Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA

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2012/9/22 Albin Kalolo <kaloloa@gmail.com>:
> Mmmh, haya mambo yanatisha.
> Kwa sasa dini zimekuwa ni chazo cha kukosekana kwa amani duniani. Dini
> zenyewe tumeletewa tu ( kutoka Ulaya na Uarabuni), sasa tunazikumbatia hadi
> inafikia hatua ya kutishiana kuuana. au kuuana. Nadhani ni muda wa
> kutafakari na kutafuta "framework " nyingine kuhusu imani za kidini.Kwa
> sababu dini zimekuwa zinaingilia sana siasa, ingefaa kuangalia utaratibu wa
> kusajili dini/ madhehebu haya kama vyama vya siasa, ili kwa kutumia sheria
> za nchi ''vyama'' hivi viweze kudhibitiwa vinapohatarisha amani ya nchi.
> Hata kama wasiokuwa na dini katika nchi yetu ni wachache ( inasadikika),
> wananyimwa haki ya kuongea mambo yao, maana wao hawana makanisa wala
> misikiti, bali wanaishia kuwa kwenye vyama vya siasa ambapo hata wenye dini
> zao wamo pia.
>
> I wish , ifikie siku, ushabiki wa dini uishe na nchi yetu iongozwe kwa
> misingi isiyo ya kibaguzi kwa kufuata misingi ya usawa ( social justice) na
> haki za binadamu. Hapo ndipo " ujinga " huu wa kusema eti...dini hii
> inafanya hili na ile inafanya ile...utakapoisha.
> 2012/9/22 matinyi@hotmail.com <matinyi@hotmail.com>
>
>> Jamani acheni kutukanana. Sisi wote ni maskini wa kutupwa ndani ya
>> Tanzania. Tuijenge nchi yetu. Umaskini ama ujinga dawa yake ni kuung'oa na
>> siyo kugombana wenyewe.
>> Matinyi.
>>
>>
>>
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>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "amour chamani" <abachamani@yahoo.com>
>> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>> Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:49 pm
>>
>>
>> Ngupala,
>> Hebu jenga hoja ya maana wacha kutukana haitawasaidia hata kidogo.Dawa ya
>> haya mambo ni kuacha dhulma mliyoifanya kwa miaka yote tangu na baada ya
>> uhuru.Hiyo mifano ya Sadam na Gadaf inahusiana vipi na hili la hapa?
>> Wakati mwingine huwa nashindwa kuelewa hiyo dogma yenu ya kanisani kwa
>> nini mnaitumia katika maisha yenu ya kila siku.
>> Kama unajua mifano sema kanisa lilichokifanya Rwanda au ndicho mnacho taka
>> kutufanyia sisi?
>> Hayo hamuwezi kwani sisi mbali ya huo ujinga na wingi wetu kama wa kuku
>> HATUNA CHA KUPOTEZA.
>> TUKO CHALI HATUOGOPI KUANGUKA.
>> Ole wenu ninyi mafisadi,watawala,wasomi(educated fools) nk.
>> Hii nchi ni yetu wote acheni kiburi cha mfumo kristo.
>>
>>
>>
>> Walewale.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:02 PM
>> Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>>
>>
>>
>> Ndugu Muhingo,naafikiana nawe mia kwa mia. Hawa jamaa ni lazima waelewe
>> kuwa hakuna njia ya mkato.Kama wanaöa wanaonewa,wajifunge mkanda,wajipange
>> kupitia njia ile ile wenzao wamepitia.Martin Luther king aliwaambia
>> wamerekani weusi,kama mkitaka kujikomboa,basi mwenye uwezo wa kuimba na
>> aimbe,na mwenye uwezo wa kupigana,na apigane na mwenye kusoma na asome.Ndio
>> matunda yake leo hii hata wanaonekana na kushika nafasi za juu serikani. Mtu
>> anayedhani anaweza fanya lolote kwa vita au vurugu,cha muhimu ajiulize
>> atakimbilia wapi asipopatikana? Zanzibar walipokuwa na vurugu walikimbilia
>> Uk.Mbona hawakwenda Bubai? Elimu ya mjinga ni majungu na dawa ya mpumbavu ni
>> upumbavu.Kupanga ni kuchagua.Lakini na ikumbukwe kila amwagae damu,naye damu
>> yake huyo itamwagwa. Wako wapi akina Osama,Saddamu na Gadaffi?.Tunajua
>> wanajifunza judo misikitini,pia kutengeneza mabomu ya petrol nk.Lakini
>> hawatafanikiwa....Ngupula
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:09 AM EEST ELISA MUHINGO wrote:
>>
>> >Wewe unaamini kuwa Serikali inatoa mabilioni hayo kuimarisha ukristo? Ipo
>> > Serikali ya Namna hiyo?
>> >Kama serikali itatoa fedha kwa hospitali za missioni kwa sababu zinatoa
>> > huduma wala si biashara huko ni kuimarisha ukristo? Kuna hospitali yoyote
>> > inayotoa huduma kama hizo inayonyimwa ruzuku kwa sababu siyo ya kikriso?
>> > Kwanza hospitali hizo zinaendeshwa na makanisa tu lakini ni za wagonjwa bila
>> > kujali ni wa imani gani. Tunaziona za Agakhan. ni commecial/bussiness as
>> > usual.. Ni hospitali za wagonjwa tatajili. Mvumi ya Dodoma au Kilimatinde ni
>> > za wagonjwa wote. ndiyo maana serikali huzipa ruzuku.
>> >
>> >Tusiwe wapumbavu kama ndugu zetu hawa ila tujaribu kuona namna gani
>> > tutakwenda nao. Wanakoelekea wanaweza kuleta sokomoko. Kama wakikubaliana
>> > kuwa uislamu ni kuua na kuuawa itakuwa balaa kwa sababu ipo siku watalaumu
>> > kuwa jua halijawaka sana kwenye maeneo yao
>> >
>> >--- On Fri, 9/21/12, Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >From: Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>
>> >Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU ARUSHA
>> >To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >Date: Friday, September 21, 2012, 11:18 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Basi kama yanayosemwa ni kweli,nani anayepaswa kuwajibishwa hapa?mtoaji
>> > au mpokeaji?Nani tulimpa dhamana ya kulinda rasmali zetu?....ccm ndio
>> > iliyoshika dola,si waache tu kutoa?
>> >
>> >Long time ago nilikuwa nafikiri ni baadhi tu ya watu fulani wasio na
>> > uelewa mzuri ndio wanaoendekeza hizi chuki zisizo na ukweli wowote.Now am
>> > almost convinced that some religion beliefs are like cancer.They eat every
>> > one regardless of his understand. Regards,Godfrey Ngupula
>> >
>> >------------------------------
>> >On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 07:34 EEST MikiDadi Waziri wrote:
>> >
>> >>Bwana Mbegu
>> >>Hayo yanayosemwa yote ni yakweli, Ndio maana hakuna mtu yeyote mwenye
>> >>kukanusha..
>> >>On Sep 21, 2012 8:52 PM, "Edgar Mbegu" <embegu@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Nape yuko wapi kujibu shutuma? Serikali ya CCM inaongozwa na Maaskofu;
>> >> Serikali ya CCM inawapendelea Wakristo kwa kuwapa mabilioni... Serikali
>> >> haifai hii kumbe!
>> >> Kamati ya Ulinzi na Usalama wapo? Hawa watu si wanatangaza vita kama
>> >> ile
>> >> ya Rwanda? IGP yupo? Hawa watu si wanapanga kuvuruga maandamano ya
>> >> CHADEMA
>> >> kwa kutangaza kutoka kupambana nao? Hao watu walipewa kibali cha
>> >> kufanya
>> >> mkutano wa kidini au wa kisiasa au wa uchochezi?
>> >>
>> >> > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 20:31:38 +0300
>> >> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: NILICHOSIKIA KONGAMANO LA KIISILAMU
>> >> > ARUSHA
>> >> > From: mngonge@gmail.com
>> >> > To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >> >
>> >> > Inteligensia ilikuwepo na ipo, tatizo mitambo yao iko insensitive na
>> >> > mambo kama hayo na hivyo hayasomeki vizuri kwenye mitambo yao. Wala
>> >> > hawana sababu ya kurekebisha mitambo kwa vile yaliyo ya msingi kwao
>> >> > yanasomeka. Nafikiri yanayosomeka kwao mwayajua
>> >> >
>> >> > 2012/9/21 Godfrey Ngupula <ngupula@yahoo.co.uk>:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > frmapunda,si wewe tu unayeumia.Wakristo wengi wanaumia sana kwa
>> >> > > vituko
>> >> vya waislamu na ukimya wa serikali.Kwa mtazamo wangu kwa hali hii naona
>> >> ni
>> >> hatari sana kwa Tanzania kuongozwa na raisi muislam kwani hawa jamaa
>> >> kama
>> >> ambavyo hawaamiki kumiliki hata bunduki kwa jamii ya
>> >> kimataifa,hawaamiki
>> >> hata kidogo kushika dhamana ya juu ya uongozi kama raisi.Tumeona hivyo
>> >> kipindi cha Mwinyi na sasa Jk pia. Kuishi na jamii ya watu hawa inahidi
>> >> umakini na ukali wa hali juu na sio kuwachekeachekea tu.Wakristo
>> >> wanapoamua
>> >> kuzaa na kuoa kwa mpango ili kutoa malezi bora kwa watoto wao,wao
>> >> wamepanga
>> >> kuzaliana kwa ustaarabu wa kuku,hao wakristo wakipanda hizo
>> >> baiskeli,wao
>> >> kinawauma nini? Mimi binafsi ninawashauri sana,wabadikike kama
>> >> ulimwengu
>> >> ulivyobadilika,wapange uzazi wa mpango na watafute maisha bora kwa
>> >> watoto
>> >> wao,waache majungu.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Fr,huku mwanza kuna radio kwa neema,imewafungua watu kuhusu haya
>> >> yanayotokea na kanda ya ziwa we are very aware. Jamii ya kikristo iko
>> >> makini sana na ina mipango madhubuti sana ktk chaguzi zijazo.maombi pia
>> >> yanaendelea na umakini wa hali ya juu unachukuliwa.Hakika,wanazaa
>> >> watoto
>> >> kama kuku kwa lengo la kuijaza tz wjtafanikiwa lak4ni ni ktk magereza
>> >> na
>> >> magereji.Maisha bora kwa mtanzania yataletwa na mtazania mwenyewe.
>> >> Wahutu
>> >> waliwaua watusti,leo hali ikoje huko burundi?anayetawala ni nani?wahutu
>> >> au
>> >> watusti?.vipaji akili na hekima ni tunda la kumcha Mungu wa kweli.Mungu
>> >> wa
>> >> vurugu hakika yake,hatafanikiwa Tanzania.Regards,Godfrey Ngupula
>> >> > >
>> >> > > ------------------------------
>> >> > > On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:40 PM EEST frmapunda91@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >On Monday, March 28, 2011 6:21:21 AM UTC-7, Henry Kaisi wrote:
>> >> > > Wakati habari juu ya babu huko Loliondo zinapumzika kidogo, naomba
>> >> niwape na haya niliyoyasikia kwa masikio yangu kutoka redio Imani. Hii
>> >> ni
>> >> redio ya Waislamu ambayo inatangaza kutokea mkoa wa Morogoro. Sijui
>> >> kama
>> >> husikika nchi nzima au la. Hapa kwetu Arusha kulikuwa na kongamano
>> >> kubwa la
>> >> Waislamu wa madhehebu yote, jana Jpili na lilianza tangu asubuhi hadi
>> >> jioni. Walikuwepo watoa mada mbalimbali, lakini mimi nilifanikiwa
>> >> kumsikia
>> >> mmoja, pamoja na immamu wa mkoa aliyetoa maazimio ya kongamano.Bila
>> >> shaka
>> >> magazeti yataripoti vizuri. Nimesukumwa kuandika tena kwa urefu kwani
>> >> nilisikitika sana kusikia maneno ambayo sikuwahi kuyasikia tangu
>> >> nizaliwe
>> >> yakiongelewa hadharani ndani ya nchi yangu. Nakumbuka nilisoma maazimio
>> >> ya
>> >> Mwanza, lakini hii imenistua sana. Kama tunamwomba Mungu basi tuongeze
>> >> nguvu, kama hatuombi basi tuanze. Kwa mtindo huu, ninawasiwasi na amani
>> >> ya
>> >> Tanzania ambayo tumejivunia miaka hamsini sasa. Mliopata neema ya
>> >> kupata
>> >> nafasi za juu
>> >> > > serikalini, sijui serikali inayaonaje mambo haya. Hayajaanza leo,
>> >> > > ila
>> >> imeyaachia yaendelee. Makanisa yanazidi kuchomwa, hakuna msikiti
>> >> uliwahi
>> >> kuchomwa kama sijakosea. Wakristo wanavamiwa na kupigwa, hakuna
>> >> mhadhara wa
>> >> Waislamu uliwahi kuvamiwa. Redio Imani na magazeti ya Kiislamu (mfano
>> >> Al-alnuur) yanazidi kumwaga sumu ya udini, na ubaguzi, na chuki, lakini
>> >> sijawahi kusikia vyombo hivi vikikemewa. Huu, ukimya wa serikali na
>> >> vyombo
>> >> vyake, sijui maana yake ni nini? Sumu hii ikiishapandwa kuing'oa ni
>> >> kazi.
>> >> Jamaa hawa walifanya mambo yao sirini tangu enzi za Mwinyi, na sasa,
>> >> wameamua kuyaweka wazi na kuhamasisha Watanzania waziwazi tuuane.
>> >> Haiingii
>> >> akilini mwangu. Je, viongozi wetu wa dini wanazo taaarifa za kutosha
>> >> kuhusu
>> >> mambo haya? Wanachukua hatua gani? Je, sisi tuchukue hatua gani? Shehe
>> >> Ilunga Hassan ndiye niliyeweza kumsikia. Ameongea mambo mengi, lakini
>> >> yote
>> >> ni ya kupandikiza chuki ndani ya Watanzania. Ameanza kwa kutoa pongezi
>> >> kwa
>> >> kile Waislamu
>> >> > > walichokifanya huko Mto wa mbu (Arusha) kwa kuwapiga wachungaji, na
>> >> kuwajeruhi, nk. Amesisitiza kuwa Tanzania inaongozwa na mfumo Kristo.
>> >> Na
>> >> sasa umefika wakati mfumo huo uondolewe na hiyo ndiyo itakuwa pona ya
>> >> Waislamu. Serikali inaongozwa na maaskofu. Wao ndiyo wanaweza kumwambia
>> >> rais tunataka hiki au la. Amesisitiza kuwa amani tunayoiona TZ ipo kwa
>> >> gharama ya Waislamu. Umefika wakati Waislamu waseme basi kwa mfumo
>> >> Kristo
>> >> ili na Wakristo wabebe gharama ya amani hii. Ametoa takwimu kuwa mwaka
>> >> 1992
>> >> Serikali iliingia mkataba na Wakristo, na tangu hapo imekuwa ikitoa
>> >> fedha
>> >> za kuwaendeleza wao huko Waislamu wakibaki nyuma. Kwa mfano, mwaka
>> >> 2009,
>> >> serikali imetoa bilioni 45, mwaka 2010 bilioni 54, na mwaka huu kwa
>> >> miezi
>> >> miwili hii na siku imekwisha toa bilioni 611, zote hizi zikiwa ni
>> >> kuwaendeleza Wakristo. Wakati serikali ikifanya hayo yote, Waislamu
>> >> wameachwa nyuma na watoto wao wamezidi kuwa wamachinga huku watoto wa
>> >> Wakristo wakiendesha baiskeli za
>> >> > > kizungu na kufurahia beach. Amesema ifike mahali Waislamu waamue
>> >> > > kama
>> >> walivyofanya Wahutu dhidi ya Watutsi. Ati Kikwete hawezi kuongoza nchi
>> >> bila
>> >> maaskofu, maana kila analotaka kufanya lazima awaone. Amesema kuwa
>> >> Chama
>> >> cha kususa na maandamano kipo tu kwa ajili ya maslahi ya Wakristo.
>> >> Waislamu
>> >> wanadanganywa wakidhani hicho chama kipo kuwatetea WaTz kumbe kipo kwa
>> >> ajili ya Wakristo. Makafiri wanasaidiana wao kwa wao hivyo waislamu
>> >> waamke,
>> >> waungane hili kuuondoa m
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