Wa Mfalme,
The Wise men of the day once said that "Forgive them for they know not. I want to believe that since you know not, you are at liberty to say that I have 99% tendencies to belong to "Obel" (not Authur) Author was and still is a good man. He tried to come up with a concoction to finish Virusi, but they would not allow him. The Obel I am talking about is the one which is evil to the core. I therefore forgive you for you know not.
"Enewey" (read Anyway) that Saulo man was a Traitor of the "Worsest" (Worser than Worse) order. Saulo was born through a union of a Black father and a Gentile woman from Isle of the Gentiles (present day Europe; Greece to be precise). During his youthful years, he was fond of lamenting that "When he grows up, he would like to be like Caesar." So, when Saulo came of age. he went to his friend Caesar Titus to seek for Authority to preach a "Twisted Gospel."
Since Caesar Titus was ruling and since the man loathed Blacks and their religion of Ise Lamo (Have you been into prayer?) in all Roman Principalities, that "Authority was quickly granted. Saulo therefore set to work, not just to preach the Go Sipel, but also to make sure that he got rid of the black brethren off the land. Saulo himself acknowledges this in the Book of Revelation where he reiterates that he was most evil by arresting blacks for no apparent reason and subsequently throwing them in Prison. He later stood while they were beheaded. This he did not under the orders of Caesar Titus, but through his own will and desire.
He was therefore and remains the most treacherous man in the Biblical History. Other persons who have come close to Saulo's barbarism in modern day, are the likes of Adolf Hitler, Yosef Stalin, one Field Marshal Alhaji Dr. Iddi Amin Dada conqueror of the British Empire. And of course, it would be bad if we failed to honor, in respect of Barbarism, our own, who ensured the disappearance of 126 witnesses of a friendly Court.
Jagem
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On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Antony Mbayaki <antombeks@gmail.com> wrote:
from desert of Tekoa where giant killers take target aim.AccountOfcourse you are an atheist. Atheists, the bible calls them fools. You can imagine God calling you a fool. See how you mix scripture up? Come on do some thinking. put some intellect in your submission. try to persuade with precept by precept not just parrot with film exaggerations which were made to make money. don't expose your ignorance please.eshh!!The hole universe speaks of an intelligent design. The worst thing is that usually none scientists especially historans and lawyers make the most number of atheists. It is kinda they love sin so much and want to be left in that cacoon truts me, on this blog, we gonna smoke ye out you sons and daughters of Belial.AntonioOn Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Antony Mbayaki <antombeks@gmail.com> wrote:The voice from the desert of Tekoa where giant killers are trained.Antonio wa mfalme mwemaI am 99% you have those tendecies.JagemAre you a satanist?On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 6:43 PM, Nyandoto Paul <Paul.Nyandoto@phsotey.fi> wrote:
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Aihe: Re: The Cessation of the Gifts of Tongues, Prophecies and Knowledge.
Look the meaning here is that you can do miracles or speak in tongues or prophecy without love. In such a case, they will cease. But if you have love as the foundation of your Christianity, whether you prophecy or work miracles or not, it will always proof worthy. True love never dies out once in. Knowledge you can become less studiers or you can grow old and forget but not if you have love.I have seen preachers pray for people and crutches are thrown. The witness in me, the Holy Ghost, attests that it is Jesus who did the miracle and the vessel was okay. I have been prophesied to and have seen it come to pass. I have also been falsely prophesied to. The false one just helped me to find out how to detect the wolves however miraculous they portray themselves.Paul LiyaiI still strongly disagree with you. I may not be an expert in hermeneutics but I know 1. there are gifts in terms of persons exercising them, of pastoral, teaching, evangelism, prophetic, and apostolic. 2. I believe and have seen miracles by genuine servants of God though there are false ones. 3.I have prayed for a demon possessed and she was healed and came to greet me in church kinda two weeks later still well. I have prayed for myself and have realized i got healed and never went to hospital. I must say I rarely go to hospital or even get hurt eg hitting my foot or cutting myself as compared when i was not saved. coincidence? indeed i have prayed either for myself or others and sometimes God does not answer immediately. Y i dont know. Remember Jesus did not heal all. He left the lame at the gate of the Temple for Peter and John. Remember..."silver or gold have we none.." ?
Paul don't throw the baby and the water in the sewage hole. Remember the wheat and the weed have to grow together first. I speak in tongues. I know i don't force and I know i don't just bubble. There is an edification and interpretation if am keen. It may come in song or peaceful thought. I know of cases where people in a tongue speaking congregation heard their mother tongues from people who had no idea what they were speaking in tongues. One, a Masai watchman outside a home church. He heard someone tell him his story and though he had a relative who knew him in the meeting. It happened .during worship time. Another, a former Buddhist monk who went to USA to church with his American wife. He was narrated his whole family history by a tongue speaking someone who did not know Japanese nor even him nor been to Japan. He got born again. Paul this is the real power that mesmerizes the world when exercised in purity and accuracy. desire it brother. it is real. .."and this signs shall!!, shall!! , shall!! follow them who believe.... they shall pick snakes... shall drink poison.... etc"
Remember each generation has its garden of Eden forbidden fruit tree. so we have to separate the life giving fruit from the one of knwoledge of good and evil-humanism.
as for;
1Corintians 13 8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away
This refers to the coming of Jesus. He was the perfect in reference to the shadow brought by the law to which Saul subscribed before becoming Paul. Remember Paul's mission on earth is revealed or confirmed to him by a prophet (Ananias) after 3 days of full fasting after the encounter on the road to Damascus. This is a post crucifixion prophet. The writtings from Act onwards are meant to help us realise that what Jesus said that the signs will follow us are true.
I know as a member of original baptist, you are more inclined to wisdom/intellect than the spirit(sign). You want logical formulas and not the complexities of the spirit i sympathize with you because to have all this knowledge and not drink from the true well of Jacob is kinda a curse/a waste. but don't dispair. God promises the Holy Spirit to those who ask. See Math 7. you know me i dont know how to beat the bush. I better guide you to the truth than be good boy.
Antonio wa mfalme mu poa.
voice from desert of tekoa.
On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Jacquie Awuor <jahkey2001@gmail.com> wrote:
Heard of Hidden gospels?...wonder why the "powerful ones" decided to hide some gospels from us.
On Dec 5, 2015 8:05 AM, "account146w qt4" <account146w@hotmail.com> wrote:
JagemWhat you said has brought me to the book and film about exodus . When Moses crossed the so called red see towards Canaan. The book is very disturbing so is the film. Immediately Moses crossed the Red Sea he took his people across to his wife's home or village. The woman he married when he was chased away from Egyptian pharaoh 's home. After his hebrew blood secrete was exposed.
The truth is the woman Moses married was an Ethiopian lady whose father was a preacher in Ethiopia. Moses never had many wives. So please can somebody re draw the Red Sea map by then and today to tell us how one can cross it from Egypt and still end up in Ethiopia?. . Or which sea did Moses actually cross with his people?. Was Ethiopia by then in Asia ?.
History has taught us a lot . And one of the simplest thing I have learnt from history is that; it is written according to the conquerors will and wish. So all what comes behind or in addition are just modifications. Or just crocodile tears. In 20 years from now if nothing changes in Kenya. Kenyan history will be written by grabbers children. They are going to be so powerful that anything coming from a peasants mouth like me you etc will be of no interest to the common man. First they have an easy access to the press, they own them , they decide what to be read and stored in archive. They are the rulers and can still decide who rules after them unless a revolution takes place.
Paul the peasant.
Sent from my iPhonePaul,
I trust that you are an ardent believer of the scriptures. That i have no doubt. However, when you make reference to one Apostle Paul and quote the Books he wrote, I am left wondering as to what your message is.
Apostle Paul was the biggest traitor to the word of Christ. He is the progenitor of Anti Christ. He is the man who dream t started and implemented Anti Christ movement. Why you find quoting this Traitor as a way to convince brethren towards embracing Christ is not very clear to me. Once a Traitor, always a traitor. There are somethings that run in the family blood and cannot be changed. For Example, In Kenya you have seen children born in the household of Grabbers and thieves, grow up and turn to be unspeakable grabbers and thieves themselves.
This therefore shows you that Paul could not have been and shall never be the right person to quote in reference to Christ. He was the Originator of Anti Christ movement (Church)Follow the Link and listen to some of his lies through Pastor Ray Hagins.
Jagem.
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 5:52 AM, Paul Liyai <pauliyai@yahoo.com> wrote:
I would request those who would like to engage with me in this biblical debate to do so by employing both deductive and inductive reason when responding to my argument. I would prefer that before you disagree with me , please give evidence also by negating the scriptures I have put forth. The bible only says what it says and not what we think it says.I have been asked to answer a question first if tongues and prophecies failed.I would like to say that according to 1Corintians 13 8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whetherthere are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.Interpreting the verse above, using plenary hermeneutics, the verse says that LOVE IS ETERNAL. God cannot say something is forever when contrary is true. God is love and and God is The Truth. The Conjunction of contrast BUT in the sentence that begins with it.. but whether there are prophecies they will fail points to the fact there are two issues here being contrasted. These are love and prophesies.Prophecies here may mean the oracles or pronouncements themselves or the gifts of prophecy themselves. The later qualifies to be the best rendering that the former because love is not a pronouncement neither is it an oracle.So the direct translation of the the phrase fail is THEY-SHALL-BE-BEING-DOWN-UN-ACTED they-shall-be-being-discarded pointing to the fact that the gift of prophecy shall be progressively discarded. The word shall here is stronger than will pointing to the fact that it is imperative and future.The Greek word katarghqhsontai translated FAIL in some versions actually means discard or get rid of (someone or something) and the English Dictionary adds that it means get rid of something as no longer useful or desirable. In our daily lives we discard many things not necessarily because they are Bad, but because they are no longer useful or no longer fit in the present need. The synonyms for this word include: dispose of, throw away/out, get rid of, toss out, dispense with, cast aside/off, throw on the scrapheap; The above rendering should be applied to the following clauses whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. ( εἴτε γλῶσσαι παύσονται ; εἴτεγνῶσις καταργηθήσεται) The words Cease and vanish are terminal in essence and they refer to the coming of an end in something. Webster's Dictionary defines these words thus: Cease =to bring an activity or action to an end : discontinue, obsolete : Vanish : to become extinct : die out., To pass out of existence ; to become zero.I personally believe that these three sign gifts are no longer in use today not because they are bad but because they are no longer needed. There are other gifts that have superseded them. A spiritual parallel to this perspective is the Coming of John the Baptist and the Coming of Jesus' ministry, the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the advent of the Holy Spirit and the preaching of the gospel to the Gentiles. All these events NEVER HAPPENED SIMULTANEOUSLY. John the Baptist had to VANISH for Jesus to take over. Jesus Christ had to die on the Cross for the Holy Spirit, the Mighty Counselor to take control and empower the Church. God is a God of order and not of confusion. A contemporary analogy would be, the use of technology. If anyone wants to use any of these below, he has the liberty to do so but the the newer technology dictates the terms. You may insist on using any of the gadgets below but they are overtaken with time. So the alternative is for you to take the latest that can serve your need.
The question is WHEN? When shall this gifts tongues, of prophecy and knowledge be discarded? Simple English Grammar tells us that the word will or shall used in a sentence points to the future. But when is this Future? The Bible is a good teacher. The Apostle Paul write in the 1Cor. 13 that
For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
The WE in the verses above refers to Paul and his contemporaries.The above analogy informs us that during the time of Paul and the other Apostles, they knew in part-that is to say the tongues they used then , the prophecy they had then and the knowledge they had at that time in terms of the sign gifts, were all IMPERFECT. Verse 10 points to that which is perfect. When that which is perfect has come, then that which is imperfect will disappear. So what is this PERFECT. Some theologians say that the perfect refers to the second coming of Christ but when Christ comes we do not need FAITH and HOPE. The Greek New Testament ICorinthians 13:10 reads as follows= ὅταν δὲ ἔλθῃ τὸ τέλειον τὸ ἐκ μέρους καταργηθήσεται ( hotan de elthe to teleion to ek merous katargesetai ) Which is translated as But whenthat which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.The best interpretation of these verse is to take the neuter gender that which which correctly refers to a thing, an understanding or a revelation rather than a the person of Jesus Christ. I believe what the Apostle Paul was referring to here in these verses was the PERFECT WORD OF GOD we call THE HOLY BIBLE. In this library of 66 books we have all the PERFECT TONGUES in the World, better and varied than the ones spoken at Pentecost. In the Bible we have all the PERFECT PROPHECIES fulfilled and unfilled. In the Bible we have all the PERFECT KNOWLEDGE. Therefore we do not need the three sign Gifts of tongues, prophecies and knowledge because they are obsolete. They vanished. They ceased they passed away. What people are doing now is just a sham. Remember I said that AT PRESENT WE HAVE NO SINGLE PROPHET OR APOSTLE IN THE ORDER OF THE BIBLICAL PROPHETS AND THE NEW TESTAMENT APOSTLES. I will address Ephesians 4 in the next blog. Otherwise I would like to end with the apostle Paul who summed up everything saying11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
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For that with me; for thou shall not FEAR Jachien.
For that with me; for thou shall not FEAR Jachien.
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