Kazi kweli kweli.
Walewale.
From: paul lawala <pasamila292000@gmail.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
Kazi ndiyo msingi wa maendeleo, ni kweli kuna wakati jamii inaweza
kufanya kazi kwa bidii lakini bado haiendelei
Hali kama hii ndio inaitwa ufukara, kwa hiyo kama kuna mtu au kuindi
linafanya kazi kwa bidii lakini haioni matunda ya kazi ndiyo ina haki
ya kulalamika
Nionavyo mimi kundi linalolalamikiwa limejitahidi kufanya kazi na
kutumia fursa zilizopo
Mjadala kama huu utakuwa na mwafaka tu kama makundi yote ya kijamii
yanajitambua, njia mojawapo ya kujitambua ni kupitia elimu
2012/9/23 Daud Rwebangila <drwebangila@gmail.com>:
> Mara nyingi wanaopiga kelele na kujifanya wanatetea dini zao , hata hayo
> maadili ya dini zenyewe hawayafuati.
> Acheni unafiki, jifunze kuvumiliana, tafute haki kwa haki na upate
> unachostahili.
> Kupiga kelele na kutukana pia ni ishara ya kupotoka kimaadili na hakika
> hakuna dini inayokubaliana na hili.
>
> 2012/9/23 Hildegarda Kiwasila <khildegarda@yahoo.co.uk>
>>
>> Ubariiwe, thanks. Inaelimisha. Ichape hii taarifa yako kwenye gazeti.
>>
>> Watu wanakosa Self-efficacy ya kuona wanaweza kufanya kitu kwa maendeleo
>> yao, kujituma sio tu kikazi na darasani-kujifanyia vyao wenyewe badala ya
>> kulaumu wengine.
>> Waafrika wakiwa ulaya wanafanyakazi ya kuosha vyombo, kudeki, kutembeza
>> barua, kuendesha taxi usiku mzima, anapika na kujioshea vyombo
>> mwenye-akirudi bongo hata sahani hawezi kuondoa mezani akapeleka jikoni na
>> kuleta mabadiliko katika familia na ukoo wake. Ukiwabebea bango wazembe
>> ndani ya familia-kuna kitu kibaya cha uafrika wetu wanaanza kukuona
>> 'mnoko'.Mnarudi nyuma. Nani anazua madrasa isiwe na shule ya chekechea au
>> msikiti/kanisa isiwe na shule ya mzingi, makao makuu ya dini yasiwe na
>> sendondari au university moja kwa nchi? Au-isijenge Referral Hospital kwa
>> mchango kutoka Oman au roma-England? Vile vyakula vya kulisha maelfu Iftah,
>> Krismas vingenunua madawati, vitabu, vitanda vingapi vya zahanati kwa
>> dhehebu hilo. Wala leo waenda chooni leu kukitoa lakini desk, kitabu,
>> kitanda cha wagonjwa hudumu miaka. Tujichungue matendo yetu. Gharama ya
>> matangazo ya 'Dume' na michezo yao na yale ya kisiasa ya maandamano nchi
>> nzima na na mapigano vi shule ngapi bora huko porini zingejengwa ukaongeza
>> sifa ya chama chako. Kuchangia shule ya kata iwe bora hatutoi ila ya kulisha
>> watu kisiasa posho watembee nukta moja zinatoka mamilioni. Huwa tunajihoji?
>> Why lawama kwa Rais daima?
>>
>> Bado huyo anayeoza kichanga apate mifugo alimbikize tu na anayehamia
>> misitu na mbuga za hifadhi kukata miti, anayechimba mchanga mpaka kung'oa
>> milingoti ya daraja, usimwambie-atakupiga panga. Akitoka hapo angalia
>> atafanya nini-kaongeza mke, pombe za misifa. Lakini huyo ana lawama kichizi
>> na jirani akijitahidi yeye ndio wakwanza kuiba na kuvuna. Hawezi kuiga kitu
>> hata ukimpa mfano hata ukimuwezesha. Ukifuatilia vikundi vilivyowezeshwa,
>> waliosomeshwa kwa kuhisaniwa waliowengi hawaoni ile nafasi kuwa ya pekee
>> wajitahidi waongoke. Hichi kidudu cha lawama tu, kutokujituma kama hao
>> wahiti Ulaya waliopelekwa na Muingereza walisaga lami, kuendesha train na
>> town buses, kufagia barabara etc sasa ni matajiri. Sisi ufisadi tu na
>> kusingizia viongozi na bado tutawapigia kura hao wa makabila yetu tuwaitao
>> mafisadi na kuwalaumu. Tutahusika na mikataba mibaya ya wawekezaji, kuchukua
>> leseni za madini maofisini kwetu kujipa wenyewe, kusafirisha visichana
>> badala ya kuvisomesha kuvipeleka Oman kuolewa na mizee kutafuta utajiri,
>> kutozipa shule na health services tuanzishazo au tupewazo ziwe katika top 5
>> au 10. Wanaohusika na elimu ya shule, vyuo na elimu jamii wanasoma pia
>> mitandao hii, tunahitaji mabadiliko ili tupate mental and cultural
>> revolution ya kutuwezesha kujituma kama wenzetu badala ya kutumia visingizio
>> vya kuonewa toka ulimwengu uanze.
>> Ahsante Mkinga. watanzania tubadilike.
>>
>>
>> From: Bart Mkinga <bmkinga@yahoo.com>
>> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012, 9:29
>>
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>>
>> Umaskini ni jambo baya sana, ni mbaya zaidi kama umaskini ukampata
>> aliyekosa hekima. Maskini aliyekosa hekima siku zote hufikiria kuwa umaskini
>> wake umesababishwa na mtu mwingine, na mara nyingi hufikiria umesababishwa
>> na aliye na uafadhali (Nimekuwa maskini kwa sababu wewe ni tajiri). Umaskini
>> uliokosa hekima huondoa utashi wa kuchanganua na kuchambua matendo yako
>> binafsi yanayokufanya uwe maskini.
>>
>> Ni umaskini huu wa kukosa hekima, ndiyo maana hata baadhi ya viongozi wetu
>> wengi wanaamini watanzania tumekuwa maskini kwa sababu ya wageni; kwa sababu
>> ya wazungu na waarabu (ukoloni na utumwa au biashara isiyo na uwiano), IMF,
>> World Bank, n.k. Fikra hizi ndiyo zinashuka kutoka Taifani mpaka kwenye
>> makundi ya kijamii yaani makundi ya kiimani kama dini, kikabila, n.k. Baadhi
>> ya waislam wanaamini umaskini wao umesababishwa na wakristo, na baadhi ya
>> wakristo wanaamini kuwa utajiri wa baadhi ya waislam umesababishwa na
>> utawala wa Viongozi waislam (Ali Hassan Mwinyi na Kikwete), na kuna watu
>> wanaamini kuwa makabila fulani kama wachaga na Wahaya wamekuwa na maisha
>> bora zaidi kwa sababu ya makabila yao, n.k. Yote ukiyaweka pamoja ni matunda
>> ya kuamini kuwa umaskini au dhiki ni lazima viwe vimesababishwa na mtu
>> mwingine na wala siyo mazao ya matendo yako.
>>
>> Kama ni kutawaliwa, mbona mataifa karibu yote Duniani, wakati fulani
>> yalikuwa makoloni? Baadhi ya mataifa koloni mbona yamekuwa na maisha bora
>> kuliko wakoloni wao? Kama umaskini unasababishwa na dini ya kiongozi mkuu,
>> inawezekanaje leo hii katika baadhi ya Mataifa kama Uingereza kuna matajiri
>> wakubwa ambao siyo wakristo (waislam na Wahindi) licha ya kwamba uongozi wa
>> nchi hiyo miaka yote umeshikwa na wakristo tu tena katika ngazi zote? Leo
>> hii hata wakati wa machafuko, waarabu wanakimbilia ulaya, kwenye mataifa
>> ambayo yanaongozwa na wakristo, na wananchi wake wengi ni wakristo, mbona
>> hawaji huku kwetu ambako tuna jamii kubwa ya kiislam?
>>
>> Tujiulize mifano midogo, Chuo kile Kikuu cha Morogoro, walipewa Bakwata
>> bure, wanafunzi wanaoenda pale wanapata mikopo ya serikali kama vyuo vingine
>> - je maendeleo yake yapoje kikilinganishwa na vyuo kama Tumaini ambao
>> walianza bila ya kupewa hata jengo moja na serikali, na wanafunzi wake
>> wakiwa hawapati mikopo ya serikali?
>>
>> Ushauri wangu kwa watanzania, katika matatizo yetu, tunapofanya tathmini
>> tujiangalie wenyewe kwanza kabla ya kufikiria kuwa matatizo yetu
>> yanasababishwa na mtu mwingine. Mtu anapodai wakristo wanapendelewa, ni
>> lazima achanganue wanapendelewa katika nini. Kama ni hospitali na shule za
>> kanisa, wakristo, waislam na wasio na dini mkienda katika hospitali na shule
>> hizo mnapata huduma sawa, mnalipia sawa (tena kwa upande wa wakristo wakati
>> mwingine kuna michango makanisani ya kuzianzisha na kuzitegemeza taasisi
>> hizo). Kama kuna kitu ambacho mkristo anapata, zaidi nadhani ni moral
>> satisfaction (kusema hii ni shule au hospitali ya kanisa letu).
>>
>> Waislam wanaongelea mgawanyo wa nafasi za uongozi serikalini, lakini
>> tujiulize hizo nafasi zipo ngapi, na wakristo wapo wangapi kiasi cha
>> kuwafaidisha wakristo? Leo hii mawaziri wapo karibu 50, wakati watanzania
>> tupo karibu milioni 45. Hata kama nafasi hizo wangepewa zote waislam au
>> wakristo, je zitabadilisha tatizo la ajira kwa kundi fulani? Malalamiko ya
>> upendeleo wa uongozi yangekuwa na mantiki kama endapo mawaziri hao wa dini
>> fulani wanafanya kazi kwa manufaa ya dini yao. Na kwenye hili, kama kuna mtu
>> ana taarifa za dini fulani kupendelewa au kubaguliwa katika huduma fulani
>> kutokana na dini yake, basi taarifa ziwekwe wazi kuliko kuwa na maneno ya
>> jumla jumla ya kuokoteza (sweeping statements).
>>
>> Kwangu mimi kwenye maneno haya ya kuchochea mauaji ya kidini ni makosa ya
>> jinai, wahusika wanastahili kukamatwa na kuhukumiwa kwa kadiri ya sheria za
>> nchi, hilo lisipofanyika ni kutokana na ulegelege wa seriikali. Siamini kuwa
>> hao wanaojiita viongozi wa dini ya kiislam wanaochochea ubaguzi wanafanya
>> hivyo kuwawakilisha waislam wote. Tumesikia juzi kauli ya Mufti Mkuu kuhusu
>> Ponda, nae anataka serikali imchukulie hatua Ponda, naye haridhishwi na
>> serikali kuona Ponda analelewa. Kauli ya mfitini mmoja au wawili waislam
>> isichukuliwe ni kauli ya waislam wote.
>>
>> Na katika hili la serikali kushindwa kuchukua hatua lisichukuliwe kiujumla
>> kuwa halifanyiki kwa kuwa Rais au IGP ni muislam, bali ni udhaifu wa
>> kiutendaji wa hii serikali yetu. Hata katika masuala mengine yasiyohusiana
>> na dini kama EPA, Meremeta, Tangold, n.k. serikali yetu imechukua hatua
>> gani? Mimi nauona kuwa ni udhaifu wa serikali katika kuchukua maamuzi magumu
>> inapohitajika kuliko udini wa wenye mamlaka.
>>
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> From: Peter Lwegasira <petermakatu@yahoo.com>
>> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 7:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>>
>> Maskini Chamani sijui Walewale,
>>
>> Ondoa ujinga kwanza. Utakuponza.
>>
>> From: "matinyi@hotmail.com" <matinyi@hotmail.com>
>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com; "wanabidii@googlegroups.com"
>> <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 8:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>>
>> Jamani acheni kutukanana. Sisi wote ni maskini wa kutupwa ndani ya
>> Tanzania. Tuijenge nchi yetu. Umaskini ama ujinga dawa yake ni kuung'oa na
>> siyo kugombana wenyewe.
>> Matinyi.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "amour chamani" <abachamani@yahoo.com>
>> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>> Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:49 pm
>>
>>
>> Ngupala,
>> Hebu jenga hoja ya maana wacha kutukana haitawasaidia hata kidogo.Dawa ya
>> haya mambo ni kuacha dhulma mliyoifanya kwa miaka yote tangu na baada ya
>> uhuru.Hiyo mifano ya Sadam na Gadaf inahusiana vipi na hili la hapa?
>> Wakati mwingine huwa nashindwa kuelewa hiyo dogma yenu ya kanisani kwa
>> nini mnaitumia katika maisha yenu ya kila siku.
>> Kama unajua mifano sema kanisa lilichokifanya Rwanda au ndicho mnacho taka
>> kutufanyia sisi?
>> Hayo hamuwezi kwani sisi mbali ya huo ujinga na wingi wetu kama wa kuku
>> HATUNA CHA KUPOTEZA.
>> TUKO CHALI HATUOGOPI KUANGUKA.
>> Ole wenu ninyi mafisadi,watawala,wasomi(educated fools) nk.
>> Hii nchi ni yetu wote acheni kiburi cha mfumo kristo.
>>
>>
>>
>> Walewale.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:02 PM
>> Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>>
>>
>>
>> Ndugu Muhingo,naafikiana nawe mia kwa mia. Hawa jamaa ni lazima waelewe
>> kuwa hakuna njia ya mkato.Kama wanaöa wanaonewa,wajifunge mkanda,wajipange
>> kupitia njia ile ile wenzao wamepitia.Martin Luther king aliwaambia
>> wamerekani weusi,kama mkitaka kujikomboa,basi mwenye uwezo wa kuimba na
>> aimbe,na mwenye uwezo wa kupigana,na apigane na mwenye kusoma na asome.Ndio
>> matunda yake leo hii hata wanaonekana na kushika nafasi za juu serikani. Mtu
>> anayedhani anaweza fanya lolote kwa vita au vurugu,cha muhimu ajiulize
>> atakimbilia wapi asipopatikana? Zanzibar walipokuwa na vurugu walikimbilia
>> Uk.Mbona hawakwenda Bubai? Elimu ya mjinga ni majungu na dawa ya mpumbavu ni
>> upumbavu.Kupanga ni kuchagua.Lakini na ikumbukwe kila amwagae damu,naye damu
>> yake huyo itamwagwa. Wako wapi akina Osama,Saddamu na Gadaffi?.Tunajua
>> wanajifunza judo misikitini,pia kutengeneza mabomu ya petrol nk.Lakini
>> hawatafanikiwa....Ngupula
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:09 AM EEST ELISA MUHINGO wrote:
>>
>> >Wewe unaamini kuwa Serikali inatoa mabilioni hayo kuimarisha ukristo? Ipo
>> > Serikali ya Namna hiyo?
>> >Kama serikali itatoa fedha kwa hospitali za missioni kwa sababu zinatoa
>> > huduma wala si biashara huko ni kuimarisha ukristo? Kuna hospitali yoyote
>> > inayotoa huduma kama hizo inayonyimwa ruzuku kwa sababu siyo ya kikriso?
>> > Kwanza hospitali hizo zinaendeshwa na makanisa tu lakini ni za wagonjwa bila
>> > kujali ni wa imani gani. Tunaziona za Agakhan. ni commecial/bussiness as
>> > usual.. Ni hospitali za wagonjwa tatajili. Mvumi ya Dodoma au Kilimatinde ni
>> > za wagonjwa wote. ndiyo maana serikali huzipa ruzuku.
>> >
>> >Tusiwe wapumbavu kama ndugu zetu hawa ila tujaribu kuona namna gani
>> > tutakwenda nao. Wanakoelekea wanaweza kuleta sokomoko. Kama wakikubaliana
>> > kuwa uislamu ni kuua na kuuawa itakuwa balaa kwa sababu ipo siku watalaumu
>> > kuwa jua halijawaka sana kwenye maeneo yao
>> >
>> >--- On Fri, 9/21/12, Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >From: Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>
>> >Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>> >To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >Date: Friday, September 21, 2012, 11:18 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Basi kama yanayosemwa ni kweli,nani anayepaswa kuwajibishwa hapa?mtoaji
>> > au mpokeaji?Nani tulimpa dhamana ya kulinda rasmali zetu?....ccm ndio
>> > iliyoshika dola,si waache tu kutoa?
>> >
>> >Long time ago nilikuwa nafikiri ni baadhi tu ya watu fulani wasio na
>> > uelewa mzuri ndio wanaoendekeza hizi chuki zisizo na ukweli wowote.Now am
>> > almost convinced that some religion beliefs are like cancer.They eat every
>> > one regardless of his understand. Regards,Godfrey Ngupula
>> >
>> >------------------------------
>> >On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 07:34 EEST MikiDadi Waziri wrote:
>> >
>> >>Bwana Mbegu
>> >>Hayo yanayosemwa yote ni yakweli, Ndio maana hakuna mtu yeyote mwenye
>> >>kukanusha..
>> >>On Sep 21, 2012 8:52 PM, "Edgar Mbegu" <embegu@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Nape yuko wapi kujibu shutuma? Serikali ya CCM inaongozwa na Maaskofu;
>> >> Serikali ya CCM inawapendelea Wakristo kwa kuwapa mabilioni... Serikali
>> >> haifai hii kumbe!
>> >> Kamati ya Ulinzi na Usalama wapo? Hawa watu si wanatangaza vita kama
>> >> ile
>> >> ya Rwanda? IGP yupo? Hawa watu si wanapanga kuvuruga maandamano ya
>> >> CHADEMA
>> >> kwa kutangaza kutoka kupambana nao? Hao watu walipewa kibali cha
>> >> kufanya
>> >> mkutano wa kidini au wa kisiasa au wa uchochezi?
>> >>
>> >> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:31:38 +0300
>> >> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU
>> >> > ARUSHA
>> >> > From: mngonge@gmail.com
>> >> > To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >> >
>> >> > Inteligensia ilikuwepo na ipo, tatizo mitambo yao iko insensitive na
>> >> > mambo kama hayo na hivyo hayasomeki vizuri kwenye mitambo yao. Wala
>> >> > hawana sababu ya kurekebisha mitambo kwa vile yaliyo ya msingi kwao
>> >> > yanasomeka. Nafikiri yanayosomeka kwao mwayajua
>> >> >
>> >> > 2012/9/21 Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > frmapunda,si wewe tu unayeumia.Wakristo wengi wanaumia sana kwa
>> >> > > vituko
>> >> vya waislamu na ukimya wa serikali.Kwa mtazamo wangu kwa hali hii naona
>> >> ni
>> >> hatari sana kwa Tanzania kuongozwa na raisi muislam kwani hawa jamaa
>> >> kama
>> >> ambavyo hawaamiki kumiliki hata bunduki kwa jamii ya
>> >> kimataifa,hawaamiki
>> >> hata kidogo kushika dhamana ya juu ya uongozi kama raisi.Tumeona hivyo
>> >> kipindi cha Mwinyi na sasa Jk pia. Kuishi na jamii ya watu hawa inahidi
>> >> umakini na ukali wa hali juu na sio kuwachekeachekea tu.Wakristo
>> >> wanapoamua
>> >> kuzaa na kuoa kwa mpango ili kutoa malezi bora kwa watoto wao,wao
>> >> wamepanga
>> >> kuzaliana kwa ustaarabu wa kuku,hao wakristo wakipanda hizo
>> >> baiskeli,wao
>> >> kinawauma nini? Mimi binafsi ninawashauri sana,wabadikike kama
>> >> ulimwengu
>> >> ulivyobadilika,wapange uzazi wa mpango na watafute maisha bora kwa
>> >> watoto
>> >> wao,waache majungu.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Fr,huku mwanza kuna radio kwa neema,imewafungua watu kuhusu haya
>> >> yanayotokea na kanda ya ziwa we are very aware. Jamii ya kikristo iko
>> >> makini sana na ina mipango madhubuti sana ktk chaguzi zijazo.maombi pia
>> >> yanaendelea na umakini wa hali ya juu unachukuliwa.Hakika,wanazaa
>> >> watoto
>> >> kama kuku kwa lengo la kuijaza tz wjtafanikiwa lak4ni ni ktk magereza
>> >> na
>> >> magereji.Maisha bora kwa mtanzania yataletwa na mtazania mwenyewe.
>> >> Wahutu
>> >> waliwaua watusti,leo hali ikoje huko burundi?anayetawala ni nani?wahutu
>> >> au
>> >> watusti?.vipaji akili na hekima ni tunda la kumcha Mungu wa kweli.Mungu
>> >> wa
>> >> vurugu hakika yake,hatafanikiwa Tanzania.Regards,Godfrey Ngupula
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ------------------------------
>> >> > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:40 PM EEST frmapunda91@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >On Monday, March 28, 2011 6:21:21 AM UTC-7, Henry Kaisi wrote:
>> >> > > Wakati habari juu ya babu huko Loliondo zinapumzika kidogo, naomba
>> >> niwape na haya niliyoyasikia kwa masikio yangu kutoka redio Imani. Hii
>> >> ni
>> >> redio ya Waislamu ambayo inatangaza kutokea mkoa wa Morogoro. Sijui
>> >> kama
>> >> husikika nchi nzima au la. Hapa kwetu Arusha kulikuwa na kongamano
>> >> kubwa la
>> >> Waislamu wa madhehebu yote, jana Jpili na lilianza tangu asubuhi hadi
>> >> jioni. Walikuwepo watoa mada mbalimbali, lakini mimi nilifanikiwa
>> >> kumsikia
>> >> mmoja, pamoja na immamu wa mkoa aliyetoa maazimio ya kongamano.Bila
>> >> shaka
>> >> magazeti yataripoti vizuri. Nimesukumwa kuandika tena kwa urefu kwani
>> >> nilisikitika sana kusikia maneno ambayo sikuwahi kuyasikia tangu
>> >> nizaliwe
>> >> yakiongelewa hadharani ndani ya nchi yangu. Nakumbuka nilisoma maazimio
>> >> ya
>> >> Mwanza, lakini hii imenistua sana. Kama tunamwomba Mungu basi tuongeze
>> >> nguvu, kama hatuombi basi tuanze. Kwa mtindo huu, ninawasiwasi na amani
>> >> ya
>> >> Tanzania ambayo tumejivunia miaka hamsini sasa. Mliopata neema ya
>> >> kupata
>> >> nafasi za juu
>> >> > > serikalini, sijui serikali inayaonaje mambo haya. Hayajaanza leo,
>> >> > > ila
>> >> imeyaachia yaendelee. Makanisa yanazidi kuchomwa, hakuna msikiti
>> >> uliwahi
>> >> kuchomwa kama sijakosea. Wakristo wanavamiwa na kupigwa, hakuna
>> >> mhadhara wa
>> >> Waislamu uliwahi kuvamiwa. Redio Imani na magazeti ya Kiislamu (mfano
>> >> Al-alnuur) yanazidi kumwaga sumu ya udini, na ubaguzi, na chuki, lakini
>> >> sijawahi kusikia vyombo hivi vikikemewa. Huu, ukimya wa serikali na
>> >> vyombo
>> >> vyake, sijui maana yake ni nini? Sumu hii ikiishapandwa kuing'oa ni
>> >> kazi.
>> >> Jamaa hawa walifanya mambo yao sirini tangu enzi za Mwinyi, na sasa,
>> >> wameamua kuyaweka wazi na kuhamasisha Watanzania waziwazi tuuane.
>> >> Haiingii
>> >> akilini mwangu. Je, viongozi wetu wa dini wanazo taaarifa za kutosha
>> >> kuhusu
>> >> mambo haya? Wanachukua hatua gani? Je, sisi tuchukue hatua gani? Shehe
>> >> Ilunga Hassan ndiye niliyeweza kumsikia. Ameongea mambo mengi, lakini
>> >> yote
>> >> ni ya kupandikiza chuki ndani ya Watanzania. Ameanza kwa kutoa pongezi
>> >> kwa
>> >> kile Waislamu
>> >> > > walichokifanya huko Mto wa mbu (Arusha) kwa kuwapiga wachungaji, na
>> >> kuwajeruhi, nk. Amesisitiza kuwa Tanzania inaongozwa na mfumo Kristo.
>> >> Na
>> >> sasa umefika wakati mfumo huo uondolewe na hiyo ndiyo itakuwa pona ya
>> >> Waislamu. Serikali inaongozwa na maaskofu. Wao ndiyo wanaweza kumwambia
>> >> rais tunataka hiki au la. Amesisitiza kuwa amani tunayoiona TZ ipo kwa
>> >> gharama ya Waislamu. Umefika wakati Waislamu waseme basi kwa mfumo
>> >> Kristo
>> >> ili na Wakristo wabebe gharama ya amani hii. Ametoa takwimu kuwa mwaka
>> >> 1992
>> >> Serikali iliingia mkataba na Wakristo, na tangu hapo imekuwa ikitoa
>> >> fedha
>> >> za kuwaendeleza wao huko Waislamu wakibaki nyuma. Kwa mfano, mwaka
>> >> 2009,
>> >> serikali imetoa bilioni 45, mwaka 2010 bilioni 54, na mwaka huu kwa
>> >> miezi
>> >> miwili hii na siku imekwisha toa bilioni 611, zote hizi zikiwa ni
>> >> kuwaendeleza Wakristo. Wakati serikali ikifanya hayo yote, Waislamu
>> >> wameachwa nyuma na watoto wao wamezidi kuwa wamachinga huku watoto wa
>> >> Wakristo wakiendesha baiskeli za
>> >> > > kizungu na kufurahia beach. Amesema ifike mahali Waislamu waamue
>> >> > > kama
>> >> walivyofanya Wahutu dhidi ya Watutsi. Ati Kikwete hawezi kuongoza nchi
>> >> bila
>> >> maaskofu, maana kila analotaka kufanya lazima awaone. Amesema kuwa
>> >> Chama
>> >> cha kususa na maandamano kipo tu kwa ajili ya maslahi ya Wakristo.
>> >> Waislamu
>> >> wanadanganywa wakidhani hicho chama kipo kuwatetea WaTz kumbe kipo kwa
>> >> ajili ya Wakristo. Makafiri wanasaidiana wao kwa wao hivyo waislamu
>> >> waamke,
>> >> waungane hili kuuondoa m
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From: paul lawala <pasamila292000@gmail.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
Kazi ndiyo msingi wa maendeleo, ni kweli kuna wakati jamii inaweza
kufanya kazi kwa bidii lakini bado haiendelei
Hali kama hii ndio inaitwa ufukara, kwa hiyo kama kuna mtu au kuindi
linafanya kazi kwa bidii lakini haioni matunda ya kazi ndiyo ina haki
ya kulalamika
Nionavyo mimi kundi linalolalamikiwa limejitahidi kufanya kazi na
kutumia fursa zilizopo
Mjadala kama huu utakuwa na mwafaka tu kama makundi yote ya kijamii
yanajitambua, njia mojawapo ya kujitambua ni kupitia elimu
2012/9/23 Daud Rwebangila <drwebangila@gmail.com>:
> Mara nyingi wanaopiga kelele na kujifanya wanatetea dini zao , hata hayo
> maadili ya dini zenyewe hawayafuati.
> Acheni unafiki, jifunze kuvumiliana, tafute haki kwa haki na upate
> unachostahili.
> Kupiga kelele na kutukana pia ni ishara ya kupotoka kimaadili na hakika
> hakuna dini inayokubaliana na hili.
>
> 2012/9/23 Hildegarda Kiwasila <khildegarda@yahoo.co.uk>
>>
>> Ubariiwe, thanks. Inaelimisha. Ichape hii taarifa yako kwenye gazeti.
>>
>> Watu wanakosa Self-efficacy ya kuona wanaweza kufanya kitu kwa maendeleo
>> yao, kujituma sio tu kikazi na darasani-kujifanyia vyao wenyewe badala ya
>> kulaumu wengine.
>> Waafrika wakiwa ulaya wanafanyakazi ya kuosha vyombo, kudeki, kutembeza
>> barua, kuendesha taxi usiku mzima, anapika na kujioshea vyombo
>> mwenye-akirudi bongo hata sahani hawezi kuondoa mezani akapeleka jikoni na
>> kuleta mabadiliko katika familia na ukoo wake. Ukiwabebea bango wazembe
>> ndani ya familia-kuna kitu kibaya cha uafrika wetu wanaanza kukuona
>> 'mnoko'.Mnarudi nyuma. Nani anazua madrasa isiwe na shule ya chekechea au
>> msikiti/kanisa isiwe na shule ya mzingi, makao makuu ya dini yasiwe na
>> sendondari au university moja kwa nchi? Au-isijenge Referral Hospital kwa
>> mchango kutoka Oman au roma-England? Vile vyakula vya kulisha maelfu Iftah,
>> Krismas vingenunua madawati, vitabu, vitanda vingapi vya zahanati kwa
>> dhehebu hilo. Wala leo waenda chooni leu kukitoa lakini desk, kitabu,
>> kitanda cha wagonjwa hudumu miaka. Tujichungue matendo yetu. Gharama ya
>> matangazo ya 'Dume' na michezo yao na yale ya kisiasa ya maandamano nchi
>> nzima na na mapigano vi shule ngapi bora huko porini zingejengwa ukaongeza
>> sifa ya chama chako. Kuchangia shule ya kata iwe bora hatutoi ila ya kulisha
>> watu kisiasa posho watembee nukta moja zinatoka mamilioni. Huwa tunajihoji?
>> Why lawama kwa Rais daima?
>>
>> Bado huyo anayeoza kichanga apate mifugo alimbikize tu na anayehamia
>> misitu na mbuga za hifadhi kukata miti, anayechimba mchanga mpaka kung'oa
>> milingoti ya daraja, usimwambie-atakupiga panga. Akitoka hapo angalia
>> atafanya nini-kaongeza mke, pombe za misifa. Lakini huyo ana lawama kichizi
>> na jirani akijitahidi yeye ndio wakwanza kuiba na kuvuna. Hawezi kuiga kitu
>> hata ukimpa mfano hata ukimuwezesha. Ukifuatilia vikundi vilivyowezeshwa,
>> waliosomeshwa kwa kuhisaniwa waliowengi hawaoni ile nafasi kuwa ya pekee
>> wajitahidi waongoke. Hichi kidudu cha lawama tu, kutokujituma kama hao
>> wahiti Ulaya waliopelekwa na Muingereza walisaga lami, kuendesha train na
>> town buses, kufagia barabara etc sasa ni matajiri. Sisi ufisadi tu na
>> kusingizia viongozi na bado tutawapigia kura hao wa makabila yetu tuwaitao
>> mafisadi na kuwalaumu. Tutahusika na mikataba mibaya ya wawekezaji, kuchukua
>> leseni za madini maofisini kwetu kujipa wenyewe, kusafirisha visichana
>> badala ya kuvisomesha kuvipeleka Oman kuolewa na mizee kutafuta utajiri,
>> kutozipa shule na health services tuanzishazo au tupewazo ziwe katika top 5
>> au 10. Wanaohusika na elimu ya shule, vyuo na elimu jamii wanasoma pia
>> mitandao hii, tunahitaji mabadiliko ili tupate mental and cultural
>> revolution ya kutuwezesha kujituma kama wenzetu badala ya kutumia visingizio
>> vya kuonewa toka ulimwengu uanze.
>> Ahsante Mkinga. watanzania tubadilike.
>>
>>
>> From: Bart Mkinga <bmkinga@yahoo.com>
>> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2012, 9:29
>>
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>>
>> Umaskini ni jambo baya sana, ni mbaya zaidi kama umaskini ukampata
>> aliyekosa hekima. Maskini aliyekosa hekima siku zote hufikiria kuwa umaskini
>> wake umesababishwa na mtu mwingine, na mara nyingi hufikiria umesababishwa
>> na aliye na uafadhali (Nimekuwa maskini kwa sababu wewe ni tajiri). Umaskini
>> uliokosa hekima huondoa utashi wa kuchanganua na kuchambua matendo yako
>> binafsi yanayokufanya uwe maskini.
>>
>> Ni umaskini huu wa kukosa hekima, ndiyo maana hata baadhi ya viongozi wetu
>> wengi wanaamini watanzania tumekuwa maskini kwa sababu ya wageni; kwa sababu
>> ya wazungu na waarabu (ukoloni na utumwa au biashara isiyo na uwiano), IMF,
>> World Bank, n.k. Fikra hizi ndiyo zinashuka kutoka Taifani mpaka kwenye
>> makundi ya kijamii yaani makundi ya kiimani kama dini, kikabila, n.k. Baadhi
>> ya waislam wanaamini umaskini wao umesababishwa na wakristo, na baadhi ya
>> wakristo wanaamini kuwa utajiri wa baadhi ya waislam umesababishwa na
>> utawala wa Viongozi waislam (Ali Hassan Mwinyi na Kikwete), na kuna watu
>> wanaamini kuwa makabila fulani kama wachaga na Wahaya wamekuwa na maisha
>> bora zaidi kwa sababu ya makabila yao, n.k. Yote ukiyaweka pamoja ni matunda
>> ya kuamini kuwa umaskini au dhiki ni lazima viwe vimesababishwa na mtu
>> mwingine na wala siyo mazao ya matendo yako.
>>
>> Kama ni kutawaliwa, mbona mataifa karibu yote Duniani, wakati fulani
>> yalikuwa makoloni? Baadhi ya mataifa koloni mbona yamekuwa na maisha bora
>> kuliko wakoloni wao? Kama umaskini unasababishwa na dini ya kiongozi mkuu,
>> inawezekanaje leo hii katika baadhi ya Mataifa kama Uingereza kuna matajiri
>> wakubwa ambao siyo wakristo (waislam na Wahindi) licha ya kwamba uongozi wa
>> nchi hiyo miaka yote umeshikwa na wakristo tu tena katika ngazi zote? Leo
>> hii hata wakati wa machafuko, waarabu wanakimbilia ulaya, kwenye mataifa
>> ambayo yanaongozwa na wakristo, na wananchi wake wengi ni wakristo, mbona
>> hawaji huku kwetu ambako tuna jamii kubwa ya kiislam?
>>
>> Tujiulize mifano midogo, Chuo kile Kikuu cha Morogoro, walipewa Bakwata
>> bure, wanafunzi wanaoenda pale wanapata mikopo ya serikali kama vyuo vingine
>> - je maendeleo yake yapoje kikilinganishwa na vyuo kama Tumaini ambao
>> walianza bila ya kupewa hata jengo moja na serikali, na wanafunzi wake
>> wakiwa hawapati mikopo ya serikali?
>>
>> Ushauri wangu kwa watanzania, katika matatizo yetu, tunapofanya tathmini
>> tujiangalie wenyewe kwanza kabla ya kufikiria kuwa matatizo yetu
>> yanasababishwa na mtu mwingine. Mtu anapodai wakristo wanapendelewa, ni
>> lazima achanganue wanapendelewa katika nini. Kama ni hospitali na shule za
>> kanisa, wakristo, waislam na wasio na dini mkienda katika hospitali na shule
>> hizo mnapata huduma sawa, mnalipia sawa (tena kwa upande wa wakristo wakati
>> mwingine kuna michango makanisani ya kuzianzisha na kuzitegemeza taasisi
>> hizo). Kama kuna kitu ambacho mkristo anapata, zaidi nadhani ni moral
>> satisfaction (kusema hii ni shule au hospitali ya kanisa letu).
>>
>> Waislam wanaongelea mgawanyo wa nafasi za uongozi serikalini, lakini
>> tujiulize hizo nafasi zipo ngapi, na wakristo wapo wangapi kiasi cha
>> kuwafaidisha wakristo? Leo hii mawaziri wapo karibu 50, wakati watanzania
>> tupo karibu milioni 45. Hata kama nafasi hizo wangepewa zote waislam au
>> wakristo, je zitabadilisha tatizo la ajira kwa kundi fulani? Malalamiko ya
>> upendeleo wa uongozi yangekuwa na mantiki kama endapo mawaziri hao wa dini
>> fulani wanafanya kazi kwa manufaa ya dini yao. Na kwenye hili, kama kuna mtu
>> ana taarifa za dini fulani kupendelewa au kubaguliwa katika huduma fulani
>> kutokana na dini yake, basi taarifa ziwekwe wazi kuliko kuwa na maneno ya
>> jumla jumla ya kuokoteza (sweeping statements).
>>
>> Kwangu mimi kwenye maneno haya ya kuchochea mauaji ya kidini ni makosa ya
>> jinai, wahusika wanastahili kukamatwa na kuhukumiwa kwa kadiri ya sheria za
>> nchi, hilo lisipofanyika ni kutokana na ulegelege wa seriikali. Siamini kuwa
>> hao wanaojiita viongozi wa dini ya kiislam wanaochochea ubaguzi wanafanya
>> hivyo kuwawakilisha waislam wote. Tumesikia juzi kauli ya Mufti Mkuu kuhusu
>> Ponda, nae anataka serikali imchukulie hatua Ponda, naye haridhishwi na
>> serikali kuona Ponda analelewa. Kauli ya mfitini mmoja au wawili waislam
>> isichukuliwe ni kauli ya waislam wote.
>>
>> Na katika hili la serikali kushindwa kuchukua hatua lisichukuliwe kiujumla
>> kuwa halifanyiki kwa kuwa Rais au IGP ni muislam, bali ni udhaifu wa
>> kiutendaji wa hii serikali yetu. Hata katika masuala mengine yasiyohusiana
>> na dini kama EPA, Meremeta, Tangold, n.k. serikali yetu imechukua hatua
>> gani? Mimi nauona kuwa ni udhaifu wa serikali katika kuchukua maamuzi magumu
>> inapohitajika kuliko udini wa wenye mamlaka.
>>
>>
>> Bart
>>
>> From: Peter Lwegasira <petermakatu@yahoo.com>
>> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 7:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>>
>> Maskini Chamani sijui Walewale,
>>
>> Ondoa ujinga kwanza. Utakuponza.
>>
>> From: "matinyi@hotmail.com" <matinyi@hotmail.com>
>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com; "wanabidii@googlegroups.com"
>> <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 8:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>>
>> Jamani acheni kutukanana. Sisi wote ni maskini wa kutupwa ndani ya
>> Tanzania. Tuijenge nchi yetu. Umaskini ama ujinga dawa yake ni kuung'oa na
>> siyo kugombana wenyewe.
>> Matinyi.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "amour chamani" <abachamani@yahoo.com>
>> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>> Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:49 pm
>>
>>
>> Ngupala,
>> Hebu jenga hoja ya maana wacha kutukana haitawasaidia hata kidogo.Dawa ya
>> haya mambo ni kuacha dhulma mliyoifanya kwa miaka yote tangu na baada ya
>> uhuru.Hiyo mifano ya Sadam na Gadaf inahusiana vipi na hili la hapa?
>> Wakati mwingine huwa nashindwa kuelewa hiyo dogma yenu ya kanisani kwa
>> nini mnaitumia katika maisha yenu ya kila siku.
>> Kama unajua mifano sema kanisa lilichokifanya Rwanda au ndicho mnacho taka
>> kutufanyia sisi?
>> Hayo hamuwezi kwani sisi mbali ya huo ujinga na wingi wetu kama wa kuku
>> HATUNA CHA KUPOTEZA.
>> TUKO CHALI HATUOGOPI KUANGUKA.
>> Ole wenu ninyi mafisadi,watawala,wasomi(educated fools) nk.
>> Hii nchi ni yetu wote acheni kiburi cha mfumo kristo.
>>
>>
>>
>> Walewale.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:02 PM
>> Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>>
>>
>>
>> Ndugu Muhingo,naafikiana nawe mia kwa mia. Hawa jamaa ni lazima waelewe
>> kuwa hakuna njia ya mkato.Kama wanaöa wanaonewa,wajifunge mkanda,wajipange
>> kupitia njia ile ile wenzao wamepitia.Martin Luther king aliwaambia
>> wamerekani weusi,kama mkitaka kujikomboa,basi mwenye uwezo wa kuimba na
>> aimbe,na mwenye uwezo wa kupigana,na apigane na mwenye kusoma na asome.Ndio
>> matunda yake leo hii hata wanaonekana na kushika nafasi za juu serikani. Mtu
>> anayedhani anaweza fanya lolote kwa vita au vurugu,cha muhimu ajiulize
>> atakimbilia wapi asipopatikana? Zanzibar walipokuwa na vurugu walikimbilia
>> Uk.Mbona hawakwenda Bubai? Elimu ya mjinga ni majungu na dawa ya mpumbavu ni
>> upumbavu.Kupanga ni kuchagua.Lakini na ikumbukwe kila amwagae damu,naye damu
>> yake huyo itamwagwa. Wako wapi akina Osama,Saddamu na Gadaffi?.Tunajua
>> wanajifunza judo misikitini,pia kutengeneza mabomu ya petrol nk.Lakini
>> hawatafanikiwa....Ngupula
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:09 AM EEST ELISA MUHINGO wrote:
>>
>> >Wewe unaamini kuwa Serikali inatoa mabilioni hayo kuimarisha ukristo? Ipo
>> > Serikali ya Namna hiyo?
>> >Kama serikali itatoa fedha kwa hospitali za missioni kwa sababu zinatoa
>> > huduma wala si biashara huko ni kuimarisha ukristo? Kuna hospitali yoyote
>> > inayotoa huduma kama hizo inayonyimwa ruzuku kwa sababu siyo ya kikriso?
>> > Kwanza hospitali hizo zinaendeshwa na makanisa tu lakini ni za wagonjwa bila
>> > kujali ni wa imani gani. Tunaziona za Agakhan. ni commecial/bussiness as
>> > usual.. Ni hospitali za wagonjwa tatajili. Mvumi ya Dodoma au Kilimatinde ni
>> > za wagonjwa wote. ndiyo maana serikali huzipa ruzuku.
>> >
>> >Tusiwe wapumbavu kama ndugu zetu hawa ila tujaribu kuona namna gani
>> > tutakwenda nao. Wanakoelekea wanaweza kuleta sokomoko. Kama wakikubaliana
>> > kuwa uislamu ni kuua na kuuawa itakuwa balaa kwa sababu ipo siku watalaumu
>> > kuwa jua halijawaka sana kwenye maeneo yao
>> >
>> >--- On Fri, 9/21/12, Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >From: Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>
>> >Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>> >To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >Date: Friday, September 21, 2012, 11:18 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Basi kama yanayosemwa ni kweli,nani anayepaswa kuwajibishwa hapa?mtoaji
>> > au mpokeaji?Nani tulimpa dhamana ya kulinda rasmali zetu?....ccm ndio
>> > iliyoshika dola,si waache tu kutoa?
>> >
>> >Long time ago nilikuwa nafikiri ni baadhi tu ya watu fulani wasio na
>> > uelewa mzuri ndio wanaoendekeza hizi chuki zisizo na ukweli wowote.Now am
>> > almost convinced that some religion beliefs are like cancer.They eat every
>> > one regardless of his understand. Regards,Godfrey Ngupula
>> >
>> >------------------------------
>> >On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 07:34 EEST MikiDadi Waziri wrote:
>> >
>> >>Bwana Mbegu
>> >>Hayo yanayosemwa yote ni yakweli, Ndio maana hakuna mtu yeyote mwenye
>> >>kukanusha..
>> >>On Sep 21, 2012 8:52 PM, "Edgar Mbegu" <embegu@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Nape yuko wapi kujibu shutuma? Serikali ya CCM inaongozwa na Maaskofu;
>> >> Serikali ya CCM inawapendelea Wakristo kwa kuwapa mabilioni... Serikali
>> >> haifai hii kumbe!
>> >> Kamati ya Ulinzi na Usalama wapo? Hawa watu si wanatangaza vita kama
>> >> ile
>> >> ya Rwanda? IGP yupo? Hawa watu si wanapanga kuvuruga maandamano ya
>> >> CHADEMA
>> >> kwa kutangaza kutoka kupambana nao? Hao watu walipewa kibali cha
>> >> kufanya
>> >> mkutano wa kidini au wa kisiasa au wa uchochezi?
>> >>
>> >> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:31:38 +0300
>> >> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU
>> >> > ARUSHA
>> >> > From: mngonge@gmail.com
>> >> > To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >> >
>> >> > Inteligensia ilikuwepo na ipo, tatizo mitambo yao iko insensitive na
>> >> > mambo kama hayo na hivyo hayasomeki vizuri kwenye mitambo yao. Wala
>> >> > hawana sababu ya kurekebisha mitambo kwa vile yaliyo ya msingi kwao
>> >> > yanasomeka. Nafikiri yanayosomeka kwao mwayajua
>> >> >
>> >> > 2012/9/21 Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > frmapunda,si wewe tu unayeumia.Wakristo wengi wanaumia sana kwa
>> >> > > vituko
>> >> vya waislamu na ukimya wa serikali.Kwa mtazamo wangu kwa hali hii naona
>> >> ni
>> >> hatari sana kwa Tanzania kuongozwa na raisi muislam kwani hawa jamaa
>> >> kama
>> >> ambavyo hawaamiki kumiliki hata bunduki kwa jamii ya
>> >> kimataifa,hawaamiki
>> >> hata kidogo kushika dhamana ya juu ya uongozi kama raisi.Tumeona hivyo
>> >> kipindi cha Mwinyi na sasa Jk pia. Kuishi na jamii ya watu hawa inahidi
>> >> umakini na ukali wa hali juu na sio kuwachekeachekea tu.Wakristo
>> >> wanapoamua
>> >> kuzaa na kuoa kwa mpango ili kutoa malezi bora kwa watoto wao,wao
>> >> wamepanga
>> >> kuzaliana kwa ustaarabu wa kuku,hao wakristo wakipanda hizo
>> >> baiskeli,wao
>> >> kinawauma nini? Mimi binafsi ninawashauri sana,wabadikike kama
>> >> ulimwengu
>> >> ulivyobadilika,wapange uzazi wa mpango na watafute maisha bora kwa
>> >> watoto
>> >> wao,waache majungu.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Fr,huku mwanza kuna radio kwa neema,imewafungua watu kuhusu haya
>> >> yanayotokea na kanda ya ziwa we are very aware. Jamii ya kikristo iko
>> >> makini sana na ina mipango madhubuti sana ktk chaguzi zijazo.maombi pia
>> >> yanaendelea na umakini wa hali ya juu unachukuliwa.Hakika,wanazaa
>> >> watoto
>> >> kama kuku kwa lengo la kuijaza tz wjtafanikiwa lak4ni ni ktk magereza
>> >> na
>> >> magereji.Maisha bora kwa mtanzania yataletwa na mtazania mwenyewe.
>> >> Wahutu
>> >> waliwaua watusti,leo hali ikoje huko burundi?anayetawala ni nani?wahutu
>> >> au
>> >> watusti?.vipaji akili na hekima ni tunda la kumcha Mungu wa kweli.Mungu
>> >> wa
>> >> vurugu hakika yake,hatafanikiwa Tanzania.Regards,Godfrey Ngupula
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ------------------------------
>> >> > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:40 PM EEST frmapunda91@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >On Monday, March 28, 2011 6:21:21 AM UTC-7, Henry Kaisi wrote:
>> >> > > Wakati habari juu ya babu huko Loliondo zinapumzika kidogo, naomba
>> >> niwape na haya niliyoyasikia kwa masikio yangu kutoka redio Imani. Hii
>> >> ni
>> >> redio ya Waislamu ambayo inatangaza kutokea mkoa wa Morogoro. Sijui
>> >> kama
>> >> husikika nchi nzima au la. Hapa kwetu Arusha kulikuwa na kongamano
>> >> kubwa la
>> >> Waislamu wa madhehebu yote, jana Jpili na lilianza tangu asubuhi hadi
>> >> jioni. Walikuwepo watoa mada mbalimbali, lakini mimi nilifanikiwa
>> >> kumsikia
>> >> mmoja, pamoja na immamu wa mkoa aliyetoa maazimio ya kongamano.Bila
>> >> shaka
>> >> magazeti yataripoti vizuri. Nimesukumwa kuandika tena kwa urefu kwani
>> >> nilisikitika sana kusikia maneno ambayo sikuwahi kuyasikia tangu
>> >> nizaliwe
>> >> yakiongelewa hadharani ndani ya nchi yangu. Nakumbuka nilisoma maazimio
>> >> ya
>> >> Mwanza, lakini hii imenistua sana. Kama tunamwomba Mungu basi tuongeze
>> >> nguvu, kama hatuombi basi tuanze. Kwa mtindo huu, ninawasiwasi na amani
>> >> ya
>> >> Tanzania ambayo tumejivunia miaka hamsini sasa. Mliopata neema ya
>> >> kupata
>> >> nafasi za juu
>> >> > > serikalini, sijui serikali inayaonaje mambo haya. Hayajaanza leo,
>> >> > > ila
>> >> imeyaachia yaendelee. Makanisa yanazidi kuchomwa, hakuna msikiti
>> >> uliwahi
>> >> kuchomwa kama sijakosea. Wakristo wanavamiwa na kupigwa, hakuna
>> >> mhadhara wa
>> >> Waislamu uliwahi kuvamiwa. Redio Imani na magazeti ya Kiislamu (mfano
>> >> Al-alnuur) yanazidi kumwaga sumu ya udini, na ubaguzi, na chuki, lakini
>> >> sijawahi kusikia vyombo hivi vikikemewa. Huu, ukimya wa serikali na
>> >> vyombo
>> >> vyake, sijui maana yake ni nini? Sumu hii ikiishapandwa kuing'oa ni
>> >> kazi.
>> >> Jamaa hawa walifanya mambo yao sirini tangu enzi za Mwinyi, na sasa,
>> >> wameamua kuyaweka wazi na kuhamasisha Watanzania waziwazi tuuane.
>> >> Haiingii
>> >> akilini mwangu. Je, viongozi wetu wa dini wanazo taaarifa za kutosha
>> >> kuhusu
>> >> mambo haya? Wanachukua hatua gani? Je, sisi tuchukue hatua gani? Shehe
>> >> Ilunga Hassan ndiye niliyeweza kumsikia. Ameongea mambo mengi, lakini
>> >> yote
>> >> ni ya kupandikiza chuki ndani ya Watanzania. Ameanza kwa kutoa pongezi
>> >> kwa
>> >> kile Waislamu
>> >> > > walichokifanya huko Mto wa mbu (Arusha) kwa kuwapiga wachungaji, na
>> >> kuwajeruhi, nk. Amesisitiza kuwa Tanzania inaongozwa na mfumo Kristo.
>> >> Na
>> >> sasa umefika wakati mfumo huo uondolewe na hiyo ndiyo itakuwa pona ya
>> >> Waislamu. Serikali inaongozwa na maaskofu. Wao ndiyo wanaweza kumwambia
>> >> rais tunataka hiki au la. Amesisitiza kuwa amani tunayoiona TZ ipo kwa
>> >> gharama ya Waislamu. Umefika wakati Waislamu waseme basi kwa mfumo
>> >> Kristo
>> >> ili na Wakristo wabebe gharama ya amani hii. Ametoa takwimu kuwa mwaka
>> >> 1992
>> >> Serikali iliingia mkataba na Wakristo, na tangu hapo imekuwa ikitoa
>> >> fedha
>> >> za kuwaendeleza wao huko Waislamu wakibaki nyuma. Kwa mfano, mwaka
>> >> 2009,
>> >> serikali imetoa bilioni 45, mwaka 2010 bilioni 54, na mwaka huu kwa
>> >> miezi
>> >> miwili hii na siku imekwisha toa bilioni 611, zote hizi zikiwa ni
>> >> kuwaendeleza Wakristo. Wakati serikali ikifanya hayo yote, Waislamu
>> >> wameachwa nyuma na watoto wao wamezidi kuwa wamachinga huku watoto wa
>> >> Wakristo wakiendesha baiskeli za
>> >> > > kizungu na kufurahia beach. Amesema ifike mahali Waislamu waamue
>> >> > > kama
>> >> walivyofanya Wahutu dhidi ya Watutsi. Ati Kikwete hawezi kuongoza nchi
>> >> bila
>> >> maaskofu, maana kila analotaka kufanya lazima awaone. Amesema kuwa
>> >> Chama
>> >> cha kususa na maandamano kipo tu kwa ajili ya maslahi ya Wakristo.
>> >> Waislamu
>> >> wanadanganywa wakidhani hicho chama kipo kuwatetea WaTz kumbe kipo kwa
>> >> ajili ya Wakristo. Makafiri wanasaidiana wao kwa wao hivyo waislamu
>> >> waamke,
>> >> waungane hili kuuondoa m
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