Re: [wanabidii] KUTOKA TANGA - Makanisa mawili yachomwa moto

Kaka chamani, unapoteza muda bure, kiwasila ana force behind
inamsumbua, anachuki bonafsi ndani ya moyo wake. usipate tabu hapo
ndipo akilia yake ilipoishia

On 5/22/13, amour chamani <abachamani@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Kiwasila,
> Nimesoma mara mbili nimeelewa japo inawezekana nilichoelewa sicho ulichotaka
> nielewe.
>
> 1.Naomba usome tena nilichochangia kisha linganisha na hiki ulichojibu.
>
> 2.Utumwa ulifanywa zaidi na Wazungu(Tajiri) kuliko Waarabu(Dalali) bahati
> mbaya lawama zote anapewa Mwaarabu kwanini nadhani unajua.Hata ukiangalia
> athari yake iko zaidi huko kuliko Arabuni.
>
> 3.Kwamba mnachanga sana ni kweli lakini na rasirimali za nchi karibia zote
> mnazo ninyi kumbe sasa shida ni nini? Lakini nilichosema ni kwamba pesa za
> umma mnapewa kuendesha huduma za afya au na kwa hilo nina wivu?
>
> 4.Nakunukuu "Kama vile serikali ya TZ inavyotumia akili kutokumfunga Sheik
> Ponda  jela kifungo cha ndani
> na kutokukurupuka katika huu uchomaji makanisa kuamua vya kuamua kwa
> kuogopa moto utawaka nchi nzima, ndio Europe na USA na UN inavyo buy
> time suala na Syria kuacha wajiteketeze wenyewe na Somalia imechosha.
> Ukikurupuka na uamuzi-wenye elimu ndogo wasioona mbali watachoma nchi
> nzima kama vile wachomavyo mahakama na vituo vya police na magari yao
> lakini kesho wanataka waje police wawasaidie kuna ujambazi au matatizo
> na mafaili mahakamani wamechoma ushahidi wa kesi za ndugu zao numepotea.
> Police atakujaje jana umempiga mawe. Choma Muhimbili au Aga Khan/TMJ
> hospital. katika walioungua na moto huo ni nduguzo wanaohitajiwa
> kutibiwa hiyo hospitali ya rufaa. utawatibuje? Kuna akili hapa? Tuige
> Somali kuharimu namna hii Why?"
> Unamaana gani?
> Umaona hukumu ya kesi yake? Alifatilia hata kilichokuwa kinaendelea huko
> mahakamani lakini zaidi ni kwamba inaonekana haya mambo unayaelewa kabla au
> ni maagizo kutoka kwa Mababa Maaskofu? Ni ajabu kwamba hata wewe si tu
> huelewi chochote katika hili ila unamawazo mfu.
> Umehitimisha nukta hiyo kwa kuwasema wenye elimu ndogo wasiona mbali ni
> kweli lakini kama hii nchi ni yetu sote kwanini hatuna elimu kama ninyi
> wakati Nyerere alishataifisha shule kwa lengo la kutusaidia sie mabwege!
>
> 5.Nakunukuu tena "Tukikubali kutumika
> na kukubali mawazo finyu kama haya utoayo hapa ya kuona uadui ni ukristu na
> makanisa katika nchi ambapo wakristu na waislamu ni 40% vs 51% na
> kukubali kutumiwa na wazungu au waarabu kidini au kiuchumi-tutaishia
> kumalizana wenyewe na kurudi ktk umasikini mkubwa kuliko huu....."
> Hakuna sehemu nimesema kwamba adui ni Ukristo au Makanisa aidha unarudia
> kosa lile lile la kutoa takwimu sijui unazipata wapi wakati mlikataa
> zisipatikane wakati wa sensa mwaka jana?
>
> 6.Rudi kwenye mada ya msingi ya mwanzo wacha hizo ndalile.
>
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> Walewale.
>
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>
> ________________________________
> From: Hildegarda Kiwasila <khildegarda@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 1:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KUTOKA TANGA - Makanisa mawili yachomwa moto
>
>
>
>
> Ungejua kama makanisani michango mpaka mtu unapata kizunguzungu. Hatuna hela
> za kutoka ulaya bali ni kila jumuia ktk mtaa kupewa kiasi cha kuchangia hili
> na lile. Dini za Kikristu zimetoka Ulaya kama Uislamu ulivyotoka Uarabuni
> ila zimekuja na misingi tofauti. Kwa Mfano wa Waprotestanti ambao
> walijitenga na ukatoliki-wao kufanyakazi kwa bidii na kuzalisha mali kuondoa
> umasikini ndio kumcha Mungu na kuuona Uwingu. Huuoni uwingu ukiwa masikini,
> ombaomba uliyebweteka-hufanyi kazi. Utamkosea Mungu kwa mengi. Ndio
> wakaendelea nchi za ulaya. Wakaja kutafuta masoko kwa wenye raslimali
> wasiojitambua.
>
> Ujue hadi leo hii kama utaongozana na mzungu kuingia kijijini utaona
> waafrika wanakimbilia kumpokea mzigomzungu na kujipendekeza. Ongozana na mtu
> mweupe (Mhindi, Mwarabu, Mzungu) hata akiwa mwanafunzi ombaomba wao
> watamuona ndio mhisani. Bado hatujitambui. Mpaka Mchina anakuzaba vibao
> usoni kukuchapa fimbo humkong'oti kichwa cha nguvu ukamtoa meno kama ambapo
> ungemfanya hivyo mswahili mwenzako! tatizo.
>
> Ninadhani unafahamu kuwa uonevu huku TZ ulianza na Mwarabu kutoka Oman akiwa
> matembezini kuona Kisiwa cha Mafia kisha za ZNZ vilivyo vizuri akaamua
> kuhamia. Alikuja kustarehe na alituumiza hasa manake mama anapasuliwa
> kuangalia mtoto analalaje tumboni. Mkwezi anatunguliwa juu mama aone mtu
> akifa inakuwaje. Bwana kakaa na mtwana anafanya kazi. hii ya kubweteka
> imeumiza na inamaliza pale mwarabu alipokaa. Coastal areas (Pwani, Morogoro
> Region, Lindi, Mtwara, Tanga) na kwengine walipokaa-(Tabora) ni Sleeping
> Giants pamoja na kuwepo raslimali bwerere. Mbeya, Rukwa, Iringa, Ruvuma
> maeneo makubwa ya wakristu-The Big Four katika uzalishaji chakula cha Ziada
> na Kilimanjaro hasa Moshi-The Industrialists. Kagera-Bukoba-Wasomi mafao ya
> kuwa close na Uganda. Lakini ndio wanaongoza nchini kwa Malnutrition? Kuna
> Missing links katika maisha yetu, penye miti hapana wajenzi!! tutatue haya
> yanayoonekana badala ya kuumba mengine ya kutugharimu usalama na uhai na
> umasikini
> wetu.
>
> Kama kuuza nchi kwa waarabu na wazungu mababu zetu waliuza. Kisiwa cha Kilwa
> kikanunuliwa kwa Kitambaa ya yadi 40 kisha mtawala mbantu akaambiwa hama!!
> Mwaramu aliivamia ZNZ utumwa kila kona tukiuzana wenyewe kwa wenyewe
> tukivamiana na kuuzana mateka kama inavyotokea huko Iraq, congo, Somalia,
> Sudan. Toa hela ukomboe mateka.
> Mzungu kaja kukomesha utumwa na kutawala. Na tunatawaliwa hadi leo kwani
> hatufanyi kazi kwa juhudi kujikwamua. Akina Mchina, Mkorea atatulimisha na
> tutapanga
> foleni kutwa na majembe yetu ya mkono ambayo tunapiga kelele eti hayalimi
> hayafai. Huko kwa Mkorea yanalima na kufaa.
> Jibaba kutwa linatembeza chupi na sidiria za mitumba DSM ardhi kwao hata
> mtama ukidondoshwa na kinoga-ndege ukaota mahala utaushangaa ulivyoota vema
> na mzuri. Tupo amekaa anasubiri bajeti isomwe na gas ielezwe ama
> sivyo-Achome nyumba za serikali na makanisa. Hizi za kuchuma makanisa si
> dini bali Cults.
>
> Tumebweteka, bado hatujitambui. Tuna kila kitu ila tupo tunataka vitelemke
> kama mvua. Tunajitia tu watu wa dini huku tuma imani potofu na maovu kibao.
> Unasali sana lakini unaongoza kusafirisha, kupokea na kutawanya madawa ya
> kulevya. Unasali sana lakini umepangia shoga chumba au nyumba au u mbakaji.
> Hii kugombana Sunni na Shia  ni ubinafsi tu na visingizio vya kijinga kwa
> binadamu. Kwani kama wewe na Imani yako ukisali sana nami nikisali sana kwa
> utiifu na karama kumcha Mungu kuna tatizo gani na kila mtu ana hekalu lake?
> Ukichanga hela msikitini kwa maendeleo ya watu wa dini yako kuna ubaya
> gani? nani anakukataza?
>
> Kuja wazungu na kumsaidia Saadam na whoever kisha kuwapinduka kuwaua ni
> mwendo katika society na stage zake ya primitive communalism, feudalism,
> capitalism, neo-colonialism na sasa post-neo colonialism Digital-Liberalism.
> Kama tukizubaa-UDINI utatumiwa sio tu na wageni hata Sisi wenyewe
> tuliobweteka tusiojitambua wenye visingizio visioisha. Inatakiwa tujue dini
> ni nini na Cult ni kitu gani. Ndio maana unaona wafuasi wa cult hizo-Al
> gaeda, Njanjaweed, Al-Shaabab etc; Kibwetere, Kony wanaua, wanatia vilema
> watu, wanabaka, wanaiba mali na kusafirisha ulaya au kununua sialaha na
> kuzipa kampuni maeneo wachimbe madini huku wakiua. Wanabaka vitoto, me na
> ke. Wanalinda mimea ya kutoa cocaine na huku anasali sala 5 anaonyeshwa ktk
> TV anasali. Hii ni Cult. Mungu awe wa Mwislamu au Mkristu-Mungu wa kweli
> haruhusu haya. Tusitetee ujinga.
>
> Mbona tulipigana
> vita kuu zote wababa wetu wakaenda kupigana kwa ajili ya mzungu nje ya
> Afrika. watumwa walitolewa africa na kwenda visiwa vingi kumfanyia kazi
> mzungu na mwarabu? Na bado, tunabaguana kwa rangi mwafrika huyu bora na huyu
> anajiona bora kuliko huyu wa mchanganyo huu au ule. Na ukifahamu baadhi ya
> visiwa vinawatu waliouzwa utumwa huko na kuchanganyika lakini ni toka africa
> pande moja-bado tunabaguana. Waafrika nasi ni watu wa kujitambua? hata
> ukiambiwa funika biashara ya zamaki zisitue inzi, usiuze biashara
> barabarani-mavumbi, moshi wa magari chakula kinaingia sumu za lead; maji
> machafu umwagayo na taka ngumu mitaroni ni hatari-unaandamana na kupiga
> police. ila ukipata tende na busha, kifaa etc-unaye wa kumlaumu kama
> tunavyolaumu ukristu/makanisa na maendeleo.
>
> Unapoletewa msaada/misaada ujenge misikiti ya rangi moja kuanzia dar hadi
> Tunduma-wewesema-kati ya hiyo misikiti mia 50 tu ijengwe hela zilizobaki
> zijenge mashule na zahanati. Ili usichange
> hela za maendeleo kama makanisa-wale mbuzi na ngamia wa Ifta jenga
> hospitali kuu. Unamlisha leo kesho hali bora utumie hela kwa maendeleo
> endelevu ndivyo yafanyavyo makanisa. Muige jirani afanyavyo vema usikodoe
> macho tu na kucheza bao kutwa bila malengo.
>
> Hivi Mzungu hajaingia Syria-wanapiga kelele kuwa wametengwa mbona USA
> haiingii kama ilivyoingia kwingine. Wanaomba kutumia njia itakayotengwa
> kutoa misaada kwa waathirika. Lakini silaha za huko wanazipata nchi jirani
> ktk magomvi yao. Unafahamu pia kuwa Mama wa Kijana wa Syria ni Muingereza,
> wataingia bila uangalifu kuua vijukuu?
>
> Wamuingie Iran avurumishe mabomu ya sumu aue ulimwengu mzima.Huyo ni mbabe
> kama kijana wa Syria. Huyo ni kifaa-Jembe.
>
> Kama vile serikali ya TZ inavyotumia akili kutokumfunga Sheik Ponda  jela
> kifungo cha ndani na kutokukurupuka katika huu uchomaji makanisa kuamua vya
> kuamua kwa kuogopa moto utawaka nchi nzima, ndio Europe na USA na UN inavyo
> buy time
> suala na Syria kuacha wajiteketeze wenyewe na Somalia imechosha.
> Ukikurupuka na uamuzi-wenye elimu ndogo wasioona mbali watachoma nchi nzima
> kama vile wachomavyo mahakama na vituo vya police na magari yao lakini kesho
> wanataka waje police wawasaidie kuna ujambazi au matatizo na mafaili
> mahakamani wamechoma ushahidi wa kesi za ndugu zao numepotea. Police
> atakujaje jana umempiga mawe. Choma Muhimbili au Aga Khan/TMJ hospital.
> katika walioungua na moto huo ni nduguzo wanaohitajiwa kutibiwa hiyo
> hospitali ya rufaa. utawatibuje? Kuna akili hapa? Tuige Somali kuharimu
> namna hii Why?
>
> Ukatili wa waislamu au uarabuni haukuletwa na Ukristo au wazungu. Infact
> wakristo wana vituo vya watoto yatima na waliotupwa, zeruzeru karne toka
> dini iingie. Imelea wazee ktk vituo vya wazee na wagonjwa wa ukoma mpaka
> vilipotaifishwa na GVT baada ya Uhuru. Na bado wanavyo baadhi. Lakini
> ukatili ambao upo uarabuni, india na hata petu wazungu wametetea na
> kutufundisha haki
> za binadamu tuzizingatie. Ndoa za umri mdogo kimila au kidini (jampo kidini
> mnataka GVT isiingile); kukata viungo watu kutokana na makosa; kuua kwa
> ajili ya heshima kifamilia eti msichana kabakwa na ubakaji ndani ya familia
> (Soma women in Arabic World. Google tafuta kitabu hiki) na documentaries
> nyingine kibao.
>
> Berlin ilishapita karne pia utumwa tusikubali kuvirudisha hata kama vikija
> na digitali kabambe. Mh Nyerere baba wa taifa alisema-akikuhonga ili umpigie
> KURA, KULA akupacho lakini KURA ni SIRI yako-USIMCHAGUE. zitahesabiwa tu na
> kuonekana pungufu atakomoka. Tuitumie digitaly, ushauri wa kiuchumi bali kwa
> manufaa yetu sio yao waje kwa mbinu za misikiti au misaada kikanisa!! kama
> kumuua Saadam na Gadafi mbona Sisi tumemuua Marehemu Karume Msikitini.
> Tumepata mafanikio gani kwa kumuua mtendakazi huyu. Tunashiriki na magaidi
> kuua watu wetu kwa faida gani kama kumuua Gadafi-wamepata walichotaka hao
> washiriki rafiki wa waovu wa nje? Hata ktk
> familia wapo wanafamilia wachochezi, wachonganishi, dhuluma ya mali ya
> milathi, wabinafsi na huwa tunawakabili. Sembuse ktk Nchi au jamii? Sio
> Ukristu tu unaonea ktk jamii ya makabila na dini nyingi.
>
> Tukikubali kutumika na kukubali mawazo finyu kama haya utoayo hapa ya kuona
> uadui ni ukristu na makanisa katika nchi ambapo wakristu na waislamu ni 40%
> vs 51% na kukubali kutumiwa na wazungu au waarabu kidini au
> kiuchumi-tutaishia kumalizana wenyewe na kurudi ktk umasikini mkubwa kuliko
> huu. Kuna mahala dhehebu moja ni 90% au 99% na resources zote
> zipo-tumebweteka. TZ  rape ipo ya vichanga, wasichana, watto me.
> Sodomy/Ulawiti upo sana TZ vijana wanaongezeka sana na majority ni vijana wa
> kiislamu.nimefanya tafiti hizi na ninamtandao mkubwa sana wa vijana hawa.
> Tuna mengi ya kufanya nchini kuokoa taifa kutoka umasikini na uovu.
> Tukikubali kumuadhibu aduai kivita kwa kumbaka au kumlawiti-tunaongeza
> UKIMWI ambao hauna dawa-tunaua taifa kama
> itokeavyo kwa wenzetu. tayari tuna matatizo mengi. Tukatae uovyo wa Vita,
> Ushoga na Vita na uovu wake. Tudumishe mila na desturi za kiafrika kabla ya
> kuja wageni ambapo mtumwa uliyemteka katika mapambano ya vita kikabila
> ulimuoa akakuzalia watoto, alikaa kwako akafanyakazi na akaja kuitwa jina la
> kabila lako linaloonyesha kuwa huyu Mhehe alisia na huyu mhehe-mtekwa. Mungu
> mmoja ya Suni na Shia hayana tija kweu wayatakayo ni wabinafsi na huu upo
> ktk dini zote-tuukemee.
>
> Uvivu, kubweteka, majungu na Ujinga ndio tatizo kuu nchini sio udini. DINI
> ni kisingizio tu wa hao wenye Cult ya ubinafsi.Ndio hao wanaokaa kuhamasisha
> vurugu ambapo ktk maeneo yao wameshindwa kuhamasisha maendeleo pamoja na
> kuwepo raslimali. wanatafuta short-cut ya misifa.Easy come- Easy Go.hata
> reasoning yetu inaelekea huko ktk kugundua chanzo cha umasikini wetu
> (Ukristu!!?). Pole Chamani. Adios Amigo. Nimechangia ya kutosha-udini
> siupendi.
>
>
> --- On Wed, 22/5/13, amour chamani <abachamani@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From: amour chamani <abachamani@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KUTOKA TANGA - Makanisa mawili yachomwa moto
>>To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>Date: Wednesday, 22 May, 2013, 5:41
>>
>>
>>Kiwasili,
>>Kwa hiyo lengo la hizi nchi za Magharibi Afghanistani na pengine Iraq ni
>> nini maana kwa mfano kabla ya Taleban kilimo kilikuwa juu sana lakini
>> walivyokuja wao kilimo kikashuka sana.Wametimuliwa wamekuja hao mabwana
>> wakubwa hali ndiyo hiyo sasa nani wa kulaumiwa hapo.
>>Sadam alifurushwa ili kuwasaidia wananchi wa Iraq nao wapate uhuru na
>> demokrasia lakini hebu angalia kinchoendelea
> huko ni nini na hapa wanalaumiwa nani Washia au Wasuni au Wavamizi?
>>Bilashaka yataifika Iran kwani nao ni washenzi.
>>Hivyo hivyo Libya.
>>Leo Syria imekuwa mwiba maana aliyeko madarakani ni adui na anayempinga ni
>> adui.Vita haieleweke zaidi ya kuchochea moto ili nchi iwe kama Somalia na
>> watu wafe kisha mkatoe mifano kuonesha ushenzi na ukatili wa Waislam na
>> Waarabu.
>>Kweli lakini dadangu?
>>Leo unajisifia kwa huduma za
> kijamii mnazozitoa hapa nchini lakini huku mkipata msaada wa serikali kisha
> mnawadharau wenzenu.Mlituwahi tangu kwenye Mkataba wa Berlin na matokeo yake
> ndicho kiburi hiki mlichonacho.
>>
>>
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>>
>>Walewale.
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>>________________________________
>> From: Hildegarda Kiwasila <khildegarda@yahoo.co.uk>
>>To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:19 AM
>>Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KUTOKA TANGA - Makanisa mawili yachomwa moto
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Kitigwa-attachment hapa inafundisha kuhusu vita vinavyoendelea duniani
>> mfano afghanistan na kwingineko ambavyo vinasemekana ni vya kidini.
>> Lakini, pamoja na kuchomewa makanisa-mkatoliki au wakristu hawatolipiza
>> kisasi kukawa na vita ya msalaba.Ukipiga la kushoto atageuza la kulia.
>> Utakwenda kwenye huduma zake za afya utahudumiwa tu. Ila atasali kuomba
>> Mungu atende Miujiza yake.
>>
>>Hivi DINI na madawa ya Kulevya na Mungu vinaendana? Nimehoji vita vya dini
>> vinavyoendelea kwa wenzetu dhehebu hili vs lile na kubaka, kutia vilema na
>> kuua. kuna Mungu hapa?  Hii haiingii akilini kuwa ni mapigano ya udini.
>> Unaua unamtaja Mola, unasali huku unalinda unga wa cocaine au maua yake ya
>> poppy ya kukusaidia kuuza madawa ya kulevya yanayoua na
> kuharibu watu na ni Haram-hapa
> pana Mungu kweli? Unasali sana lakini fedha yako inatokana na magendo ya
> cocaine au mengineyo. Unasali huku unatenda uovu uwe wa dini yoyote ile.
> Hapa Mungu huna.  Ona hivyo vitoto vya huyo bab mpiganaji ktk attachment.
> Kingine kimevaa hirizi kibao ila hapo vinavyovuta hewa ya unga unaoharibu
> ubongo na mishipa yake.
>>
>>Haya hata huyo Kony anayepigana kwa jila la Yesu lakini anajificha hataki
>> afe kama Yesu msalabani. Yeye ambaye anapigana kwa jina lake Yesu
>> hajitokezi, ameua anasakwa. huyu ni wa Yesu kweli. Hataki awe mtakatifu
>> kama mashahidi wa Uganda wanachomwa moto wanamkiri Yesu au Mt Stefano
>> alivyopigwa maewe hadharani akimfia Yesu na watakatifu wengineo. Kony
>> anaua lakini yeye hataki kufa kwa kujitokeza na kutundikwa msalabani.
>>
>>Kibwetere kaua kazika watu kanisani na ktk majumba ya eneo la kanisa
>> kawafukia kisiri. Kakusanya dhahabu-mikufu, pete za waumini na vito kibao
>> vya thamani kajaza masanduku eti anavitoa mapepo. Kawafungia kutwa kucha
>> wakisali na kuomba. Kisha akalitia kanisa moto. Kuna mama mmoja alitoroka
>> kwenda home kula maana hawakula kutwa akaona akale akajipenyza kwenda
>> chooni hakurudi. Anarudi ile saa kumi na mbili jioni akaona kanisa
>> linawaka moto, lakini akamuona Kibwetere na walinzi wake wakipakia
>> masanduku ktk gari wakitimka. Milango ya kanisa imefungwa kwa nje muda huo
>> wa kufumba macho na kuomba kwa nguvu na kelele. Watu wanateketea kwenda
>> kwa Mungu.
>>
>>Na wale zamani walipelekwa kisiwa kimojawapo (Jamaica??) wakapewa sumu
>> kunywa waende kwa Mungu. Na lile kanisa la kizushi la Kuresh USA
>> walivalishwa sare, wamefunga mabegi yao, mamelala kitandani na sare zao na
>> mabegi na kunyimwa oksijeni na kufa ndege ikiwa inawasuribi kupakia roho
>> zao ziende peponi. Kuresh hakufa. alikamatwa. Story ni nyingi za hizi dini
>> za kuzuka zinazoanzishwa na wajanja wachache
> ndio zinakuja na vituko.
>>Ni sawa na wale wanaoongeza mambo yao binafsi katika misahafu ya Mungu kwa
>> manufaa yao binafsi Mungu hakusema hivyoktk vitabu vyake vitakatifu
>> asilia.
>>
>>Huu wao wa kuchoma makanisa au mahekalu yasiyo ya dini yao ni ubinafi.
>> Coptic churches Egypt ni chache na wakristi labda 0.1% lakini vikanisa
>> vinachomwa, hupati ajira ukiwa mkristu na ukisilimu kuolewa ukaja kuachika
>> ukarudia ukristu unauawa. Hii, haijazuia wasipigane walivyofikia sasa na
>> bado vikanisa hivyo viduchu ni Tatizo vinachomwa daily.
>>
>>Ubinafsi, wivu usio muono wa mbali na kujikanya, njaa, kutokuwa na malengo,
>> uvivu na kubweteka kusiko Vision. Jiulize, Ukishakuchoma shamba lako
>> litakuwa limelimika? Utakuwa umevuna mazao na  mtoto wako atakuwa kasoma
>> shule na kupasi? Waliobweteka Uarabuni wana visima vya mafuta makampuni ya
>> kizungu yanachimba kwa technolojia zao wenye mali wanauza wanafaidi
>> mihela. Sisi huku tuna ardhi oevu-tulime!! Tuache story za simba na yanga
>> na manchester. Mswahili asiye muono wa mbali externalization of
>> errors/mistakes ndio tija kwake isiyo na measurable positive outputs.
>>
>>
>>--- On Tue, 21/5/13, F kitigwa <kitigwa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From: F kitigwa <kitigwa@gmail.com>
>>>Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KUTOKA TANGA - Makanisa mawili yachomwa moto
>>>To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>>Date: Tuesday, 21 May, 2013, 6:39
>>>
>>>
>>>Chamani,
>>>Wanaoendeleza mateso na kuvunja, kuchoma makanisa lazima ni wa imani ya
>>> kiislamu tu na si vinginevyo.
>>>Kuna watu wanasema ni maadui toka nje wanataka tupigane wenyewe kwa
>>> wenyewe mi nasema hizo zote ni propaganda tu ya kutaka kuficha
> ukweli,
>>>Kama wangekuwa ni maadui kutoka nje wala wasingelenga makanisa na wakristo
>>> ambao hawajishughulishi kulipiza kisasi, wangechoma, bomoa au lipua
>>> msikiti mmoja tu na kesho yake waislamu woote wangekuwa mtaani
>>> wanaandamana na kuleta fujo za kulipiza kisasi kwa kuvamia na kuharibu
>>> mali za wakristo.
>>>Kwa hiyo ndugu yangu Chamani jiangalieni sana huko kwenye kambi yenu na
>>> mjirekebishe kwa kuambiana ukweli la sivyo pakinuka nchi hii hata nyie
>>> hamtasujudu kwa raha misikitini kwenu.
>>>
>>>
>>>kitigwa
>>>
>>>
>>>2013/5/21 amour chamani <abachamani@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>Alexander,
>>>>Hivi uwezo wenu kwa kufikiri ukoje?
>>>>Hivi tatizo la duniaa hii ni Alqaida na Taliban?
>>>>Hivi siyo vita yenu ya Msalaba mlioianzisha huko Afganistani na Iraq?
>>>>Mnazipiga nchi za watu kisha mnawalaumu wanaopigwa?
>>>>Wakati mwingine naomba mjitahidi kuwa huru kutoka katika UBUBUSA(DOGMA}
>>>> wa imani zenu.
>>>>Mifano mbona ipo mingi tu ya LRA ya Kony mpaka Kibwetere!
>>>>Ububusa wenu unaipeleka nchi pabaya.Kila chochote kinachofanyika dhidi ya
>>>> kanisa na viongozi wake tayari kimefanywa na Waislam ndiyo maana mnapata
>>>> tabu hata suala la mlipuko wa Arusha.
>>>>Ukizungumzwa udini ni waislam jamani mpaka lini ninyi?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Walewale.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: alexander chipalazya <chipalazya@yahoo.com>
>>>>To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>>>Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:19 PM
>>>>
>>>>Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KUTOKA TANGA - Makanisa mawili yachomwa moto
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Kiwasila,
>>>>Hao wachoma mahekalu hawaogopi CCTV nitofauti sana na vibaka, maana wao
>>>> wanasukumwa na IMANI.  Ndio maana inakua vigumu kushughulikia Boko
>>>> Haramu, Taleban, Al-qaeda, na Alshababu. Wako tayari kufanya lolote kwa
>>>> gharama yoyote maana wanaitetea 'IMANI'. Kumbuka wengine wamefundishwa
>>>> na kushika, 'Ukiua kafiri unaenda ahela na ukijilipua na kuuwa walei na
>>>> maaskofu utapewa zawadi ya mabikra ahela. Ni imani za jinsi hii ndio
>>>> zinawafanya watu wasiwaze mara mbili kufanya mauaji yasiyo elezeka.
>>>>Alexander
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Hildegarda Kiwasila <khildegarda@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>>To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>>>Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:00 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KUTOKA TANGA - Makanisa mawili yachomwa moto
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Angalia faida ya CCTV cameras na ya Video Camera na Camera za Kawaida ktk
>>>> kufichua uovu. Jamaa kafumaniwa, lakini gari la kumpokea kutoka gholofa
>>>> la juu liliitwa kumpokea. jee sisi tuna magari namna hii ya vono?
>>>> uliziona gari za Police USA Boston kulikotokea mripuko ni ya kutisha na
>>>> kiusalama hali ya juu. Maendeleo kiuchumi na mabadiliko kijamii yaje na
>>>> maendeleo kiteknolojia.
>>>>
>>>>Pili-Wazo: Kama mpira wa yanga na simba siku moja umeingiza milioni mia
>>>> tano- si tunaweza kuchangia maendeleo sio kuangalia mpira tu? Makanisa,
>>>> misikiti inaweza kuleta maendeleo ya jamii zao kwa kuchangia au kufanya
>>>> au kuandaa mashindano ya namna hii kama ya ushindani wa Simba na Yanga
>>>> kukusanya mapato ya kujenga na kuongezea michango ya waumini. Twachangia
>>>> arusi (send in, send-off) na mipira. Twaweza. Chuki na kuchomeana
>>>> mahekalu why?
>>>>
>>>>Tumejenga kwa miaka 50 bado tupo
> hapa-tuanze kubomoa inakuwaje tena. Wivu wa elimu ni pamoja nawe kusoma
> sana, wa maendeleo ni wa wewe kuiga kuyatafuta. Mbona michango ya arusi
> mikali sana? vipi ukiwa msikitini/kanisani kuchangia shule ya vidudu,
> zahanati, kisima cha maji. Pili, kila kanisa au msikiti-uwe na borehole ya
> maji kutoka huduma. Kila msikiti mkuu kikata uwe na shule ya vidudu au ya
> Msingi na kila wa wilaya shule ya msingi, kimkoa kila dini/dhehebu iwe na
> secondary na high school moja na kitaifa Chuo Kikuu, hospitali ya Kitaifa.
> Kila dhehebu linachangia wenyewe kwa toa ndugu au sadaka. Lawama itakwisha.
> Kila dhehebu linagharimia mfumo wake wa mahakama ambao unatambulika kitaifa
> kwa ajili ya rufaa ikitakiwa.Vyeti vya ndoa vimekwisha kutolewa kwa
> madhehebu yote vinatambulika na GVT. Ni mambo madogo tu yakiwa coordinated
> na walezi kimadhehebu kupata TOT training-Tutapeta kama tutajituma.
> Maana-hata kwenye dini moja wanapigana anyway na vita haiishi, vilema kila
> kona hawana
> msaada, wanateseka. Why tuwaige Alexander?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--- On Mon, 20/5/13, alexander chipalazya <chipalazya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>From: alexander chipalazya <chipalazya@yahoo.com>
>>>>>Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KUTOKA TANGA - Makanisa mawili yachomwa moto
>>>>>To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>Date: Monday, 20 May, 2013, 11:54
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Kiwasila inauma sana, hakuna maendeleo katika ubinafsi.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Huu ushauri wako nimuhimu...'Ufike
> wakati nchi za ulaya sisipokee wakimbizi, isiwauzie silaha nchi za africana
> bara la Asia, UN iache kwenye nchi zipiganazo zijimalize
> zenyewe bila misaada labda wataacha.Faida gani miji ya Somalia, Syriakuwa
> maghofu? gharama ya miaka/karne ya kujenga
> miji hiyo ya maghorofa kamaLibya, Syriana sasa kubomoa'
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nafikiri UN ikifanya hivyo watu watatia akili. Haingii akilini nchi kama
>>>>> somaliland kutotawalika maana ni kabila na dini moja. Hawa siasa kali
>>>>> wanataka kusilimisha dunia nzima, ila sasa hata mahala ambapo nchi
>>>>> nzima ni islam hakuna amani.
>>>>>
>>>>>Alexander
>>>>>
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