Thank you Maurice, I had forgotten this story of Mohammed Ali. Yes, it happened. Tanzania went to Moscow Olympics and got two silver medals, Filbert Bayi in 3,000 meters Steeplechase and Suleiman Nyambui in 5,000 meters.
Matinyi.
Matinyi.
> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 02:22:52 -0400
> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Nyerere's militancy benefitedAfrica
> From: mauricejoduor@gmail.com
> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> CC: mabadilikotanzania@googlegroups.com
>
> Mobhare,
>
> Nyerere and Mandela are my top 2 presidents in all of independent
> Africa's history. No contest at all.
>
> I have met Mandela but I regret never having met Nyerere. he was a
> very principled man. I recall in 1980 when the West boycotted the
> Moscow Olympics. The US sent Mohamed Ali to several countries to
> convince them to boycott too.when Mohamed Ali came to Kenya, Moi met
> him at State House and held a Gala for him and then made an official
> announcement that Kenya was boycotting those Games.
> But when Mohamed Ali went to Tanzania, Nyerere refused to meet him and
> announced that Tanzania would make its own decision without being
> influenced by the US or anyone else. About meeting Ali, he said that
> he was a president and if the US wanted to discuss the boycott, they
> had to send their own president or a Secretary of State, not a boxer.
> we really cheered Nyerere on this.
>
> Courage
>
>
>
> On 10/11/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nyerere's militancy benefited
> > Africa
> >
> > Julius Nyerere with his top commanders in 1979 when he visited Tanzanian
> > troops during the war with Amin's Uganda. Mobhare Matinyi, Washington
> > DC. The Citizen, Tanzania Thursday, 11 October 2012 22:04 This
> > e-mail address is being
> > protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
> >
> > On January 26, 1996, Mwalimu
> > Julius Nyerere, became the first recipient of the Mahatma Gandhi
> > International Peace Prize awarded by the Government of India for the year
> > 1995. Since then three prominent black icons have followed suit, Nelson
> > Mandela in 2000, Coretta King in 2004, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu in
> > 2005.
> >
> >
> >
> > Two days after receiving the award in New Delhi, Nyerere met with
> > Tanzanians
> > at the residence of the Tanzanian High Commissioner to India, Ambassador
> > Alfred Tandau. He surprised us that he had told Indian leaders that he was
> > so
> > grateful to have received the award because he did not at all deserve it.
> >
> >
> >
> > He clarified that likening him to Mahatma Gandhi was imbalance because
> > he,
> > Nyerere, supported armed struggles in Mozambique, Rhodesia, and
> > elsewhere.
> > Correctly, Gandhi, the man who willingly lived in abject poverty,
> > preached
> > the philosophy of peaceful struggle, thus, Nyerere thought that award
> > recipients ought to have emulated that philosophy wholeheartedly.
> >
> >
> >
> > Undoubtedly, Nyerere was militant right from the beginning although the
> > independence
> > of Tanganyika made him president without bloodshed. In one incident on
> > July
> > 20, 1964 at the summit of the Organisation of African Unity (OAU) in
> > Cairo,
> > he underlined African problems in two fold; firstly, cleansing Africa of
> > vestiges of colonial rule; and secondly, unity. Respectfully, in that
> > speech
> > he also testified how Tanganyika gave up its sovereignty to unite with
> > Zanzibar.
> >
> >
> >
> > On the issue of colonial rule, Nyerere said at the time that at least the
> > British accepted that they had colonies in Africa, so it was possible to
> > talk
> > to them, but the Portuguese didn't accept the fact that they were
> > colonizers
> > who deserved to leave; they simply argued that Portugal extended to Africa
> > in
> > Angola, Mozambique and Portuguese Guinea (Guinea Bissau). Nyerere said:
> > "In
> > the case of these three colonies, fine words will not do."
> >
> >
> >
> > After elaborating a bit, Nyerere noted: "My plea here, therefore, is for
> > action; action to free the Portuguese colonies." Then later added: "Mr
> > Chairman, we must act. We have the means to liberate Angola, Mozambique
> > and
> > Portuguese Guinea." In effect, he was declaring a war leaving other
> > cowards
> > shocked. That was Nyerere in 1964, a few years after opening military
> > training camps for Mozambican and South African freedom fighters in
> > Tanzania.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fast forward to November 1978 after Ugandan madman Idi Amin made the
> > terrible
> > mistake of invading Tanzania, Nyerere sounded exactly the same. He
> > declared:
> > "We have the means to punish Amin; we have the reason; and we have the
> > will
> > to punish Amin." The rest is history, but surely, on April 11, 1979,
> > Tanzanian troops overthrew the delusional buffoon.
> >
> >
> >
> > On another occasion in 1978 before Tanzanian troops responded to Amin,
> > Kenya
> > offered to mediate, but instead Nyerere told them to close the port of
> > Mombasa for Amin or else keep quiet. Several African leaders including
> > the
> > then Chairman of the OAU, Sudanese President Jaffery Nimeiry, flew to Dar
> > es
> > Salaam or sent their peace envoys to ask Nyerere to spare Amin, but he
> > insisted that murderous Amin must be punished for what he had done unless
> > he
> > withdrew from Tanzania, pay for the damage and vow to never attack
> > Tanzania.
> > Perhaps more details about
> > Nyerere's militancy occurred between that 1964 summit and the 1978/79 war
> > with Uganda.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tanzania under Nyerere trained freedom fighters from South Africa,
> > Namibia,
> > Mozambique, Angola, and Zimbabwe, but more interestingly, is the fact
> > that
> > Nyerere sent Tanzanian troops to fight in some of these countries,
> > particularly Mozambique. Tanzanian troops returned again to Mozambique to
> > fight the RENAMO insurgency in the early 1980s.
> >
> >
> >
> > The two island states of Comoro and Seychelles were other places where
> > Tanzanian troops fought successfully in 1975 and 1977 to help overthrown
> > leaders stay in power, and additionally, conducted some type of
> > clandestine
> > missions in Burundi, Rwanda, Zambia and the former Zaire. Some authors
> > like
> > Simon Baynham in his book, Military Power and Politics in Black Africa,
> > have
> > given justice to what Nyerere did on the continent.
> >
> >
> >
> > At one time in the late 1960s he nearly fought with Malawi over the Lake
> > Nyasa border dispute, but President Kamuzu Banda wisely smelled a rat.
> > With
> > neighbouring Kenya, nothing happened, but in the early 1980s Kenya was so
> > worried that its government asked for military assistance from the United
> > States as one retired US Air Force pilot narrated to me a while ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > No wonder that Kenyan scholar, Prof Ali Mazrui, said this after his
> > death:
> > "He gave Tanzanians a sense of national consciousness and a spirit of
> > national purpose. One of the small countries in the world found itself to
> > be
> > one of the major actors on the world scene." Yes, as we mark 13 years of
> > his
> > demise, we ought to remember the bravery of Nyerere despite his
> > shortcomings
> > in other areas.
> >
> > SOURCE:
> > http://www.thecitizen.co.tz/editorial-analysis/47-columnists/26454-nyereres-militancy-benefited-africa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Nyerere's militancy benefitedAfrica
> From: mauricejoduor@gmail.com
> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> CC: mabadilikotanzania@googlegroups.com
>
> Mobhare,
>
> Nyerere and Mandela are my top 2 presidents in all of independent
> Africa's history. No contest at all.
>
> I have met Mandela but I regret never having met Nyerere. he was a
> very principled man. I recall in 1980 when the West boycotted the
> Moscow Olympics. The US sent Mohamed Ali to several countries to
> convince them to boycott too.when Mohamed Ali came to Kenya, Moi met
> him at State House and held a Gala for him and then made an official
> announcement that Kenya was boycotting those Games.
> But when Mohamed Ali went to Tanzania, Nyerere refused to meet him and
> announced that Tanzania would make its own decision without being
> influenced by the US or anyone else. About meeting Ali, he said that
> he was a president and if the US wanted to discuss the boycott, they
> had to send their own president or a Secretary of State, not a boxer.
> we really cheered Nyerere on this.
>
> Courage
>
>
>
> On 10/11/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Nyerere's militancy benefited
> > Africa
> >
> > Julius Nyerere with his top commanders in 1979 when he visited Tanzanian
> > troops during the war with Amin's Uganda. Mobhare Matinyi, Washington
> > DC. The Citizen, Tanzania Thursday, 11 October 2012 22:04 This
> > e-mail address is being
> > protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it
> >
> > On January 26, 1996, Mwalimu
> > Julius Nyerere, became the first recipient of the Mahatma Gandhi
> > International Peace Prize awarded by the Government of India for the year
> > 1995. Since then three prominent black icons have followed suit, Nelson
> > Mandela in 2000, Coretta King in 2004, and Archbishop Desmond Tutu in
> > 2005.
> >
> >
> >
> > Two days after receiving the award in New Delhi, Nyerere met with
> > Tanzanians
> > at the residence of the Tanzanian High Commissioner to India, Ambassador
> > Alfred Tandau. He surprised us that he had told Indian leaders that he was
> > so
> > grateful to have received the award because he did not at all deserve it.
> >
> >
> >
> > He clarified that likening him to Mahatma Gandhi was imbalance because
> > he,
> > Nyerere, supported armed struggles in Mozambique, Rhodesia, and
> > elsewhere.
> > Correctly, Gandhi, the man who willingly lived in abject poverty,
> > preached
> > the philosophy of peaceful struggle, thus, Nyerere thought that award
> > recipients ought to have emulated that philosophy wholeheartedly.
> >
> >
> >
> > Undoubtedly, Nyerere was militant right from the beginning although the
> > independence
> > of Tanganyika made him president without bloodshed. In one incident on
> > July
> > 20, 1964 at the summit of the Organisation of African Unity (OAU) in
> > Cairo,
> > he underlined African problems in two fold; firstly, cleansing Africa of
> > vestiges of colonial rule; and secondly, unity. Respectfully, in that
> > speech
> > he also testified how Tanganyika gave up its sovereignty to unite with
> > Zanzibar.
> >
> >
> >
> > On the issue of colonial rule, Nyerere said at the time that at least the
> > British accepted that they had colonies in Africa, so it was possible to
> > talk
> > to them, but the Portuguese didn't accept the fact that they were
> > colonizers
> > who deserved to leave; they simply argued that Portugal extended to Africa
> > in
> > Angola, Mozambique and Portuguese Guinea (Guinea Bissau). Nyerere said:
> > "In
> > the case of these three colonies, fine words will not do."
> >
> >
> >
> > After elaborating a bit, Nyerere noted: "My plea here, therefore, is for
> > action; action to free the Portuguese colonies." Then later added: "Mr
> > Chairman, we must act. We have the means to liberate Angola, Mozambique
> > and
> > Portuguese Guinea." In effect, he was declaring a war leaving other
> > cowards
> > shocked. That was Nyerere in 1964, a few years after opening military
> > training camps for Mozambican and South African freedom fighters in
> > Tanzania.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fast forward to November 1978 after Ugandan madman Idi Amin made the
> > terrible
> > mistake of invading Tanzania, Nyerere sounded exactly the same. He
> > declared:
> > "We have the means to punish Amin; we have the reason; and we have the
> > will
> > to punish Amin." The rest is history, but surely, on April 11, 1979,
> > Tanzanian troops overthrew the delusional buffoon.
> >
> >
> >
> > On another occasion in 1978 before Tanzanian troops responded to Amin,
> > Kenya
> > offered to mediate, but instead Nyerere told them to close the port of
> > Mombasa for Amin or else keep quiet. Several African leaders including
> > the
> > then Chairman of the OAU, Sudanese President Jaffery Nimeiry, flew to Dar
> > es
> > Salaam or sent their peace envoys to ask Nyerere to spare Amin, but he
> > insisted that murderous Amin must be punished for what he had done unless
> > he
> > withdrew from Tanzania, pay for the damage and vow to never attack
> > Tanzania.
> > Perhaps more details about
> > Nyerere's militancy occurred between that 1964 summit and the 1978/79 war
> > with Uganda.
> >
> >
> >
> > Tanzania under Nyerere trained freedom fighters from South Africa,
> > Namibia,
> > Mozambique, Angola, and Zimbabwe, but more interestingly, is the fact
> > that
> > Nyerere sent Tanzanian troops to fight in some of these countries,
> > particularly Mozambique. Tanzanian troops returned again to Mozambique to
> > fight the RENAMO insurgency in the early 1980s.
> >
> >
> >
> > The two island states of Comoro and Seychelles were other places where
> > Tanzanian troops fought successfully in 1975 and 1977 to help overthrown
> > leaders stay in power, and additionally, conducted some type of
> > clandestine
> > missions in Burundi, Rwanda, Zambia and the former Zaire. Some authors
> > like
> > Simon Baynham in his book, Military Power and Politics in Black Africa,
> > have
> > given justice to what Nyerere did on the continent.
> >
> >
> >
> > At one time in the late 1960s he nearly fought with Malawi over the Lake
> > Nyasa border dispute, but President Kamuzu Banda wisely smelled a rat.
> > With
> > neighbouring Kenya, nothing happened, but in the early 1980s Kenya was so
> > worried that its government asked for military assistance from the United
> > States as one retired US Air Force pilot narrated to me a while ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > No wonder that Kenyan scholar, Prof Ali Mazrui, said this after his
> > death:
> > "He gave Tanzanians a sense of national consciousness and a spirit of
> > national purpose. One of the small countries in the world found itself to
> > be
> > one of the major actors on the world scene." Yes, as we mark 13 years of
> > his
> > demise, we ought to remember the bravery of Nyerere despite his
> > shortcomings
> > in other areas.
> >
> > SOURCE:
> > http://www.thecitizen.co.tz/editorial-analysis/47-columnists/26454-nyereres-militancy-benefited-africa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Karibu Jukwaa la www.mwanabidii.com
> > Pata nafasi mpya za Kazi www.kazibongo.blogspot.com
> > Blogu ya Habari na Picha www.patahabari.blogspot.com
> >
> > Kujiondoa Tuma Email kwenda
> > wanabidii+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com Utapata Email ya kudhibitisha
> > ukishatuma
> >
> > Disclaimer:
> > Everyone posting to this Forum bears the sole responsibility for any legal
> > consequences of his or her postings, and hence statements and facts must be
> > presented responsibly. Your continued membership signifies that you agree to
> > this disclaimer and pledge to abide by our Rules and Guidelines.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Karibu Jukwaa la www.mwanabidii.com
> Pata nafasi mpya za Kazi www.kazibongo.blogspot.com
> Blogu ya Habari na Picha www.patahabari.blogspot.com
>
> Kujiondoa Tuma Email kwenda
> wanabidii+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com Utapata Email ya kudhibitisha ukishatuma
>
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