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Sunday, 30 September 2012

Re: [wanabidii] Mabinti wa Wassira waingia Chadema

Naomba picha zao!!

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 9:12 AM, vitalisy kisandu <vkisandu@yahoo.com> wrote:

Matinyi.
Ina maana Kabourou hakutokea CCM?.Ebu nijuze Mkuu maana mimi sijui Historia ya huyu Jamaa na sasa anafanya shughuli gani za Kisiasa baada ya Ubunge wa East Africa kwisha?.

From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
To: Wanabidii googlegroups <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:24 PM
Subject: RE: [wanabidii] Mabinti wa Wassira waingia Chadema

Muhingo,
It makes very little to think that these ladies have been sent. Let us not brand people because of their family names or ties. Mzee Mtei came from CCM, so was Mzee Makani, and others. Who sent them? In fact, the one who did not come from CCM is the one who turned otherwise, i.e. Kabourou.
Matinyi.

Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:35:54 -0700
From: elisamuhingo@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Mabinti wa Wassira waingia Chadema
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com

Nimewaangalia wakijieleza nikaamini kuwa huenda wamejiunga kweli na CHADEMA. Hii haiondoi uwezekano kuwa wametumwa au kuna watakaotumwa huko mbele tuendako

--- On Sun, 9/30/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
Subject: [wanabidii] Mabinti wa Wassira waingia Chadema
To: "Mabadiliko" <mabadilikotanzania@googlegroups.com>, "Wanabidii googlegroups" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 11:59 AM

Kwa ambao hamko Tanzania.......baada ya yule kijana wa Houston:

Lawyer daughters of minister Wassira embrace Chadema

By Guardian on sunday correspondent

30th September 2012

Two daughters of CCM staunch member and senior cabinet minister Steven Wassira have joined the leading opposition party Chadema, a move that is translated as a total revolt in relation to political loyalties of their father.

Lilian Wassira and Esther Wassira joined Chadema yesterday in Dar es Salaam before reporters, after which they told reporters that they never bothered what other members of the family would say about their decision.

http://www.ippmedia.com/

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[wanabidii] Re: If Waititu was a Luo!!!

Waititu can get an INSANE document written by now striking doctors to
avoid prison. But that will also means NO PARLIAMENT any more. Is he
ready for that?.

Paul.

On 10/1/12, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
> JaGem,
>
> Something tells me that Maasais will not take this lying down. They
> will do something to avenge these deaths. Waititus folks in Kajiado or
> Narok better be very creful.
>
> Courage
>
>
>
> On 9/30/12, Jagem K'Onyiego <jairuschurch@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Machera
>>
>> I couldn't agree more. Let the courts throw his ass in Jail at once, for
>> ordering the murder of two helpless Morans, who were only trying to put
>> bread on their table. If the watchmen who murdered the Young man were
>> known
>> why were they not arrested? And since Waititu ordered for the killing of
>> the
>> two, should the surviving group of watchmen also order for Waititu to be
>> made past tense? Will that not be the beginning of anarchy? And, is this
>> not
>> what we are trying to avoid through the implementation of the new
>> Constitution, a Constitution which the Party TNA and its members vows to
>> throw out of Parliament? No wonder akina Waititu belong to that Party.
>>
>> Jagem
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Evans MACHERA <evansmachera@yahoo.com>
>> To: "Wananchi@yahoogroups.com" <Wananchi@yahoogroups.com>;
>> "kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com" <kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>; AFRICA OPED
>> <africa-oped@yahoogroups.com>; Kiswahili <Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com>;
>> YOUNG
>> PROFESSIONALS <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>; BUNGE MWANACHI
>> <bungelamwanainchi@yahoo.com>; MWANYAGETINGE NETWORK
>> <mwanyagetinge@yahoogroups.com>; WANAKENYA KENYA
>> <wanakenya@googlegroups.com>; Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>;
>> General communications from KPTJ <kptj-communications@fahamu.org>
>> Cc: progressive-kenyans <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>; uchunguzi
>> online <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>;
>> "changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com" <changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:26 AM
>> Subject: If Waititi was a Luo!!!
>>
>>
>> Elvis,
>>
>> Hon.Waititu is trying to apologize as Hon.Mwakwere did!
>>
>> Usually,Waititu plays instant justice - dont you think the law of the
>> land
>> that he is a maker ( law maker) should not delay otherwise he shall be
>> denied justice!
>>
>> Evans MACHERA.
>>
>> From: Elvis mageto <rimageto@yahoo.com>
>> To: "kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com" <kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>; AFRICA
>> OPED
>> <africa-oped@yahoogroups.com>; Kiswahili <Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com>;
>> YOUNG
>> PROFESSIONALS <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>; BUNGE MWANACHI
>> <bungelamwanainchi@yahoo.com>; MWANYAGETINGE NETWORK
>> <mwanyagetinge@yahoogroups.com>; WANAKENYA KENYA
>> <wanakenya@googlegroups.com>; Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>;
>> "wananchi@yahoogroups.com" <wananchi@yahoogroups.com>; General
>> communications from KPTJ <kptj-communications@fahamu.org>;
>> Wananchi@yahoogroups.com
>> Cc: progressive-kenyans <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>; uchunguzi
>> online <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>;
>> "changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com" <changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 12:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Wananchi] If Waititi was a Luo!!!
>>
>>
>> In my humble ignorance I thought Waititu was a Mkamba or Ameru. But
>> regardless of his ancestral lineage, he showed to us and the world how
>> ignorant
>> and reckless he is. How dare him vomit such diatribe knowing very well
>> that the ICC is watching, Chief Justice is watching and the rejuvinated
>> public
>> prosecutor is all eyes and ears. Has he and the likes forgotten about the
>> ICC case awaiting some of our kenyan citizens? A time has come, and now
>> it is here with us, that a man must reap what he sows? For such, I have
>> no
>> sympathy regardless of how they are related with/to me.
>> Blessings. --- On Fri, 9/28/12, Evans MACHERA <evansmachera@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>From: Evans MACHERA <evansmachera@yahoo.com>
>>>Subject: [Wananchi] If Waititi was a Luo!!!
>>>To: "kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com" <kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>, "AFRICA
>>> OPED" <africa-oped@yahoogroups.com>, "Kiswahili"
>>> <Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com>, "YOUNG PROFESSIONALS"
>>> <youngprofessionals_ke@googlegroups.com>, "BUNGE MWANACHI"
>>> <bungelamwanainchi@yahoo.com>, "MWANYAGETINGE NETWORK"
>>> <mwanyagetinge@yahoogroups.com>, "WANAKENYA KENYA"
>>> <wanakenya@googlegroups.com>, "Wanabidii" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>,
>>> "wananchi@yahoogroups.com" <wananchi@yahoogroups.com>, "General
>>> communications from KPTJ" <kptj-communications@fahamu.org>
>>>Cc: "progressive-kenyans" <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>,
>>> "uchunguzi online" <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>,
>>> "changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com"
>> <changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Date: Friday, September 28, 2012, 6:40 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Two wrongs do not make it a right Bw.Lee.
>>>Its only in Mathematics where two minuses makes a positive - Hon.Waititu
>>> is
>>> not a Luo.Its needless to argue how his mistakes should be argued in the
>>> context of Uhuru and Kuks! If u have ever had Kiks friends/school makes
>>> or
>>> whatever the case,u couldn't have argued of having been
>>> Njoroge,Wanjiru,Mwangi as associates as the case may apply.
>>>Hon.Waititu's utterances are xenophobic as i put it elsewhere and no kuk
>>> will celebrate of "their own" making such utterances. Waititu is a
>>> fellow
>>> Kenyan who stretched his tongue far and any possible parallelism must
>>> not
>>> attract any support as it shall remain a wrong in whichever tongue that
>>> utters the words Waititu did.
>>>
>>>
>>>Evans MACHERA.
>>>From: Miriam <mcherogony@gmail.com>
>>>To: "kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com" <kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Cc: progressive-kenyans <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>; kol
>>> <kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>; uchunguzi online
>>> <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>; "changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com"
>>> <changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com>
>>>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 10:48 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [KOL] If Waititi was a Luo!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>Makwiny, I don't think you should wait for someone else. It is your
>>> group's
>>> inability to sustain that discussion. M
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>On 28 Sep 2012, at 08:32, Lee Makwiny
>>> <http://us.mc1255.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=amosogal@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If Waititu was a Luo, there would be all manner of op-eds on Luos and
>>>> Raila. Now nobody is analysing Uhuru and Kyuks -- Luopean is an
>>>> attitude,
>>>> way of thinking/talkin/living, swagg, a movement, a lifestyle,
>>>> self-motivation n more... *FOR CAR-HIRE SERVICES IN KISUMU: CALL
>>>> 0787-833804 or 0725-942054*
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Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Hahahaha Meena huyo bajeti yake ya kampeni haikuzidi hata laki 5 hahaha na kampeni zake nakumbuka alifanyia dsm tu halafu baadae akaonyesha rangi yake halisi!

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Fahmy Dovutwa wa UPDP, halafu kampeni alianza wiki mbili kabla ya uchaguzi! Kama huyo aligombea, nami nitashindwa? Ha ha ha!

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Hahaha nikumbushe! Nani aliwahi kuahidi kiwanda cha silaha?! Hahaha

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Sasa hao wanaosema hawagombei wana nini? Sasa mie nagombea! Naweza kuwa kama yule aliyeahidi kiwanda cha Silaha! Ha ha ha!

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Hahaha Meena wewe nadhani ni uraisi wa TEF sasa au? Haha

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Basi nami sigombei urais, ala! Ha ha ha!

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From: ELISA MUHINGO <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com>

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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:03:57 -0700 (PDT)

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Kama kwa nje wanaonekana ni mafisadi basi na ndani ni mafisadi. Ili mradi walipokuwa wakifanya kazi nzuri walikuwa wanapata mshahara itoshe na waridhike na hayo. Hatuwahitaji kwenye urais ili kuuona ufisadi wao wa ndani. Unatutosha tunaouona kwa nje!!!

--- On Sun, 9/30/12, Yona F Maro <oldmoshi@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Yona F Maro <oldmoshi@gmail.com>
Subject: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
To: "Wanabidii" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 3:54 AM

Kama angetangaza nie ningemshangaa sana , huyu kwa umri wake na ujuzi
wake bado ana njia ndefu ya kuijenga CCM pamoja na yeye mwenyewe , kwa
sasa hivi CCM waachiwe wanayoiweza ngoma ya urais kwa CCM ambao
wameshakitumikia chama kwa ufanisi mkubwa hata kama kwa nje
wanaonekana mafisadi au watu wasiotakiwa katika chama hicho na taifa
kwa ujumla lakini mchango wao unaonekana na hautofutika kiurahisi .

On Sep 30, 1:51 pm, Willy Makundi <wrlmaku...@aol.com> wrote:
> Well said Januari. Kwetu tunasema: "Kipfue kyekyenanza pfo" roughly paraphrased - "Togwa halilevyi"
>
> mchilyi7.0
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Magiri paul <kiga...@gmail.com>
> To: wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 9:15 am
> Subject: [wanabidii] Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
>
> Mbunge wa Bumbuli na Naibu waziri wa mawasiliano sayansi na teknolojia Mhe January Makamba amesema hana mpango wa kugombea Urais. Makamba aliyasema hayo wakati akihojiwa katika kipindi cha Makutano kinachoendeshwa na Fina Mango. Alisema anaamini nafasi ya urais inahitaji mtu ambaye amejiandaa Kisaikolojia, Kisiasa na Kifikra na kumalizia kwa kusema kuwa Urais sio uamuzi wa mtu mmoja kwa sababu nchi haiendeshwi na mtu mmoja na inahitaji watu ambao wanashauriana, kuandaa dira ya pamoja na kupeleka ujumbe wa kuwaunganisha Watanzania.http://wotepamoja.com/archives/7658#.UGfjbs08f84.gmail
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Re: [wanabidii] Mabinti wa Wassira waingia Chadema

Nimewaangalia wakijieleza nikaamini kuwa huenda wamejiunga kweli na CHADEMA. Hii haiondoi uwezekano kuwa wametumwa au kuna watakaotumwa huko mbele tuendako

--- On Sun, 9/30/12, Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mobhare Matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>
Subject: [wanabidii] Mabinti wa Wassira waingia Chadema
To: "Mabadiliko" <mabadilikotanzania@googlegroups.com>, "Wanabidii googlegroups" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 11:59 AM

Kwa ambao hamko Tanzania.......baada ya yule kijana wa Houston:

Lawyer daughters of minister Wassira embrace Chadema

By Guardian on sunday correspondent

30th September 2012

Two daughters of CCM staunch member and senior cabinet minister Steven Wassira have joined the leading opposition party Chadema, a move that is translated as a total revolt in relation to political loyalties of their father.

Lilian Wassira and Esther Wassira joined Chadema yesterday in Dar es Salaam before reporters, after which they told reporters that they never bothered what other members of the family would say about their decision.

http://www.ippmedia.com/

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Re: [wanabidii] Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Kuungana hasa kutafuta nini? Wingi wa makada? Tunahitaji vyama vidogo vinavyowaangalia waTanzania na kuwahudumia katika makundi yao: Wanafunzi; Wakulima; Wafanya biashara; nk.

--- On Sun, 9/30/12, Yona Maro <oldmoshi@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Yona Maro <oldmoshi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 11:54 AM

Kiusalama zaidi na kama tunaitakia nchi hii mema kama kuungana ni CHADEMA , CUF , NCCR MAGEUZI kwa Pamoja na ADC kidogo ila kinyume na hapo ni nchi kukatika vipande , Sasa watu watangulize maslahi ya nchi sio matumbo yao na umaarufu binafsi .

2012/9/30 Mohamedi Mtoi <mouddymtoi@gmail.com>

Joti naye kasema hana mpango wa kugombea uraisi! Uraisi sasa umekuwa kama mnavu.
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From: ELISA MUHINGO <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com>

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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 11:35:11 -0700 (PDT)

To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Sasa January ndiye anayefaa kuugombea uRais. Anaujua. Ni kweli wakati ukifika anaweza akagombea na akaungwa mkono na watu 'wote'

--- On Sat, 9/29/12, Magiri paul <kiganyi@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Magiri paul <kiganyi@gmail.com>
Subject: [wanabidii] Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 29, 2012, 11:15 PM

Mbunge wa Bumbuli na Naibu waziri wa mawasiliano sayansi na teknolojia Mhe January Makamba amesema hana mpango wa kugombea Urais. Makamba aliyasema hayo wakati akihojiwa katika kipindi cha Makutano kinachoendeshwa na Fina Mango. Alisema anaamini nafasi ya urais inahitaji mtu ambaye amejiandaa Kisaikolojia, Kisiasa na Kifikra na kumalizia kwa kusema kuwa Urais sio uamuzi wa mtu mmoja kwa sababu nchi haiendeshwi na mtu mmoja na inahitaji watu ambao wanashauriana, kuandaa dira ya pamoja na kupeleka ujumbe wa kuwaunganisha Watanzania.
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Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Fahmy Dovutwa wa UPDP, halafu kampeni alianza wiki mbili kabla ya uchaguzi! Kama huyo aligombea, nami nitashindwa? Ha ha ha!

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Hahaha nikumbushe! Nani aliwahi kuahidi kiwanda cha silaha?! Hahaha

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Sasa hao wanaosema hawagombei wana nini? Sasa mie nagombea! Naweza kuwa kama yule aliyeahidi kiwanda cha Silaha! Ha ha ha!

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From: "Mohamedi Mtoi" <mouddymtoi@gmail.com>

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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:07:41 +0000

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Hahaha Meena wewe nadhani ni uraisi wa TEF sasa au? Haha

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Basi nami sigombei urais, ala! Ha ha ha!

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From: ELISA MUHINGO <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com>

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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:03:57 -0700 (PDT)

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

From: Yona F Maro <oldmoshi@gmail.com>
Subject: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
To: "Wanabidii" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 3:54 AM

Kama angetangaza nie ningemshangaa sana , huyu kwa umri wake na ujuzi
wake bado ana njia ndefu ya kuijenga CCM pamoja na yeye mwenyewe , kwa
sasa hivi CCM waachiwe wanayoiweza ngoma ya urais kwa CCM ambao
wameshakitumikia chama kwa ufanisi mkubwa hata kama kwa nje
wanaonekana mafisadi au watu wasiotakiwa katika chama hicho na taifa
kwa ujumla lakini mchango wao unaonekana na hautofutika kiurahisi .

On Sep 30, 1:51 pm, Willy Makundi <wrlmaku...@aol.com> wrote:
> Well said Januari. Kwetu tunasema: "Kipfue kyekyenanza pfo" roughly paraphrased - "Togwa halilevyi"
>
> mchilyi7.0
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Magiri paul <kiga...@gmail.com>
> To: wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 9:15 am
> Subject: [wanabidii] Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
>
> Mbunge wa Bumbuli na Naibu waziri wa mawasiliano sayansi na teknolojia Mhe January Makamba amesema hana mpango wa kugombea Urais. Makamba aliyasema hayo wakati akihojiwa katika kipindi cha Makutano kinachoendeshwa na Fina Mango. Alisema anaamini nafasi ya urais inahitaji mtu ambaye amejiandaa Kisaikolojia, Kisiasa na Kifikra na kumalizia kwa kusema kuwa Urais sio uamuzi wa mtu mmoja kwa sababu nchi haiendeshwi na mtu mmoja na inahitaji watu ambao wanashauriana, kuandaa dira ya pamoja na kupeleka ujumbe wa kuwaunganisha Watanzania.http://wotepamoja.com/archives/7658#.UGfjbs08f84.gmail
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Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Hahaha nikumbushe! Nani aliwahi kuahidi kiwanda cha silaha?! Hahaha

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Sasa hao wanaosema hawagombei wana nini? Sasa mie nagombea! Naweza kuwa kama yule aliyeahidi kiwanda cha Silaha! Ha ha ha!

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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:07:41 +0000

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Hahaha Meena wewe nadhani ni uraisi wa TEF sasa au? Haha

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Basi nami sigombei urais, ala! Ha ha ha!

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

From: Yona F Maro <oldmoshi@gmail.com>
Subject: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
To: "Wanabidii" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 3:54 AM

Kama angetangaza nie ningemshangaa sana , huyu kwa umri wake na ujuzi
wake bado ana njia ndefu ya kuijenga CCM pamoja na yeye mwenyewe , kwa
sasa hivi CCM waachiwe wanayoiweza ngoma ya urais kwa CCM ambao
wameshakitumikia chama kwa ufanisi mkubwa hata kama kwa nje
wanaonekana mafisadi au watu wasiotakiwa katika chama hicho na taifa
kwa ujumla lakini mchango wao unaonekana na hautofutika kiurahisi .

On Sep 30, 1:51 pm, Willy Makundi <wrlmaku...@aol.com> wrote:
> Well said Januari. Kwetu tunasema: "Kipfue kyekyenanza pfo" roughly paraphrased - "Togwa halilevyi"
>
> mchilyi7.0
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Magiri paul <kiga...@gmail.com>
> To: wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 9:15 am
> Subject: [wanabidii] Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
>
> Mbunge wa Bumbuli na Naibu waziri wa mawasiliano sayansi na teknolojia Mhe January Makamba amesema hana mpango wa kugombea Urais. Makamba aliyasema hayo wakati akihojiwa katika kipindi cha Makutano kinachoendeshwa na Fina Mango. Alisema anaamini nafasi ya urais inahitaji mtu ambaye amejiandaa Kisaikolojia, Kisiasa na Kifikra na kumalizia kwa kusema kuwa Urais sio uamuzi wa mtu mmoja kwa sababu nchi haiendeshwi na mtu mmoja na inahitaji watu ambao wanashauriana, kuandaa dira ya pamoja na kupeleka ujumbe wa kuwaunganisha Watanzania.http://wotepamoja.com/archives/7658#.UGfjbs08f84.gmail
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Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Sasa hao wanaosema hawagombei wana nini? Sasa mie nagombea! Naweza kuwa kama yule aliyeahidi kiwanda cha Silaha! Ha ha ha!

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Hahaha Meena wewe nadhani ni uraisi wa TEF sasa au? Haha

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Basi nami sigombei urais, ala! Ha ha ha!

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

From: Yona F Maro <oldmoshi@gmail.com>
Subject: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
To: "Wanabidii" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 3:54 AM

Kama angetangaza nie ningemshangaa sana , huyu kwa umri wake na ujuzi
wake bado ana njia ndefu ya kuijenga CCM pamoja na yeye mwenyewe , kwa
sasa hivi CCM waachiwe wanayoiweza ngoma ya urais kwa CCM ambao
wameshakitumikia chama kwa ufanisi mkubwa hata kama kwa nje
wanaonekana mafisadi au watu wasiotakiwa katika chama hicho na taifa
kwa ujumla lakini mchango wao unaonekana na hautofutika kiurahisi .

On Sep 30, 1:51 pm, Willy Makundi <wrlmaku...@aol.com> wrote:
> Well said Januari. Kwetu tunasema: "Kipfue kyekyenanza pfo" roughly paraphrased - "Togwa halilevyi"
>
> mchilyi7.0
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Magiri paul <kiga...@gmail.com>
> To: wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 9:15 am
> Subject: [wanabidii] Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
>
> Mbunge wa Bumbuli na Naibu waziri wa mawasiliano sayansi na teknolojia Mhe January Makamba amesema hana mpango wa kugombea Urais. Makamba aliyasema hayo wakati akihojiwa katika kipindi cha Makutano kinachoendeshwa na Fina Mango. Alisema anaamini nafasi ya urais inahitaji mtu ambaye amejiandaa Kisaikolojia, Kisiasa na Kifikra na kumalizia kwa kusema kuwa Urais sio uamuzi wa mtu mmoja kwa sababu nchi haiendeshwi na mtu mmoja na inahitaji watu ambao wanashauriana, kuandaa dira ya pamoja na kupeleka ujumbe wa kuwaunganisha Watanzania.http://wotepamoja.com/archives/7658#.UGfjbs08f84.gmail
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Re: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal

One can quicly figure out while the former PM visited Malawi resently when the discusion on the TZ Malawi issue was hot. I dont think this accumulate enough reasoning to solve the problem

--- On Sun, 9/30/12, Charles Banda <chasbanda@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Charles Banda <chasbanda@gmail.com>
Subject: [wanabidii] Lake belongs to Malawi, UK letters reveal
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 6:51 AM

As Malawi and Tanzania grapple with finding solutions to the Lake Malawi boundary wrangle, Downing Street memos on the issue during the Hastings Kamuzu Banda era we have seen build a strong case for Malawi.

The memos were written in the 1960s when the dispute first surfaced after then Tanzanian president Julius Nyerere wrote London, complaining about Banda's "expansionist" policy that was claiming the whole of Lake Malawi when, according to Tanzania, it was supposed to be shared equally.

Archived communication we have seen from Number 10 Downing Street—Britain's Prime Minister's office in London—asserts that Tanzania cannot apply international law to claim the lake.

"The present border between Malawi and Tanzania was first defined and described in Anglo-German Agreement of July 1 1890, which established the limits of the British and German spheres of influence in the area.

"By that agreement [and the Anglo-Portuguese Agreements of 1890-3], the whole of Lake Nyasa was deemed as belonging to the British sphere of influence and the border where it touched the lake, ran down the eastern shoreline," reads a 1969 internal Downing Street background note clarifying the border issue.

But Tanzania's position, as outlined recently by president Jakaya Kikwete, is that the Anglo-German Treaty of 1890 that gave Malawi the sole ownership of Lake Malawi was flawed and Tanzania has every reason to demand this to be corrected.

Kikwete, in his August end-of-the-month address to his country, said the Heligoland Treaty—the agreement between then colonial powers Germany and Britain—denies Tanzanians living on the shores of Lake Malawi "their given right to utilise proximate water and marine resources to earn their daily living".

Kikwete, according to a report in The Citizen newspaper of Tanzania published on September 2 2012, argued that the colonial treaty set an unfortunate precedent for Tanzanians yet, on the border between Malawi and Mozambique, boundaries were duly readjusted to give citizens of those countries equal rights of access.

He said the treaty is erroneous because it contravenes international law that requires States to share adjoining water resources.

The 1969 background note followed Nyerere's letter to British Prime Minister at the time, Harold Wilson, dated October 21 1968, in which he expressed concern that Malawi's president Banda had announced on September 16 1968 that he was putting patrol vessels on Lake Malawi.

Nyerere had claimed in his letter that the press reported that Britain was supplying three gun boats for that purpose.

He said Banda had also put a vessel on the lake fitted out with arms for him by the Portuguese.

An internal letter to a superior by a Downing Street official, a Mr. Waitland, attached to the background note, said:

"With reference to your letter to David Erighty of October 15, I enclose a redraft of the reply to President Nyerere's letter to the Prime Minister of September 24 about the border dispute between Malawi and Tanzania."

The letter made two landmark conclusions, the first one being:

"It is doubtful whether Tanzania's assertion—as expressed in paragraph 4 [four] of Nyerere's letter to the Prime Minister…that the boundary between the two countries is in the centre of Lake Malawi—could be sustained in law, since the principles of international law, to which Nyerere appeals, could hardly be applied, whereas in the Anglo-German Agreement of 1890 about this particular boundary, one of the riparian States concerned has agreed with the other that the lake lay outside its boundaries," reads the letter.

This position notwithstanding, the memo points out that it might be argued that the definitions of the agreement of 1890 are in terms of "spheres of influence and that these may not necessarily entail definitive territorial boundaries."

The second conclusion was "that the Tanzanians would have a stronger case for a redefinition of the boundary if they had based this on grounds not of international law, but of equity."

The communication we have seen further shows that the 1890 Anglo-German Agreement was maintained when the Protectorate of Nyasaland districts was formed in 1891 and also in 1893 when the protectorate was renamed British Central Africa and in 1907 when it was renamed again as the Nyasaland Protectorate.

According to the communication, when the British role was established in German East Africa and renamed Tanganyika after the treaty of Versailles in 1918, under mandate from the League of Nations, Tanganyika's border on Lake Nyasa on the eastern shoreline continued to be of the former German colony.

"This continued to be the case when the British mandate over Tanganyika was continued in the form of a United Nations Trusteeship," reads the communication.

In the documents, Britain also highlighted sources of confusion over lake's boundary.

"All the above territorial definitions rest on the terms of the Anglo-German Agreement of 1890, since subsequent Orders in Council, etc. have tended to describe the territories as "bounded by German East Africa" [for Malawi] and the "Nyasaland Protectorate" [for Tanzania]," says the communication.

It adds that further confusion arises out of German and British maps of the area which are inconsistent.

"The German maps of 1904 and 1913 show the boundary running along the eastern shore of the lake, but one of 1918 shows it as being the median of the lake. The Colonial Office Map Supplement of 1948 gives the border on the shoreline for its map of Nyasaland, and the middle of the lake for its Tanganyikan counterpart," reads the communication.

The most blatant error, according to the communication, is contained in the map included in the White Paper issued in 1953 on the conference on the Federation of Southern Rhodesia, Northern Rhodesia and Nyasaland, which shows the border running down the median of Lake Nyasa between Nyasaland and Tanganyika.

The Malawi-Tanzania border resurfaced this year following Capital Hill's licensing of a firm to explore oil on Lake Malawi.

Tanzania now wants a chunk of the water body, which led to negotiations—first in Tanzania then in Malawi last month. The talks were inconclusive.

Malawi now wants to take the matter to the UN International Court of Justice after the talks in Mzuzu last month failed to resolve the matter, according to Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation Minister Ephraim Chiume.

But Chancellor College international law expert, Dr. Mwiza Nkhata, said in an interview soon after the talks that the world court would not automatically decide on the matter because Tanzania did not give compulsory jurisdiction to the court on interpretation of treaties and questions on international law.

On the Tanzania side, the Mzuzu talks were led by Chiume's counterpart, Bernard Membe. That meeting resolved that they should try diplomacy to end the wrangle and that the Attorney Generals of the two countries should interpret Article 1 (2) (IV) of the Anglo-Germany Treaty.

The two countries were expected to meet in Tanzania this month for more talks.

But on Thursday this week, Information Minister Moses Kunkuyu said the meeting the two countries were scheduled to have this September have not yet taken place.

Kunkuyu said there is no latest development on the mater.

He supported the memo's content, saying it has been Capital Hill's conviction that the whole lake belongs to Malawi.

http://www.malawitoday.com/news/126723-lake-belongs-malawi-uk-letters-reveal

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Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

Basi nami sigombei urais, ala! Ha ha ha!

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From: ELISA MUHINGO <elisamuhingo@yahoo.com>

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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 12:03:57 -0700 (PDT)

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo

From: Yona F Maro <oldmoshi@gmail.com>
Subject: [wanabidii] Re: Sina Mpango Wa Kugombea Urais – January Makamba@ Makutano Show - Mwanzo
To: "Wanabidii" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Sunday, September 30, 2012, 3:54 AM

Kama angetangaza nie ningemshangaa sana , huyu kwa umri wake na ujuzi
wake bado ana njia ndefu ya kuijenga CCM pamoja na yeye mwenyewe , kwa
sasa hivi CCM waachiwe wanayoiweza ngoma ya urais kwa CCM ambao
wameshakitumikia chama kwa ufanisi mkubwa hata kama kwa nje
wanaonekana mafisadi au watu wasiotakiwa katika chama hicho na taifa
kwa ujumla lakini mchango wao unaonekana na hautofutika kiurahisi .

On Sep 30, 1:51 pm, Willy Makundi <wrlmaku...@aol.com> wrote:
> Well said Januari. Kwetu tunasema: "Kipfue kyekyenanza pfo" roughly paraphrased - "Togwa halilevyi"
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> Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 9:15 am
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> Mbunge wa Bumbuli na Naibu waziri wa mawasiliano sayansi na teknolojia Mhe January Makamba amesema hana mpango wa kugombea Urais. Makamba aliyasema hayo wakati akihojiwa katika kipindi cha Makutano kinachoendeshwa na Fina Mango. Alisema anaamini nafasi ya urais inahitaji mtu ambaye amejiandaa Kisaikolojia, Kisiasa na Kifikra na kumalizia kwa kusema kuwa Urais sio uamuzi wa mtu mmoja kwa sababu nchi haiendeshwi na mtu mmoja na inahitaji watu ambao wanashauriana, kuandaa dira ya pamoja na kupeleka ujumbe wa kuwaunganisha Watanzania.http://wotepamoja.com/archives/7658#.UGfjbs08f84.gmail
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Re: [wanabidii] ZITTO AROPOKWA TENA!!!

Cjaona mahali alipomdharau, Naona ni mtazamo wako tuu...

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Mugittu, Zephaniah,
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--- On Sun, 30/9/12, hkigwangalla@gmail.com <hkigwangalla@gmail.com> wrote:

From: hkigwangalla@gmail.com <hkigwangalla@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] ZITTO AROPOKWA TENA!!!
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, 30 September, 2012, 13:42

Mbilinyi, tuache siasa za kufanya dharau kwa amiri jeshi Mkuu wa nchi yetu aliyechaguliwa kwa ridhaa ya wananchi walio wengi! Tumpeni heshima yake tafadhali. Kama tumeshindwa kujadili hoja kwa heshima na taadhima basi tuache tu siyo kumtukana na kumdhalilisha JK kwa kuwa ni mpole na rahim!
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From: Gaston Mbilinyi <mbilinyi.gaston49@gmail.com>
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Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 08:06:23 +0300
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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] ZITTO AROPOKWA TENA!!!

HK,

Mimi nafikiri tumpe JK miaka mingine mitano au zaidi ya kuiongoza Tz maana ni kichwa au jembe zaidi ya Zitto aliye zaidi ya wote walio CDM na wote ndani ya ccm. Sijui hilo unalionaje?

Pengine ni vema nikukumbushe tu kuwa urais ni taasisi ambamo kuna yote, majembe; visu; vichwa; n.k. Ndio maana hata wewe wakati mwingine umeshuhudia mkorogano kati ya JK na Pinda au Katibu Mkuu Kiongozi au n.k.

Kwahiyo CDM hata tungemweka Ikulu Mh. Nassari au Zitto unayempenda kiushabiki wako mambo bado yataenda kwani hatakuwa peke yake kama ambavyo hatakuwa peke yake Zitto wako! Kama ameweza JK nani ataishindwa Ikulu?

On Saturday, September 29, 2012, wrote:
Nimefurahi kuona kauli ya Zitto imewaibua wachambuzi makini na ninaowaheshimu kama akina Bart, Kunyaranyara na Mgamba kuchangia.

I endorse Zitto si kwa sbb nyingine yoyote ile, wala si kwa sbb ni scholar mwenzangu wa Livingstone, ama ni mwenye historia ya kupitia students politics kama mimi, ni kwa sbb ninaamini ana uwezo mkubwa wa kuchambua mambo nafahamu kuna wengine mnamchukia kwa kuwa anawashinda uwezo watu mnaowataka ndani ya CDM na ndiyo maana mnaona kama anajivuna kwa kuwa ni maarufu kwa kutangaza nia yake mapema! Tukisema ukweli, Zitto ana akili sana kuliko wengi tu ndani ya CDM na yuko objective ila CDM hakuna demokrasia (jambo ambalo limewakimbiza wengi kutka CCM) kumbe bahati mbaya sana hata huko walikokimbilia NCCR (Kafulila), CUF (Hamad Rashid), CDM (Wangwe, Zitto na yule BAWACHA mama simkumbuki jina) hakuna demokrasia, inakuwa bora wangebaki tu huku huku CCM...!
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Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 02:40:19 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] ZITTO AROPOKWA TENA!!!

Nashukuru Mganda,

Nakubaliana na wewe kabisa kuwa miaka 20 ni mingi.

Uchanga wa CHADEMA haupo katika umri wa tangu kuandikishwa mpaka sasa bali upo katika utendaji kazi wa chama chenyewe kama taasisi kuu inayojengwa na taasisi ndogondogo ndani yake. Vyama vingi vya upinzani Tanzania, licha ya kuandikishwa na kuruhusiwa kuanza kufanya kazi, kwa miaka mingi havikuweza kufanya kazi kama vyama. Hiyo, kwanza ilichangiwa na mazingira magumu waliyowekewa na CCM na serikali, na pili ni matatizo ya ndani ya vyama vyenyewe ambapo vingi viliendeshwa kama vikundi vya shughuli binafsi.

Ni kutokana na uchanga huo, ndiyo maana baadhi ya waanzilishi wa vyama hivi , mpaka leo, bado wanaviona kama ni mali zao ambapo kila mmoja ana hisa zake, na hivyo anaweza kuziondoa wakati anapotaka. Nimewahi kumsikia hata Zitto, mara kadhaa akisema kuwa yeye ni kati ya waanzilishi wa CHADEMA, na kuna wakati akiwataja wengine waliokuja baadaye. Hakusema kama wazi kama hiyo kuwa mwanachama mwanzilishi na mwanachama 'wa kuja' inakuwa na utofauti gani katika haki za uwanachama lakini ukimsikiliza kwa makini utaelewa anataka kusema nini. Huo ndiyo ninauita uchanga wa chama kama taasisi, ambapo watu bado wanakiona chama kwa sura za watu.

Miaka kadhaa iliyopita tulimwona Bwana Lyatonga akiingia na kutoka katika vyama kadhaa na kundi lake la watu. Kwenye hali hiyo, ni kwamba wale hawakuwa wanachama wa vyama bali wanachama wa Lyatonga.

Bart

From: RICHARD MGAMBA <rmgamba2000@yahoo.com>
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] ZITTO AROPOKWA TENA!!!

Bart,

Kwanza karibu, maana umepotea sana. Chadema kina miaka 20 sasa tangu kisajiliwe rasmi mwaka 1992, na ninadhani kimeanza kukomaa. Kuna hatari pia ya chama kuwa kikongwe sana eti kikikua na kukomaa—kwani mwishowe huwa sugu kama KANU, CCM na vinginevyo.

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