Mig. Oreje:
I feel horrible that you believe that supporting Mig. Raila for whatever reason is the right thing to do, without questioning the underlying commitment to his ideals and concomitant love for national development including improving the lives of all, not his ascendancy to power at all costs ? Awuoro!
Wuodi.
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 6:22 AM, Nelson Oreje <nelsonoreje@gmail.com> wrote:
Okil, see u when u STOP associating with UK n the lords of impunity of which ur a purveyor
Only the paranoid survive
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Reply-To: wanakenya@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PK] Former PM Raila Odinga to lead urgent CORD talks on
International Criminal
KM,
"morale authority" is a queer expression which only exists, if it
does, in the undeveloped brain of Nelson Oreje! "moral authority", on
the other hand, is a well known, time tested and respected ENGLISH
expression proudly tracing its age-old origin to the Court of St.
James! Its "ordinary and natural meaning" can be had from an equally
respected book near you which passes by a comparably dignified name of
"ENGLISH Dictionary"!!!
See you when you STOP associating with the Nelson Oreje types!!!
Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.
On 10/29/13, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
> On morale authority, I have copied this email to Kenya online so that Wuod
> Lando can comment. Many years ago, he came up with the name authority as a
> politically correct term for ninio. His came from Kerio valley authority
> and several other related authorities and argued that since they are in
> different sizes-width and depth, it follows that ninios also come in
> different sizes. I now hear about morality and morale and so I assumed we
> are talking about those authorities.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Nelson and Okil:
>> May I know the difference between morale authority and moral authority
>> and
>> how they relates to politics? I suspect the term political prostitution
>> has
>> something to do with Oreje's statement on political moral authority even
>> though prostitution and morale authority can be connected (as to when one
>> goes to a prostitute to seek morale authority?). Kizungu yangu ni kombo
>> kombo. MO, what do you think?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Nelson Oreje
>> <nelsonoreje@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> N what of political one?
>>> Only the paranoid survive
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com>
>>> Sender: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 12:37:32
>>> To: <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
>>> Reply-To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [PK] Former PM Raila Odinga to lead urgent CORD talks on
>>> International Criminal
>>>
>>> Nelson Oreje,
>>> "...morale authority..." i am sure i am without,
>>> but "MORAL authority" i am more than certain i have!!! There is a
>>> difference, you know!!!
>>> Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>>>
>>> On 10/29/13, Nelson Oreje <nelsonoreje@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Good analogy Okil, but, do u have the political if not morale
>>> > authority
>>> to
>>> > say so?
>>> > Only the paranoid survive
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com>
>>> > Sender: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>> > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 16:18:37
>>> > To: <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
>>> > Reply-To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [PK] Former PM Raila Odinga to lead urgent CORD talks on
>>> > International Criminal
>>> >
>>> > Ye All,
>>> > "CORD", really, especially the "ODM" PIECE, cannot possibly
>>> > have anything useful to contribute about The Hague saga! If they
>>> > could, suddenly, run into sane advice, they'd better be advised to
>>> > simply remain spectators at whatever unfolds out of The Hague! They
>>> > completely lost the plot in the course of their fatalistic gyrations
>>> > over what they hallucinated to be their "unstoppable" entry into State
>>> > House!!!
>>> >
>>> > Well, may be they have something to contribute! That is, to
>>> > demonstrate that their brain, or what they please to consider their
>>> > brain, is actually fatally infested with syphilitic hallucination!!!
>>> > Nyamodi
>>> > Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>>> >
>>> > On 10/28/13, Supershine Junior School <supershine_junior@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> That absolute nonsense!
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPad
>>> >>
>>> >> On Oct 27, 2013, at 9:55 PM, khaguli maurice <mkhaguli@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Abdi,
>>> >>> Kuria hated Raila and will continue hating Raila until his last
>>> >>> days.
>>> >>> Reason/s? FEAR of the unknown tribally(yaani, CORRUPTION
>>> >>> and............).
>>> >>> There's nothing KM can tell you why Uhuru the suspect is good for
>>> Kenya
>>> >>> but he will point all nonsense tribally to Raila and other tribes.
>>> Why?
>>> >>> he
>>> >>> believes he's a better citizen than other citizens in Kenya. This is
>>> the
>>> >>> typical problem KM's tribe has been cultivating for decades. In the
>>> >>> bigger
>>> >>> picture, we're patience and we will kick tribalism within Kikuyu
>>> >>> community
>>> >>> in style and at all costs-that is the truth!!
>>> >>> We stand to emphasize the truth, truth is one!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sunday, October 27, 2013 3:01 PM, Mohamedweli Abdi
>>> >>> <manderaeast@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Wa Mwangi,
>>> >>> Raila is smart polician. He will support the deferral and standby
>>> >>> Uhuruto
>>> >>> for the 2017 elections.
>>> >>> Uhuruto turned the 2013 election as referendum against ICC RAO is
>>> >>> pro
>>> >>> ICC
>>> >>> abd western stooge while all knew the fact RAO had nothing to do
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> Uhuruto at ICC. The nerve Kenyans bought the story. Since the
>>> >>> proceedings
>>> >>> started we found out RAO had nothing to do with taking this guys to
>>> >>> Hague.
>>> >>> This guys specially Ruto might end up in jail, here is a chance RAO
>>> to
>>> >>> make himself clean.
>>> >>> Lately Uhuru and Rao have being warming up to each other. Rao might
>>> >>> support Uhuruto and the AU agenda so he don't get blamed and meet
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> wrath of RV voters come 2017.
>>> >>> I guess the Rao I know will make a good decision.
>>> >>> Mohamed
>>> >>> On Oct 27, 2013 11:43 PM, "Kuria-Mwangi" <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Khaguli, MO, Rose, Nelson and other ODMers running your mouth on
>>> >>> this
>>> >>> issue. Tuswari:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Is Cord planning to support what you have been condemning or what is
>>> >>> likely to happen? If they support the deferral or call from ICC let
>>> Ruto
>>> >>> and Uhuru run the country as the case go on, or even worse still
>>> >>> take
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> Omwenga option calling for ICC to halt these cases, what are you
>>> >>> going
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> say? Are you ready to disown Raila and those who may take a "soft"
>>> stand
>>> >>> or you will keep quiet and assume that Raila cannot be wrong?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Could Raila be looking at 2017 and so will take a position which may
>>> not
>>> >>> antagonize the Kalenjin votes by taking a pro Western pro ICC
>>> >>> position
>>> >>> which calls for Ruto and Uhuru to be "detained" in Hague and spend
>>> time
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> that court watching the drama? You think Raila will make another
>>> >>> "mistake"
>>> >>> and call for Uhuru and Ruto to obey ICC and stay in that court day
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> day
>>> >>> out?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You guys still think Bensouda appeal forcing Ruto and Uhuru to sit
>>> >>> in
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> court throughout will be supported by Cord? You expect to be
>>> >>> watching
>>> >>> your
>>> >>> president chew njugu kalanga in court as witnesses run their their
>>> mouth
>>> >>> and you think Cord will support ICC 100% and criticize AU? I don't
>>> think
>>> >>> so but I have been wrong before especially in matters related to Rao
>>> >>> because he is as un predictable as Mbita weather. One time you are
>>> >>> sweating and feeling hot and then from nowhere, it rains cats and
>>> dogs.
>>> >>> You never know with Rao until he opens his mouth. He could again
>>> >>> call
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> Uhuru and Ruto to be in jail, detained at Hague. That is the Raila I
>>> >>> know.
>>> >>> But don't be surprised to hear him payuker the Gospel according to
>>> Saint
>>> >>> Omwenga....It is called being unpredictable...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Wapi tumaoni?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Former PM Raila Odinga to lead urgent CORD talks on International
>>> >>> Criminal
>>> >>> Court Updated Sunday, October 27th 2013 at 22:38 GMT +3
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Former PM and CORD co-principal Raila Odinga. The coalition will be
>>> >>> meeting Tuesday to adopt a common stand on the ICC cases. [Photo:
>>> >>> File/Standard]
>>> >>> By Alex Ndegwa and Geoffrey Mosoku
>>> >>> Nairobi, Kenya: Former Prime Minister and Coalition for Reforms and
>>> >>> Democracy co-principal Raila Odinga will Tuesday lead emergency
>>> >>> talks
>>> >>> involving opposition MPs over the ICC dilemma facing President Uhuru
>>> >>> Kenyatta.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The special sitting of the CORD leaders comes two weeks before
>>> President
>>> >>> Uhuru Kenyatta's scheduled appearance at The Hague-based court for
>>> >>> his
>>> >>> trial.
>>> >>> Discussions at the joint meeting of the National Executive Council,
>>> the
>>> >>> coalition's decision-making organ, and Parliamentary Group will
>>> >>> centre
>>> >>> on
>>> >>> the latest bi-partisan push by MPs to support the government's quest
>>> to
>>> >>> have the Kenyan ICC cases deferred.
>>> >>> Kenya, through an African Union-backed petition, has asked the UN
>>> >>> Security
>>> >>> Council to suspend the legal proceedings against Uhuru and his
>>> >>> deputy
>>> >>> William Ruto, citing threats to regional peace and security.
>>> >>> No common stand so far
>>> >>> Kenya lobbied its case at consultative meetings to rally the UNSC to
>>> >>> support the petition, which gained urgency after ICC judges last
>>> Friday
>>> >>> ruled Ruto must attend all his trial sessions and the prosecution
>>> >>> indicated it will press for a similar requirement for Uhuru who is
>>> >>> excused
>>> >>> from continuous attendance. Uhuru's trial starts November 12.
>>> >>> Raila confirmed that the CORD meeting scheduled for Nairobi will
>>> >>> deliberate on the latest efforts by a section of MPs from various
>>> >>> parties
>>> >>> to seek a common position over the issue that has divided the
>>> opposition
>>> >>> and ruling Jubilee alliance.
>>> >>> Speaking at Jomo Kenyatta International Airport on Saturday night on
>>> >>> arrival from a weeklong tour of the US, Raila said Tuesday's meeting
>>> >>> will
>>> >>> discuss the proposal and come up with a common position.
>>> >>> "We cannot give you our position now. We have called for a special
>>> >>> session
>>> >>> of the PG and NEC on Tuesday. It's after the meeting that we shall
>>> state
>>> >>> our position on the matter," said Raila, when asked about the
>>> >>> coalition's
>>> >>> views on ongoing talks.
>>> >>> Last week The Standard reported MPs from both coalitions were
>>> >>> working
>>> on
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> bi-partisan plan to shore up Kenya's bid to have the ICC cases
>>> >>> against
>>> >>> Uhuru and Ruto suspended.
>>> >>> At least 25 MPs initiated the talks "to provide a bi-partisan
>>> >>> backing"
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> the government's petition to the UNSC for deferral of the cases for
>>> one-
>>> >>> year. The MPs are pressing for an Inter-Party Parliamentary Group
>>> (IPPG)
>>> >>> forum to broker a deal on the ICC cases. Citing the AU-backed
>>> >>> petition
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> the UNSC, the MPs say it would be critical for Parliament to provide
>>> >>> bi-partisan backing for this process.
>>> >>> "A bi-partisan motion in this regard would send a strong message to
>>> the
>>> >>> UNSC that this is a national matter that enjoys broad domestic
>>> support,"
>>> >>> the document reads, citing the council acknowledged the Westgate
>>> terror
>>> >>> attack constituted a threat to international peace and security.
>>> >>> Justice for victims
>>> >>>
>>> >>> But the parliamentary initiative, according to a working document
>>> >>> seen
>>> >>> by
>>> >>> The Standard, acknowledges deferral only "postpones the problem" and
>>> is
>>> >>> exploring a "sustainable solution".
>>> >>> That includes establishing a domestic justice mechanism to petition
>>> the
>>> >>> ICC to refer the cases, compensation of victims and a truth
>>> >>> commission
>>> >>> on
>>> >>> the 2007 post-election violence.
>>> >>> The team led by ODM's Kitutu Chache South MP Richard Onyonka, claims
>>> its
>>> >>> motivation is "finding a Kenyan-driven solution to the ICC cases,
>>> >>> anchored
>>> >>> on ensuring justice for the victims, fostering national
>>> >>> reconciliation
>>> >>> while preserving Kenya's sovereignty and territorial integrity."
>>> >>> It is seen as an attempt to forge a bi-partisan resolution to
>>> >>> bolster
>>> >>> Kenya's petition to the UNSC, after the acrimonious fallout
>>> >>> following
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> Jubilee-backed resolution to end the country's membership of the
>>> >>> ICC.
>>> >>> CORD MPs walked out of National Assembly to protest the resolution
>>> that
>>> >>> was later also endorsed by the Senate.
>>> >>> Instructively, the new parliamentary initiative urges government not
>>> to
>>> >>> sever ties with ICC but press for reforms of the court at a meeting
>>> >>> of
>>> >>> State parties scheduled on November 20 to 28.
>>> >>> Reports indicate ICC will present a new investigations strategy to
>>> >>> respond
>>> >>> to weaknesses in evidence-gathering, among them collection of
>>> >>> evidence
>>> >>> by
>>> >>> intermediaries.
>>> >>> The AU has demanded that the UNSC takes a decision before November
>>> >>> 12,
>>> >>> when Uhuru's trial is due to start in The Hague. Ruto's trial
>>> >>> started
>>> >>> last
>>> >>> month and is due to take a break on November 1.
>>> >>> Misconduct by prosecution
>>> >>> In the petition pressing for the deferral of the Uhuru and Ruto
>>> >>> cases,
>>> >>> AU
>>> >>> argues the trials "will distract and prevent them from fulfilling
>>> their
>>> >>> constitutional responsibilities, including oversight of national and
>>> >>> regional security affairs."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Last Friday, Uhuru's lawyers applied to have his trial postponed to
>>> >>> a
>>> >>> date
>>> >>> after February 12 next year, to allow investigations into
>>> >>> allegations
>>> of
>>> >>> misconduct by the prosecution and for the president to address
>>> >>> "essential
>>> >>> duties of presidency arising from the terrorist attack in Nairobi
>>> >>> Westgate
>>> >>> shopping mall."
>>> >>> "At this current time, the commencement of the trial on 12 November
>>> when
>>> >>> Uhuru is required in Kenya for key meetings, consultations and
>>> >>> decision-making tasks, is not in the interests of either the
>>> >>> citizens
>>> of
>>> >>> Kenya or the international community," read the application by the
>>> >>> president's lawyers Steven Kay and Gillian Higgins.
>>> >>> An earlier application sought the stoppage of his trial.
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