Omar,
You can use all means of defending and justifying the actions of Muslims, your points will never clear the dark cloud of sense less murders committed daily by Muslims.
You are just hitting around the bush without tell the people why kill innocent people for the sake of securing a place in the heave is justified in your beliefs.
You said somewhere in you contribution that.the number of Muslims is growing and of the Christians is shrinking, do you know why, Because there is no democracy in Islam, starting from the families, a child born in Muslim family will never convert to any other religion other wife she/he can be killed by their own parents. So some one has to follow where there real believe in that religion or not they have to stay in. From this point you can see why you have a wrong product of people, someone is there to save their skin not the soul, Such person is so easy to be brain washed, when there asked to commit suicide they can do it even without reasoning, provide they are fooled that when the die the heave is theirs, with extra rewards of a number of virgins. There someone asked themselves, why suffer here on earth while I am going the same thing when I die, even better as you will not be under control of any one.
I just wanted to assure you, today, tomorrow, a 1000, even ever and ever, no one said the old testament should be abandoned, it has been used and it will continue being used and carry the same importance as it was ever. Those a bluffing talks when you are discussing about peoples beliefs.
I quote "About the impersonation (Certain actions attributed to Muslims not carried out by Muslims)". You point is a common to every Muslim when terrible things happened. And you don't admit it must be from the teaching, it cannot be because those people are imaging from no where, there is a source. Last time I gave example of this genital man called ABB Hamza, in UK, this guy used to preach openly asking youth to take a lead to kill, even he had cassettes of his speeches were sold in the street. Why don't you admit radicalization is done by your own leaders.
Another point less you wrote is I quote "We wonder why Muslims are expected to apologize for explain any 'Muslim' atrocity when the Catholic church or Ugandan Catholics never even once 'explained' the LRA Ten Commandments terrorist movement of a former alter boy Joseph Kony" Did Kony boast himself that he was doing for a Catholic Church?, If the answer is NO, then you have 0 point on you argument.
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On Tuesday, 30 September 2014, 13:59, 'Reuben Mwandumbya' via Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Tracy;
Is WW11 older than Islam??!!
Reuben
From: Tracy John <tracykwetu@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:08 PM
Subject: [wanabidii] Re: {UAH} Paul - WHAT DO MUSLIMS SEE IN ISLAM ///
--On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:18 AM, ssekajja via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com> wrote:The history of suicides attackers is older than Islam. The Bbile tells of Samson in Judges 16:30, who said, "Let me die with the Philistines!", when he pushed the walls of the building, causing it to fall, killing him and the enemies of his people, the Israelites.The Kamikaze of Japan flew suicide mission against the American ships in the WW11, for the purpose of disabling the enemy, before he could reach Japan.There are parallels with the teachings of Jesus, who says in John 15:13 that, "There is no greater love than a man to lay down his life for others".It is a tall order!!!! Certainly not for the faint hearted weasels!!!Ssekajja
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From: Omar Kalinge-Nnyago <omarkalinge@gmail.com>
To: ugandans-at-heart <ugandans-at-heart@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 9:25
Subject: Re: {UAH} Paul - WHAT DO MUSLIMS SEE IN ISLAM ///
--About the impersonation (Certain actions attributed to Muslims not carried out by Muslims) : You know there are so called 'Muslim' websites ran Muslim anti Islam crusaders;purpose: to misrepresent Islam.Yes I have sources we can share on another day like you promised to share of the Crusaders of the past. But certainly they are not CNN or Fox News.Dear Paul,I made my point. I am glad you acknowledge that Muslims numbers are growing but perhaps it is not necessarily "majority is right". Well you also don't answer Mulindwa's observation: Churches almost empty on Sundays but Mosques full on Fridays in the West... the so called bastion of Judeo Christian civilisation. Could it be the double standards - something like the story of Prophet Lut - Sodoma and Gomorrah (correct spelling)? and the new acceptability by the church of the vice that destroyed a community. The new Christianity claim the Old Testament should not be read today. The lies about other religions like Islam which the young people sooner than later find out by themselves by contact with Muslims and even reading authentic Islamic literature.
If the war on terror had been declared by 1980- 1985, Muslims would be the (NRA) terrorists in Uganda, what of Salim Saleh, Chefe Ali, Shaban Babtariza and a host of guerrillas who used Muslim sounding names to hide their identity. Mbabazi was known as Ahmed Mbayo at one time. M7 was Abdullah in Mombasa (official biographical record).
Muslims and Christians and Budhists (who was the first Suicide bomber who blew up Rajiv Ghandi- she was a femaleTamil Tiger) and Hindus (BJV) and Sikhs (who shot Indira Ghandi) can all be terrorists even in the name of religion or in their own right. We wonder why Muslims are expected to apologize for explain any 'Muslim' atrocity when the Catholic church or Ugandan Catholics never even once 'explained' the LRA Ten Commandments terrorist movement of a former alter boy Joseph Kony.
Injustice breeds violence. And by the way - you cannot fight terror without fighting injustice. It would be a huge mirage.
Someone is making a lot of money by entrenching injustice, causing terrorism to sprout, often imagining terrorists, sometimes creating their own terrorists. Someone is investing in making everybody "afraid"-so they can tap their phones with impunity and arrest any undesirable individual with no regard to human rights. The machine must keep turning, you know. And many good people who believe "the news they watch" are drafted into the scheme. (Just share with me a list of Muslims in your family, or workplace that you know as terrorists than add your favorite list from the media).
As I said before, for the world of Islam and Muslims we are enjoying this free publicity- no amount of money could have afforded us the headline news of the whole world. Every intelligent (non Muslim) person must ask: "what is so special about this group that bothers every body? And when they ask further, they discover the peace they have always yearned for - ISLAM.
By the way does this Palestine-Israel question make any sense to you? Does it send you thinking a little bit?
As Muslim, my responsibility is to myself, family and community. I must enjoin justice and fight injustice with all the means at my disposal. It is all in the environment.
This is my own fight against Terror.
Yours is probably to highlight the evil of terror (I like this very much) and to demonize those whom you have been coached to regard as the Tzars of terror- the Muslims. That your choice. But when I look around, the "real terrorists" are near you but they have the dictionary- "everybody except them is the terrorist".
Best Regards,
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