Thursday 2 August 2012

[wanabidii] Re: [PK] +++ Why the Resurrection of Jesus is Unbelievable!

Here are even more extraordinary claims:

Raising the Dead: New Species of Life Resurrected from Ancient Andean Tomb

Ecuadorian scientists have revived a new species of yeast from pre-Incan tomb, illuminating prehistoric life

-----------------------------Under the sterile conditions of his laboratory, he scratched away the surface layers from inside the fermentation vessels hoping to collect yeast trapped deep in the pottery's pores. Using a special method that he devised to humidify the desiccated cells, repair their damaged membranes, and jump-start their arrested metabolisms, he coaxed a community of yeasts, which had lain dormant in the entombed vessels since A.D. 680, back to life. Carvajal says he resurrected "a consortium of yeasts" from the containers, but none of the yeasts were  Saccharomyces cerevisiae—the type used in modern fermentation. They were primarily strains of the genus Candida, closely related to the well-known yeast that causes skin and vaginal infections. But careful genetic analysis showed that two strains of yeast were a new species of Candida, which he named C. theae, meaning "tea."----------------------

(http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=new-species-resurrected-ancient-andean-tomb)


Ice Age flower revival that could lead to resurrection of mammoth

An entire flower from the Ice Age has been resurrected by Russian scientists in a pioneering experiment that could pave the way for the revival of other species including the mammoth.

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They say the Silene stenophylla is the oldest plant ever to be regenerated and is fertile, producing white flowers and viable seeds.

The raw material for the project was fruit tissues from an Ice Age squirrel's chamber, a burrow containing fruit and seeds that had been stuck in the Siberian permafrost for over 30,000 years.---------------------

(http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9094716/Ice-Age-flower-revival-that-could-lead-to-resurrection-of-mammoth.html)

Science does not contradict the Resurrection of Christ

18 06 2011

I have often heard people claim  the resurrection of Jesus contradicts science and thus must be wrong.  Yet this argument is seriously misguided, as it depends on a faulty understanding of both science and Christianity.----------------------------------If you want science to pass judgment on the Resurrection, you need some type of scientific analysis to determine whether or not this miracle occurred.  Try it is this way.  If science is going to address a claim, science must be able to formulate that claim as a testable hypothesis.  So what is it?  If Jesus did indeed rise from the dead, what do you predict that we should be able to find in the lab or in the field?  Or fill in the blank.  If Jesus rose from the dead, then we should be able to detect ___________.

Unless someone can answer this question and fill in that blank, any attempt to argue that science contradicts the Resurrection fails.

No testable hypothesis – no science.
No science – no scientific judgment.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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(http://shadowtolight.wordpress.com/2011/06/18/science-does-not-contradict-the-resurrection-of-christ/)



On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 10:05 AM, The Atheist <hmumia@gmail.com> wrote:

 Folks,

You have heard of the saying - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And yet when some of you are told that Jesus died for three days and rose from the dead, you find it true, something to celebrate all your life, and you believe without questioning. You are told to have faith, simply trust and believe, and you will be good to go. But let me challenge you a bit, let us look at some basic rationale about being told stuff and merely believing. Please, let us reason together.

This should really be simple, folks. 

Imagine I told you I own a bed. You wouldn't need much evidence to believe me, because you know people like me usually own a bed.

What if I told you I won the lottery? People win the lottery all the time, but it's pretty rare in the population in general, so you'd need a bit more evidence to believe me.

But what if I told you I own a nuclear missile? You know people like me don't own nuclear missiles. You would need some really good evidence to believe that I own a nuclear missile.

And what if I told you I owned an inter-stellar spacecraft capable of traveling to another star? Not only do you know that people like me don't own such spacecrafts, but also you have good reason to believe nobody owns an inter-stellar spacecraft. If some government had spent $100 billion to design and build such a thing, you're pretty sure you would have heard about it through the media. You would need truly extraordinary evidence to believe I owned such a spacecraft.

But inter-stellar spacecrafts are, at least, possible. These spacecrafts are known to travel at 10% the speed of light, and could arrive at the nearest star in 40 years. There are proposed models of how one could be built in the US, though at the moment they are beyond our technological abilities.

Now, imagine I told you my friend had been stone cold dead for three days and then came back to life.

Would you believe me?

Hell NO!

My claim that my friend came back from the dead after three days would be even more extraordinary than my insane, ridiculous claim about owning an inter-stellar spacecraft. You would need even more evidence to believe that my dead friend came back to life.

But our evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, like most ancient literary evidence, is pretty bad. In fact, there is no evidence, other than the SCRIPT of the Bible. It's not even the kind of evidence we would need to justify the claim that somebody owned an spacecraft, let alone the evidence we would need to believe that somebody broke all the rules of biology and came back from the dead after three days.

That's why the resurrection of Jesus is unbelievable.

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