Judy,
I agree with you on this 100%.
We should conduct our elections by ourselves even if we end up killing each other again like in 2008.
We have proven time and again that we're completely incapable of holding fair and transparent elections.
But you know what?
We're a proud and egotistical people and our pride//ego is more important to us than some fair election that the UN can supervise for us.
We don't need the UN helping us have a fair election. UN are bad people, very bad people.
Even if we keep complaining of unfair elections for the next 50 yrs, and even if we kill millions of us over rigged elections, it's our lives we're losing and we have a right to kill each other.
We'd rather kill each other than have that big bad UN come over to try and help us.
If there's ever another PEV because of a rigged election, that's ok with me.
Even if my entire family is killed in such a PEV, that's ok. Our pride and ego are more important to us than any peace or fairness that the UN could bring by conducting a fair election.
UN, no thank you !!!!!!
Courage
On Sun, Jun 8, 2014 at 10:35 AM, 'Judy Miriga' via WANAKENYA <wanakenya@googlegroups.com> wrote:
I hear you Account, but let me ask?
For whose gains and interest should we rush to do that? UN may not be a stranger, but is an outsider. It is what I meant with the analogy. We are not desperate. We are in the process of putting the Constitution to be fully operational, why the short-cut? Where is the money to throw out there and make the people of Kenya more into pain and suffering? Are the UN going to work for free??? At what price can Kenya afford to do that? You must beware that, corruption too lingers at the UN, they are not perfect. You must slow down on this prospect. Give Kenya time to perfect its constitutionality. We have just begun.
UN too is in a mission to make money. They are also human beings with vested interests and are lobbying like all of us. The world is on the run and no one should remain sleeping. We shall engage UN where they fit and when they are needed. Before Kenya employs a good percentage of their own Rep. trusting people at the UN, UN must be left with the corporate agreement they have for now.
Yes, we have not properly educated and provided the local people with the Civic Education training. The money to throw out there to the UN should best be utilized for training the local people to engage in their governance first. There must be organization laid down first how things must be done and no one is in a hurry to go nowhere after this much of mess have been done.
There is no guarantee that your method is 100% correct. So slow down, there is a government in place and we are ready to work with the government to put things right. UN is not a stranger, but there is how they should be engaged. It is not just fwaaaaaaa!!! Kenya is smarter than to do that.
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2014, 10:15 AM
Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
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On Sun, 6/8/14, account146w qt4 <account146w@hotmail.com> wrote:
Subject: RE: [PK] Do we need United Nations to handle our elections in 2017/ Yes or No and why?.
To: "progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com" <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
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Judy:
United
Nations is not a stranger if it takes part in handling our
election. Kenya is and is always been a good member of
United Nations. We have also representatives there. I do
not see your point of argument here. From 1963 upto now
Kenya has not organised any good presidential election
without disputes. How long do you still want Kenyans to
learn?. A lot of countries have done with United nations and
are now doing okey. All what you wrote are good, but have
you realised that most of them are just words no practical
things: We need action and practical things. In other words
things which work.
You
are like somebody telling an hungry child to go to
university and study for 5 years before he can get his
breakfast. Sister make your mind right now:Theory or
Practical?. Take it this way: you are given goods and a
lorry :But you have problems with packing this lorry with
goods; Do you need words or something practical to succeed
in getting your lorry packed and drive off?. Or you leave
them there and go to University to learn for 3 years
first?.
> Date:
Sun, 8 Jun 2014 07:01:07 -0700
> From:
progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>
Subject: [PK] Do we need United Nations to handle our
elections in 2017/ Yes or No and why?.
>
To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com;
wanakenya@googlegroups.com; wanabidii@googlegroups.com;
changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com;
mabadilikotanzania@googlegroups.com;
youngprofessional_ke@googlegroups.com
>
> Good People,
>
>
> I must say a big NO
Mr. Account. We do not need UN to handle Kenyas elections.
Here is why:
>
>
> After my long experience both in Kenya and
abroad, having travelled far and wide to different foreign
countries and getting engaged into many diverse NGOs and the
UN structures, I would advise you brethren to let locals
learn from their mistakes and improve from the same where,
they should manage their own affairs independently; counting
their gains and losses as a result, in order to improve from
the same.
>
> East,
West, South or North of the Global continent, all are in
search looking for something's that benefit and fulfil
their dreams in life. The failure of Kenya/Africans is
that, they over-trust and are carefree with political
leaders instead of being serious to lobby and demand for
good responsibility with integrity from governance, checks
and balances. They have not committed to put political
leaders to challenges over compliances in public
deliverables and to engage the same in the court of law,
pressuring non-stop for justice. Freedom, Democracy and
Liberty was never achieved on a silver plate, it was earned
through thick and thin, where many lives perished and
exterminated from being massacred through conspiracies;
which this one is one of them. It is like leaving your own
house for a strange foreigner to take over and manage your
household affairs....people, it is a bad dream you do not
want to engage and it will not work by short or long
> range. It shall be lacking wisdom, yet
God gave us wisdom for free and plentiful just in the
asking.
>
>
Politicians have an Agenda to sell anything and everything
for their advantage, those that their paymasters propose to
them, and as such, this is one them thrown to you like a
piece of bone-meat thrown to a dog though laced with
poison.
>
>
Brothers and sister, sons and daughters with my lovely
grandchildren from Kenya/Africa, if you do this, you will
give the International Business Special Interest a wider
berth with an edge to use UN excessive powers (like you
previously did in the 1970's with the World Bank, where
public wealth and Corporations got stolen and transferred
through Structural Adjustment with Privatization of Public
Corporations) to manipulate and interfere with the public
Liberation of constitutional domestic mandate and confuse
the VOTING RIGHTS for PUBLIC MANDATE. UN interests is not
incorporated in the Peoples Constitutional Rights, why even
dream of proposing it? The reason why you should not even
think about it is that, 3/4 of public wealth go to their
employees and volunteers yet the Country remains with very
little to pay its own overheads and expenses. It is
because, UN too have their own vested interests and deals
with the Wealthy Rich Business Community
> in Kenya or Africa and unless
Kenya/African people themselves makes their own
constitutional obligations with stipulated bargains to be
run side-by-side with the Wealthy of the Richest of the
world, Kenya/Africa must lay and put their house in order
through constitutional functioning order before they can
engage into dealing with the World competitively at the
Global Emerging Markets. This proposal MUST therefore be a
preposition to bungle elections against the people's
interest.
>
> Wake-up
people, wake up, someone is prepared to sell Kenya alongside
Africa to gain power by all means. It is short-sighted
driven by self-ego of self-centredness. We know it, we
smell it and we can feel it. It is not right and
definately unacceptable.
>
> Elections must be held by People of
Kenya/Africans themselves. What is needed is monitoring
team as has always been. People themselves have the last
say and it is their democratic rights.
>
>
>
> Judy Miriga
> Diaspora
Spokesperson
> Executive Director
> Confederation Council Foundation for
Africa Inc.,
> USA
>
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Sun, 6/8/14,
account146w qt4 <account146w@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Subject: RE: [PK]
Do we need United Nations to handle our elections in 2017/
Yes or No and why?.
> To:
"progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com"
<progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, June 8, 2014, 6:12 AM
>
>
>
> Cidi
> Me I think
> that
United Nations has solved a lot of such problems we
> have in kenya today. The way Kenya is
polarised today;
> Nobody will trust any
election results in 2017 handled by
>
kenyans. To make all kenyans come together and support
the
> next government; we need a
neutral body to handle
> elections in
2017. It is very hard for a country to move
> forward with all these problems now
facing Kenya. It looks
> that even the
west knows something odd about our March 2013
> elections and that is why they are
scaring all the western
> investors from
doing business in Kenya today. Chinese are
> taking advantage of our situation. I
strongly believe that
> no good thing
will come from china to Kenya. Please pay a
> visit to Angola and see with your own
eyes how ordinary
> Angolans live.
Chinese are very much dominant in Angola.
> Ordinary Angolans are now even much worse
than during the
> Portuguese colonialism
time.
> Africa is going in the
reverse
> direction of development. You
see good roads, good railway
> lines,
shops are full with foreign goods etc, but the
> owners are somewhere in Asia or Europe.
Goods are just
> brought inside the
country; very few are manufactured in
>
Kenya. We should not auction our country either. We need
a
> president who can deal with both
east and west, North and
> south and
balance when to take loans at which prices and
> from where?. Pros and cons, before he
puts his name on
> papers.
>
> Subject: Re: [PK]
Do we need
> United Nations to handle
our elections in 2017/ Yes or No
> and
why?.
> From: cidi.naomi@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 12:48:00 +0300
> To:
progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>
> Account,What
>
you urge here is true democracy which unfortunately is
not
> African. African problems can only
be solved in the African
> way! You tell
us the African way is not good for us and the
> RULERS in Africa will kill you for
this.We must
> acknowledge as Kenyans
that what happens during elections is
>
What Kenyans Want and are used to! Change is difficult to
> find - notwithstanding that it is the
most consistant in the
> world. Change
is difficult to manage.What we need
> as
Kenyans is a group of people that can Challenge The
> Rulers (this is a book tittle) without
fear and nothing to
> loose bearing in
mind that you will end up with a few dead
> Heroes in the process.Madam Cidi.
>
> Sent from my
> iPad
>
>
>
> =======================
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2014, at 12:26 PM,
> account146w qt4
<account146w@hotmail.com>
>
wrote:
>
>
> People:
> Can
> we all agree that we kenyans need
United Nation´s help in
> the next
election?. Can we all also debate for or against
> the United Nations help during our next
election 2017?.
> There has never been a
normal election without problems held
>
in kenya since the British left us alone to rule
ourselves.
> This is a direct indication
of immaturity and low IQ level
> of
humans living in Kenya.
> We know from
History or Bible that
> when righteous
people increase, the people rejoice, but when
> a wicked person rules, everybody
groans.
> When godly are in authority,
the
> people rejoice. but when the
wicked are in power, people
> groan.
> Today the country is so much
> polarised that little development is
going to happen. If
> development
happens it will be at a very high cost that
> will take us generation to generations to
pay back. Our
> present president is so
much vulnerable and the vultures
> from
Asian countries are out to exploit the situation. We
> do not need to make our nation that
cheap: Getting
> expensive loans
without even competitions at a time kenyan
> kids go to bed with empty stomachs. A lot
of kenyans now
> take loans they will
pay for so many years in order to live
>
just a little below average of a normal
>
human..
> The United Nations will
also save us
> a lot of time plus
grievances which always do happen
>
after each and every election. May the best man/woman
win
> in 2017. We are tired of election
stolen, manipulations,
> votes
manufactured etc. slogans we have heard since 1963.
> Can we once in a life time behave like
civilised
> humans?.
>
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