumba

Na ndio sasa tunaona CCM Si imara kama ilivyokuwepo miaka kadhaa iliyopita sasa hivi nchi inayumba kuanzia ubaguzi wa kidini , mkoa , ukabila , uchama na rangi yote haya yamekuwa ni fahari kwa baadhi ya makundi ya watanzania kuongelea na kusifiana .

MCHAKATO WA KATIBA

Mara kadhaa rais kikwete amekutana na viongozi wa vyama vya upinzani ikulu kwake yeye na kwa wenzake wanaomshauri vibaya anaona Sifa na ni democrasia kitu ambacho sio kwamba amekubali kusaliti CCM yake kwa vyama vya Upinzani huko Ukulu .

Hivi vyama vya upinzani viliondoka vyenyewe bungeni kwa kususa na waliobaki walipiga kura kwa kukubaliana sasa iweje rais ambaye ni mweyekiti wa chama kilichopigia kura rasimu bungeni awaite na wabadilishe mambo ina maana hakubaliani na ule wingi wa wabunge wake ?

MWISHO .
Nasema na nasisitiza kwamba kabla ya mwaka 2015 rais kikwete anaweza kungoka yeye mwenyewe kwa kupigiwa kura ya kutokuwa na imani naye na wabunge wake mwenyewe ndani ya bunge kama akiendelea na hizi tabia tabia zake .

Tunashukuru kwa yale aliyoyatendea taifa hili lakini kwa hali ilivyosasa hivi yeye ashike nafasi yake la sivyo yeye ndio ataondoka ikulu kwa aibu

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