Monday 30 December 2013

[wanabidii] Re: [PK] Nyanza leaders meet Raila over Kidero’s big-money harambees

Mo,
Sometimes you actually don't have to say Raila is your hod, but its your actions that translate to that.
In this forum almost all of us except Mumias believe in God. Your comments is what ee translated and showed us that you obey RAO and anyone eho insults him should be mobbed.
So you are a cult eho believe Rsils is the supreme being.

Mohamed

On Dec 31, 2013 1:58 AM, "Maurice Oduor" <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Weli,

I'll ask you a small favour, actually a big one.

1. I want you to go through this thread and all e-mails related to this topic and find for us one place, just one place where I criticized Kidero for his Harambees. Please do that so we're at least agreed on that fact. I don't want you to be throwing accusations based on what you think and not what I have said.

2. Secondly, I want you to search for one mail, just one mail where I referred to Raila as my god. Once you do this, then I will never argue with you on that issue ever again.

Do these 2 things then come back and we talk becaause your whole argument is based on these 2 assumptions.

Thank you.

Courage



On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Mohamedweli Abdi <manderaeast@gmail.com> wrote:

Mo,
Those NEP elected leaders have no shit ehen it comes to development,  unlike you I am not a sycophant to defend under performing leaders and blindly follow them. If there were NEP MPs criticizing a leader like Kadero who was bringing development for his prople, I will definitely stood by him and defend him unlike you.

The topic was why were Raila die hards criticizing Kadero for developing south Nyanza. They should be imitate his action.
why are you beating the bush talking about Coast, NEP and Eastern are poor region and we are not talking about them.  You are true but but that wasn't the topic. If the Kajuwangs of thosr areas would Have done that to their Kaderos, I am sure Okil, KM, mine and all the sane people in the forum responses would be the same. We are not criticizing them and your little god because they are Luos but what they are doing is wrong.
I hope you understand now Mr T Engineer.

Moha

On Dec 30, 2013 10:17 PM, "Maurice Oduor" <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Weli,

I don't think you care that much about the development of Nyanza.

Tell us about the big things the somali politicians have done in NEP.
Why do you still have drought, famine and misery with bomb blasts all over NEP? Which local Somali politician is responsible for that?

Courage


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Mohamedweli Abdi <manderaeast@gmail.com> wrote:

Nelson,
For one I am not from coast.  Secondly who said its only Luos who can criticize Raila, He is a national leader and we should be able to criticize him. If you don't want us say our view then don't bring in the forum. If a topic is posted here, we are Kenyans and we will comment about it. Tell your leaders to not wash their dirty laundry in public so we don't comment about it.
For your information the coastal people you are saying they shouldn't comment about your leader have elected him 99%, and here you have the guts to say comment about your local coast leaders. Why do you guys make Raila ad your own leader? Has he not contested for the President of Kenya or the Governor of Kisumu? I don't see any other Kenyans who blindly defend leaders from their tribes. I really don't get it all. If one criticize Dualle or Kerrow, I cannot say you can't do that because you are not from NEP. Why I keep repeating this point is two others commented before you said why don't you criticize your own leaders from NEP why Raila. Tell the fucker to say out of National politic so you won't hear us saying shit about him.
We are blaming him (Raila) and his sycophants for fight Kadero for the good job he is doing for his people. Kadero is the Governor of cosmopolitan county of Nairobi. He has no obligation to develop south Nyanza,  but out of courtesy he decided to help his people. Why  will your likes criticize him than instead criticize the ones fighting him for taking development there.
Your king is naked and we will mulika the torch at him.

Moha

On Dec 30, 2013 9:35 PM, "Nelson Oreje" <nelsonoreje@gmail.com> wrote:
Abdi, u have ur own Coastal leaders to criticize. For example, start with the narrow streets in Mombasa, public beaches being grabbed then ask Joho etc. Don't start blind attack against someone or just because u feel like "ejaculating" then spew ur words around. N BTW, who told u that the niggas in South Nyanza do need liberation? Isn't Kidero himself not from South Nyanza? Abdi, when u start debating as though every problem is caused by RAO just shows how shallow ur n very uninformed
Only the paranoid survive
From: Mohamedweli Abdi <manderaeast@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 10:06:33 -0800
Subject: Re: [PK] Nyanza leaders meet Raila over Kidero's big-money harambees

Nelson,
Why does Okil have to do that.  Its also your obligation to rescue the people of South Nyanza. Unless you want them to "kaa hivyo hivyo" you should play your role in liberating them from blindly following thing naked king.
Its to the extent that we are called tribalist and hate mongers for criticizing Raila in the forums. Please differentiate Raila the Former PM and Luo the tribe. I thought its the other way around that Raila is Luo not Luo tribe is Raila.
The cult members like the idiot Cosmos and that mad man so called toilet engineer Oduor need to stop being sycophant.

Moha

On Dec 30, 2013 8:47 PM, "Nelson Oreje" <nelsonoreje@gmail.com> wrote:
Okil, u should have used the same method as Kidero, to win a seat, n then introduce "development projects" thru fund raising. Oooh yeah! n then call ur self a hero from within. How about that!
Only the paranoid survive

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Subject: Re: [PK] Nyanza leaders meet Raila over Kidero's big-money harambees

Richard Odipo,
                    You better be "getting sick", VERY VERY SO!!! Of
course, these MPs have no clue "what they are elected" to do!!! They
appear to be in unison about one thing though, to wit, that they must,
AT ALL TIMES, stand ready to streak, and actually streak, for Raila
and, if possible, question their own lunacy later!!! Our Luo people
must, NOW, be socialized to have no track with such nauseating
claptrap!!! Governor Kidero, or anybody else for that matter, commits
no known sin for encouraging his friends to come to the aid of the
much abused and downtrodden Luo brethren!!!
                                                Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.

On 12/30/13, Mohamedweli Abdi <manderaeast@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mo,
> I never requested you to respond. I made my point across period.
> Call it hateful I call it the truth. Since when do we criticize someone for
> bring development to his people? It only happen in Luo Nyanza.
> Hate me or like me. Its the truth.
>
> Moha
> On Dec 30, 2013 4:42 PM, "Maurice J. Oduor" <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I urge people to stop responding to Mohamedweli when he writes these
>> tribally-hateful things. There's nothing to gain by arguing with someone
>> whose hatred for one community is this strong.
>> Just give him no listening.
>>
>> Courage
>>
>>
>> On 2013-12-30, at 8:21 AM, Mohamedweli Abdi <manderaeast@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The problem is you don't get anything that is critical to Raila.
>> Your little god is lose everything and anything. You keep carrying those
>> stones and dead fishes in those briefcases.
>> I made my point like the rest here. No need to compare Luod with Somalis.
>> I made my point a cross. Kadero will keep doing what he was doing and let
>> your little god keep throwing stone, because development is something
>> that
>> nevrr crossed his mind. He subjected the lio masses in poverty.  As long
>> idiots like you  exist Raila will never need to create enemies because
>> you
>> do for him.
>> Take to kisumu or Siaya and elect him ad your Governor. You will never
>> hear us talking about him. As long he appears as national leader we will
>> talk shit about him when need arises.
>>
>> Moha
>> On Dec 30, 2013 3:42 PM, "Cosmos Omondi" <omondi.cosmos@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *If you mention anyone else you committed blasphemy according to your
>>> cults** '**bible.' *I hope you're are not trying to drag the Holy
>>> Scripture into this empty talk of yours - because there is only one Bible
>>> I
>>> know of.
>>>
>>> *'.............. we elect our leaders and if they under perform we
>>> dispose them unlike you who are told who to elect.' *For the last 50
>>> years whom have you elected and disposed coz of underperfomance.  And
>>> those who have performed, what is this that they have performed?The last
>>> time I checked NE is the only region whose life is supplemented by
>>> ration.
>>> Have you ever heard that the lakeside guys are begging the government
>>> for
>>> posho?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 December 2013 15:21, Mohamedweli Abdi
>>> <manderaeast@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The point was not who have political leaders to admirer but criticizing
>>>> Gov Kadero who went out of his constituency to help his fellow
>>>> tribesmen.
>>>> Since your little god said he didn't bless Kadero, then you are a up in
>>>> arms like Kadero act was blasphemy.
>>>> To go back to your comment, Who do you admirer other than your little
>>>> god you worship.
>>>> If you mention anyone else you committed blasphemy according to your
>>>> cults bible.
>>>>
>>>> For your information like the rest of kenyans,  we elect our leaders
>>>> and
>>>> if they under perform we dispose them unlike you who are told who to
>>>> elect.
>>>>
>>>> Mohamed
>>>> On Dec 30, 2013 2:26 PM, "Cosmos Omondi" <omondi.cosmos@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Abdi,
>>>>>
>>>>> *You (the Somali) have nothing for the Luo to admire and emulate as
>>>>> far
>>>>> as your country's political disunity is concerned. Among the Luos we
>>>>> know
>>>>> better than 'cooking two cocks in one pot.'*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 December 2013 14:10, Mohamedweli Abdi
>>>>> <manderaeast@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It should be easy to be elected for political post in Luo Nyanza and
>>>>>> should be easier to retain or reelected for the position.  All you
>>>>>> need to
>>>>>> do is be loyal to Raila and satisfy him, then the electorates will be
>>>>>> loyal
>>>>>> to you. As long Raila is happy it seems they will be too. Sad but
>>>>>> true.
>>>>>> What the hell is happing to our Luo Brothers  and Sisters our most
>>>>>> educated region in the country are blindly following one man advice
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>> he is right or wrong.
>>>>>> For Kadero, tell him to do the fundraising for people who appreciate
>>>>>> him. If any of you have his contacts tell him we are willing to make
>>>>>> him
>>>>>> the ultimate somali leader as long he grantees to develop the region.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moha
>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2013 2:41 AM, "Kuria-Mwangi" <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jameni what is wrong with these leaders or rather what wrong has
>>>>>>> Kidero and dalmas done? So if you contribute more than Raila then
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> become an enemy? I thought they would be happy with the money flowing
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Nyanza but may be the anger is because Ruto and Uhuru are sending
>>>>>>> donations
>>>>>>> and so overshadowing Raila. I call the talk from akina Kajuang
>>>>>>> ujinga.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They remind me of those Kikuyus who hated JM Kariuki because he was
>>>>>>> becoming very popular for giving large donations and was accused og
>>>>>>> undermining Kenyatta. Kenyatta gave Ksh 10K and everyone had to give
>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>> than that. Now Kidero is being asked to give peanuts if he wants to
>>>>>>> be in
>>>>>>> good books. Ghasia!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nyanza leaders meet Raila over Kidero's big-money harambees
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Nairobi County Governor Evans Kidero at a past function. A
>>>>>>> storm is brewing in the Nyanza region over big money fund-raising
>>>>>>> events
>>>>>>> presided over by Nairobi governor Evans Kidero and Rongo MP Dalmas
>>>>>>> Otieno.
>>>>>>> FILE | NATION MEDIA GROUP.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- *By ISAAC ONGIRI*
>>>>>>> More by this Author
>>>>>>> <http://www.nation.co.ke/-/1148/1951774/-/view/asAuthor/-/mlwy0lz/-/index.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A storm is brewing in the Nyanza region over big money fund-raising
>>>>>>> events presided over by Nairobi governor Evans Kidero and Rongo MP
>>>>>>> Dalmas
>>>>>>> Otieno.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A meeting at former Prime Minister Raila Odinga's Bondo home on
>>>>>>> Monday discussed the impact of the fund-raisings after Homa Bay
>>>>>>> Senator
>>>>>>> Otieno Kajwang complained that the events were aimed at dividing the
>>>>>>> Luo
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Bondo meeting attended by more than 35 MPs, including local
>>>>>>> senators, was called by Mr Odinga to brainstorm on regional
>>>>>>> leadership.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Kidero, whose activities in Nyanza have intensified over the past
>>>>>>> few months, has been a major concern to local leaders allied to the
>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>> PM over suspicions he is attempting to take over the territory
>>>>>>> dominated by
>>>>>>> the Odingas since independence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last month, the Nairobi governor presided over a fund-raising in aid
>>>>>>> of Tom Mboya Secondary School in Awendo, which raised Sh15 million,
>>>>>>> including Sh2 million from President Uhuru Kenyatta and Sh500,000
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> Deputy President William Ruto.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This month, Dr Kidero presided over yet another event at Asumbi
>>>>>>> Catholic Church, which collected Sh11 million.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And last weekend, Rongo MP Dalmas Otieno hosted another fund-raising
>>>>>>> in aid of Kamagambo Adventist Church, Ranen, which mobilised Sh6.4
>>>>>>> million
>>>>>>> including Sh1 million each from the President and his deputy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Ruto was present at the event, which has seen Mr Otieno
>>>>>>> castigated
>>>>>>> by his colleagues for saying Mr Ruto is being sacrificed at the
>>>>>>> International Criminal Court because of his strong struggle to bring
>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>> to the people of the region in the 2007 elections.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Kidero on Friday told the *Saturday Nation* that his activities
>>>>>>> in Nyanza have no political ends, but are driven desire to end the
>>>>>>> widespread poverty while at the same time resu citing the once
>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>> giant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I want our people to understand that I am not doing this to compete
>>>>>>> with Mr Odinga. He is the leader of the Luo, something I have
>>>>>>> accepted
>>>>>>> while I am the governor of Nairobi – somewhere below his rank. We
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> raise funds to build schools and take our children to school," he
>>>>>>> told the *Saturday
>>>>>>> Nation*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr Kidero's monthly Nyanza tours  are expected to continue in the
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> year with a major fund-raising for youth groups in Kisumu expected
>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>> month, another fund-raising in March in Muhoroni to support women
>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>> and one in Suba in aid of St Gabriel's Gwassi Girls Secondary School
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> scheduled for May.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I am not just doing this in Nyanza. The other day I was in Tetu
>>>>>>> raising funds for a local school. This is because government funds
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> never be enough for everything," he stated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suba MP Mr John Mbadi, who attended the meeting at Mr Odinga's home,
>>>>>>> said that though concerns were raised about the massive donations,
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> particular individual was discussed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Yes it is true the issue about harambees was raised but it was not
>>>>>>> in the agenda. There are concerns that some individuals want to use
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> fundraisings to gain political support in the region," Mr Mbadi
>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He explained: "There was a feeling that these harambees were used by
>>>>>>> President Daniel Moi to hoodwink Kenyans that development could be
>>>>>>> achieved
>>>>>>> through them while public money was looted and diverted to private
>>>>>>> activities," the Suba MP said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mbita MP Millie Odhiambo, who was also in Bondo, said the leaders
>>>>>>> were only worried about the source of money being donated in
>>>>>>> harambees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There was concern about where this people are getting their money
>>>>>>> from because we know their salaries cannot fund such multi-million
>>>>>>> projects," she said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Otieno criticised Nyanza leaders for their stand on Harambees,
>>>>>>> arguing that the region's skyrocketing poverty could escalate to
>>>>>>> unimaginable level if a caveat on such events was imposed as
>>>>>>> suggested by
>>>>>>> some local leaders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The truth is that Nyanza is poor. We must be able to raise funds
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> churches to be built and our children to go to school. It will be
>>>>>>> unfair to
>>>>>>> deny our people an opportunity to raise funds to supplement on
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> funds like CDF," he argued.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Rongo MP wondered why the Bondo meeting castigated him and the
>>>>>>> Nairobi governor, adding that Mr Odinga himself sent Sh100,000  in
>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>> of the Ranen fundraising.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The MP also maintained his comments on Mr Ruto's situation: "It is
>>>>>>> true that if the youths from the Rift Valley did not block the
>>>>>>> highways the
>>>>>>> Grand Coalition government under which Mr Odinga became PM could not
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> happened."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He added that Mr Ruto deserved support from the people of Nyanza
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> as the region also deserves compensation from the State for losses
>>>>>>> incurred
>>>>>>> by individuals from the area who were affected by the 2008
>>>>>>> post-election
>>>>>>> violence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On his part, Dr Kidero insists that the biggest thing in his mind is
>>>>>>> how to change and transform lives and not rhetoric.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kisumu Senator Anyang Nyong'o recently attempted to introduce a
>>>>>>> Motion in the Senate to tax funds obtained from Harambees.
>>>>>>> [image: Image][image: User avatar]\
>>>>>>> Veritas liberabit vos
>>>>>>> The truth Shall set you free
>>>>>>> http://www.kuria-mwangi.blogspot.com
>>>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/kjmwangi
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