Re: [wanabidii] Nawahurumia wake zao ambao wana UKIMWI uliotoka kwangu

Didas;

Unajidanganya tu kwamba hakuna mafundisho endelevu,fuatilia vizuri utapata jibu.

Wewe unataka watu wabatizwe wakiwa na umri gani?sasa ni wangapi wanaofariki wakiwa na umri mdogo then wanakuwa hawajapata kuondolewa hiyo dhambi ya asili sababu ya uzembe wa wengine?

Mwaka mupya njema.

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:16 AM, Nzigamasabo Didas <dimasabo13@gmail.com> wrote:

Nawashukuru sana wachangiaji kimsingi kila mtu ataubeba mzigo wake
mwenyewe kama ukitaka kuona uso wa Mungu hakika lazima ulifuate na
kulitii neno lake. kwa wale wakatoliki hakuna sababu ya ubishi juu ya
kuooka ebu tumia muda wako shiriki kwenye kikundi cha uamusho
/karzimatiki katoliki utajifunza mengi , tatizo letu hatuna mafundisho
endelevu ya neno la Mungu, unabatizwa ukiwa mtoto, komunio mdogo na
kipaimara pia baada ya hapo huna kitu zaidi ya mafundisho ya jumapili
kama unaenda? nawapongeza waliotoa nukuu kudhibisha kuwa kuna kuokoka
na kuwa ndiyo mwanzo wa safari na utawezaje kupigana vita vya kiroho
kama hauko rohoni na unakuwaje mtu wa rohoni kabla hujamkiri Yesu kuwa
bwana na mwokozi wako
Tuache ubishi "WATU WANGU WANAANGAMIA KWA KUKOSA MAARIFA"'
MBARIKIWE

On 12/28/13, Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com> wrote:
> Leon
>
> Kwani lazima mkutane mahali kama ulipopataja. Kanisa ni mimi, Kanisa ni
> wewe, Kanisa ni sisi. Ukiishatambua kwamba wewe ni Kanisa basi mengine ni
> marahisi zaidi. Kote ulikokutaja kuna taratibu ambazo nyingi ni za
> kibinadamu zaidi kuliko zile za Kimungu.
>
>
> 2013/12/28 Paschal Leon <paschalleon@yahoo.com>
>
>> Imeandikwa "msiache kukutana" sasa tutakutania wapi ndugu? sina maana ya
>> majengo ni kujifunza neon.
>>
>>  *From:* Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com>
>> *To:* wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 27, 2013 3:02 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [wanabidii] Nawahurumia wake zao ambao wana UKIMWI
>> uliotoka kwangu
>>
>>  Leon
>>
>> Nashukuru kwa maelekezo. Kwa ufupi kote ulikokutaja nao wanamfahamu Yesu
>> huyu huyu wa Biblia na wala si mwingine. Mie macho na masikio ni kwa YESU
>> tu wala siyo kwenye hayo majengo ndugu mpendwa.
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/27 Joseph Ludovick <josephludovick@gmail.com>
>>
>> Salaale.jane ni muongo na mzandiki.hii habari ya kubuni haina
>> logic,coherence wala consistence. Kama alivyohoji mtu hapo achana na
>> hekaya za abunuwasi sema tu unataka watu waokoke.
>>  kuleta habari Za kulaani pombe,disco nk ni ujuha.fahamu
>> unachokiongelea.kuokoka kupo na wote tumeokolewa na yesu.then
>> tunapaswa kuongoka kwa kubadili maisha yetu,ili hatimaye tupate
>> ukamilifu wa wokovu.
>>
>> On 12/27/13, Francis Kasili <Francis.Kasili@nmbtz.com> wrote:
>> > Tazameni kidogo hapa. Yohana 1:12 inasema wote waliompokea aliwapa
>> > uwezo
>> > kuwa wana wa Mungu, Inaendelea kusema ndio wale walio liamini Jina la
>> Mwana
>> > wa Mungu. Marko sura ya 28 inasema na ishara zitaambatana na hao
>> waaminio,
>> > kwa Jina la Lake{Yesu} Watatoa pepo, watasema kwa lugha mpya na hata
>> wakila
>> > kitu cha kufisha hakitawadhuru kabisa. Hapa inaashiria kwa waliookoka
>> ambao
>> > wanapokea uwezo toka kwa Mungu mwenyewe. Pia yapasa mtu atambue wokovu
>> > ni
>> > neema ambayo mtu hipewa na Mungu maana Biblia inasema si wengi wenye
>> hekima,
>> > si wengi wenye elimu, bali Mungu aliamua kuwaokoa waamio kwa upuuzi wa
>> hilo
>> > neno ili kuwaabisha wenye akili. Pia 1korinrtho 1:18 inesema neno la
>> msalaba
>> > kwa wanaookolewa ni nguvu ya Mungu bali kwa wanaopotea ni upuuzi.
>> > Jamani
>> > swala la wokovu halihitaji akili nyingi sana za kibinadamu kwani huko
>> > ni
>> > kulichakachua Neno la Mungu, Anguko la Adamu limerejeshwa na Yesu na ni
>> kwa
>> > hiari ya mtu pasipo shuruti ndipo unapata wokovu. Mwenye sikio na
>> > asikie
>> na
>> > mwenye macho atazame.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Always darkness will never comprehend light
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: wanabidii@googlegroups.com [wanabidii@googlegroups.com] on behalf
>> of
>> > Reuben Mwandumbya [ipyana75@yahoo.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 9:18 AM
>> > To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Nawahurumia wake zao ambao wana UKIMWI
>> > uliotoka
>> > kwangu
>> >
>> > Bariki;
>> > ''aaminie na kubatizwa ataokoka'' this is future continuous tense,
>> haisemi
>> > ameokoka hivyo siku ya mwisho ya kuwasilisha hesabu mbele za Mungu ndo
>> > utajua,hii ni safari ndefu otherwise ingekuwa baada ya ubatizo
>> > tunafunga
>> > ukurasa kwamba tumemaliza kazi tunasubiri kwenda peponi.
>> >
>> > By then naomba tuishie hapa mana mambo ya imani hayaitaji kuyajadili,ni
>> > mambo binafsi.
>> >
>> > Mwaka mpya njema.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 10:25 PM, Bariki Mwasaga <
>> bmwasaga@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > Mwl MM
>> > Ubarikiwe. Binafsi sikutaka kuingia ndani kutokana na kwamba uzi uliopo
>> > haukulenga hiki lakini yote ni mema. Mwenye sikio na asikie na atende
>> > sawasawa na Neno la Mungu.
>> > On Dec 26, 2013 10:17 PM, "Mathew Mndeme"
>>  > <mathewmndeme@gmail.com<mailto:mathewmndeme@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Well put Bariki,
>> >
>> > Bila kujiingiza kwenye presentation ya Jane, naomba niseme neno na wale
>> > ambao wamejitambulisha huku kuwa ni wakristo na bado wanakuwa na
>> > ujasiri
>> wa
>> > kupinga dhana ya WOKOVU na wanaoukiri wokovu.
>> >
>> > The facts kuwa wewe huamini katika wokovu au una mefundisho tofauti
>> kuhusu
>> > concept ya wokovu, haiondoi ukweli kuwa hakuna wokovu au haimfanyi mtu
>> > anayesema kaokoka kuwa mkosaji au mpotoshaji. Kama wanadamu au vikundi
>> vyao
>> > vya kiimani wanaosema kuwa wameokoka na wakashindwa kuishi maisha ya
>> wokovu,
>> > hiyo pia aiondoi ukweli na uhakika wa wokovu na ukweli kwamba wale
>> > wanaoamini katika Kristo Yesu imewapasa kuokoka. Kama kuna wachungaji,
>> > maaskofu, manabii na mwingine yeyote mwenye cheo cha kidini anashindwa
>> > kutembea katika wokovu, hilo ni tatizo lake mwenyewe kama alivyokua
>> > Yuda
>> > Iskariote, na haiondoi ukweli kwamba tumeitiwa ufuasi unaotuelekeza
>> katika
>> > maisha ya wokovu.
>> >
>> > Sina hakika kama ni sahihi watu kujitengenezea tafisiri ya wokovu
>> > wanayoitaka wao na kuanza kuichambua kuwa sio ya kweli na wokovu haupo
>> > au
>> > hauwezekani kwa kutumia tafisri hiyo kama reference point.
>> >
>> > Wokovu sio utimilifu wa utakatifu bali ni kukubali ufuasi unaokuelekeza
>> > huko. Wokovu ni safari ya maisha ya kumpeleka mtu katika utakatifu na
>> > utimilifu. Kudahiliwa chuo kikuu sio kupata degree lakini ni njia ya
>> kupata
>> > degree na kuna maisha tofuati sana unatakiwa kuishi katika kuelekea
>> kuipata
>> > degree tofauti na wasio kwenye mpango huo. Kuoa au kuolewa sio
>> > utimilifu
>> wa
>> > maisha ya kifamilia yenye amani, mshikamano, furaha, na mafanikio
>> > lakini
>> ni
>> > njia  sahihi ya kuelekea huko na hakuna alternative.  Wokovu ni
>> > kukubali
>> > kuwa kwenye kundi la wautafutao utimilifu na usafi katika kumpendeza
>> Mungu
>> > kupitia Yesu Kristo kama Bwana na Mwokozi wa maisha yao. Ni ukiri
>> unaoendana
>> > na imani katika kile unachokikiri.
>> >
>> > Hakuna mahali Biblia inasema mtu akiokoka hawezi kutenda dhambi tena.
>> Hata
>> > Petro aliyeaminiwa na Yesu na kukabidhiwa kanisa bado alikosea wakati
>> > wa
>> > Yesu kwa kumkana na baada ya Yesu kwa kuwa mnafiki akiwaogopa Wayahudi
>> mbele
>> > ya mataifa. Ila kuna tofauti kubwa ya kutenda dhambi ndani ya wokovu na
>> mtu
>> > ambaye kutenda dhambi ni sehemu ya maisha yake ya kila siku. Wa kwanza
>> > dhambi ni ajali na sio utamaduni kwake maana maisha anayoishi hayana
>> wenyeji
>> > wa dhambi...na kwa minajili hiyo huishi katika toba inayoendana na
>> jitihada
>> > ya kutoishi katika makosa/dhambi anazojikuta amefanya. Dhambi ni majuto
>> na
>> > huzuni katika maisha yake na mara zote anajitahidi kutafuta kuyafanya
>> > mapenzi ya Mungu.  Huyu wa pili dhambi sio ajali na haina majuto ndani
>> > mwake. Hajisumbui kutafuta mapenzi ya Mungu na kinyume chake hujisumbua
>> > kufanya mengi yaliyo kinyume na Mungu huku akiyatetea. Kuna tofauti ya
>> > kutenda dhambi na kuishi katika dhambi..kuna tofauti ya  kukosea na
>> kuishi
>> > maisha ya ukosaji. Ndio mana Paulo akasema katika 2Wakorintho 5:17,
>> > "Hata
>> > imekuwa, mtu akiwa ndani ya Kristo amekuwa kiumbe kipya; ya kale
>> > yamepita
>> > tazama! Yamekuwa mapya."
>> >
>> > Maisha ya wokovu, utakatifu na uzima wa milele yanaanzia hapa duniani.
>> Wati
>> > wa Yesu akina Petro walikua na maswali kama sisi: Petro akasema,
>> > Tazama,
>> > sisi tumeviacha vitu vyetu vyote na kukufuata. Akawaambia, Hakika
>> nawaambia,
>> > hakuna mtu aliyeacha nyumba, au mke, au ndugu, au wazazi, au wana, kwa
>> ajili
>> > ya ufalme wa Mungu, asiyepokea zaidi mara nyingi katika zamani hizi, na
>> > katika ulimwengu ujao uzima wa milele.(Luka 18:30)
>> >
>> > Biblia inasema, "Kwa maana jinsi hii Mungu aliupenda ulimwengu, hata
>> akamtoa
>> > Mwanawe pekee, ili kila mtu amwaminiye asipotee, bali awe na uzima wa
>> > milele. Maana Mungu hakumtuma Mwana ulimwenguni ili auhukumu ulimwengu,
>> bali
>> > ulimwengu uokolewe katika yeye. Amwaminiye yeye hahukumiwi; asiyeamini
>> > amekwisha kuhukumiwa; kwa sababu hakuliamini jina la Mwana pekee wa
>> Mungu.
>> > Na hii ndiyo hukumu; ya kuwa nuru imekuja ulimwenguni, na watu
>> > wakapenda
>> > giza kuliko nuru; kwa maana matendo yao yalikuwa maovu (Yahana
>> > 3:16-19).
>> Huu
>> > uzima huanzi tutakapokufa. Unaanza sasa kwa sisi kuamini na kufuata
>> > kile
>> > tunachoamini.
>> >
>> > Biblia imejaa maandiko mengi tu yanayoelezea wokovu bila utata wala
>> > kigugumizi. Nikupe baadhi ya reference ambazo hata hazihitaji tafisiri:
>> > 1)  Alikuja kwake, wala walio wake hawakumpokea. Bali wote waliompokea
>> > aliwapa uwezo wa kufanyika watoto wa Mungu, ndio wale waliaminio jina
>> lake;
>> > waliozaliwa, si kwa damu, wala si kwa mapenzi ya mwili, wala si kwa
>> mapenzi
>> > ya mtu, bali kwa Mungu (Yohana 1:11-13).
>> >
>> > 2)  Tazameni, ni pendo la namna gani alilotupa Baba, kwamba tuitwe
>> > wana
>> wa
>> > Mungu; na ndivyo tulivyo. Kwa sababu hii ulimwengu haututambui, kwa
>> > kuwa
>> > haukumtambua yeye. Wapenzi, sasa tu wana wa Mungu, wala haijadhihirika
>> bado
>> > tutakavyokuwa; lakini twajua ya kuwa atakapodhihirishwa, tutafanana
>> > naye;
>> > kwa maana tutamwona kama alivyo. Na kila mwenye matumaini haya katika
>> yeye
>> > hujitakasa, kama yeye alivyo mtakatifu. (1Yohana 3:1-3)
>> >  3)  Yeye ndiye jiwe lile lililodharauliwa na ninyi waashi, nalo
>> limewekwa
>> > kuwa jiwe kuu la pembeni. Wala hakuna wokovu katika mwingine awaye
>> > yote,
>> kwa
>> > maana hapana jina jingine chini ya mbingu walilopewa wanadamu
>> > litupasalo
>> > sisi kuokolewa kwalo (Matendo 4:12)
>> >  4)  Wote anipao Baba watakuja kwangu; wala ye yote ajaye kwangu
>> sitamtupa
>> > nje kamwe. Kwa kuwa mimi sikushuka kutoka mbinguni ili niyafanye
>> > mapenzi
>> > yangu, bali mapenzi yake aliyenipeleka. Na mapenzi yake aliyenipeleka
>> > ni
>> > haya, ya kwamba katika wote alionipa nisimpoteze hata mmoja, bali
>> nimfufue
>> > siku ya mwisho. Kwa kuwa mapenzi yake Baba yangu ni haya, ya kwamba
>> > kila
>> > amtazamaye Mwana na kumwamini yeye, awe na uzima wa milele; nami
>> nitamfufua
>> > siku ya mwisho (Yohana 6:37-40)
>> >  5)  Kwa sababu, ukimkiri Yesu kwa kinywa chako ya kuwa ni Bwana, na
>> > kuamini moyoni mwako ya kuwa Mungu alimfufua katika wafu, utaokoka. Kwa
>> > maana kwa moyo mtu huamini hata kupata haki, na kwa kinywa hukiri hata
>> > kupata wokovu. Kwa maana andiko lanena, Kila amwaminiye hatatahayarika
>> > (Warumi 10:9-11).
>> >  6)  Basi, ndugu zangu, nawasihi, kwa huruma zake Mungu, itoeni miili
>> yenu
>> > iwe dhabihu iliyo hai, takatifu, ya kumpendeza Mungu, ndiyo ibada yenu
>> yenye
>> > maana. Wala msiifuatishe namna ya dunia hii; bali mgeuzwe kwa kufanywa
>> upya
>> > nia zenu, mpate kujua hakika mapenzi ya Mungu yaliyo mema, ya
>> kumpendeza, na
>> > ukamilifu (Warumi 12:1-2).
>> >  7)  Naye alituokoa katika nguvu za giza, akatuhamisha na kutuingiza
>> katika
>> > ufalme wa Mwana wa pendo lake; ambaye katika yeye tuna ukombozi, yaani,
>> > msamaha wa dhambi; (Wakolosai 1:13-14)
>> >  8)  Bali ninyi ni mzao mteule, ukuhani wa kifalme, taifa takatifu,
>> watu wa
>> > milki ya Mungu, mpate kuzitangaza fadhili zake yeye aliyewaita mtoke
>> gizani
>> > mkaingie katika nuru yake ya ajabu; ninyi mliokuwa kwanza si taifa,
>> > bali
>> > sasa ni taifa la Mungu; mliokuwa hamkupata rehema, bali sasa mmepata
>> > rehema.(1Petro 29-10)
>> > Mwisho wa yote wokovu sio human creation. Ni mpango wa Mungu mwenywe wa
>> > kumuokoa mwanadamu. Na kwa vile vile ni mpango wa Mungu, chenye nguvu
>> > ni
>> > imani. Basi imani ni kuwa na hakika ya mambo yatarajiwayo, ni bayana ya
>> > mambo yasiyoonekana. Maana kwa hiyo wazee wetu walishuhudiwa. Kwa imani
>> > twafahamu ya kuwa ulimwengu uliumbwa kwa neno la Mungu, hata vitu
>> > vinavyoonekana havikufanywa kwa vitu vilivyo dhahiri. (Waebrania 11:1)
>> >
>> > Na kama vile haitoshi Biblia inasema, " Lakini pasipo imani haiwezekani
>> > kumpendeza; kwa maana mtu amwendeaye Mungu lazima aamini kwamba yeye
>> yuko,
>> > na kwamba huwapa thawabu wale wamtafutao."(Waebrania 11:6)
>> >
>> > Wasalaam
>> >
>> > MM
>> >
>> >
>> > _____________________________________________________
>> > Mathew Mndeme, PgD, MSc, BSc (Hons)
>> > Assistant Lecturer and Information Systems Analyst
>> > Department of Computer Science and Engineering
>> > College of Information and Communication Technologies
>> > University of Dar es Salaam
>> > P.O. Box 35062, Dar es Salaam
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>> mathewmndeme@udsm.ac.tz>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/12/26 Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com<mailto:bmwasaga@gmail.com
>> >>
>> > Reuben
>> > Bahati nzuri Biblia niisomayo inasema aaminie na kubatizwa ataokoka.
>> > Kwa
>> > lugha nyingine ya kibiblia ni kwamba kila atakayempokea Mwana wa Mungu
>> > atafanyika naye Mwana wa Mungu ni  hivi ndivyo Nicodemu alivyoelezwa
>> > akafanye na Kristo zamani zile. Haya yanafanyika vipi basi ndiyo
>> > unarudi
>> kwa
>> > Paulo mtume kwenye Warumi 10:9-10. Huyu Paulo Mtume anasema siyo kwamba
>> > ameeishafika bali anakaza mwendo ili aweze kufikia ile  mede ya thawabu
>> ya
>> > mwito mkuu wa Kristo. Wokovu ni safari ambayo katika kitabu cha Ufunuo
>> > wa
>> > Yohana kuna mahali ile mlango wa 3 anauliza...je uko wapi ule upendo wa
>> > kwanza? Kwanini kauliza hivyo ni kwasababu mtu alimwamini Mungu
>> (aliokoka)
>> > baadaye akaiacha hiyo njia na ndiyo maana malaika ametumwa kuulizia
>> > hilo
>> > katika Kanisa.
>> > Ushauri kwa wote,
>> > Haya masuala ya imani kila mtu ana imani yake na sidhani kama ni baraka
>> > kuanza kumpinga mtu mwingine kuhusu maandiko ambayo yeye anayaamini.
>> Kama ni
>> > kinyume na uelewa wako basi bora ukae kimya. Maandiko kuhusu wokovu
>> yamejaa
>> > tele tunaweza kugeuza jukwaa kuwa mimbari tuanze kuhubiri.
>> > On Dec 26, 2013 5:08 PM, "Reuben Mwandumbya"
>> > <ipyana75@yahoo.com<mailto:ipyana75@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Misango;
>> > Kuongoka ndiko kupo kwa wanaojiita walokole na kuokaka ni baada ya
>> kupitia
>> > mauti huko mbele ya safari utajua ulitenda uliyopasa kuyatenda kwa
>> mujibu wa
>> > mafundisho ya Mwenyezi au kwa watakao bahatika siku ya parapanda ndipo
>> > watajua nafasi zao.
>> >
>> > Sio ajabu siku ya mwisho tukaja kushuhudia hata
>> Maaskofu,Wachungaji,Mashehe
>> > n.k tupo nao motoni,ndipo hapo tutakapo ulizana mara mbili tatu kwamba
>> hata
>> > wewe ndugu upo huku??
>> >
>> > Ndio kuna kusema kwamba fuata maneno yangu usifuate matendo,mana upo
>> > uwezekano wa watu wanaosema wameokoka kuwa wameongoka,hivyo sababu
>> hatuwezi
>> > kuhakiki ukweli wao,siku ya mwisho ndipo tutajua maharage na soya.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:53 PM, Charles Misango
>> > <misangocharles@yahoo.com<mailto:misangocharles@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> > Paschal na Reuben nisaidieni swahili hili. Nini tofauti kati ya
>> > KUONGOKA
>> na
>> > KUOKOKA? maana mleta hoja ametulazimisha tujadili na mambo mengine
>> > zaidi
>> > kama alivyosema Mashaka kwamba njia aliyotumia kufikisha ujumbe haikuwa
>> > sahihi sana
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 4:21 PM, Mashaka Mgeta
>> > <mgeta2000@yahoo.com<mailto:mgeta2000@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> > Swali kwa Jane.
>> >
>> > Unajuaje kama miongoni mwa zaidi ya 1500, walikuwamo wanaoishi na VVU,
>> hivyo
>> > kilichofanyika ni KUBADILISHANA virusi hivyo na si wewe kuwaambukiza?
>> >
>> > Nadhani ulilenga kuionya jamii kuhusu uovu na maovu lakini 'njia'
>> > uliyoitumia haitoi jawabu hata la kuonyesha kwamba UMEOKOKA.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:10 AM, Reuben Mwandumbya
>> > <ipyana75@yahoo.com<mailto:ipyana75@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> > Pascal;
>> > Mkatoliki sio wewe pekee,tupo/wapo wengi,uokovu usiuchukulie rahisi
>> dhambi
>> > zipo za makundi manne mawazo,maneno,matendo na kutotimiza wajibu. Hapa
>> sio
>> > rahisi kuchomoka na kusema umeokoka kaka,otherwise ntakuwa sijui maana
>> > ya
>> > kuokoka,lakini maana yake ni kwamba hupatikani katika hizi zote sasa
>> > wewe
>> > utakuwa sio binadamu.
>> >
>> > Hata hivyo imani ni jambo la mtu binafsi,lets leave it.
>> >
>> > Skukuu njema.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:31 PM, Paschal Leon
>> > <paschalleon@yahoo.com<mailto:paschalleon@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> > toa andiko, achana na sisi wakatoliki, hiyo iko kwenye biblia ipi?
>> > wokovu
>> > upo, ni mtazamo wako mdogo na kutotumia Roho Mtakatifu akufunulie, soma
>> John
>> > 3 yote kwa kuomba ufunuo utaona hata Nicodemu hakujua maana ya wokovu
>> > sembuse wewe mkatoliki?
>> >
>> > From: Reuben Mwandumbya <ipyana75@yahoo.com<mailto:ipyana75@yahoo.com>>
>> > To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com<mailto:wanabidii@googlegroups.com>"
>> > <wanabidii@googlegroups.com<mailto:wanabidii@googlegroups.com>>
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:21 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Nawahurumia wake zao ambao wana UKIMWI
>> > uliotoka
>> > kwangu
>> >
>> > Comrade Lutinwa;
>> > Exactly my friend,there you are.
>> > Pia kwa sisi wakatoliki tunajua you can not claim 'saved' kabla
>> > hujapitia
>> > mauti.
>> > Binadamu tunaishi kwa kutenda zambi,huwezi kusema nimeokoka bado
>> > unaishi,shida ya walokole wanazani zambi ni pombe na kuzini tu.
>> > Merry boxing day Jomba.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:43 PM, Lushengo Lutinwa
>> > <lutinwa@gmail.com<mailto:lutinwa@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > Even with this confession I still regard you as a devil; although you
>> > consider yourself saved.
>> > On 26 Dec 2013 11:55, "Jane Mwakalukwa"
>> > <mwakalukwa@gmail.com<https://192.168.114.74/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx>>
>>  > wrote:
>> > Mimi ni Jane naishi mwenge Dar es Salaam naomba utalifuta jina la baba
>> yangu
>> > maana sitaki liwe kwenye blog watu watanijua na kuniangamiza maana
>> > nimeshawaangamiza wengi sana kwa UKIMWI ila mengine yote usifute hata
>> moja
>> > ili dunia ijue tu japokua mimi nitakufa kwa huu ukimwi nilionao.
>> >
>> > Nilizaliwa mkoa wa Dodoma na nilishi vizuri tu tangu utotoni na hata
>> > sikujihusisha na ngono hadi nilipomaliza form 4 mwaka 2006 baada ya
>> kumaliza
>> > nilikuja hapa Dar kuishi kwa mama mdogo aliyeolewa hapa Mwenge.
>> >
>> > Nilipata marafiki wengi tu na kuna kijana mmoja alinitongoza kwa muda
>> mrefu
>> > sana na siunajua vijana wengi hutumia
>> > muda mrefu kutongoza ili msichana unadhani kwamba labda huyo anakupenda
>> > kumbe anataka tu ngono na wadada wengi sana hudhani kufuatiliwa kwa
>> > muda
>> > mrefu na mvulana basi huyo yuko serious kumbe hakuna lolote.
>> >
>> > Nilimkubalia tukawa wapenzi ila nilikataa kuhusu kufanya mapenzi maana
>> > anayekupenda kiukweli sio uongo lazima asitake ngono kabla ya ndoa.
>> >
>> > Kwa miezi kama 5 hadi 6 aliniambia kuhusu kufanya mapenzi nilikataa
>> alitumia
>> > mbinu nyingi sana kwa kunibembeleza na hata kulia mbele yangu ili
>> tufanye tu
>> > mara moja ila nilikataa, alisema atavumilia hadi siku ya ndoa yetu
>> > ambapo
>> > tulipanga kuoana mwaka sept 2009.
>> >
>> > Siku moja aliniambia twende kwenye kumbi za starehe na mimi kwa sababu
>> > ya
>> > upagani na kumwamini pia kwa sababu nampenda nilikubali tulienda huko
>> > na
>> > kulikua na bendi fulani maarufu ya mziki wa dansi ilikua inatumbuiza.
>> >
>> > Tulitafuta sehemu na kukaa na mpenzi wangu akaagiza pombe alianza
>> > kunywa
>> > huku akinionjesha, nilikataa kwa sababu nilikua sijawahi kunywa pombe
>> katika
>> > maisha yangu yote, hata sijui alinishawishi vipi nilijikuta nakunywa
>> kidogo
>> > kidogo na kwa kuwa tulikaa pale kwa muda zaidi ya masaa 5 nadhani
>> nikunywa
>> > kama bia 3 au 4 japokua nilikua nakunywa kidogo kidogo tu tena kwa
>> kunywesha
>> > na mpenzi wangu maana nikama nikua nanyweshwa kila baada kama ya dakika
>> 25
>> > ndipo nakunywa mara moja na sikujuia kama nakunywa pombe ila niliihisi
>> > tu
>> > naonja ili kumlizisha mpenzi wangu.
>> >
>> > Ilipofika saa 10 alfajiri nilihisi usingizi na pia nilijiona wa tofauti
>> > najua nililewa hata kama sikujua kama nimelewa maana nakumbuka tulitoka
>> pale
>> > huku amenishika mkono huyo mpenzi wangu. Tulikodo tax na kuondoka na
>> > siku
>> > hiyo aliniambia twende kwake alikokua amepanga chumba maana tulikua na
>> > usingizi sana nilikubali huku nikidhani hatuwezi kufanya mapenzi.
>> >
>> > Tulifika salama na kuingia ndani ukweli pombe ni kichocheo cha ngono na
>> > ningekua mimi ndio Raisi wa Tanzania ningefunga bar zote. Nilijikuta
>> > natamani kufanya mapenzi na huyu mpenzi wangu hata alikua hana nia
>> > maana
>> > alijua atanichukiza sana na uhusiano ungekufa siku hiyo lakini kwa
>> sababu ya
>> > pombe nilimwambia siku hiyo tufanye kidogo maana mwili wangu unataka.
>> >
>> > Ni kweli siku hiyo kwa sababu ya pombe nilifanya mapenzi na huyo mpenzi
>> > wangu na baadae akanipeleka nyumbani baada ya wiki mbili maana tulikaa
>> wiki
>> > mbili bila kuonana alikuja na kunieleza habari ambayo sikuihitaji
>> > katika
>> > maisha yangu maana nilikua nasikia tu kwa watu wengine lakini sio
>> > kwangu
>> > alisema "JANE ISHI KWA MATUMAINI KUANZIA SASA"
>> >
>> > Nilidhani utani lakini aliniambia kuwa yeye ana UKIMWI tangu miaka
>> > mitano
>> > iliyopita na anapenda tu ngono maana hawezi kuacha.
>> >
>> > Nililia sana na baada ya wiki moja baadae nikaenda kupima na kukutwa
>> > nina
>> > ugojwa ambao niliusikia tu kwa watu na chanzo cha yote ni pombe,
>> > kupenda
>> > starehe,disko na upagani unaotusumbua wanadamu wengi.
>> >
>> > Nilikua na UKIMWI na kwa hasira maana mpenzi wangu alihamia Arusha huku
>> > akisema neno moja la mwisho kwamba "shetani amemtuma kuwaambukiza
>> wanadamu
>> > UKIMWI"
>> >
>> > Sikujua, sikujua, sikujua, sikujuaaaaaaaaa, basi tu ooh YESU nihurumie
>> mimi
>> > leo. Nilibebeshwa mzigo ambao haukunistahili mimi. Hata leo hua
>> > najiuliza
>> > kwamba nilijitunza kwa miaka 23 yote lakini pombe na huyu wakala wa
>> shetani
>> > wamenifanyia hivi. Baada ya kujua nina UKIMWI na hali hiyo nikaikubali
>> > na
>> > kulikua na kundi kubwa sana la wanaume ambao walikua wamewahi
>> kunitongoza na
>> > niliwakataa sana kwa sababu hii niliwakubali ili nami nife na wengi.
>> >
>> > Nilianza kumkubali kila mmoja na kuna baba mmoja ambaye ana wake 3
>> niliwahi
>> > kumtukana sana kipindi cha nyuma kila aliponitongoza lakini wakati huu
>> > nilimkubali na hakuamini na tukafanya ngono tena bila kinga na
>> akaniaachia
>> > pesa laki 6 kama zawadi ya kumkubali kumbe naye hakujua kuwa
>> namwambukiza na
>> > hata leo hua nawahurumia tu wale wake zake ambao wana UKIMWI uliotoka
>> > kwangu.
>> >
>> > Kiukweli tangu Mei 2009 hadi 2012 nimeshatembea na wanaume zaidi 1500
>> maana
>> > ilifika kipindi nala na wanaume 3 kwa siku na lengo langu niwakomeshe
>> kama
>> > mimi nilivyokomeshwa na nina uhakika kutokana na mimi wameambukizwa
>> UKIMWI
>> > wanadamu zaidi ya 10,000 na hili tangazo la "TUKO WANGAPI" huwa
>> linaniliza
>> > kila siku maana hata mimi najua kabisa nilianzisha mtandao kama huo wa
>> ngono
>> > kwa idadi kubwa sana ya watu.
>> >
>> > Nimeokoka miezi 7 iliyopita na siku naombewa nilikutwa na mapepo mengi
>> sana
>> > na hata waombeaji wakashangaa. Ningejua ningeokoka tangu nikiwa na
>> > miaka
>> 5
>> > lakini ndio hivyo sina jinsi wala uwezo wa kubadirisha hali hiyo.
>> >
>> > Na naomba kila atakayesoma ujumbe huu ajue kuanzia leo kuwa pombe ni
>> dhambi
>> > pia kwenda disko ni dhambi ,kuuza pombe ni dhambi na kila kichochoe
>> chochote
>> > cha dhambi ni dhambi. Hadi sasa mtu yeyote hawezi kujua kama nina
>> > UKIMWI
>> na
>> > sijui MUNGU ana mpango gani na mimi maana kwake yote yanawezekana.
>> Nauamini
>> > uponyaji wake na sijawahi kutumia ARV hata siku moja na afya yangu iko
>> sawa
>> > tu na huwezi hata wewe kujua kama uovu huu nimefanya mimi.
>> >
>> > Ndugu zangu kama una UKIMWI nenda kanisani ukaombewe na kama una akili
>> mpe
>> > YESU maisha yako maana pia baada ya kifo ni hukumu. Yasalimishe maisha
>> yako
>> > kwa YESU na usiambukize wengine tena.
>> >
>> > Mimi tangu niokoke sijawahi kufanya mapenzi tena na sitafanya hivyo
>> > wala
>> > sitaolewa na mtu yeyote maana yatosha kwa uovu niliofanya na hadi sasa
>> wapo
>> > ninaowajua zaidi ya 15 wameshafariki na nilihudhulia misibani huku
>> nikijua
>> > kabisa chanzo ni mimi.
>> >
>> > Mwisho nawashauri wababa kulidhika na wake zao na wamama pia ridhikeni
>> > na
>> > waume zenu, vijana ambao hamjaoa wala kuolewa subiri hadi utakapooa au
>> > kuolewa na kabla ya kuolewa au kuoa kapimeni kwanza kwani wenye UKIMWI
>> > ni
>> > wengi kuliko unavyodhani.
>> >
>> > Fuata unachofundishwa kanisani na pia soma BIBLIA na uwe mtakatifu.
>> >
>> > MUNGU akubariki
>> >
>> > Ni mimi Jane,
>> > Mwenge, Dar es salaam
>> > Tanzania
>> >
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