Folks, Where is the Coalition Government Leadership ???..... As a voice of reason, and on behalf of the many voiceless, I am obligated to demand to know if the Coalition Government is functioning or dysfunctioning; and what is the position of the Government in this case??? Things cannot get out of hand and out of control when there is a functioning Government. If the Coalition Government is unable to do what they are suppose to do, it is time they should quit........We are not going to waste time watching people killed carelessly and Leaders take no stand........ A Government business is not an individual property and no one has right to do as they wish violating all forms of human rights including letting loose crime and terrorism rock the country and allowing disorder to create fear to pave way for intimidation. This cannot be tolerated....... The Coalition Government leadership either do what is right or they both resign immediately as we shall not sit and watch this kind of behaviour to continue.... Judy Miriga Diaspora Spokesperson Executive Director Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc., USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com 3 killed as riots rock Kisumu city Published on Oct 29, 2012 by NTVKenya http://www.ntv.co.ke Three people killed as protests hit Kisumu after the murder of a candidate for general elections due in March. Last Modified: 30 Oct 2012 08:06 Violent protests have erupted in Kisumu, western Kenya, following the murder of a prominent local politician. A senior police officer, who requested anonymity, told the AFP news agency on Monday that three people "died from either burning or suffocation after teargas was lobbed into a hardware shop they were hiding in". Joseph Oli Tito, Nyanza provincial police officer, confirmed the deaths but denied that police were involved. "Three people inside a workshop died in a fire. ... There are rumours that police officers lobbed teargas into the workshop which caused fire, but we are disputing that and we are suspecting an electric fault," he said. The protests erupted after Shem Onyango Kwega, a candidate for a parliamentary seat in Kisumu in general elections due in March, was killed by unidentified armed men on Monday while driving in town. Al Jazeera's Nazanine Moshiri, reporting from Nairobi, says: ""There is so much worry about what we are seeing right now, as the same place was the scene of so much violence in 2008". Kwega, the local branch chairman of Raila Odinga's Orange Democratic Movement (ODM), was shot in the head and later died at the hospital. Kisumu, the prime minister's fiefdom, was a hotspot during Kenya's 2007-2008 post-election violence. The unrest, which left more than 1,000 people dead and hundreds of thousands displaced throughout Kenya, was prompted by the contested election of incumbent President Mwai Kibaki against Odinga. Kwega's wife was seriously wounded and was treated at a Kisumu hospital on Monday night, police said. The murder was initially attributed to gangsters, but a political motive was not immediately ruled out. Four people were wounded by bullets during confrontations with the police and a police officer was hit by a stone hurled by the protesters, witnesses said. Police intervened after demonstrators, angry at what they said is the deteriorating security situation in the area and accusing police of collusion with gangsters, reportedly threatened to torch a police station. Residents said that the riots had stopped by Monday night but that tensions remained high. WHY DID THE POLICE KILL FOUR PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS IN KISUMU YESTERDAY ,CAN SOME BODY TELL ME-MUTUA ARE YOU THERE? --- On Wed, 10/31/12, Odanga Jamangula <omogeoffton@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Odanga Jamangula <omogeoffton@yahoo.com> Subject: [PK] Re: WHY DID THE POLICE KILL FOUR PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS IN KISUMU YESTERDAY ,CAN SOME BODY TELL ME-MUTUA ARE YOU THERE? To: "progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com" <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>, "VuguVuguMashinani@yahoogroups.com" <VuguVuguMashinani@yahoogroups.com>, "progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com" <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com> Date: Wednesday, October 31, 2012, 2:52 PM Maurice, Warsama, Baba Yaro et al, I want to break rank with all of you yodeling here some sob stuff about Police brutality in Kisumu. Yes, Kwega is dead and I hear another businessman has also been shot dead; no amount of riots will bring them back life. Let get straight to business now. When the Police graduate from Kiganjo they come out trained to use all manner of weapons. When we give them guns and batons it is not like they are for keeping their idle hands occupied or to serve as fly-whisks. They are for preserving and protecting security. When a mob faces anti-riot cops by all means the assumption is that they are prepared to take whatever the Police dishes in kind. So you all, stop these makelele ati Police are using excessive force. Mntaka wabembeleze waandamanaji? Anyone going to riot before the Police must be prepared for the consequences, period. In fact, I am one of the few people who celebrated when they released that Kirui chap whom Kiraithe claimed that footage of him killing a protester was a Rambo kind-a flick. The guy was doing his job. Kura zilizoibwa zilikuwa ni za Raila, mbona Raila hakuenda ku-play hide and seek with the Police in the streets. I applaud the Police for working tirelessly to bring order to Kisumu streets while facing pestilential idlers who knows only the language of violence in their everyday transactions. Lastly, Kondele in Kisumu is notorious for some knuckleheads who imagine they are a law unto themselves. Naomba Polisi wa-deal na wao barabara. We can not keep on preaching sijui insecurity yet on your doorstep there is a chap who thinks a Raila presidency equals absence of law and order. Twanga mpaka mtoe nundu yao! I know Lee has been doing some advocacy on the rise of insecurity in Kisumu. It is a challenge which the concerned authorities must address within the acceptable frameworks that there is. Mambo ya kupayuka we shall eliminate sijui China gang sijui what is not part of that framework. Let Law and Order prevail in this nation. YOU HAVE GOT WHAT YOU WANT IN LIFE, OR YOUR EXCUSES ----- Original Message ----- From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> To: wanakenya@googlegroups.com Cc: "NaijaObserver@yahoogroups.com" <NaijaObserver@yahoogroups.com>; "talkhard@yahoogroups.com" <talkhard@yahoogroups.com>; "yanarewa@yahoogroups.com" <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com>; KOL <kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>; progressive-kenyans <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>; uchunguzi online <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>; "changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com" <changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:08 PM Subject: Re: ||NaijaObserver|| Re: [KOL] Re: [PK] WHY DID THE POLICE KILL FOUR PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS IN KISUMU YESTERDAY ,CAN SOME BODY TELL ME-MUTUA ARE YOU THERE? Warsama This is now the fourth time today that I'm asking you to stop referring to me as Shortie. Please respect my wishes here so we can move on to discussing other things. Courage On 10/31/12, mohamed warsama <mhmdwarsama@yahoo.com> wrote: > Whatsa wrong with you Shortie ? You dont want these tall Nigerian fellows to > know you are a go-by-the-ground fellow ? (slang: one who is short he > literally appears to be hugging the ground he walks on). > Shortie, there are a million Nigerians in USA & Canada and they cant miss > you even though they have to search for you for quite a bit before finding > you at their feet ! > > Mohamed Warsama > > From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> > To: kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com > Cc: "progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com" > <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>; uchunguzi online > <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>; "changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com" > <changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com>; "wanakenya@googlegroups.com" > <wanakenya@googlegroups.com>; the last word to kenya > <thelastwordtokenya@yahoogroups.com>; "talkhard@yahoogroups.com" > <talkhard@yahoogroups.com>; naijaobserver <naijaobserver@yahoogroups.com>; > "yanarewa@yahoogroups.com" <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 8:48 PM > Subject: ||NaijaObserver|| Re: [KOL] Re: [PK] WHY DID THE POLICE KILL FOUR > PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS IN KISUMU YESTERDAY ,CAN SOME BODY TELL ME-MUTUA ARE > YOU THERE? > > > Warsama, > > First of all, please stop referring me as Shortie everytime. i'm not a > Mafia character. It's not unny anymore but getting irritating. You're > doing it as provocation so I can insult you back then you can start > calling peole all over the place asking them to plead with me to stop > insulting you. I hope you respect my wishes there. If we have a deal > there, then I'll also cut out insulting you. We're adults here and > please le us act our ages. > > Second, I have never celebrated any police shootings of MRC or errant > youth in Mombasa. Either you don't remember what I said or you're > deliberately lying in order to justify the happiness you have over the > police killings in Kisumu. > I have stated time and again that I don't support police killings of > suspected terrorists or criminals. It better to capture them alive so > they can provide information about who their partners and sponsors > are. Killing the on the spot is total incompetence because then > there's no way to find out who the higher-ups are. > > So just to summaize: stop referring to me as Shortie and stop > misrepresenting my position on police killings. Thank you. > > Courage > > On 10/31/12, mohamed warsama <mailto:mhmdwarsama%40yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> Maurice Shortie Oduor and Fake Nigerian Baba Yaro stop whining about four >> demonstrators being killed in Kisumu by police. I hate duplicity and >> double >> standards. If the police are congratulated by you for shooting dead Muslim >> or MRC demonstrators in Mombasa, I see nothing wrong whatsoever in police >> gunning down four stone throwers in Kisumu. >> What is good treatment by police for Mombasa demonstrators is good >> treatment >> too, in my opinion, for Kisumu stone throwers. >> So stop complaining, and support our dedicated police in keeping law and >> order in Kisumu. >> >> Mohamed Warsama >> From: Maurice Oduor <mailto:mauricejoduor%40gmail.com> >> To: mailto:progressive-kenyans%40googlegroups.com >> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [PK] WHY DID THE POLICE KILL FOUR PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS IN >> KISUMU YESTERDAY ,CAN SOME BODY TELL ME-MUTUA ARE YOU THERE? >> >> Won Yaro, >> >> This Onguru has absolutely no idea what we're talking about so don't >> even bother kujibiana naye. You're right; he might be a policeman. >> He has no clue about the political implications of the Police always >> shooting to kill in Kisumu but not anywhere else in Kenya.one day some >> of us may just decide to do something about it in unpleasant ways. >> >> Courage >> >> >> >> On 10/31/12, RT. BABA YARO <mailto:babayaro50%40gmail.com> wrote: >>> Thank u onguru policeman.you are entitled to your raw opinion.were >>> protestors carrying guns? why use live bullets on them. >>> >>> On 31 October 2012 14:39, onguru daniel <mailto:danonguru%40yahoo.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Everyone is entitled to own opinion,, but, when did we ever have >>>> peaceful >>>> demos in Kisumu? Times you need to be on the ground before you try >>>> playing >>>> activist and blaming police!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>> Dan-Kisumu >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* George Mwai <mailto:mwaigg08%40gmail.com> >>>> *To:* mailto:progressive-kenyans%40googlegroups.com >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:10 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [PK] WHY DID THE POLICE KILL FOUR PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS >>>> IN KISUMU YESTERDAY ,CAN SOME BODY TELL ME-MUTUA ARE YOU THERE? >>>> >>>> I dont blame them.. They have adobted the mob mentality that has >>>> engulfed >>>> our continent. Poor Africa! Si Nigeria, si S.A and many more >>>> >>>> mwai george >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Maurice Oduor >>>> <mailto:mauricejoduor%40gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >>>> I know Baba Yaro, I know. Our Police Force is the most incompetent >>>> police force I've ever experienced. They have absolutely no training >>>> in how to handle an investigation. You don't shoot to kill terrorists, >>>> marauding demonstrators or robbers. You do your best to get them alive >>>> so you can gather more info from them about who their leaders/sponsors >>>> and other partners are. That info can help you prevent such stuff in >>>> future. >>>> >>>> Courage >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/31/12, RT. BABA YARO <mailto:babayaro50%40gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > Maurice that is an open secretb that we have got incompetent police >>>> > officers in Kisumu.The approach of shooting to kill was very wrong >>>> > Wandeto.There is no justification for it. >>>> > >>>> > On 31 October 2012 12:54, Maurice Oduor >>>> > <mailto:mauricejoduor%40gmail.com> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Wandetto, >>>> >> >>>> >> If thugs are breaking into a Police Station or the Armoury to take >>>> >> arms, as a competent police Force you don't kill them unless they >>>> >> pose >>>> >> an immediate danger to other lives. You try your best to capture them >>>> >> alive. Why? So you can pry information from them about who their >>>> >> leaders/sponsors are. >>>> >> >>>> >> Courage >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 10/31/12, RT. BABA YARO <mailto:babayaro50%40gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >> > Tear gas was enough to send them away policeman PJ Wandetto.Why use >>>> >> > live >>>> >> > bullets on them. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On 31 October 2012 12:09, PJ Wandetto <mailto:wandetto%40gmail.com> >>>> >> > wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> Peaceful?? They attacked the police station and wanted to break >>>> >> >> into >>>> >> >> the >>>> >> >> armoury?? Is that peaceful?? >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 1:05 PM, RT. BABA YARO >>>> >> >> <mailto:babayaro50%40gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >>> This baffles me most Maurice, even rao is not coming out strongly >>>> >> >>> about >>>> >> >>> this. >>>> >> >>> I can remember sometimes back a police assaulted an old lady on a >>>> >> >>> demonstration a senior police officer went and apologized to that >>>> >> >>> woman >>>> >> >>> over a cup of tea. The villain police man was later fired and >>>> >> >>> charged. >>>> >> >>> What does this mean? Some people are more equal than others. >>>> >> >>> RT.BABA YARO. >>>> >> >>> On 31 October 2012 11:02, Maurice Oduor >>>> >> >>> <mailto:mauricejoduor%40gmail.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>>> Won Yaro, >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> Why haven't our political leaders stood up publicly to demand >>>> >> >>>> some >>>> >> >>>> accountability from the Police? Why can't they angrily demand to >>>> >> >>>> know >>>> >> >>>> why Police are fond of shooting people dead in Kisumu ?? >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> Courage >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> >>>> On 10/31/12, RT. BABA YARO <mailto:babayaro50%40gmail.com> >>>> >> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> > Maurice the police are applying double standard, in one >>>> >> >>>> > country >>>> >> >>>> > two >>>> >> >>>> > demonstrations are held in two separate places, Nairobi and >>>> Kisumu >>>> >> >>>> > for >>>> >> >>>> the >>>> >> >>>> > same cause. In Nairobi police disperse demonstrators without >>>> >> >>>> > killing >>>> >> >>>> > a >>>> >> >>>> > single person while on the contrary the police in Kisumu >>>> >> >>>> > decide >>>> to >>>> >> >>>> > kill >>>> >> >>>> > four innocent demonstrators. Why did this happen? >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > RT.BABA YARO >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> > On 31 October 2012 06:27, Carl Mullwoh >>>> >> >>>> > <mailto:carlmul%40gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >> >>>> >> This is soo sad, >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Are these Kisumuians" candidates for Police Target >>>> >> >>>> >> Practice?(PTP) >>>> >> >>>> >> Any >>>> >> >>>> >> time they attempt to demonstrate, even for a good course like >>>> >> >>>> insecurity, >>>> >> >>>> >> they are shot in large numbers, yet demonstrations are as >>>> >> >>>> >> legal >>>> >> >>>> >> as >>>> >> >>>> >> "allowed >>>> >> >>>> >> by the police". >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Sorry, I forgot, this is Kenya, my country my beer.. too >>>> >> >>>> >> drank >>>> to >>>> >> >>>> >> know >>>> >> >>>> >> the >>>> >> >>>> >> correct thing to do. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> carl >>>> >> >>>> >> from the East >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:08 AM, Maurice Oduor >>>> >> >>>> >> <mailto:mauricejoduor%40gmail.com>wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>> Won Yaro, >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>> 'Inshallah, one day we will be able to deal with the police >>>> >> >>>> >>> in >>>> >> >>>> Nyanza. >>>> >> >>>> >>> We feel they are working agains the community and very soon >>>> >> >>>> >>> the >>>> >> >>>> >>> community will show them. I swear. We will show them. They >>>> can't >>>> >> be >>>> >> >>>> >>> coming to Nyanza to kill people at will. Just wait. >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>> Courage >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>> On 10/30/12, RT. BABA YARO <mailto:babayaro50%40gmail.com> >>>> >> >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> > Am terribly disgusted by the killing of four innocent >>>> >> >>>> >>> > people >>>> >> >>>> >>> > in >>>> >> >>>> Kisumu >>>> >> >>>> >>> who >>>> >> >>>> >>> > took part in the protest over the death of Kwega today. >>>> >> >>>> >>> > Why >>>> >> >>>> >>> > should >>>> >> >>>> the >>>> >> >>>> >>> > police men in Kisumu be trigger happy against Innocent >>>> people? >>>> >> >>>> >>> > It is in record that another protest took place in Nairobi >>>> >> today, >>>> >> >>>> but >>>> >> >>>> >>> the >>>> >> >>>> >>> > civil policemen in Nairobi didn't kill even a single >>>> >> >>>> >>> > person >>>> >> >>>> >>> > though >>>> >> >>>> >>> made a >>>> >> >>>> >>> > number of arrests as stipulated by the law. >>>> >> >>>> >>> > My question is, why police found hard to arrest people >>>> arraign >>>> >> in >>>> >> >>>> >>> > court >>>> >> >>>> >>> > rather than taking innocent lives? >>>> >> >>>> >>> > >>>> >> >>>> >>> > Am indeed sad and disappointed with the police, instead of >>>> >> >>>> providing >>>> >> >>>> >>> > security they are killing innocent people. This must be >>>> >> condemned >>>> >> >>>> at >>>> >> >>>> >>> > all >>>> >> >>>> >>> > cost. Over to you Okkil,meet those heartless policemen in >>>> >> >>>> >>> > court >>>> >> >>>> over >>>> >> >>>> >>> > the >>>> >> >>>> >>> > four deaths. |
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