Re: [wanabidii] Nawahurumia wake zao ambao wana UKIMWI uliotoka kwangu

Nzigamasabo,mseminari na mtawa,unasema kwako ukatoliki na ulokole
kwako yote sawa tu? Duh! Wewe kweli ulikuwa mtawa.

On 12/30/13, Nzigamasabo Didas <dimasabo13@gmail.com> wrote:
> mi ni mkatoliki tena nimesoma seminari na nilikuwa mtawa wapendwa tutafute
> Yesu kwa bidii twende mbinguni, dini haitatupeleka mbinguni ukisoma mathayo
> siku ya hukumu utaulizwa ulitenda nini na siyo ukatoliki wala ulokole ili
> tutende mema tunahitaji yesu
> nachukuwa nafasi hii kuwatakia heri ya mwaka mpya wa 2014 ,Yesu atubariki
> mpaka tushangaye
>
>
> 2013/12/28 Joseph Ludovick <josephludovick@gmail.com>
>
>> Wewe didas angalia mambo yako ya ulokole.achana na wakatoliki.
>>
>> On 12/29/13, Nzigamasabo Didas <dimasabo13@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Nawashukuru sana wachangiaji kimsingi kila mtu ataubeba mzigo wake
>> > mwenyewe kama ukitaka kuona uso wa Mungu hakika lazima ulifuate na
>> > kulitii neno lake. kwa wale wakatoliki hakuna sababu ya ubishi juu ya
>> > kuooka ebu tumia muda wako shiriki kwenye kikundi cha uamusho
>> > /karzimatiki katoliki utajifunza mengi , tatizo letu hatuna mafundisho
>> > endelevu ya neno la Mungu, unabatizwa ukiwa mtoto, komunio mdogo na
>> > kipaimara pia baada ya hapo huna kitu zaidi ya mafundisho ya jumapili
>> > kama unaenda? nawapongeza waliotoa nukuu kudhibisha kuwa kuna kuokoka
>> > na kuwa ndiyo mwanzo wa safari na utawezaje kupigana vita vya kiroho
>> > kama hauko rohoni na unakuwaje mtu wa rohoni kabla hujamkiri Yesu kuwa
>> > bwana na mwokozi wako
>> > Tuache ubishi "WATU WANGU WANAANGAMIA KWA KUKOSA MAARIFA"'
>> > MBARIKIWE
>> >
>> > On 12/28/13, Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Leon
>> >>
>> >> Kwani lazima mkutane mahali kama ulipopataja. Kanisa ni mimi, Kanisa
>> >> ni
>> >> wewe, Kanisa ni sisi. Ukiishatambua kwamba wewe ni Kanisa basi mengine
>> ni
>> >> marahisi zaidi. Kote ulikokutaja kuna taratibu ambazo nyingi ni za
>> >> kibinadamu zaidi kuliko zile za Kimungu.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2013/12/28 Paschal Leon <paschalleon@yahoo.com>
>> >>
>> >>> Imeandikwa "msiache kukutana" sasa tutakutania wapi ndugu? sina maana
>> ya
>> >>> majengo ni kujifunza neon.
>> >>>
>> >>> *From:* Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com>
>> >>> *To:* wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, December 27, 2013 3:02 PM
>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [wanabidii] Nawahurumia wake zao ambao wana UKIMWI
>> >>> uliotoka kwangu
>> >>>
>> >>> Leon
>> >>>
>> >>> Nashukuru kwa maelekezo. Kwa ufupi kote ulikokutaja nao wanamfahamu
>> Yesu
>> >>> huyu huyu wa Biblia na wala si mwingine. Mie macho na masikio ni kwa
>> >>> YESU
>> >>> tu wala siyo kwenye hayo majengo ndugu mpendwa.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2013/12/27 Joseph Ludovick <josephludovick@gmail.com>
>> >>>
>> >>> Salaale.jane ni muongo na mzandiki.hii habari ya kubuni haina
>> >>> logic,coherence wala consistence. Kama alivyohoji mtu hapo achana na
>> >>> hekaya za abunuwasi sema tu unataka watu waokoke.
>> >>> kuleta habari Za kulaani pombe,disco nk ni ujuha.fahamu
>> >>> unachokiongelea.kuokoka kupo na wote tumeokolewa na yesu.then
>> >>> tunapaswa kuongoka kwa kubadili maisha yetu,ili hatimaye tupate
>> >>> ukamilifu wa wokovu.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/27/13, Francis Kasili <Francis.Kasili@nmbtz.com> wrote:
>> >>> > Tazameni kidogo hapa. Yohana 1:12 inasema wote waliompokea aliwapa
>> >>> > uwezo
>> >>> > kuwa wana wa Mungu, Inaendelea kusema ndio wale walio liamini Jina
>> >>> > la
>> >>> Mwana
>> >>> > wa Mungu. Marko sura ya 28 inasema na ishara zitaambatana na hao
>> >>> waaminio,
>> >>> > kwa Jina la Lake{Yesu} Watatoa pepo, watasema kwa lugha mpya na
>> >>> > hata
>> >>> wakila
>> >>> > kitu cha kufisha hakitawadhuru kabisa. Hapa inaashiria kwa
>> >>> > waliookoka
>> >>> ambao
>> >>> > wanapokea uwezo toka kwa Mungu mwenyewe. Pia yapasa mtu atambue
>> wokovu
>> >>> > ni
>> >>> > neema ambayo mtu hipewa na Mungu maana Biblia inasema si wengi
>> >>> > wenye
>> >>> hekima,
>> >>> > si wengi wenye elimu, bali Mungu aliamua kuwaokoa waamio kwa upuuzi
>> wa
>> >>> hilo
>> >>> > neno ili kuwaabisha wenye akili. Pia 1korinrtho 1:18 inesema neno
>> >>> > la
>> >>> msalaba
>> >>> > kwa wanaookolewa ni nguvu ya Mungu bali kwa wanaopotea ni upuuzi.
>> >>> > Jamani
>> >>> > swala la wokovu halihitaji akili nyingi sana za kibinadamu kwani
>> >>> > huko
>> >>> > ni
>> >>> > kulichakachua Neno la Mungu, Anguko la Adamu limerejeshwa na Yesu
>> >>> > na
>> >>> > ni
>> >>> kwa
>> >>> > hiari ya mtu pasipo shuruti ndipo unapata wokovu. Mwenye sikio na
>> >>> > asikie
>> >>> na
>> >>> > mwenye macho atazame.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Always darkness will never comprehend light
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ________________________________
>> >>> > From: wanabidii@googlegroups.com [wanabidii@googlegroups.com] on
>> >>> > behalf
>> >>> of
>> >>> > Reuben Mwandumbya [ipyana75@yahoo.com]
>> >>> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 9:18 AM
>> >>> > To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Nawahurumia wake zao ambao wana UKIMWI
>> >>> > uliotoka
>> >>> > kwangu
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Bariki;
>> >>> > ''aaminie na kubatizwa ataokoka'' this is future continuous tense,
>> >>> haisemi
>> >>> > ameokoka hivyo siku ya mwisho ya kuwasilisha hesabu mbele za Mungu
>> ndo
>> >>> > utajua,hii ni safari ndefu otherwise ingekuwa baada ya ubatizo
>> >>> > tunafunga
>> >>> > ukurasa kwamba tumemaliza kazi tunasubiri kwenda peponi.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > By then naomba tuishie hapa mana mambo ya imani hayaitaji
>> >>> > kuyajadili,ni
>> >>> > mambo binafsi.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Mwaka mpya njema.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:25 PM, Bariki Mwasaga <
>> >>> bmwasaga@gmail.com>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> > Mwl MM
>> >>> > Ubarikiwe. Binafsi sikutaka kuingia ndani kutokana na kwamba uzi
>> >>> > uliopo
>> >>> > haukulenga hiki lakini yote ni mema. Mwenye sikio na asikie na
>> >>> > atende
>> >>> > sawasawa na Neno la Mungu.
>> >>> > On Dec 26, 2013 10:17 PM, "Mathew Mndeme"
>> >>> > <mathewmndeme@gmail.com<mailto:mathewmndeme@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>> > Well put Bariki,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Bila kujiingiza kwenye presentation ya Jane, naomba niseme neno na
>> >>> > wale
>> >>> > ambao wamejitambulisha huku kuwa ni wakristo na bado wanakuwa na
>> >>> > ujasiri
>> >>> wa
>> >>> > kupinga dhana ya WOKOVU na wanaoukiri wokovu.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The facts kuwa wewe huamini katika wokovu au una mefundisho tofauti
>> >>> kuhusu
>> >>> > concept ya wokovu, haiondoi ukweli kuwa hakuna wokovu au haimfanyi
>> mtu
>> >>> > anayesema kaokoka kuwa mkosaji au mpotoshaji. Kama wanadamu au
>> vikundi
>> >>> vyao
>> >>> > vya kiimani wanaosema kuwa wameokoka na wakashindwa kuishi maisha
>> >>> > ya
>> >>> wokovu,
>> >>> > hiyo pia aiondoi ukweli na uhakika wa wokovu na ukweli kwamba wale
>> >>> > wanaoamini katika Kristo Yesu imewapasa kuokoka. Kama kuna
>> wachungaji,
>> >>> > maaskofu, manabii na mwingine yeyote mwenye cheo cha kidini
>> anashindwa
>> >>> > kutembea katika wokovu, hilo ni tatizo lake mwenyewe kama alivyokua
>> >>> > Yuda
>> >>> > Iskariote, na haiondoi ukweli kwamba tumeitiwa ufuasi unaotuelekeza
>> >>> katika
>> >>> > maisha ya wokovu.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sina hakika kama ni sahihi watu kujitengenezea tafisiri ya wokovu
>> >>> > wanayoitaka wao na kuanza kuichambua kuwa sio ya kweli na wokovu
>> haupo
>> >>> > au
>> >>> > hauwezekani kwa kutumia tafisri hiyo kama reference point.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Wokovu sio utimilifu wa utakatifu bali ni kukubali ufuasi
>> >>> > unaokuelekeza
>> >>> > huko. Wokovu ni safari ya maisha ya kumpeleka mtu katika utakatifu
>> >>> > na
>> >>> > utimilifu. Kudahiliwa chuo kikuu sio kupata degree lakini ni njia
>> >>> > ya
>> >>> kupata
>> >>> > degree na kuna maisha tofuati sana unatakiwa kuishi katika kuelekea
>> >>> kuipata
>> >>> > degree tofauti na wasio kwenye mpango huo. Kuoa au kuolewa sio
>> >>> > utimilifu
>> >>> wa
>> >>> > maisha ya kifamilia yenye amani, mshikamano, furaha, na mafanikio
>> >>> > lakini
>> >>> ni
>> >>> > njia sahihi ya kuelekea huko na hakuna alternative. Wokovu ni
>> >>> > kukubali
>> >>> > kuwa kwenye kundi la wautafutao utimilifu na usafi katika
>> >>> > kumpendeza
>> >>> Mungu
>> >>> > kupitia Yesu Kristo kama Bwana na Mwokozi wa maisha yao. Ni ukiri
>> >>> unaoendana
>> >>> > na imani katika kile unachokikiri.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Hakuna mahali Biblia inasema mtu akiokoka hawezi kutenda dhambi
>> >>> > tena.
>> >>> Hata
>> >>> > Petro aliyeaminiwa na Yesu na kukabidhiwa kanisa bado alikosea
>> >>> > wakati
>> >>> > wa
>> >>> > Yesu kwa kumkana na baada ya Yesu kwa kuwa mnafiki akiwaogopa
>> Wayahudi
>> >>> mbele
>> >>> > ya mataifa. Ila kuna tofauti kubwa ya kutenda dhambi ndani ya
>> >>> > wokovu
>> >>> > na
>> >>> mtu
>> >>> > ambaye kutenda dhambi ni sehemu ya maisha yake ya kila siku. Wa
>> kwanza
>> >>> > dhambi ni ajali na sio utamaduni kwake maana maisha anayoishi
>> >>> > hayana
>> >>> wenyeji
>> >>> > wa dhambi...na kwa minajili hiyo huishi katika toba inayoendana na
>> >>> jitihada
>> >>> > ya kutoishi katika makosa/dhambi anazojikuta amefanya. Dhambi ni
>> >>> > majuto
>> >>> na
>> >>> > huzuni katika maisha yake na mara zote anajitahidi kutafuta
>> >>> > kuyafanya
>> >>> > mapenzi ya Mungu. Huyu wa pili dhambi sio ajali na haina majuto
>> ndani
>> >>> > mwake. Hajisumbui kutafuta mapenzi ya Mungu na kinyume chake
>> >>> > hujisumbua
>> >>> > kufanya mengi yaliyo kinyume na Mungu huku akiyatetea. Kuna tofauti
>> ya
>> >>> > kutenda dhambi na kuishi katika dhambi..kuna tofauti ya kukosea na
>> >>> kuishi
>> >>> > maisha ya ukosaji. Ndio mana Paulo akasema katika 2Wakorintho 5:17,
>> >>> > "Hata
>> >>> > imekuwa, mtu akiwa ndani ya Kristo amekuwa kiumbe kipya; ya kale
>> >>> > yamepita
>> >>> > tazama! Yamekuwa mapya."
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Maisha ya wokovu, utakatifu na uzima wa milele yanaanzia hapa
>> duniani.
>> >>> Wati
>> >>> > wa Yesu akina Petro walikua na maswali kama sisi: Petro akasema,
>> >>> > Tazama,
>> >>> > sisi tumeviacha vitu vyetu vyote na kukufuata. Akawaambia, Hakika
>> >>> nawaambia,
>> >>> > hakuna mtu aliyeacha nyumba, au mke, au ndugu, au wazazi, au wana,
>> kwa
>> >>> ajili
>> >>> > ya ufalme wa Mungu, asiyepokea zaidi mara nyingi katika zamani
>> >>> > hizi,
>> >>> > na
>> >>> > katika ulimwengu ujao uzima wa milele.(Luka 18:30)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Biblia inasema, "Kwa maana jinsi hii Mungu aliupenda ulimwengu,
>> >>> > hata
>> >>> akamtoa
>> >>> > Mwanawe pekee, ili kila mtu amwaminiye asipotee, bali awe na uzima
>> >>> > wa
>> >>> > milele. Maana Mungu hakumtuma Mwana ulimwenguni ili auhukumu
>> >>> > ulimwengu,
>> >>> bali
>> >>> > ulimwengu uokolewe katika yeye. Amwaminiye yeye hahukumiwi;
>> asiyeamini
>> >>> > amekwisha kuhukumiwa; kwa sababu hakuliamini jina la Mwana pekee wa
>> >>> Mungu.
>> >>> > Na hii ndiyo hukumu; ya kuwa nuru imekuja ulimwenguni, na watu
>> >>> > wakapenda
>> >>> > giza kuliko nuru; kwa maana matendo yao yalikuwa maovu (Yahana
>> >>> > 3:16-19).
>> >>> Huu
>> >>> > uzima huanzi tutakapokufa. Unaanza sasa kwa sisi kuamini na kufuata
>> >>> > kile
>> >>> > tunachoamini.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Biblia imejaa maandiko mengi tu yanayoelezea wokovu bila utata wala
>> >>> > kigugumizi. Nikupe baadhi ya reference ambazo hata hazihitaji
>> >>> > tafisiri:
>> >>> > 1) Alikuja kwake, wala walio wake hawakumpokea. Bali wote
>> >>> > waliompokea
>> >>> > aliwapa uwezo wa kufanyika watoto wa Mungu, ndio wale waliaminio
>> >>> > jina
>> >>> lake;
>> >>> > waliozaliwa, si kwa damu, wala si kwa mapenzi ya mwili, wala si kwa
>> >>> mapenzi
>> >>> > ya mtu, bali kwa Mungu (Yohana 1:11-13).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2) Tazameni, ni pendo la namna gani alilotupa Baba, kwamba tuitwe
>> >>> > wana
>> >>> wa
>> >>> > Mungu; na ndivyo tulivyo. Kwa sababu hii ulimwengu haututambui, kwa
>> >>> > kuwa
>> >>> > haukumtambua yeye. Wapenzi, sasa tu wana wa Mungu, wala
>> haijadhihirika
>> >>> bado
>> >>> > tutakavyokuwa; lakini twajua ya kuwa atakapodhihirishwa, tutafanana
>> >>> > naye;
>> >>> > kwa maana tutamwona kama alivyo. Na kila mwenye matumaini haya
>> >>> > katika
>> >>> yeye
>> >>> > hujitakasa, kama yeye alivyo mtakatifu. (1Yohana 3:1-3)
>> >>> > 3) Yeye ndiye jiwe lile lililodharauliwa na ninyi waashi, nalo
>> >>> limewekwa
>> >>> > kuwa jiwe kuu la pembeni. Wala hakuna wokovu katika mwingine awaye
>> >>> > yote,
>> >>> kwa
>> >>> > maana hapana jina jingine chini ya mbingu walilopewa wanadamu
>> >>> > litupasalo
>> >>> > sisi kuokolewa kwalo (Matendo 4:12)
>> >>> > 4) Wote anipao Baba watakuja kwangu; wala ye yote ajaye kwangu
>> >>> sitamtupa
>> >>> > nje kamwe. Kwa kuwa mimi sikushuka kutoka mbinguni ili niyafanye
>> >>> > mapenzi
>> >>> > yangu, bali mapenzi yake aliyenipeleka. Na mapenzi yake
>> >>> > aliyenipeleka
>> >>> > ni
>> >>> > haya, ya kwamba katika wote alionipa nisimpoteze hata mmoja, bali
>> >>> nimfufue
>> >>> > siku ya mwisho. Kwa kuwa mapenzi yake Baba yangu ni haya, ya kwamba
>> >>> > kila
>> >>> > amtazamaye Mwana na kumwamini yeye, awe na uzima wa milele; nami
>> >>> nitamfufua
>> >>> > siku ya mwisho (Yohana 6:37-40)
>> >>> > 5) Kwa sababu, ukimkiri Yesu kwa kinywa chako ya kuwa ni Bwana,
>> >>> > na
>> >>> > kuamini moyoni mwako ya kuwa Mungu alimfufua katika wafu, utaokoka.
>> >>> > Kwa
>> >>> > maana kwa moyo mtu huamini hata kupata haki, na kwa kinywa hukiri
>> hata
>> >>> > kupata wokovu. Kwa maana andiko lanena, Kila amwaminiye
>> hatatahayarika
>> >>> > (Warumi 10:9-11).
>> >>> > 6) Basi, ndugu zangu, nawasihi, kwa huruma zake Mungu, itoeni
>> miili
>> >>> yenu
>> >>> > iwe dhabihu iliyo hai, takatifu, ya kumpendeza Mungu, ndiyo ibada
>> yenu
>> >>> yenye
>> >>> > maana. Wala msiifuatishe namna ya dunia hii; bali mgeuzwe kwa
>> kufanywa
>> >>> upya
>> >>> > nia zenu, mpate kujua hakika mapenzi ya Mungu yaliyo mema, ya
>> >>> kumpendeza, na
>> >>> > ukamilifu (Warumi 12:1-2).
>> >>> > 7) Naye alituokoa katika nguvu za giza, akatuhamisha na
>> >>> > kutuingiza
>> >>> katika
>> >>> > ufalme wa Mwana wa pendo lake; ambaye katika yeye tuna ukombozi,
>> >>> > yaani,
>> >>> > msamaha wa dhambi; (Wakolosai 1:13-14)
>> >>> > 8) Bali ninyi ni mzao mteule, ukuhani wa kifalme, taifa
>> >>> > takatifu,
>> >>> watu wa
>> >>> > milki ya Mungu, mpate kuzitangaza fadhili zake yeye aliyewaita
>> >>> > mtoke
>> >>> gizani
>> >>> > mkaingie katika nuru yake ya ajabu; ninyi mliokuwa kwanza si taifa,
>> >>> > bali
>> >>> > sasa ni taifa la Mungu; mliokuwa hamkupata rehema, bali sasa
>> >>> > mmepata
>> >>> > rehema.(1Petro 29-10)
>> >>> > Mwisho wa yote wokovu sio human creation. Ni mpango wa Mungu
>> >>> > mwenywe
>> >>> > wa
>> >>> > kumuokoa mwanadamu. Na kwa vile vile ni mpango wa Mungu, chenye
>> >>> > nguvu
>> >>> > ni
>> >>> > imani. Basi imani ni kuwa na hakika ya mambo yatarajiwayo, ni
>> >>> > bayana
>> >>> > ya
>> >>> > mambo yasiyoonekana. Maana kwa hiyo wazee wetu walishuhudiwa. Kwa
>> >>> > imani
>> >>> > twafahamu ya kuwa ulimwengu uliumbwa kwa neno la Mungu, hata vitu
>> >>> > vinavyoonekana havikufanywa kwa vitu vilivyo dhahiri. (Waebrania
>> 11:1)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Na kama vile haitoshi Biblia inasema, " Lakini pasipo imani
>> >>> > haiwezekani
>> >>> > kumpendeza; kwa maana mtu amwendeaye Mungu lazima aamini kwamba
>> >>> > yeye
>> >>> yuko,
>> >>> > na kwamba huwapa thawabu wale wamtafutao."(Waebrania 11:6)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Wasalaam
>> >>> >
>> >>> > MM
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > _____________________________________________________
>> >>> > Mathew Mndeme, PgD, MSc, BSc (Hons)
>> >>> > Assistant Lecturer and Information Systems Analyst
>> >>> > Department of Computer Science and Engineering
>> >>> > College of Information and Communication Technologies
>> >>> > University of Dar es Salaam
>> >>> > P.O. Box 35062, Dar es Salaam
>> >>> > Mobile: +255 (0) 782 581941<
>> >>> https://192.168.114.74/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>
>> >>> > / 713 581941 / 756 581941
>> >>> > Alternative E-mail: mathewmndeme@udsm.ac.tz<mailto:
>> >>> mathewmndeme@udsm.ac.tz>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 2013/12/26 Bariki Mwasaga
>> >>> > <bmwasaga@gmail.com<mailto:bmwasaga@gmail.com
>> >>> >>
>> >>> > Reuben
>> >>> > Bahati nzuri Biblia niisomayo inasema aaminie na kubatizwa
>> >>> > ataokoka.
>> >>> > Kwa
>> >>> > lugha nyingine ya kibiblia ni kwamba kila atakayempokea Mwana wa
>> Mungu
>> >>> > atafanyika naye Mwana wa Mungu ni hivi ndivyo Nicodemu
>> >>> > alivyoelezwa
>> >>> > akafanye na Kristo zamani zile. Haya yanafanyika vipi basi ndiyo
>> >>> > unarudi
>> >>> kwa
>> >>> > Paulo mtume kwenye Warumi 10:9-10. Huyu Paulo Mtume anasema siyo
>> >>> > kwamba
>> >>> > ameeishafika bali anakaza mwendo ili aweze kufikia ile mede ya
>> >>> > thawabu
>> >>> ya
>> >>> > mwito mkuu wa Kristo. Wokovu ni safari ambayo katika kitabu cha
>> Ufunuo
>> >>> > wa
>> >>> > Yohana kuna mahali ile mlango wa 3 anauliza...je uko wapi ule
>> >>> > upendo
>> >>> > wa
>> >>> > kwanza? Kwanini kauliza hivyo ni kwasababu mtu alimwamini Mungu
>> >>> (aliokoka)
>> >>> > baadaye akaiacha hiyo njia na ndiyo maana malaika ametumwa kuulizia
>> >>> > hilo
>> >>> > katika Kanisa.
>> >>> > Ushauri kwa wote,
>> >>> > Haya masuala ya imani kila mtu ana imani yake na sidhani kama ni
>> >>> > baraka
>> >>> > kuanza kumpinga mtu mwingine kuhusu maandiko ambayo yeye
>> >>> > anayaamini.
>> >>> Kama ni
>> >>> > kinyume na uelewa wako basi bora ukae kimya. Maandiko kuhusu wokovu
>> >>> yamejaa
>> >>> > tele tunaweza kugeuza jukwaa kuwa mimbari tuanze kuhubiri.
>> >>> > On Dec 26, 2013 5:08 PM, "Reuben Mwandumbya"
>> >>> > <ipyana75@yahoo.com<mailto:ipyana75@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Misango;
>> >>> > Kuongoka ndiko kupo kwa wanaojiita walokole na kuokaka ni baada ya
>> >>> kupitia
>> >>> > mauti huko mbele ya safari utajua ulitenda uliyopasa kuyatenda kwa
>> >>> mujibu wa
>> >>> > mafundisho ya Mwenyezi au kwa watakao bahatika siku ya parapanda
>> ndipo
>> >>> > watajua nafasi zao.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sio ajabu siku ya mwisho tukaja kushuhudia hata
>> >>> Maaskofu,Wachungaji,Mashehe
>> >>> > n.k tupo nao motoni,ndipo hapo tutakapo ulizana mara mbili tatu
>> kwamba
>> >>> hata
>> >>> > wewe ndugu upo huku??
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Ndio kuna kusema kwamba fuata maneno yangu usifuate matendo,mana
>> >>> > upo
>> >>> > uwezekano wa watu wanaosema wameokoka kuwa wameongoka,hivyo sababu
>> >>> hatuwezi
>> >>> > kuhakiki ukweli wao,siku ya mwisho ndipo tutajua maharage na soya.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:53 PM, Charles Misango
>> >>> > <misangocharles@yahoo.com<mailto:misangocharles@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> >>> > Paschal na Reuben nisaidieni swahili hili. Nini tofauti kati ya
>> >>> > KUONGOKA
>> >>> na
>> >>> > KUOKOKA? maana mleta hoja ametulazimisha tujadili na mambo mengine
>> >>> > zaidi
>> >>> > kama alivyosema Mashaka kwamba njia aliyotumia kufikisha ujumbe
>> >>> > haikuwa
>> >>> > sahihi sana
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:21 PM, Mashaka Mgeta
>> >>> > <mgeta2000@yahoo.com<mailto:mgeta2000@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> >>> > Swali kwa Jane.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Unajuaje kama miongoni mwa zaidi ya 1500, walikuwamo wanaoishi na
>> VVU,
>> >>> hivyo
>> >>> > kilichofanyika ni KUBADILISHANA virusi hivyo na si wewe
>> >>> > kuwaambukiza?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nadhani ulilenga kuionya jamii kuhusu uovu na maovu lakini 'njia'
>> >>> > uliyoitumia haitoi jawabu hata la kuonyesha kwamba UMEOKOKA.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:10 AM, Reuben Mwandumbya
>> >>> > <ipyana75@yahoo.com<mailto:ipyana75@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> >>> > Pascal;
>> >>> > Mkatoliki sio wewe pekee,tupo/wapo wengi,uokovu usiuchukulie rahisi
>> >>> dhambi
>> >>> > zipo za makundi manne mawazo,maneno,matendo na kutotimiza wajibu.
>> Hapa
>> >>> sio
>> >>> > rahisi kuchomoka na kusema umeokoka kaka,otherwise ntakuwa sijui
>> maana
>> >>> > ya
>> >>> > kuokoka,lakini maana yake ni kwamba hupatikani katika hizi zote
>> >>> > sasa
>> >>> > wewe
>> >>> > utakuwa sio binadamu.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Hata hivyo imani ni jambo la mtu binafsi,lets leave it.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Skukuu njema.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:31 PM, Paschal Leon
>> >>> > <paschalleon@yahoo.com<mailto:paschalleon@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> >>> > toa andiko, achana na sisi wakatoliki, hiyo iko kwenye biblia ipi?
>> >>> > wokovu
>> >>> > upo, ni mtazamo wako mdogo na kutotumia Roho Mtakatifu akufunulie,
>> >>> > soma
>> >>> John
>> >>> > 3 yote kwa kuomba ufunuo utaona hata Nicodemu hakujua maana ya
>> >>> > wokovu
>> >>> > sembuse wewe mkatoliki?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > From: Reuben Mwandumbya
>> >>> > <ipyana75@yahoo.com<mailto:ipyana75@yahoo.com>>
>> >>> > To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com<mailto:wanabidii@googlegroups.com>"
>> >>> > <wanabidii@googlegroups.com<mailto:wanabidii@googlegroups.com>>
>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:21 PM
>> >>> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Nawahurumia wake zao ambao wana UKIMWI
>> >>> > uliotoka
>> >>> > kwangu
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Comrade Lutinwa;
>> >>> > Exactly my friend,there you are.
>> >>> > Pia kwa sisi wakatoliki tunajua you can not claim 'saved' kabla
>> >>> > hujapitia
>> >>> > mauti.
>> >>> > Binadamu tunaishi kwa kutenda zambi,huwezi kusema nimeokoka bado
>> >>> > unaishi,shida ya walokole wanazani zambi ni pombe na kuzini tu.
>> >>> > Merry boxing day Jomba.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:43 PM, Lushengo Lutinwa
>> >>> > <lutinwa@gmail.com<mailto:lutinwa@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >>> > Even with this confession I still regard you as a devil; although
>> >>> > you
>> >>> > consider yourself saved.
>> >>> > On 26 Dec 2013 11:55, "Jane Mwakalukwa"
>> >>> > <mwakalukwa@gmail.com<
>> https://192.168.114.74/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>>
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> > Mimi ni Jane naishi mwenge Dar es Salaam naomba utalifuta jina la
>> baba
>> >>> yangu
>> >>> > maana sitaki liwe kwenye blog watu watanijua na kuniangamiza maana
>> >>> > nimeshawaangamiza wengi sana kwa UKIMWI ila mengine yote usifute
>> >>> > hata
>> >>> moja
>> >>> > ili dunia ijue tu japokua mimi nitakufa kwa huu ukimwi nilionao.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nilizaliwa mkoa wa Dodoma na nilishi vizuri tu tangu utotoni na
>> >>> > hata
>> >>> > sikujihusisha na ngono hadi nilipomaliza form 4 mwaka 2006 baada ya
>> >>> kumaliza
>> >>> > nilikuja hapa Dar kuishi kwa mama mdogo aliyeolewa hapa Mwenge.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nilipata marafiki wengi tu na kuna kijana mmoja alinitongoza kwa
>> >>> > muda
>> >>> mrefu
>> >>> > sana na siunajua vijana wengi hutumia
>> >>> > muda mrefu kutongoza ili msichana unadhani kwamba labda huyo
>> >>> > anakupenda
>> >>> > kumbe anataka tu ngono na wadada wengi sana hudhani kufuatiliwa kwa
>> >>> > muda
>> >>> > mrefu na mvulana basi huyo yuko serious kumbe hakuna lolote.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nilimkubalia tukawa wapenzi ila nilikataa kuhusu kufanya mapenzi
>> maana
>> >>> > anayekupenda kiukweli sio uongo lazima asitake ngono kabla ya ndoa.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Kwa miezi kama 5 hadi 6 aliniambia kuhusu kufanya mapenzi nilikataa
>> >>> alitumia
>> >>> > mbinu nyingi sana kwa kunibembeleza na hata kulia mbele yangu ili
>> >>> tufanye tu
>> >>> > mara moja ila nilikataa, alisema atavumilia hadi siku ya ndoa yetu
>> >>> > ambapo
>> >>> > tulipanga kuoana mwaka sept 2009.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Siku moja aliniambia twende kwenye kumbi za starehe na mimi kwa
>> sababu
>> >>> > ya
>> >>> > upagani na kumwamini pia kwa sababu nampenda nilikubali tulienda
>> >>> > huko
>> >>> > na
>> >>> > kulikua na bendi fulani maarufu ya mziki wa dansi ilikua
>> >>> > inatumbuiza.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Tulitafuta sehemu na kukaa na mpenzi wangu akaagiza pombe alianza
>> >>> > kunywa
>> >>> > huku akinionjesha, nilikataa kwa sababu nilikua sijawahi kunywa
>> >>> > pombe
>> >>> katika
>> >>> > maisha yangu yote, hata sijui alinishawishi vipi nilijikuta
>> >>> > nakunywa
>> >>> kidogo
>> >>> > kidogo na kwa kuwa tulikaa pale kwa muda zaidi ya masaa 5 nadhani
>> >>> nikunywa
>> >>> > kama bia 3 au 4 japokua nilikua nakunywa kidogo kidogo tu tena kwa
>> >>> kunywesha
>> >>> > na mpenzi wangu maana nikama nikua nanyweshwa kila baada kama ya
>> >>> > dakika
>> >>> 25
>> >>> > ndipo nakunywa mara moja na sikujuia kama nakunywa pombe ila
>> niliihisi
>> >>> > tu
>> >>> > naonja ili kumlizisha mpenzi wangu.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Ilipofika saa 10 alfajiri nilihisi usingizi na pia nilijiona wa
>> >>> > tofauti
>> >>> > najua nililewa hata kama sikujua kama nimelewa maana nakumbuka
>> >>> > tulitoka
>> >>> pale
>> >>> > huku amenishika mkono huyo mpenzi wangu. Tulikodo tax na kuondoka
>> >>> > na
>> >>> > siku
>> >>> > hiyo aliniambia twende kwake alikokua amepanga chumba maana tulikua
>> na
>> >>> > usingizi sana nilikubali huku nikidhani hatuwezi kufanya mapenzi.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Tulifika salama na kuingia ndani ukweli pombe ni kichocheo cha
>> >>> > ngono
>> >>> > na
>> >>> > ningekua mimi ndio Raisi wa Tanzania ningefunga bar zote.
>> >>> > Nilijikuta
>> >>> > natamani kufanya mapenzi na huyu mpenzi wangu hata alikua hana nia
>> >>> > maana
>> >>> > alijua atanichukiza sana na uhusiano ungekufa siku hiyo lakini kwa
>> >>> sababu ya
>> >>> > pombe nilimwambia siku hiyo tufanye kidogo maana mwili wangu
>> >>> > unataka.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Ni kweli siku hiyo kwa sababu ya pombe nilifanya mapenzi na huyo
>> >>> > mpenzi
>> >>> > wangu na baadae akanipeleka nyumbani baada ya wiki mbili maana
>> tulikaa
>> >>> wiki
>> >>> > mbili bila kuonana alikuja na kunieleza habari ambayo sikuihitaji
>> >>> > katika
>> >>> > maisha yangu maana nilikua nasikia tu kwa watu wengine lakini sio
>> >>> > kwangu
>> >>> > alisema "JANE ISHI KWA MATUMAINI KUANZIA SASA"
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nilidhani utani lakini aliniambia kuwa yeye ana UKIMWI tangu miaka
>> >>> > mitano
>> >>> > iliyopita na anapenda tu ngono maana hawezi kuacha.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nililia sana na baada ya wiki moja baadae nikaenda kupima na
>> >>> > kukutwa
>> >>> > nina
>> >>> > ugojwa ambao niliusikia tu kwa watu na chanzo cha yote ni pombe,
>> >>> > kupenda
>> >>> > starehe,disko na upagani unaotusumbua wanadamu wengi.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nilikua na UKIMWI na kwa hasira maana mpenzi wangu alihamia Arusha
>> >>> > huku
>> >>> > akisema neno moja la mwisho kwamba "shetani amemtuma kuwaambukiza
>> >>> wanadamu
>> >>> > UKIMWI"
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Sikujua, sikujua, sikujua, sikujuaaaaaaaaa, basi tu ooh YESU
>> nihurumie
>> >>> mimi
>> >>> > leo. Nilibebeshwa mzigo ambao haukunistahili mimi. Hata leo hua
>> >>> > najiuliza
>> >>> > kwamba nilijitunza kwa miaka 23 yote lakini pombe na huyu wakala wa
>> >>> shetani
>> >>> > wamenifanyia hivi. Baada ya kujua nina UKIMWI na hali hiyo
>> nikaikubali
>> >>> > na
>> >>> > kulikua na kundi kubwa sana la wanaume ambao walikua wamewahi
>> >>> kunitongoza na
>> >>> > niliwakataa sana kwa sababu hii niliwakubali ili nami nife na
>> >>> > wengi.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nilianza kumkubali kila mmoja na kuna baba mmoja ambaye ana wake 3
>> >>> niliwahi
>> >>> > kumtukana sana kipindi cha nyuma kila aliponitongoza lakini wakati
>> huu
>> >>> > nilimkubali na hakuamini na tukafanya ngono tena bila kinga na
>> >>> akaniaachia
>> >>> > pesa laki 6 kama zawadi ya kumkubali kumbe naye hakujua kuwa
>> >>> namwambukiza na
>> >>> > hata leo hua nawahurumia tu wale wake zake ambao wana UKIMWI
>> >>> > uliotoka
>> >>> > kwangu.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Kiukweli tangu Mei 2009 hadi 2012 nimeshatembea na wanaume zaidi
>> >>> > 1500
>> >>> maana
>> >>> > ilifika kipindi nala na wanaume 3 kwa siku na lengo langu
>> >>> > niwakomeshe
>> >>> kama
>> >>> > mimi nilivyokomeshwa na nina uhakika kutokana na mimi wameambukizwa
>> >>> UKIMWI
>> >>> > wanadamu zaidi ya 10,000 na hili tangazo la "TUKO WANGAPI" huwa
>> >>> linaniliza
>> >>> > kila siku maana hata mimi najua kabisa nilianzisha mtandao kama huo
>> wa
>> >>> ngono
>> >>> > kwa idadi kubwa sana ya watu.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Nimeokoka miezi 7 iliyopita na siku naombewa nilikutwa na mapepo
>> mengi
>> >>> sana
>> >>> > na hata waombeaji wakashangaa. Ningejua ningeokoka tangu nikiwa na
>> >>> > miaka
>> >>> 5
>> >>> > lakini ndio hivyo sina jinsi wala uwezo wa kubadirisha hali hiyo.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Na naomba kila atakayesoma ujumbe huu ajue kuanzia leo kuwa pombe
>> >>> > ni
>> >>> dhambi
>> >>> > pia kwenda disko ni dhambi ,kuuza pombe ni dhambi na kila kichochoe
>> >>> chochote
>> >>> > cha dhambi ni dhambi. Hadi sasa mtu yeyote hawezi kujua kama nina
>> >>> > UKIMWI
>> >>> na
>> >>> > sijui MUNGU ana mpango gani na mimi maana kwake yote yanawezekana.
>> >>> Nauamini
>> >>> > uponyaji wake na sijawahi kutumia ARV hata siku moja na afya yangu
>> iko
>> >>> sawa
>> >>> > tu na huwezi hata wewe kujua kama uovu huu nimefanya mimi.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Ndugu zangu kama una UKIMWI nenda kanisani ukaombewe na kama una
>> akili
>> >>> mpe
>> >>> > YESU maisha yako maana pia baada ya kifo ni hukumu. Yasalimishe
>> maisha
>> >>> yako
>> >>> > kwa YESU na usiambukize wengine tena.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Mimi tangu niokoke sijawahi kufanya mapenzi tena na sitafanya hivyo
>> >>> > wala
>> >>> > sitaolewa na mtu yeyote maana yatosha kwa uovu niliofanya na hadi
>> sasa
>> >>> wapo
>> >>> > ninaowajua zaidi ya 15 wameshafariki na nilihudhulia misibani huku
>> >>> nikijua
>> >>> > kabisa chanzo ni mimi.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Mwisho nawashauri wababa kulidhika na wake zao na wamama pia
>> ridhikeni
>> >>> > na
>> >>> > waume zenu, vijana ambao hamjaoa wala kuolewa subiri hadi utakapooa
>> au
>> >>> > kuolewa na kabla ya kuolewa au kuoa kapimeni kwanza kwani wenye
>> UKIMWI
>> >>> > ni
>> >>> > wengi kuliko unavyodhani.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Fuata unachofundishwa kanisani na pia soma BIBLIA na uwe mtakatifu.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > MUNGU akubariki
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Ni mimi Jane,
>> >>> > Mwenge, Dar es salaam
>> >>> > Tanzania
>> >>> >
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