Kuria,
Did you guys fund-raise for all those national Schools located in Central? Did you fund-raise for the Thika Highway currently under construction? Did you fund-raise for all those industries that Jomo used to force to locate in Thika if they wanted to do business in Kenya? On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 11:08 PM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
It is laughable to hear nonsense being peddled to the effect that the churched Kidero and Dalmas went help build should be build by the Govt. That never happen anywhere. May be in Vatican. They never fundraised for roads but even schools needs them unless they want children school under trees. I am shocked to hear serikali saidia from intellectuals.
On Dec 30, 2013 2:53 PM, "Michael Gichigo" <gichigo70@gmail.com> wrote:MO,Whose responsibility is it to develop an area? Or better still, who should initiate the development?In my books, the consumers of the development initiate and execute. You do not need the government to start. Allow me to tell you how it worked in a village I lived in in the very early 1960's. A lot husbands lived/worked in Nairobi while wives and children were in the village The husbands rarely went home. Many of them had mipangos and did not need sex from their wives. The wives might go to Nairobi, for insemination purposes. Once she gets pregnant, she goes back to the village. BTW, this was the era where the letter-writing skills of KM and others were needed. If the woman felt she needed another baby and she is neither invited in Nairobi nor is the dude not coming, a letter had to be writtenMost houses were grass-thatched. The wives realised their husbands would never build better houses. The guys had comfortable lives, complete with sexual services in Nairobi. The women were just baby-producing factories. These women got together and formed groups call 'Itatis'. They would contribute their meager resources and buy iron sheets. Once they had enough for one house, they one day descend on a house and replace the grass with the sheets. Then to the next house, ad infinitum.
Maurice, drop that 4 government thing. The government does not consume development. Most of the dispensaries and schools in Central were not started by the government. There were Harambee schools which were later taken over by the government.Did I add that when a man came home and found out what the wife had done he would 'wake up'? He would realise that he was being rendered irrelevant. From then on, he became a very active participant in the development and sometimes increased the frequency of trips home.Ask me what this has to do with development in Nyanza. And its not just NyanzaMike--On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:17 AM, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:Which politician are you blaming for the drought, hunger and the poverty in NEP? Which Somali politician is responsible for all the misery in NEP? The government of Kenya or the local Somali leaders?Weli,We've had 4 presidents since independence and it has been their job to develop all parts of the country.
Why should Nyanza be any different?
Why should Kidero use his money and his friends' to develop Nyanza when Nyanza people pay their taxes? What model have you folks used in NEP that has made you so wealthy that we should copy in Nyanza? Please lend us your model.
CourageCourage--On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Mohamedweli Abdi <manderaeast@gmail.com> wrote:
Nelson,
Why does Okil have to do that. Its also your obligation to rescue the people of South Nyanza. Unless you want them to "kaa hivyo hivyo" you should play your role in liberating them from blindly following thing naked king.
Its to the extent that we are called tribalist and hate mongers for criticizing Raila in the forums. Please differentiate Raila the Former PM and Luo the tribe. I thought its the other way around that Raila is Luo not Luo tribe is Raila.
The cult members like the idiot Cosmos and that mad man so called toilet engineer Oduor need to stop being sycophant.Moha
On Dec 30, 2013 8:47 PM, "Nelson Oreje" <nelsonoreje@gmail.com> wrote:--Okil, u should have used the same method as Kidero, to win a seat, n then introduce "development projects" thru fund raising. Oooh yeah! n then call ur self a hero from within. How about that!
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Subject: Re: [PK] Nyanza leaders meet Raila over Kidero's big-money harambees
Richard Odipo,
You better be "getting sick", VERY VERY SO!!! Of
course, these MPs have no clue "what they are elected" to do!!! They
appear to be in unison about one thing though, to wit, that they must,
AT ALL TIMES, stand ready to streak, and actually streak, for Raila
and, if possible, question their own lunacy later!!! Our Luo people
must, NOW, be socialized to have no track with such nauseating
claptrap!!! Governor Kidero, or anybody else for that matter, commits
no known sin for encouraging his friends to come to the aid of the
much abused and downtrodden Luo brethren!!!
Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.
On 12/30/13, Mohamedweli Abdi <manderaeast@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mo,
> I never requested you to respond. I made my point across period.
> Call it hateful I call it the truth. Since when do we criticize someone for
> bring development to his people? It only happen in Luo Nyanza.
> Hate me or like me. Its the truth.
>
> Moha
> On Dec 30, 2013 4:42 PM, "Maurice J. Oduor" <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I urge people to stop responding to Mohamedweli when he writes these
>> tribally-hateful things. There's nothing to gain by arguing with someone
>> whose hatred for one community is this strong.
>> Just give him no listening.
>>
>> Courage
>>
>>
>> On 2013-12-30, at 8:21 AM, Mohamedweli Abdi <manderaeast@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The problem is you don't get anything that is critical to Raila.
>> Your little god is lose everything and anything. You keep carrying those
>> stones and dead fishes in those briefcases.
>> I made my point like the rest here. No need to compare Luod with Somalis.
>> I made my point a cross. Kadero will keep doing what he was doing and let
>> your little god keep throwing stone, because development is something
>> that
>> nevrr crossed his mind. He subjected the lio masses in poverty. As long
>> idiots like you exist Raila will never need to create enemies because
>> you
>> do for him.
>> Take to kisumu or Siaya and elect him ad your Governor. You will never
>> hear us talking about him. As long he appears as national leader we will
>> talk shit about him when need arises.
>>
>> Moha
>> On Dec 30, 2013 3:42 PM, "Cosmos Omondi" <omondi.cosmos@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> *If you mention anyone else you committed blasphemy according to your
>>> cults** '**bible.' *I hope you're are not trying to drag the Holy
>>> Scripture into this empty talk of yours - because there is only one Bible
>>> I
>>> know of.
>>>
>>> *'.............. we elect our leaders and if they under perform we
>>> dispose them unlike you who are told who to elect.' *For the last 50
>>> years whom have you elected and disposed coz of underperfomance. And
>>> those who have performed, what is this that they have performed?The last
>>> time I checked NE is the only region whose life is supplemented by
>>> ration.
>>> Have you ever heard that the lakeside guys are begging the government
>>> for
>>> posho?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 December 2013 15:21, Mohamedweli Abdi
>>> <manderaeast@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> The point was not who have political leaders to admirer but criticizing
>>>> Gov Kadero who went out of his constituency to help his fellow
>>>> tribesmen.
>>>> Since your little god said he didn't bless Kadero, then you are a up in
>>>> arms like Kadero act was blasphemy.
>>>> To go back to your comment, Who do you admirer other than your little
>>>> god you worship.
>>>> If you mention anyone else you committed blasphemy according to your
>>>> cults bible.
>>>>
>>>> For your information like the rest of kenyans, we elect our leaders
>>>> and
>>>> if they under perform we dispose them unlike you who are told who to
>>>> elect.
>>>>
>>>> Mohamed
>>>> On Dec 30, 2013 2:26 PM, "Cosmos Omondi" <omondi.cosmos@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Abdi,
>>>>>
>>>>> *You (the Somali) have nothing for the Luo to admire and emulate as
>>>>> far
>>>>> as your country's political disunity is concerned. Among the Luos we
>>>>> know
>>>>> better than 'cooking two cocks in one pot.'*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 December 2013 14:10, Mohamedweli Abdi
>>>>> <manderaeast@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It should be easy to be elected for political post in Luo Nyanza and
>>>>>> should be easier to retain or reelected for the position. All you
>>>>>> need to
>>>>>> do is be loyal to Raila and satisfy him, then the electorates will be
>>>>>> loyal
>>>>>> to you. As long Raila is happy it seems they will be too. Sad but
>>>>>> true.
>>>>>> What the hell is happing to our Luo Brothers and Sisters our most
>>>>>> educated region in the country are blindly following one man advice
>>>>>> whether
>>>>>> he is right or wrong.
>>>>>> For Kadero, tell him to do the fundraising for people who appreciate
>>>>>> him. If any of you have his contacts tell him we are willing to make
>>>>>> him
>>>>>> the ultimate somali leader as long he grantees to develop the region.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moha
>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2013 2:41 AM, "Kuria-Mwangi" <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jameni what is wrong with these leaders or rather what wrong has
>>>>>>> Kidero and dalmas done? So if you contribute more than Raila then
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> become an enemy? I thought they would be happy with the money flowing
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> Nyanza but may be the anger is because Ruto and Uhuru are sending
>>>>>>> donations
>>>>>>> and so overshadowing Raila. I call the talk from akina Kajuang
>>>>>>> ujinga.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They remind me of those Kikuyus who hated JM Kariuki because he was
>>>>>>> becoming very popular for giving large donations and was accused og
>>>>>>> undermining Kenyatta. Kenyatta gave Ksh 10K and everyone had to give
>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>> than that. Now Kidero is being asked to give peanuts if he wants to
>>>>>>> be in
>>>>>>> good books. Ghasia!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nyanza leaders meet Raila over Kidero's big-money harambees
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [image: Nairobi County Governor Evans Kidero at a past function. A
>>>>>>> storm is brewing in the Nyanza region over big money fund-raising
>>>>>>> events
>>>>>>> presided over by Nairobi governor Evans Kidero and Rongo MP Dalmas
>>>>>>> Otieno.
>>>>>>> FILE | NATION MEDIA GROUP.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- *By ISAAC ONGIRI*
>>>>>>> More by this Author
>>>>>>> <http://www.nation.co.ke/-/1148/1951774/-/view/asAuthor/-/mlwy0lz/-/index.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A storm is brewing in the Nyanza region over big money fund-raising
>>>>>>> events presided over by Nairobi governor Evans Kidero and Rongo MP
>>>>>>> Dalmas
>>>>>>> Otieno.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A meeting at former Prime Minister Raila Odinga's Bondo home on
>>>>>>> Monday discussed the impact of the fund-raisings after Homa Bay
>>>>>>> Senator
>>>>>>> Otieno Kajwang complained that the events were aimed at dividing the
>>>>>>> Luo
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Bondo meeting attended by more than 35 MPs, including local
>>>>>>> senators, was called by Mr Odinga to brainstorm on regional
>>>>>>> leadership.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Kidero, whose activities in Nyanza have intensified over the past
>>>>>>> few months, has been a major concern to local leaders allied to the
>>>>>>> former
>>>>>>> PM over suspicions he is attempting to take over the territory
>>>>>>> dominated by
>>>>>>> the Odingas since independence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last month, the Nairobi governor presided over a fund-raising in aid
>>>>>>> of Tom Mboya Secondary School in Awendo, which raised Sh15 million,
>>>>>>> including Sh2 million from President Uhuru Kenyatta and Sh500,000
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> Deputy President William Ruto.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This month, Dr Kidero presided over yet another event at Asumbi
>>>>>>> Catholic Church, which collected Sh11 million.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And last weekend, Rongo MP Dalmas Otieno hosted another fund-raising
>>>>>>> in aid of Kamagambo Adventist Church, Ranen, which mobilised Sh6.4
>>>>>>> million
>>>>>>> including Sh1 million each from the President and his deputy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Ruto was present at the event, which has seen Mr Otieno
>>>>>>> castigated
>>>>>>> by his colleagues for saying Mr Ruto is being sacrificed at the
>>>>>>> International Criminal Court because of his strong struggle to bring
>>>>>>> power
>>>>>>> to the people of the region in the 2007 elections.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Kidero on Friday told the *Saturday Nation* that his activities
>>>>>>> in Nyanza have no political ends, but are driven desire to end the
>>>>>>> widespread poverty while at the same time resu citing the once
>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>> giant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I want our people to understand that I am not doing this to compete
>>>>>>> with Mr Odinga. He is the leader of the Luo, something I have
>>>>>>> accepted
>>>>>>> while I am the governor of Nairobi – somewhere below his rank. We
>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>> raise funds to build schools and take our children to school," he
>>>>>>> told the *Saturday
>>>>>>> Nation*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr Kidero's monthly Nyanza tours are expected to continue in the
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> year with a major fund-raising for youth groups in Kisumu expected
>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>> month, another fund-raising in March in Muhoroni to support women
>>>>>>> groups
>>>>>>> and one in Suba in aid of St Gabriel's Gwassi Girls Secondary School
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> scheduled for May.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "I am not just doing this in Nyanza. The other day I was in Tetu
>>>>>>> raising funds for a local school. This is because government funds
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> never be enough for everything," he stated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Suba MP Mr John Mbadi, who attended the meeting at Mr Odinga's home,
>>>>>>> said that though concerns were raised about the massive donations,
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> particular individual was discussed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Yes it is true the issue about harambees was raised but it was not
>>>>>>> in the agenda. There are concerns that some individuals want to use
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> fundraisings to gain political support in the region," Mr Mbadi
>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He explained: "There was a feeling that these harambees were used by
>>>>>>> President Daniel Moi to hoodwink Kenyans that development could be
>>>>>>> achieved
>>>>>>> through them while public money was looted and diverted to private
>>>>>>> activities," the Suba MP said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mbita MP Millie Odhiambo, who was also in Bondo, said the leaders
>>>>>>> were only worried about the source of money being donated in
>>>>>>> harambees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "There was concern about where this people are getting their money
>>>>>>> from because we know their salaries cannot fund such multi-million
>>>>>>> projects," she said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Otieno criticised Nyanza leaders for their stand on Harambees,
>>>>>>> arguing that the region's skyrocketing poverty could escalate to
>>>>>>> unimaginable level if a caveat on such events was imposed as
>>>>>>> suggested by
>>>>>>> some local leaders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The truth is that Nyanza is poor. We must be able to raise funds
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> churches to be built and our children to go to school. It will be
>>>>>>> unfair to
>>>>>>> deny our people an opportunity to raise funds to supplement on
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> funds like CDF," he argued.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Rongo MP wondered why the Bondo meeting castigated him and the
>>>>>>> Nairobi governor, adding that Mr Odinga himself sent Sh100,000 in
>>>>>>> support
>>>>>>> of the Ranen fundraising.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The MP also maintained his comments on Mr Ruto's situation: "It is
>>>>>>> true that if the youths from the Rift Valley did not block the
>>>>>>> highways the
>>>>>>> Grand Coalition government under which Mr Odinga became PM could not
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> happened."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He added that Mr Ruto deserved support from the people of Nyanza
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> as the region also deserves compensation from the State for losses
>>>>>>> incurred
>>>>>>> by individuals from the area who were affected by the 2008
>>>>>>> post-election
>>>>>>> violence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On his part, Dr Kidero insists that the biggest thing in his mind is
>>>>>>> how to change and transform lives and not rhetoric.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kisumu Senator Anyang Nyong'o recently attempted to introduce a
>>>>>>> Motion in the Senate to tax funds obtained from Harambees.
>>>>>>> [image: Image][image: User avatar]\
>>>>>>> Veritas liberabit vos
>>>>>>> The truth Shall set you free
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