Which church, Catholic? One that is a leader in scandals, from The Vatican down to the village church!!! LKK
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Lauren,
You've made me think twice about your allegiance to the church.
BalileSent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on the Tigo Tanzania NetworkFrom: Laurean Rugambwa <rugambwa@hotmail.com>Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.comDate: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 14:43:37 +0300ReplyTo: wanabidii@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?DeoWe will argue and debate till tomorrow, as i said before this debate about when do life start has to do with one's belief,faith,religion and most importantly values. You know me better, but issues about human rights,defending rights of groups, i stand up by them, no wonder, am thinking of a woman gang raped, or raped by one person is forced to keep the fetus as you called it just because it is a sin to undergo abortion.Mzee piga ua Hapo Mimi na Wewe tukubaliane kutokubalina!I am a catholic but I don't agree with my church on their stand on issues such as condoms, abortion,but does that make me a bad catholic? It is debatable! It is depends with whom you talk to.
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--- On Fri, 8/24/12, Laurean Rugambwa <rugambwa@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Laurean Rugambwa <rugambwa@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Friday, August 24, 2012, 12:45 AM
Deo
When it is about rape, thats my reference point
From LRB
On 24 Ago 2012, at 10:38, deobalile@yahoo.com wrote:
> Lauren I'm afraid you did not consider the fetus belongs to whom, whether a woman can dare to have one without men's assistance.
>
> Balile
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on the Tigo Tanzania Network
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laurean Rugambwa <rugambwa@hotmail.com>
> Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 10:31:21
> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
> Reply-To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> Cc: wanabidii@googlegroups.com<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Is Rape A Good Excuse For Abortion?
>
> Courage
> You wont get the answer you need as each person will have his or her responses according to values and/or morals they attach to it. You know very well that Issue of abortion is a complicated one, people use religion and faith to make their case! Having said that, i encourage the fact that we should debate it. Who knows what one might learn from this, especially men.
>
> Personally,I think that choice should be left to the woman, their body their choice! That should a answer the question: when does life start?
> Have a good day!
> From LRB
>
>
> On 24 Ago 2012, at 9:16, "Maurice Oduor" <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rehema,
>>
>> Hivi nikuelewe kwamba you don't support abortion? You are anti-choice?
>>
>> Please hebu tuelezee sababu zako. No one ever uses abortion as birth
>> control. I think walio wengi wanaofanya abortion do it because of
>> rape, illness or some traumatic experience.
>>
>> Courage
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/12, Rehema Kikwete <rehemaki@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On what principle do you base this 'moral right' declaration?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you also think that same woman has the 'moral right' to kill an
>>> inconvenient one month-old baby, since it is her baby and no one else's?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Maurice Oduor
>>> <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pauline,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you completely, and without any reservation. A woman has
>>>> the right to have or not have an abortion no matter how the pregnancy
>>>> came along.
>>>>
>>>> Courage
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/23/12, Pauline Mengi <paulinemengi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Abortion is the moral right of a woman, rape or no rape
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Evans MACHERA
>>>>> <evansmachera@yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *We need to understand;-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.What rape is and what a woman undergoes during and after the beastly
>>>>>> act.
>>>>>> 2.What is abortion and who is suited to make the decision of a
>>>>>> abortion
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> not - in either position,should the woman be forced!
>>>>>> 3.Women are likely not to speak,but watch with horror the view the men
>>>>>> folk will spit out!
>>>>>> 4.Can incest be classified under rape!
>>>>>> 5.Can abortion be a form of treatment!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here below is a statement/guideline by the S.D.A Church in a situation
>>>>>> that calls on the abortion subject.
>>>>>> Guidelines on Abortion
>>>>>> Many contemporary societies have faced conflict over the morality of
>>>>>> abortion.* Such conflict also has affected large numbers within
>>>>>> Christianity who want to accept responsibility for the protection of
>>>>>> prenatal human life while also preserving the personal liberty of
>>>>>> women.
>>>>>> The need for guidelines has become evident, as the Church attempts to
>>>>>> follow scripture, and to provide moral guidance while respecting
>>>>>> individual
>>>>>> conscience. Seventh-day Adventists want to relate to the question of
>>>>>> abortion in ways that reveal faith in God as the Creator and Sustainer
>>>> of
>>>>>> all life and in ways that reflect Christian responsibility and
>>>>>> freedom.
>>>>>> Though honest differences on the question of abortion exist among
>>>>>> Seventh-day Adventists, the following represents an attempt to provide
>>>>>> guidelines on a number of principles and issues. The guidelines are
>>>> based
>>>>>> on broad biblical principles that are presented for study at the end
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> document.**
>>>>>> 1) Prenatal human life is a magnificent gift of God. God's ideal for
>>>>>> human
>>>>>> beings affirms the sanctity of human life, in God's image, and
>>>>>> requires
>>>>>> respect for prenatal life. However, decisions about life must be made
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the context of a fallen world. Abortion is never an action of little
>>>>>> moral
>>>>>> consequence. Thus prenatal life must not be thoughtlessly destroyed.
>>>>>> Abortion should be performed only for the most serious reasons.
>>>>>> 2) Abortion is one of the tragic dilemmas of human fallenness. The
>>>> Church
>>>>>> should offer gracious support to those who personally face the
>>>>>> decision
>>>>>> concerning an abortion. Attitudes of condemnation are inappropriate in
>>>>>> those who have accepted the gospel. Christians are commissioned to
>>>> become
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> loving, caring community of faith that assists those in crisis as
>>>>>> alternatives are considered.
>>>>>> 3) In practical, tangible ways the Church as a supportive community
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> express its commitment to the value of human life. These ways should
>>>>>> include:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a. strengthening family relationships
>>>>>> b. educating both genders concerning Christian principles of human
>>>>>> sexuality
>>>>>> c. emphasizing responsibility of both male and female for family
>>>> planning
>>>>>> d. calling both to be responsible for the consequences of behaviors
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> are inconsistent with Christian principles
>>>>>> e. creating a safe climate for ongoing discussion of the moral
>>>>>> questions
>>>>>> associated with abortion
>>>>>> f. offering support and assistance to women who choose to complete
>>>> crisis
>>>>>> pregnancies
>>>>>> g. encouraging and assisting fathers to participate responsibly in the
>>>>>> parenting of their children.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Church also should commit itself to assist in alleviating the
>>>>>> unfortunate social, economic, and psychological factors that add to
>>>>>> abortion and to care redemptively for those suffering the consequences
>>>> of
>>>>>> individual decisions on this issue.
>>>>>> 4) The Church does not serve as conscience for individuals; however,
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> should provide moral guidance. Abortions for reasons of birth control,
>>>>>> gender selection, or convenience are not condoned by the Church.
>>>>>> Women,
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> times however, may face exceptional circumstances that present serious
>>>>>> moral or medical dilemmas, such as significant threats to the pregnant
>>>>>> woman's life, serious jeopardy to her health, severe congenital
>>>>>> defects
>>>>>> carefully diagnosed in the fetus, and pregnancy resulting from rape or
>>>>>> incest. The final decision whether to terminate the pregnancy or not
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be made by the pregnant woman after appropriate consultation. She
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> aided in her decision by accurate information, biblical principles,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> guidance of the H
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