Huo utamaduni wa kuhoji kila tunachokifanya tutaupata wapi? Bahati mbaya sio kwa elimu yetu ya bongo tuliyoizoea, na badala yake, hasa kwa wale wenye nafasi, KASOMENI FALSAFA, na atakayeweza kuisoma hadi kwenye ngazi ya degree, mtaniambia, kama malumbano ya namna hii yatakuwepo, ila kwa asilimia 40 hadi 60, ya watakaosoma Falsafa hawatarudi kukumbatia imani zao kama walivyo leo hii. Ukibahatika kupata waalimu wazuri, mwishoni, utaishia kuongoka kiakili (intellectually converted), kiasi kwamba hutakuwa mtu wa kumeza kila jambo unaloambiwa hata na yale uliyoyakuta kwa vile kimsingi, Falsafa ya kweli, iliyofundishwa kwa ustadi na umakini, inamfanya mtu kuwa "radical and shrewd to him/herself and the society that surrounds him/her. Thanks to God that I did, and I can humbly say, I am not a 'slave' to any religion but happily, a Christian.
Indeed, the art of philosophical thinking is typically reflected in the political life of the late J. K. Nyerere, Kwame Nkrumah, and the like. Today, it is so unfortunate that Philosophy as a discipline of thought it is best taught within the religious institutions, particularly, the Roman Catholic. But currently, interested individuals/common people can study Philosophy from the Catholic University of Eastern and Central Africa (CUEA), Nairobi. Again, it is owned by the Catholic Church, East and Central African Chapter.
Indeed, the art of philosophical thinking is typically reflected in the political life of the late J. K. Nyerere, Kwame Nkrumah, and the like. Today, it is so unfortunate that Philosophy as a discipline of thought it is best taught within the religious institutions, particularly, the Roman Catholic. But currently, interested individuals/common people can study Philosophy from the Catholic University of Eastern and Central Africa (CUEA), Nairobi. Again, it is owned by the Catholic Church, East and Central African Chapter.
I wish you can all study philosophy, and more so, I wish if all our political leaders could have a glimpse on philosophy! Whatever they are doing now, they would do it differently. BUT watch out, philosophy is not the solution to everything, it can do you the opposite, like what is happening to the Western Societies, they were exposed to philosophy, and they did, and many had the opportunity to study philosophy, but when you compare these societies against their practice(s) in religion, you all know the answer! Literally, most of the so called churches or prayer houses, have today being converted into business centers! So, when philosophy is not taught with care, you can be sure of this, 'creation of a society that does not fear GOD' because philosophy exposes a person into so many paradigms of thoughts, and when these paradigms of thought are not harmonized, it is very easy to be confused. Basically, philosophy seeks to strengthen our understanding of God, and the climax is attained when someone becomes a Metaphysician or Philosopher of Philosophers. In order to avoid possible confusion, that is why, a study of philosophy ought to go parallel with the study of Ethics - in its two dimension, first, ethics as a philosophy and secondly, as a practice.
And by the way, each religion has its own philosophy, starting from Catholicism/Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Buddhism and so on! Each of these presents a paradigm of thought and so are their respective philosophers. And, the moment one is a philosopher, there is no higher or a lesser philosopher, but we are all philosopher, but the degree of philosophical activity in us, is different and is in our religions. There is no good or bad religion. They are one in the sense that the essence of all religions is to lead believers into a Supernatural Being - I call him "GOD - I AM WHO I AM", others call him Allah, Ngai, Mungu, Yahweh, and so forth!
2013/11/12 Kilasara Fratern <kilasara.fratern@gmail.com>
--2013/11/12 mngonge <mngonge@gmail.com>
Hoja ya mwanzo ilikuwa Dkt Kitila kujibu tuhuma zilizo kwenye waraka wa kughushi. Katika majibu yake akataja neno "msaafu". Bwana Juma Mzuri akaibuka na thread hii mpya ya kukashifu uislam kwa kulitaja neno hilo. Kwa mantiki hiyo hoja iliyo mezani kwa sasa ni Kitila kukashifu uislam kwa kuutaja msaafu mahala pasipo pake. Hii imetuondoa kwenye mjadala wenyewe na kuanza kujadili hayo mapya. Upo hapo ndugu Maurice Oduor? Tatizo hapa ni tafsiri ya neno msaafu na namna linavyoweza kutumika kwa namna tofauti.Kwa vile wewe ni mzee wa lugha ni vyema ukajaribu kumuelimisha ndugu Juma Mzuri namna ya kutumia neno hilo
--2013/11/12 jabir yunus <jabirgood@yahoo.com>
JADILIANENI kila kinachoingia. Mkiruka kwa sababu hamkuridhika na kilicholetwa, hamtapiga hatua mbele. Hata kama kaleta nani, angalieni kilicholetwa kinawezekana? Kina maana yoyote? Humu ndani ni nyinyi mnaoingiza na kutoa mada. Ni miongoni mwenu mnapata vitu nje ya humu mkavileta. Tatizo liko wapi? Hasa kama mtu anasema kaleta humu kutoka wapi.
Khs hoja hii mpya ya kumeza kama unasoma Msahafu, mtu aulize mantiki inayopatikana kutokana na kauli hii. Ukidharau bila ya kujua hoja ni nini, unaendeleza ujinga. Hutaki kujua. Na kama unajua kuwa ipo hoja ila unajaribu kuizima, huo ni ubinafsi na pengine unalenga kuona ukweli unafichika. Elimu ina maana ya kupanua uwezo wako katika kufikiri ili unapotenda uwe unajua athari za utakavotenda.
Natoka.
Jabir+
On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:41 AM, Maggid Mjengwa <mjengwamaggid@gmail.com> wrote:
Maggid.Ndugu zangu,Ni hatari sana pale tunapojaribu kutafsiri kauli kwa jinsi tunavyotaka sisi itafsirike. Ndugu Juma Mzuri anatoa tafsiri yake ambayo siamini kabisa kuwa ndio ilikuwa dhamira ya aliyetoa kauli husika. Katika wakati huu na tuwe makini katika kuyatafsiri mambo na hasa yanapohusu imani. Yumkini tunaweza kuchangia kupandikiza chuki na mifarakano badala ya kuleta upendo na utengamano.
2013/11/11 barikieli israel <manimo1981@yahoo.co.in>
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From: Vincent Mhangwa <vmhangwa@gmail.com>
To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:20:50 PM GMT+0300
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KITILA MKUMBO AUKASHIFU MSAHAFU
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>Kwa lugha ya Kiingreza, Msahafu ni "Holy Book"
On 11 November 2013 21:42, Thomas Joseph <nkarangot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jamani hivi maana ya msaafu mini. Lambda tukianzia hapo ndo twaweza
> kugundua pengine neno hili linajumlisha vitabu vingi zaifi ya Koran tu.
>
>
> ------------------------------
> * From: * matinyi <matinyi@hotmail.com>;
> * To: * <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>;
> * Subject: * Re: [wanabidii] KITILA MKUMBO AUKASHIFU MSAHAFU
> * Sent: * Mon, Nov 11, 2013 4:42:04 PM> ------------------------------
>
> Juma Mzuri si mwislamu. Angalieni alivyoandika neno Quran. Kaandika
> Quruan. Kama ni mtu aweke picha yake hapa.
>
>
> From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: salum mkango <salumkango@yahoo.com>
> Date: 11/11/2013 7:35 PM (GMT+03:00)
> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KITILA MKUMBO AUKASHIFU MSAHAFU
>
>
> Namuunga mkono Juma Mzuri katika hili suala la kutolea mfano wanaosoma
> msahafu eti wanameza tu bila kuhoji kitu. Si kweli. Msahafu umeandikwa kwa
> lugha ya kiarabu na kutafsiriwa kwa kiswahili na kuweka ufafanuzi wa kila
> aya kwa lugha ya kiswahili. Bwana Mkubo aombe radhi kwa dharau aliyoionesha
> dhidi ya wanaosoma msahafu.
>
> Bwana Mkumbo ajue kwamba Mwl. anapofundisha darasani mfano anaoutoa una
> impact kubwa sana katika kueleweka kwa somo lake. Kama ukitoa mfano mbaya,
> wanafunzi watauelewa kwa maana mbaya kama ulivyokusudia.
>
> Tuweni makini katika kutoa mifano yetu. Tuepuke kugusa imani za wengine.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:04 PM, Reginald Miruko <
> rsmiruko@gmail.com> wrote:
> Huyu anachemka tu
>
> RSM
>
>
> On 11 November 2013 14:02, <gm26may@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yeye mwenyewe ndio aliyeleta huo waraka na yeye mwisho kaja na kichwa cha
> habari kuukandia huo waraka
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on the Tigo Tanzania Network
> *From: * Monica Malle <moninaike@hotmail.com>
> *Sender: * wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:54:06 +0000
> *To: *Wanabidii googlegroup<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
> *ReplyTo: * wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *RE: [wanabidii] KITILA MKUMBO AUKASHIFU MSAHAFU> ------------------------------
>
> Kweli hizo ni chokochoko mtu katoa mfano tuu mara ohhh udini hii
> inaonyesha kuna watu wako macho kutafuta kitu kidogo ili waendeleze udini
> wao wacha hizo Bwana Juma Mzuri unatafuta visababu vya kuingiza hisia zako
> za chuki kwa dini nyingine. Jifunze kupambanua na kusoma katikati ya
> mistari ili uelewe
> (read between the lines)
>
> ------------------------------
> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KITILA MKUMBO AUKASHIFU MSAHAFU
> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> From: fatma_elia@yahoo.com
> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:35:21 +0000
>
> Juma
>
> Hizi nazo ni chokochoko nyingine unazotaka kuzianzisha. Uislamu wako upi
> uliokashifiwa hapa? Hebu chuki nyingine fanyeni kwa siri sio bayana kiasi
> hiki
>
> Fatma
> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on the Tigo Tanzania Network
> *From: *Juma Mzuri <jumamzuri@gmail.com>
> *Sender: *wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> *Date: *Mon, 11 Nov 2013 01:58:16 -0800 (PST)
> *To: *<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
> *ReplyTo: *wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *[wanabidii] KITILA MKUMBO AUKASHIFU MSAHAFU> *iv) Ni vizuri tukajenga utamaduni wa kuhoji mambo badala ya kuyameza kana
>
> NIMEKASIRISHWA SANA NA UFAFANUZI WA KITILA MKUMBO, KWAKUUKASHIFU UISLAMU
> KWA KUTILIA MFANO KUWA WATU WAZIMEZESHWE MANENO KAMA MSAHAFU, YAANI HASIRA
> ZAKE AMEONA AZIMALIZIE KWENYE QURUAN SI PENGINE, KWELI HUYU JAMAA ANACHUKI
> NA UISLAMU, MKUMBO ACHA CHUKI NA UISLAMU NA HUO UFAFANUZI
>
> siasa kinazo ambazo ni za hatari hata itolewe hongo kama hiyo? *
> kwamba tunasoma msaafu. Hivi huyo mtu anayemhonga Zitto bilioni mbili
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