Re: Re: [wanabidii] URAIS 2015 - JANUARY YUSUF MAKAMBA

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On 24/02/2014, Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com> wrote:
> Uzoefu una mchango wake japo siyo lazima utokane na madaraka/uongozi
> serikalini
> On Feb 23, 2014 11:42 PM, "Mathew Mndeme" <mathewmndeme@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bariki,
>>
>> Sijajua sana hapa concept ya uzoefu tunayoizungumzia ni nini. Ni kupewa
>> au
>> kuwa kwenye madaraka na kuwa hapo kw amuda fulani au ni mafanikio
>> yaliyodhahiri katika nafasi uliyokua nayo. Sio mara zote uzoefu unakua
>> nguvu ya mafanikio ya uongozi. Mara nyingi hiki tunachokiita uzoefu,
>> kimetumika kuharibu zaidi watu wapewapo madaraka.
>>
>> Kama huu ndio mtizamo wa kuamini watu kuwapa nafasi ya juu ya uongozi,
>> basi tutegemee Tanzania kuongozwa na watu walewale ambao ndio tunaamini
>> uzoefu wao; tutegemee mawazo yaleyale; tutegemee matatizo yaleyale na
>> kuishi maisha yaleyale. Maana wako wanaoweza kujenga hoja kuwa anayeweza
>> kumrithi Kikwete lazima awe ni mtu ambaye amekua waziri mkuu wake; au mtu
>> wake wa katibu , au ameonja urais wa Zanzibar na mengine ya aina hiyo.
>>
>> Mimi nadhani twaweza kwenda mbele zaidi tukawa na vigezo vizuri zaidi vya
>> kumuhukumu mtu anayetaka kutuongoza kama nilivyotangulia kusema kwenye
>> email yangu.
>>
>> MM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-23 23:32 GMT+03:00 Bariki Mwasaga <bmwasaga@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Nafikiri Mwinyi na waliomfuata wanatofautiana kwa kuwango cha juu.
>>> Aliingia kwenye uongozi wa JMT akiwa na Uzoefu wa mwaka mzima kama Rais
>>> wa
>>> SMZ
>>> On Feb 23, 2014 11:29 PM, "Mathew Mndeme" <mathewmndeme@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kaka Elisa,
>>>>
>>>> Nitaendelea na nilipoishia jana.
>>>>
>>>> Ila kutotkana na ulichosema hapa naomba nikuulize. Tulipomchagua Mwinyi
>>>> kuwa Rais, alikua amefanya nini kama landmark ya mafanikio ya
>>>> kiuongozi?
>>>> Tulipomchagua Mkapa, ni watanzania wangapi walikua wanafahamu utendaji
>>>> wake? Unakumbuka Mwalimu Nyerere alivyopata shida hadi kujipa jukumu la
>>>> kuzunguka akimtambulisha?
>>>>
>>>> Tulipomchagua Rais Kikwete tulipewa ushuhuda gani wa mafanikio yake
>>>> ambao ndio ulitushawishi kumchagua kwa zaidi ya 80% za kura kuwa Rais?
>>>>
>>>> Uelewa wangu mdogo ni kuwa Urais ni taasisi...much more organized,
>>>> structure and capacitated than any other office of the land.
>>>> Hatumchagui
>>>> kiongozi kwenye ile office kwa sababu ya utimilifu wake au mafanikio
>>>> yake
>>>> binafsi. Bali kwa sababu tuna hakika ya uwezo wake wa kutuongoza kama
>>>> taifa
>>>> akiisimamia katiba ya nchi, sheria zilizoko na maadili yanayotuongoza
>>>> kama
>>>> taifa.
>>>>
>>>> Ngoja niandike nilichokusudia jana. Nitarudi.
>>>>
>>>> *MM*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-02-23 19:39 GMT+03:00 ELISA MUHINGO <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Ndugu Mndeme comments za hao au zetu kuhusu uzoefu wa January ni kwa
>>>>> nafasi ya urais. Hivyo vijana wote uliowataja tunawaona ktk nafasi za
>>>>> ubunge na nyingine kwanza. Huwezi kumjaribu mtu kwa nafasi ya juu kama
>>>>> hiyo.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------
>>>>> Sent from my Nokia Phone
>>>>>
>>>>> ------Original message------
>>>>> From: Mathew Mndeme <mathewmndeme@gmail.com>
>>>>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Date: Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:52:47 PM GMT+0300
>>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] URAIS 2015 - JANUARY YUSUF MAKAMBA
>>>>>
>>>>> Yona na wengine,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kama alivyosema Nico, January kama raia w anchi hii anaweza kugombea
>>>>> uras
>>>>> hivyo huenda naye anautaka. Na hadi afikie maamuzi au mawazo hayo,
>>>>> lazima
>>>>> kuna vitu kadhaa ametizama yeye kama mtu binafsi na wale ambao huenda
>>>>> wanamshauri na kuona anaweza kujitosa. Ila natofautiana na mawazo ya
>>>>> Nico
>>>>> na Ngulupa katika hoja kuu ya email yako.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bila kutoa maoni yangu kuhusu kufaa au kutokufaa kwake, ninaona kuna
>>>>> tatizo
>>>>> tunapohukumu watu kama hawa pale tunapokua na definitions zetu au
>>>>> per-conceived ideas/perception za nini chatakiwa kwa mtu kustahili
>>>>> kuwa
>>>>> kiongozi wa nchi. Nimeona watu kadhaa wanapozungumzia watu aina ya
>>>>> January, wanaishia kuhukumu uzoefu, umri, na mafanikio au mabadiliko
>>>>> ambayo
>>>>> kayaleta hadi sasa. Sina hakika kama huu ni mtazamo sahihi sana maana
>>>>> kama
>>>>> ndio msingi wa kupata viongozi, basi tusingekua na kiongozi katika
>>>>> ngazi
>>>>> yeyote ile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Labda tujiulize maswali; vijana kama akina Nassari Mbunge wa Arumeru,
>>>>> Mnyika wa Ubungo, Lusinde wa Mtera, Mwigulu wa Iramba, Zitto wa Kigoma
>>>>> North na wengine wengi walikua wana uzoefu gani au walikuwa
>>>>> wamefanikiwa
>>>>> nini hadi kupewa nafasi zile za uongozi? Nani aliwajua vema kabla ya
>>>>> nafasi
>>>>> walizonazo? Je baadhi ya vijana hawa hawafanyi kazi nzuri kuliko
>>>>> maprofesa
>>>>> na veterani wengine wanaozeekea kule bungeni? Viongozi kama DJ
>>>>> aliyekua
>>>>> rais wa Madagasca walikuwa wana uzoefu gani au wamefanikisha nini hadi
>>>>> watu
>>>>> wakawaamini kuwapa uongozi? Cameroon na Obama walikua wamefanya nini
>>>>> cha
>>>>> tofauti kama watu binafsi kabla ya kufikia ofisi walizoshika sasa?
>>>>> Kijana
>>>>> Malema wa SA ambaye anawaumiza kichwa akina JZ sasa ana nini
>>>>> chakuonesha
>>>>> kama mafanikio?
>>>>>
>>>>> Pili, tunapohukumu watu kwa perfomance yao kama sehemu ya mchakato wa
>>>>> kuwaamini kuwa viongozi wetu, tujipe pia nafasi ya kujiuliza je
>>>>> walipokua
>>>>> wanalikua na mwanya kiasi gani wa kufanya mambo na kuonesha mabadiliko
>>>>> yenye ushawishi kwa kiasi tunachotaka kuona? Kwa mfano, nadhani nafasi
>>>>> aliyonayo January kwa sasa kama naibu waziri, kwa mfumo wa utendaji wa
>>>>> wizara ulioko, sioni ukimpa sana nafasi ya yeye kuonesha utendaji wake
>>>>> na
>>>>> mafanikio ya kiuongozi. Binafsi ninaona alipokua mbunge pekee,
>>>>> tuliweza
>>>>> kuuona utu wake, uwezo wake, nia yake na maono yake kuliko ilivyo
>>>>> sasa.
>>>>> Nakumbuka alivyokua anaongoza kamati ya Nishati na madini; nakumbuka
>>>>> alivyosimama bungeni bial uchama sana akiwa na hoja za makazi na issue
>>>>> nzima ya mortgaging na ajira kwa vijana kuliko ilivyo sasa. Labda
>>>>> tungekwenda pia kwa watu wa Bumbuli tuwaulize je mbunge wao ambaye ni
>>>>> kama
>>>>> mjukuu kwa mbunge aliuyemtangulia, kawasaidia nini na kafanya nini
>>>>> kama
>>>>> kiongozi kubadilisha maisha yao?
>>>>>
>>>>> Point yangu ya msingi ni kuwa, huwezi kupima mafanikio ya kiuongozi
>>>>> bila
>>>>> kupema nafasi, mamlaka na mahali pa kuonesha uwezo wako. Nadhani kuna
>>>>> mambo
>>>>> ya msingi zaidi ya kuyatizama katika kumuaminisha mtu uongozi wa nchi
>>>>> yetu
>>>>> katika ngazi yeyote ile ambayo yana nguvu kuliko umri, uzoefu, na
>>>>> mafanikio
>>>>> ambayo keshayapata kama kiongozi. Kwa kusema hivi, simaanishi napuuza
>>>>> nguvu
>>>>> na nafasi ya uzoefu katika uongozi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jambo hili la kujikita kuwapa watu nafasi za uongozi kwa vile tu wana
>>>>> sifa
>>>>> ambazo sisi tumeziona kuwa ndio msingi wa uwezo wao lina athari kubwa
>>>>> sana
>>>>> kwenye nchi yetu.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Kwanza, limewafanya watu wengi sana wenye nia njema na mawazo
>>>>> mazuri
>>>>> kabisa ambayo huenda yangebadili hali iliyoko, kuogopa sana kuingia
>>>>> kwenye
>>>>> siasa au uongozi wa ushindani, wakiogopa kuambiwa waoneshe hizo
>>>>> sifa
>>>>> na
>>>>> wasiwe nazo au zisiwe dhahiri kama ilivyotegemewa. Imewafanya wale
>>>>> waliotangulia hata kama ni kwa kubebwa ndio wabaki kwenye mfumo kwa
>>>>> sababu
>>>>> tu wao wanajulika
>>>>> 2. Pili, limezuia mawazo mapya na changamoto mpya ambazo ni mzingi
>>>>> sana
>>>>> katika kuleta mabadiliko ya kweli
>>>>> 3. Tayu, limefanya uongozi uwe wa kujuana zaidi na wanaojulikana
>>>>> ndio
>>>>> wanaobaki kwenye uongozi hata bula tija
>>>>> 4. Nne, tumebaki kukumbatia wazee au majina fulani kwa miaka nenda
>>>>> rudi
>>>>> huku tukiwa na malalamiko na maumivu yaleyale
>>>>> 5. Tano, imechangia sana kujenga taifa la watu waoga kuleta
>>>>> mabadiliko...waoga kufanya kitu cha tofauti na mazoea yetu. Sio tu
>>>>> vijana
>>>>> kama akina Makamba na wengine wanaogopwa kupewa nafasi kwenye vyama
>>>>> vyao
>>>>> kwa kuwa eti hawana uzoefu, bali hili limechangia sana hata katika
>>>>> kuogopa
>>>>> kukubali vyama pinzani kuwa vinaweza kubadilisha hali
>>>>> iliyoko...huku
>>>>> tukilemewa na msemo wa zimwi likujualo halikukuli likakwishwa
>>>>> (sikumbuki
>>>>> vema maneno halisi)
>>>>>
>>>>> Nirudie tu kusema kuwa, tuna vigezo vingi vingine vya msingi ambavyo
>>>>> twaweza kuvitumia kuhukumu aina ya watu wanaotaka kutuongoza zaidi ya
>>>>> uzoefu, umri, na mafanikio ambayo mwombaji keshayapa kabla ya nafasi
>>>>> anayoitaka sasa.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nitarudi nikipata upenyo
>>>>> *MM*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-02-22 18:21 GMT+03:00 Nico Eatlawe <eatlawe@yahoo.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Yona na wengine,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Kugombea nafasi yoyote ni haki ya kikatiba ya kila Mtanzania maadam
>>>>> anavyo
>>>>> > vigezo vinavyotakiwa. Kwa msingi huo, mimi sioni tatizo kwa Makamba
>>>>> > kugombea urais. Wasi wasi wangu tu kuwa anaweza kuwa anatamani ikulu
>>>>> kwa
>>>>> > vile alikuwa karibu na JK bila kujua ugumu wa hiyo nafasi yaani
>>>>> kuongoza
>>>>> > zaidi ya milioni 43. Inahitaji uzoevu na ukomavu wa namna fulani mtu
>>>>> > kuongoza. Siyo kuwa na digrii au kuwa mbunge inamtosheleza mtu
>>>>> kugombea
>>>>> > urais maana siyo kila anayepata ubunge ni kiongozi kweli maana
>>>>> > tunaona
>>>>> > wengi ni wafuasi tu wala hawana ushawishi wala ajenda yoyote zaidi
>>>>> > ya
>>>>> > maslahi yao binafsi.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Pengine tuangalie kazi yake hadi leo. Ana ushawishi gani? Ameleta
>>>>> kipya
>>>>> > gani? Tunaona vijana akina Zitto wakijaribu kufanya vitu hata kama
>>>>> > wanaonekana wana udhaifu. Udhaifu ni ubinadamu ila kazi anafanya.
>>>>> > Kwa
>>>>> > upande wa CCM mimi sijaona kijana mwenye ushawishi na maono ukiacha
>>>>> wazee
>>>>> > wenye uzoevu.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Saturday, 22 February 2014, 12:20, Yona Fares Maro <
>>>>> > oldmoshi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ndugu zangu ,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Huyu kijana mwenzetu ameonyesha nia ya Kuutaka urais wa Tanzania ,
>>>>> > kuthibitisha hilo amehojiwa na kamati kuu ya CCM na akapewa adhabu
>>>>> > ya
>>>>> miezi
>>>>> > 12 .
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Je kuna lolote la kujadili kuhusu Mhe January Makamba ? Au tumwache
>>>>> tu kwa
>>>>> > sababu hatumjui na hatutaki kumjua zaidi ?
>>>>> >
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