How many Luos want to be leaders?. I see in kikuyu land Kenyatta ruled Kenya for 15 years and now his son has already been promised 20 years . Guys please wake up and give critics where criticism is really needed.
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> On 28.12.2013, at 13.53, "Nelson Oreje" <nelsonoreje@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Okil, don't coil your tail, or rather, try to apply some defense mechanism. Isn't it you who once vied for an elective psn with an ODM ticket? Were u a stone thrower by then?
> Only the paranoid survive
>
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> From: Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com>
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> Subject: Re: [PK] Re: [uchunguzionline] Nyanza leaders meet Raila over Kidero's big-money harambees
>
> Nelson,
> Place me wherever you will!!!
>
>> On 12/28/13, Nelson Oreje <nelsonoreje@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Okil, are u among the stone throwers?
>> Only the paranoid survive
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com>
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>> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2013 14:04:41
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>> Subject: Re: [PK] Re: [uchunguzionline] Nyanza leaders meet Raila over
>> Kidero's big-money harambees
>>
>> KM,
>> What did you expect???!!! These are the Raila "ghasia" genuinely
>> worried about themselves and their "ghasia leader"! Kidero is a real
>> threat to them, and their "leader" because he is trying to wake the
>> Luo up to the reality that there is more to leadership than just stone
>> throwing!!!
>> Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>>
>>> On 12/28/13, okello emmanuel <oldiya@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I do not think it possible to stifle the growth of any leader, no matter
>>> how
>>> much effort is expended in the process.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Jerry Edwards <jmcgwena@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> To: "uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com" <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>;
>>> progressive-kenyans <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
>>> Cc: Africa-Oped <africa-oped@yahoogroups.com>; Kiswahili
>>> <Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 December 2013, 13:12
>>> Subject: Re: [PK] Re: [uchunguzionline] Nyanza leaders meet Raila over
>>> Kidero's big-money harambees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Poverty is a complex phenomenon that is caused by a range of factors
>>> which
>>> work together and result in inadequate resources. If the labour market
>>> does
>>> not provide enough jobs that match the skills and qualifications of
>>> the
>>> unemployed people, coming out of poverty would be difficult indeed. I am
>>> not against Harambee per se, but raising funds aimed at projects not
>>> befitting devepment of job creation initiatives should be a thing of the
>>> past. Leaders need to think differently.
>>>
>>> On Luo leaders, this is yet again another issue of paranoia. The
>>> proclaimed
>>> power house in Luo Nyanza must give room for others to grow. Stifling
>>> propgress of would be leaders is retrogessive. It is because of such
>>> paranoia that brains like Ochuocho's is building other Nations rather
>>> than
>>> his own.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 28 December 2013, 8:06, okello emmanuel <oldiya@yahoo.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I would certainly think money is welcome, whatever the source if it is
>>> used
>>> properly, but I would be quick to disabuse Kidero of the notion that
>>> money
>>> ends poverty, poverty is in most instances a mental condition which can
>>> only
>>> be treated by education and exposure.
>>>
>>> Bring it on, Mr. President.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com>
>>> To: progressive-kenyans <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
>>> Cc: uchunguzi online <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>; Africa-Oped
>>> <africa-oped@yahoogroups.com>; Kiswahili <Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, 28 December 2013, 7:03
>>> Subject: Re: [PK] Re: [uchunguzionline] Nyanza leaders meet Raila over
>>> Kidero's big-money harambees
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Retrogressive minds! You are even worse because you would not do the same
>>> for Tiriki!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 11:01 PM, khaguli maurice <mkhaguli@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> KM,
>>>> Kalaha(pole, pole) brother, but ni ngooooo!
>>>> We stand to emphasize the truth, truth is one!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, December 27, 2013 10:54 PM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With supporters such Khaguli, Rao does not need enemies!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM, khaguli maurice <mkhaguli@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> There's nothing like "pain" in cord/Odm. the truth is Uhuru is
>>>>> destroying
>>>>> the country. He managed to destroy Ruto's chances and he believes if he
>>>>> focus on Kidero, RAO will be done. Good luck guys!!
>>>>>> We stand to emphasize the truth, truth is one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, December 27, 2013 7:07 PM, margaret gichuki
>>>>>> <wams2006@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kidero is becoming such a pain in ''CORD/ODM.'' and needs to be
>>>>>> displined
>>>>>> ASAP!
>>>>>>> Dalmas went to Juba this week with kina Amina M.
>>>>>>> Last week Dalmas made some uncalled for remarks about Ruto/UK and the
>>>>>>> Hague nini.
>>>>>>> Ruto was the chief guest at the migori function.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Habari ndio hiyo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jameni what is wrong with these leaders or rather what wrong has
>>>>>>>> Kidero
>>>>>>>> and dalmas done? So if you contribute more than Raila then you
>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>> an enemy? I thought they would be happy with the money flowing in
>>>>>>>> Nyanza but may be the anger is because Ruto and Uhuru are sending
>>>>>>>> donations and so overshadowing Raila. I call the talk from akina
>>>>>>>> Kajuang ujinga.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They remind me of those Kikuyus who hated JM Kariuki because he was
>>>>>>>> becoming very popular for giving large donations and was accused og
>>>>>>>> undermining Kenyatta. Kenyatta gave Ksh 10K and everyone had to give
>>>>>>>> less than that. Now Kidero is being asked to give peanuts if he
>>>>>>>> wants
>>>>>>>> to be in good books. Ghasia!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nyanza leaders meet Raila over Kidero's big-money harambees
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- By ISAAC ONGIRI
>>>>>>>> More by this Author
>>>>>>>> A storm is brewing in the Nyanza region over big money fund-raising
>>>>>>>> events presided over by Nairobi governor Evans Kidero and Rongo MP
>>>>>>>> Dalmas Otieno.
>>>>>>>> A meeting at former Prime Minister Raila Odinga's Bondo home on
>>>>>>>> Monday
>>>>>>>> discussed the impact of the fund-raisings after Homa Bay Senator
>>>>>>>> Otieno Kajwang complained that the events were aimed at dividing the
>>>>>>>> Luo community.
>>>>>>>> The Bondo meeting attended by more than 35 MPs, including local
>>>>>>>> senators, was called by Mr Odinga to brainstorm on regional
>>>>>>>> leadership.
>>>>>>>> Mr Kidero, whose activities in Nyanza have intensified over the past
>>>>>>>> few months, has been a major concern to local leaders allied to the
>>>>>>>> former PM over suspicions he is attempting to take over the
>>>>>>>> territory
>>>>>>>> dominated by the Odingas since independence.
>>>>>>>> Last month, the Nairobi governor presided over a fund-raising in aid
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Tom Mboya Secondary School in Awendo, which raised Sh15 million,
>>>>>>>> including Sh2 million from President Uhuru Kenyatta and Sh500,000
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> Deputy President William Ruto.
>>>>>>>> This month, Dr Kidero presided over yet another event at Asumbi
>>>>>>>> Catholic Church, which collected Sh11 million.
>>>>>>>> And last weekend, Rongo MP Dalmas Otieno hosted another fund-raising
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> aid of Kamagambo Adventist Church, Ranen, which mobilised Sh6.4
>>>>>>>> million including Sh1 million each from the President and his
>>>>>>>> deputy.
>>>>>>>> Mr Ruto was present at the event, which has seen Mr Otieno castigated
>>>>>>>> by his colleagues for saying Mr Ruto is being sacrificed at the
>>>>>>>> International Criminal Court because of his strong struggle to bring
>>>>>>>> power to the people of the region in the 2007 elections.
>>>>>>>> Mr Kidero on Friday told the Saturday Nation that his activities in
>>>>>>>> Nyanza have no political ends, but are driven desire to end the
>>>>>>>> widespread poverty while at the same time resu citing the once
>>>>>>>> academic giant.
>>>>>>>> "I want our people to understand that I am not doing this to compete
>>>>>>>> with Mr Odinga. He is the leader of the Luo, something I have
>>>>>>>> accepted
>>>>>>>> while I am the governor of Nairobi – somewhere below his rank. We
>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>> raise funds to build schools and take our children to school," he
>>>>>>>> told
>>>>>>>> the Saturday Nation.
>>>>>>>> Dr Kidero's monthly Nyanza tours are expected to continue in the new
>>>>>>>> year with a major fund-raising for youth groups in Kisumu expected
>>>>>>>> next month, another fund-raising in March in Muhoroni to support
>>>>>>>> women
>>>>>>>> groups and one in Suba in aid of St Gabriel's Gwassi Girls Secondary
>>>>>>>> School is scheduled for May.
>>>>>>>> "I am not just doing this in Nyanza. The other day I was in Tetu
>>>>>>>> raising funds for a local school. This is because government funds
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> never be enough for everything," he stated.
>>>>>>>> Suba MP Mr John Mbadi, who attended the meeting at Mr Odinga's home,
>>>>>>>> said that though concerns were raised about the massive donations,
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> particular individual was discussed.
>>>>>>>> "Yes it is true the issue about harambees was raised but it was not
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the agenda. There are concerns that some individuals want to use
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> fundraisings to gain political support in the region," Mr Mbadi
>>>>>>>> said.
>>>>>>>> He explained: "There was a feeling that these harambees were used by
>>>>>>>> President Daniel Moi to hoodwink Kenyans that development could be
>>>>>>>> achieved through them while public money was looted and diverted to
>>>>>>>> private activities," the Suba MP said.
>>>>>>>> Mbita MP Millie Odhiambo, who was also in Bondo, said the leaders
>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>> only worried about the source of money being donated in harambees.
>>>>>>>> "There was concern about where this people are getting their money
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> because we know their salaries cannot fund such multi-million
>>>>>>>> projects," she said.
>>>>>>>> Mr Otieno criticised Nyanza leaders for their stand on Harambees,
>>>>>>>> arguing that the region's skyrocketing poverty could escalate to
>>>>>>>> unimaginable level if a caveat on such events was imposed as
>>>>>>>> suggested
>>>>>>>> by some local leaders.
>>>>>>>> "The truth is that Nyanza is poor. We must be able to raise funds for
>>>>>>>> churches to be built and our children to go to school. It will be
>>>>>>>> unfair to deny our people an opportunity to raise funds to
>>>>>>>> supplement
>>>>>>>> on government funds like CDF," he argued.
>>>>>>>> The Rongo MP wondered why the Bondo meeting castigated him and the
>>>>>>>> Nairobi governor, adding that Mr Odinga himself sent Sh100,000 in
>>>>>>>> support of the Ranen fundraising.
>>>>>>>> The MP also maintained his comments on Mr Ruto's situation: "It is
>>>>>>>> true
>>>>>>>> that if the youths from the Rift Valley did not block the highways
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Grand Coalition government under which Mr Odinga became PM could not
>>>>>>>> have happened."
>>>>>>>> He added that Mr Ruto deserved support from the people of Nyanza just
>>>>>>>> as the region also deserves compensation from the State for losses
>>>>>>>> incurred by individuals from the area who were affected by the 2008
>>>>>>>> post-election violence.
>>>>>>>> On his part, Dr Kidero insists that the biggest thing in his mind is
>>>>>>>> how to change and transform lives and not rhetoric.
>>>>>>>> Kisumu Senator Anyang Nyong'o recently attempted to introduce a
>>>>>>>> Motion
>>>>>>>> in the Senate to tax funds obtained from Harambees.
>>>>>>>> \
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