Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?

 

Mila nyingine za waafrika sisi ni rape-za kuwaingilia kimwili wasichana wakifika umri fulani kutokana na imani potofu kuwa wanahitaji lishe fulani ili viungo vya mwili vikomae wakue haraka kumbe ni kuwapa STDs na HIV ktk umri mdogo (Esoto); Arusi za baadhi za makabila na coastal areas na mlengo wa baadhi ya madhehebu ya kupima virginity na msichana kuingiliwa kwa nguvu siku ya ndoa hii ni rape na huathiri mtu kisaikolojia. Mila za kuchangia mke mgeni afikapo, penda usipende akiambiwa aje kwako  hata kama hutaki na mzee anataka kulinda urafiki wake itafanyika hivyo-ni rape. Wenzetu wa makabila mengine Nchi za Afrika hukeketa mwanamke/msichana umri mdogo (8-10 yers) na kumshona uke kabisa na kubakiza kitundu kidogo size ya kuoita pen ya bic. Siku ya ndoa hupondwa ili kufunguliwa na hii kushonwa ni kulinda virginity lakini matokeo yake ni mabaya na wengi hufa au kupata fistula wakati wa kujifungua maana njia ya uzazi imefungwa, imeathirika na haifunguki ipasavyo kutokana na kukatwa na makovu.Yote haya watu wa medicine wanayajua, vitabu kibao vimeandika mila na desturi hizo hatari. Leo rape na abortion inajadiliwa kama kitu rahisi ambapo mila na desturi nyingine, dini hazitaki kuacha  uovu huu wa ubakaji na kutokujali afya ya mama na mtoto na kichanganyo kitokeacho kkiakili. Rape imefanya wanawake wengine kuua hata mtoto aliyezaliwa ili kupunguza athari zake au kuua mbakaji ambaye ni ndugu yake. Somaa Al-Saadawi Nawal-Woman at Point Zero pia 'The Hidden Face of Eve-Women in the Arab World', Zed Press. London 1980; Sanderson,Liilian Passmore-Against FGM...;Toubia, Nahid-FGM a Call for Global Action; Evolutionary of Cultural ethics....; Sami A.Aldeeb Abu-Sahlieh-Male and Female Circumcision, Marco Polo Monographs-Shangri-La Publications 2001 uone mpaka chupi za chuma  na mikanda ya kufunga na kufuri aliyotengenezewa mwanaume na mwanamke zama za utawala wa Farao ili kuzuia ubakaji, kulinda virginity na kuzuia mimba (medieval Chastity belts na aliyepata ujauzito au kutokuwa virgin aliuawa. Lakini makabila mbali mbali yana madawa na mbinu za kutoa ujauzito ili kulinda hali za koo/familia. Makabila mengine yaniua mtoto albino au mtu kilema cha kuzaliwa au kukipata baada ya kuzaliwa. Makabila hayo hayana vilema isipokuwa siku hizi zama za haki za binadamu. Tuangalie na mila na desturi za makabila pamoja na dini jinsi inavyoumba matendo na mitazamo yetu. Turekebishe tukiangalia haki ya mtu na uhai, afya bora kimwili na kiakili na matakwa ya huyo mtu kama pale amebakwa anyway lakini anataka azae kwa vile hakufanikiwa kupata ujauzito na mtoto (balaa ya neema).

 

From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012, 22:33
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?

Pauline,

I agree with you completely, and without any reservation. A woman has
the right to have or not have an abortion no matter how the pregnancy
came along.

Courage







On 8/23/12, Pauline Mengi <paulinemengi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Abortion is the moral right of a woman, rape or no rape
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Evans MACHERA
> <evansmachera@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>>
>> *We need to understand;-
>>
>> 1.What rape is and what a woman undergoes during and after the beastly
>> act.
>> 2.What is abortion and who is suited to make the decision of a abortion
>> or
>> not - in either position,should the woman be forced!
>> 3.Women are likely not to speak,but watch with horror the view the men
>> folk will spit out!
>> 4.Can incest be classified under rape!
>> 5.Can abortion be a form of treatment!
>>
>> Here below is a statement/guideline by the S.D.A Church in a situation
>> that calls on the abortion subject.
>> Guidelines on Abortion
>>  Many contemporary societies have faced conflict over the morality of
>> abortion.* Such conflict also has affected large numbers within
>> Christianity who want to accept responsibility for the protection of
>> prenatal human life while also preserving the personal liberty of women.
>> The need for guidelines has become evident, as the Church attempts to
>> follow scripture, and to provide moral guidance while respecting
>> individual
>> conscience. Seventh-day Adventists want to relate to the question of
>> abortion in ways that reveal faith in God as the Creator and Sustainer of
>> all life and in ways that reflect Christian responsibility and freedom.
>> Though honest differences on the question of abortion exist among
>> Seventh-day Adventists, the following represents an attempt to provide
>> guidelines on a number of principles and issues. The guidelines are based
>> on broad biblical principles that are presented for study at the end of
>> the
>> document.**
>> 1) Prenatal human life is a magnificent gift of God. God's ideal for
>> human
>> beings affirms the sanctity of human life, in God's image, and requires
>> respect for prenatal life. However, decisions about life must be made in
>> the context of a fallen world. Abortion is never an action of little
>> moral
>> consequence. Thus prenatal life must not be thoughtlessly destroyed.
>> Abortion should be performed only for the most serious reasons.
>> 2) Abortion is one of the tragic dilemmas of human fallenness. The Church
>> should offer gracious support to those who personally face the decision
>> concerning an abortion. Attitudes of condemnation are inappropriate in
>> those who have accepted the gospel. Christians are commissioned to become
>> a
>> loving, caring community of faith that assists those in crisis as
>> alternatives are considered.
>> 3) In practical, tangible ways the Church as a supportive community
>> should
>> express its commitment to the value of human life. These ways should
>> include:
>>
>> a. strengthening family relationships
>> b. educating both genders concerning Christian principles of human
>> sexuality
>> c. emphasizing responsibility of both male and female for family planning
>> d. calling both to be responsible for the consequences of behaviors that
>> are inconsistent with Christian principles
>> e. creating a safe climate for ongoing discussion of the moral questions
>> associated with abortion
>> f. offering support and assistance to women who choose to complete crisis
>> pregnancies
>> g. encouraging and assisting fathers to participate responsibly in the
>> parenting of their children.
>>
>> The Church also should commit itself to assist in alleviating the
>> unfortunate social, economic, and psychological factors that add to
>> abortion and to care redemptively for those suffering the consequences of
>> individual decisions on this issue.
>> 4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however, it
>> should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control,
>> gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church. Women,
>> at
>> times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious
>> moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant
>> woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital defects
>> carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or
>> incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not
>> should
>> be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She should
>> be
>> aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles, and
>> the
>> guidance of the Holy Spirit. Moreover, these decisions are best made
>> within
>> the context of healthy family relationships.
>>  5) Christians acknowledge as first and foremost their accountability to
>> God. They seek balance between the exercise of individual liberty and
>> their
>> accountability to the faith community and the larger society and its
>> laws.
>> They make their choices according to scripture and the laws of God rather
>> than the norms of society. Therefore, any attempts to coerce women either
>> to remain pregnant or to terminate pregnancy should be rejected as
>> infringements of personal freedom.
>> 6) Church institutions should be provided with guidelines for developing
>> their own institutional policies in harmony with this statement. Persons
>> having a religious or ethical objection to abortion should not be
>> required
>> to participate in the performance of abortions.
>> 7) Church members should be encouraged to participate in the ongoing
>> consideration of their moral responsibilities with regard to abortion in
>> light of the teaching of scripture.
>>
>> *Principles for a Christian View of Life*
>> *Introduction*
>> "Now this is eternal life; that they may know you, the only true God, and
>> Jesus Christ whom you have sent" (John 17:3, *NIV*). In Christ is the
>> promise of eternal life; but since human life is mortal, humans are
>> confronted with difficult issues regarding life and death. The following
>> principles refer to the whole person (body, soul, and spirit), an
>> indivisible whole (Genesis 2:7; 1 Thessalonians 5:23).
>> *
>> Life: Our valuable gift from God*
>> 1) God is the Source, Giver, and Sustainer of all life (Acts 17:25,28;
>> Job
>> 33:4; Genesis 1:30, 2:7; Psalm 36:9; John 1:3,4).
>> 2) Human life has unique value because human beings, though fallen, are
>> created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27; Romans 3:23; 1 John 2:2; 1
>> John
>> 3:2; John 1:29; 1 Peter 1:18,19).
>> 3) God values human life not on the basis of human accomplishments or
>> contributions but because we are God's creation and the object of His
>> redeeming love (Romans 5:6,8; Ephesians 2:2-6; 1 Timothy 1:15; Titus
>> 3:4,5;
>> Matthew 5:43-48; Ephesians 2:4-9; John 1:3, 10:10).
>> *
>> Life: Our response to God's gift*
>>  4) Valuable as it is, human life is not the only or ultimate concern.
>> Self-sacrifice in devotion to God and His principles may take precedence
>> over life itself (Revelation 12:11; 1 Corinthians 13).
>> 5) God calls for the protection of human life and holds humanity
>> accountable for its destruction (Exodus 20:13; Revelation 21:8; Exodus
>> 23:7; Deuteronomy 24:16; Proverbs 6:16,17; Jeremiah 7:3-34; Micah 6:7;
>> Genesis 9:5,6).
>> 6) God is especially concerned for the protection of the weak, the
>> defenseless, and the oppressed (Psalm 82:3,4; James 1:27; Micah 6:8; Acts
>> 20:35; Proverbs 24:11,12; Luke 1:52-54).
>> 7) Christian love (agape) is the costly dedication of our lives to
>> enhancing the lives of others. Love also respects personal dignity and
>> does
>> not condone the oppression of one person to support the abusive behavior
>> of
>> another (Matthew 16:21; Philippians 2:1-11; 1 John 3:16; 1 John 4:8-11;
>> Matthew 22:39; John 18:22,23; John 13:34).
>> 8) The believing community is called to demonstrate Christian love in
>> tangible, practical, and substantive ways. God calls us to restore gently
>> the broken (Galatians 6:1,2; 1 John 3:17,18; Matthew 1:23; Philippians
>> 2:1-11; John 8:2-11; Romans 8:1-14; Matthew 7:1,2, 12:20; Isaiah 40:42,
>> 62:2-4).
>>
>> *Life: Our right and responsibility to decide*
>>  9) God gives humanity the freedom of choice, even if it leads to abuse
>> and tragic consequences. His unwillingness to coerce human obedience
>> necessitated the sacrifice of His Son. He requires us to use His gifts in
>> accordance with His will and ultimately will judge their misuse
>> (Deuteronomy 30:19,20; Genesis 3; 1 Peter 2:24; Romans 3:5,6, 6:1,2;
>> Galatians 5:13).
>> 10) God calls each of us individually to moral decision making and to
>> search the scriptures for the biblical principles underlying such choices
>> (John 5:39; Acts 17:11; 1 Peter 2:9; Romans 7:13-25).
>> 11) Decisions about human life from its beginning to its end are best
>> made
>> within the context of healthy family relationships with the support of
>> the
>> faith community (Exodus 20:12; Ephesians 5,6).
>> 12) Human decisions should always be centered in seeking the will of God
>> (Romans 12:2; Ephesians 6:6; Luke 22:42).
>> *Abortion, as understood in these guidelines, is defined as any action
>> aimed at the termination of a pregnancy already established. This is
>> distinguished from contraception, which is intended to prevent a
>> pregnancy.
>> The focus of the document is on abortion.
>> **The fundamental perspective of these guidelines is taken from a broad
>> study of scripture as shown in the "Principles for a Christian View of
>> Human Life" included at the end of this document.
>> _______________
>> *These guidelines were approved and voted by the General Conference of
>> Seventh-day Adventists Executive Committee at the Annual Council session
>> in
>> Silver Spring, Maryland, October 12, 1992.*
>>
>>  ------------------------------
>> *From:* Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
>> *To:* wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:04 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?
>>
>> Banda,
>>
>> I agree with you completely. The Morning-after Pill should be the
>> first resort in a case of rape. If that is not possible, bear it and
>> carry the pregnancy then give the baby up for adoption. You do not
>> want to bring the kid up and be reminded of the rape forever. That is
>> the kindest thing to do for that kid. People have been known to
>> mistreat kids they bore from rape.
>>
>> Courage,
>> Oduor Maurice
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/23/12, Charles Banda <chasbanda@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Should abortion be permissible in cases of rape? That's jumping the
>> > gun.
>> >  Before we discuss the propriety of abortion in the specific instance
>> > of
>> > rape, let us first establish a moral baseline by discussing the
>> > propriety
>> > of abortion in general.
>> >
>> >  I want to be very clear: In my own opinion, abortion is a
>> *TERRIBLE*thing.
>> > Now, I would not rush to make abortion illegal, since that only seems
>> > to
>> > make things worse, but the idea that unborn children can be flippantly
>> > murdered in cold blood is just simply NASTY. Nowadays, you can not get
>> away
>> > with murdering a useless cat; You can not get away with murdering a
>> > dog;
>> > you can not get away with murdering an innocent lizard, and in most
>> > jurisdictions, you can not even cut down a tree without  running afoul
>> > of
>> > the law.
>> >
>> > So why then should anyone get away with murdering a defenseless unborn
>> > child? On what grounds, exactly, might that level of cruelty be
>> > excused?
>> By
>> > what moral reasoning might a dog rate higher than an unborn infant?
>> >
>> >  Anyhow you look at it, abortion is a *TERRIBLY WICKED* thing to do,
>> which
>> > is why we should not be encouraging it as a society. While I would not
>> rush
>> > to criminalize abortion, I would work overtime to build a society where
>> > unwanted pregnancies, and the need for abortion, are utterly minimized.
>> >
>> >  (a.) If you don't want a child, grab a condom.
>> >
>> > (b.) If you forget, or if you give in to indiscretion in a moment of
>> > heat
>> > and passion, use a morning-after pill to side-track pregnancy while it
>> > is
>> > still early.
>> > (c.) Finally, in the unlikely event that everything fails, take some
>> > *PERSONAL  RESPONSIBILITY* for your own recklessness and have the baby.
>> If
>> > you don't want the child, you can always give him away for adoption,
>> > the
>> > same way that Steve Jobs, or Babe Ruth, or Malcomn X, or Marilyn
>> > Monroe,
>> or
>> > Mark Twain, were given out for adoption.
>> >
>> > Nobody should be cutting up the limbs of a 3-month old fetus. Its nasty
>> and
>> > cruel and *REALLY BARBARIC*, and it is really selfish to presume that a
>> > woman's "choice" to save face after a reckless sexual choices
>> > supersedes
>> > the baby's right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
>> >  If you are pro the life of a cat or a lizard, the least you can do is
>> > be
>> > pro the the life of an incubating human being.
>> >
>> >  Moving on ...
>> >
>> > Should abortion be permissible in cases of rape then? I frankly have no
>> > clear answer. Rape is a horrible crime, and carrying an offspring from
>> rape
>> > must be extremely nauseating. I can not even begin to imagine how
>> traumatic
>> > that would be.
>> >
>> >
>> >  Yet, I can not help but ask: as horrible as rape is, is slaughtering
>> > an
>> > innocent child any less horrible? I really don't know that it is. In my
>> > book, people are people are people are people, whether they are tall or
>> > short, rich or born, black or white, born or unborn. An innocent child
>> > conceived from even rape is in my opinion also entitled to life, to
>> > liberty, to kindness, to dignity, and to the pursuit of happiness.
>> >
>> > So should it be acceptable to abort babies conceived from rape? A YES
>> > answer is not completely satisfactory to moral sentiment.
>> >  So if someone is raped, and they don't want a baby, I think they
>> > should
>> as
>> > a matter of urgency to take a Morning-after pill the very next day.
>> >
>> > Anyway, those are my thoughts. Yours are welcome.
>> >
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