Re: [wanabidii] Re: URAIS 2015 - UDHAIFU WA DR W P SLAA

Ukimkimbiza chizi, watu wenye akili watashindwa kuelewa chizi ni yupi kati yenu.  Mwacheni huyo Mabadiliko.

On Sep 3, 2014 2:41 PM, "'shumbusho kaijanante' via Wanabidii" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Tuna wajibu sisi tulio na angalau uelewa kidogo(sana kwa baadhi yetu) juu ya nchi yetu kuwajuza Watanzania wenzetu walio wengi, wasiojua tulipo na tunapoelekea, wasiojua siasa ina nafasi gani katika maisha yao ya kila siku, wasiojua aina ya kiongozi tunaotaka kwa sasa na alivyo na mahusiano na maisha ya kila Mtanzania, kuwajuza Watanzania wasioweza kuchambua hoja au kubishana kwa hoja au kujenga hoja dhabiti kwa ajili ya taifa letu, hivyo kubaki kujadili mambo binafsi ya mtu, hii tabia imeibuka kwa kasi, si sahihi kwasababu tukianza kusema kila mmoja wetu toka ajitambue na tutafute ndugu na marafiki zake watuambie aliyokwishafanya huko nyuma (mtaani, shule zote alizopita, kwenye starehe, kwa nyumba za ibada nk) hakuna atakayebaki salama. Kama alivyosema ndugu yangu Balile tujadili uwezo wa mtu kwa ajili ya taifa hili, na kama kweli ana tufaa kipindi hiki. Ni kweli kabisa tunahitaji Kiongozi thabiti ..... Tuna mambo mengi mazuri ya kujadili kwa ajili ya mustakabari wa taifa hili kwa ajili ya kutusaidia sisi na kizazi kijacho, tujielekeze huko kimjadala, tuumize vichwa katika kutafuta majibu, tuache mambo yasio ya msingi, tujiulize tunahitaji kiongozi gani? awe na sifa gani? Akitajwa mtu basi tumjadili kama kiongozi juu ya utendaji wake kulingana na historia yake. 

Ndugu zangu watanzania tulikotoka, tulipo, tunapoelekea, na aina ya watu tulionao hususani viongozi tulionao ni nani anayeweza kutusaidia kutuongoza kwa weledi ili tuone mabadiliko zaidi kwa ajili ya nchi yetu. Ndio kizungumkuti kilichopo vichwani mwa sisi watanzania wengi wenye uelewa wa kati. 

Mungu ibariki Tanzania 

 

On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:45 PM, 'malosha zephania edward' via Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com> wrote:

kama hunautafiti kuhusu chochote nadhani si sawa kutoa matokeo ni vema ukatafiti kwanza ndipoi useme.

kwamba Dr. Slaa hana kingine zaidi ya upadre na Ubunge una maanisha nini? unaposema hankingine?

Shule, mke, watoto, ndugu, hajaandika kitabu, hajaajiliwa kwingine?

Afadhari ndugu yangu kwa kumjibu au kumfahamisha Mapadre wanachoma unadhani ni kama wengine ambao wanatoka kwenye ugali na kuanza kuhubiri?

Nadhani Magobe kaeleza vyema. Mwenye kusikia na asikie labda liwe sikio la kufa

On Sunday, 3 August 2014, 14:12, misangocharles via Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Rashid wala usishangae baadhi ya watanzania  uwezo wetu wa kuchambua mambo muhimu ni mdogo kazi umbea na mambo ya mtu binafsi
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Vodacom Tanzania

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Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: URAIS 2015 - UDHAIFU WA DR W P SLAA

Wadau!

Kujadili watu hakutupeleki popote. Na huyo anayeleta point za kujadili watu either amechoka au ametumwa kuwachafua watu. Watanzania hatujawa wapumbavu kiasi cha kukubali point za watu kirahisi hivyo.

Binafsi watu watoe mijadala ya nini kinaisibu nchi yetu. Issue gan zinaumiza taifa hili alafu mda wa uchaguzi ukifika watakao jitokeza tutawapima kwa sera za vyama vyao na maneno yao katika kutatua issue za taifa. Tuache kujadili watu.
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'Deodatus Balile' via Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>Sijui nitasema mara ngapi kueleweka.
>
>Narudia tusijadili watu, bali malengo yao. Wanapanga kuifanyia nini nchi wakishinda?
>
>Balile
>Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on the Tigo Tanzania Network
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joseph Ludovick <josephludovick@gmail.com>
>Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:35:19
>To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>Reply-To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: URAIS 2015 - UDHAIFU WA DR W P SLAA
>
>he he he
>
>On 8/2/14, hosea.ndaki@gmail.com <hosea.ndaki@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Magobe, kwa udadisi tu, kwa hiyo kwenye upadre kuna specialization? Na kama
>> ipo ni fani gani zilizopo?
>>
>>  ----------
>> Sent from my Nokia phone
>>
>> ------Original message------
>> From: Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com>
>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2014 7:55:41 PM GMT+0300
>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: URAIS 2015 - UDHAIFU WA DR W P SLAA
>>
>> Rejea post yangu. Nilisema nimeandika kwa "uchache", which means kuna
>> mengine sikuyaandika. Kuna lecturer wetu mmoja (priest) alikuwa
>> anatufundisha structures of world economics, mwingine alikuwa psychiatrist,
>> mwingene alikuwa ethicist and member of the UK ethics board, mwingine
>> anthropologist, mwingine alikuwa civil engineer, etc.
>>
>>
>> 2014-08-02 19:42 GMT+03:00 <hosea.ndaki@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Magobe, vipi kuhusu macro economics, fiscal policy, international
>>> financing na public financing hawasomi haya.
>>>
>>>  ----------
>>> Sent from my Nokia phone
>>>
>>> ------Original message------
>>> From: Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com>
>>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2014 11:30:48 AM GMT+0300
>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: URAIS 2015 - UDHAIFU WA DR W P SLAA
>>>
>>> 1. Mawazo mfu kweli kweli! Dr Slaa hajawahi kufukuzwa upadre, ila aliacha
>>> upadre na kama alifuata process ya 'laicisation' anaishi kama mlei kwa
>>> maana kwamba hayuko tena kwenye 'active ministry'.
>>> 2. Masomo ya upadre ni 'comprehensive' - yana'incorcoporate' taaluma
>>> nyingi
>>> kiasi kwamba padre anakuwa almost 'all knowing' kuhusu mambo mbalimbali
>>> ya
>>> jamii na namna yanavyoenda.
>>> 3. Kwa kukupa kwa uchache: masomo anayosoma padre ni pamoja na: logic,
>>> epistemology, philosophical ethics, moral theology, public speaking
>>> (homiletics), political philosophy, philosophy of social sciences,
>>> cultural
>>> and social anthropology, philosophy of languages, counselling,
>>> psychology,
>>> sociology, a history of philosophy, systematic philosophy, theology,
>>> exegesis (hermeneutics), environmental theology, contextual theology,
>>> liberation theology, interpretation of cultures, world religions, canon
>>> law
>>> & civil law, bioethics (+ medical ethics), economic theology, book
>>> keeping,
>>> genetic engineering, sexual ethics, human rights, etc. Haya ni baadhi tu
>>> na
>>> siyo yote mapadre wanayojifunza na wanajifunza haya at least kwa miaka 10
>>> bila kuweka miaka mingine ya specialisation kwa wale ambao wanaendelea
>>> kusoma MA & PhD.
>>> 4. Hivyo, padre si kama wewe - amebobea kwelikweli na anaweza kuongea na
>>> mtu wa aina yoyote bila kubabaika yawe mambo ya siasa, jamii, uchumi,
>>> utamaduni, dini nk. Kuna baadhi ya mapadre wana'specialise' kwenye mambo
>>> ya
>>> lugha, uchumi, sayansi, siasa, sheria, Uislamu, dini za asili, ICT,
>>> umeme,
>>> mimea, kilimo, mazingira, ukimwi, utamaduni, muziki, udaktari wa binadamu
>>> (medicine),uandishi wa habari, utangazaji wa TV au radio, haki za
>>> binadamu,
>>> uhusiano wa kimataifa, etc. Pamoja na haya yote padre anafanya pia kozi
>>> fupifupi (miezi 9 hadi mwaka 1) kulingana na mahitaji ya sehemu
>>> anakofanya
>>> kazi kila mara muda wote anapokuwa kwenye 'active ministry'.
>>> 5. Unaweza pia kutembelea link hii:
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_cleric%E2%80%93scientists
>>> ili kuona kwamba kuwa padre si kuwa tu padre ni zaidi ya kile watu
>>> wanachofikiri au dhani.
>>> 5. Kutokana na haya yote, Dr Slaa ana uwezo ama sawa na wanasiasa wengine
>>> au zaidi yao kwa maana kwamba yeye anaelewa mambo mengi zaidi na namna ya
>>> kuyachanganua.
>>> 6. Kwa hiyo, siyo sahihi kabisa kumbeza kwa sababu huna ground yoyote ya
>>> kufanya hivyo.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-08-02 9:05 GMT+03:00 <hosea.ndaki@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> > Muganda, kati ya mbowe na kingunge yupi akiingia ikulu atawatumikia
>>> > wananchi ipasavyo? Katika nchi masikini kama yetu tunahitaji kiongozi
>>> > mwenye uwezo na nguvu ya kusimamia maendeleo yetu.
>>> >
>>> >  ----------
>>> > Sent from my Nokia phone
>>> >
>>> > ------Original message------
>>> > From: Emmanuel Muganda <emuganda@gmail.com>
>>> > To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>> > Date: Friday, August 1, 2014 2:14:20 PM GMT-0400
>>> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: URAIS 2015 - UDHAIFU WA DR W P SLAA
>>> >
>>> > Ronald Reagan aligombea urais akiwa na umri wa miaka 72. Hillary
>>> > Clinton
>>> > hivi sasa ni 68 na ndiye front runner miongoni mwa Demokrats na hakuna
>>> > aliyemwambia
>>> > \wenzake wamestaafu. Let jingine.
>>> > em
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2014-08-01 11:39 GMT-04:00 Juma Mzuri <jumamzuri@gmail.com>:
>>> >
>>> > > Umesahau moja , ana umri wa miaka zaidi ya 60 yaani wenzake
>>> > wameshastaafu .
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Friday, August 1, 2014 6:27:50 PM UTC+3, MABADILIKO CHADEMA wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Alifukuzwa Upadre wa Kanisa Katoliki
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Ni kinganganizi mfano aliposhindwa kwenye kura za maoni
>>> mwaka
>>> > >> 1995 jimboni karatu akakimbilia CHADEMA
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Alibadilisha Katiba ya CHADEMA kuhusu ukomo wa madaraka
>>> > >> ili
>>> > >> awe madarakani Milele na chaguzi zisifanyike
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Ametekeleza Mke wa kwanza na watoto mpaka ameshtakiwa
>>> > >> mahakamani
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Mchumba ake wa sasa ni Mke wa Mtu .
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Ana ulemavu mkono mmoja , alipata ajali mwaka 2010
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Ni mtu mwenye hasira na mropokaji hovyo .
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Hajawahi kufuta kauli ya kutomtambua Rais Jakaya Mrisho
>>> > >> Kikwete
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Hana historia nyingine ya kitaaluma zaidi ya Upadre na
>>> Ubunge
>>> > .
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Hashiriki Mchezo wowote .
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -         Amejikopesha mamilioni ya CHADEMA
>>> > >>
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