Tuesday, 28 May 2013

Re: [wanabidii] English Pronunciation

Malima,

We East Africans still have the best pronunciations when it comes to English. The others are really terrible sometimes; West Africans, the Arabs in the North, the Southern Africans etc. can not really compete with us in E Africa. Plus we have the added advantage of having a common language, Kiswahili. That's something no region in Africa has.

Courage


On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:24 AM, James Malima <james.malima@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahahahahaaa! Thank you Maurice. I started the day by laughing and you are the reason.

Be blessed brother.

James.

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On 28 Mei 2013, at 8:30, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:

Malima,

Actually Uhuru speaks very good English. When he speaks, one can not tell that he's from the Kikuyu background.

Other wise he would be saying:

Ko-a-ri-chon  instead of  Ko-o-li-shon   (for Coalition)

Ela  instead of  E-ra  (for  Era)

or even  Gu-ngu-ru  instead of  Guu-g-l  (for Google)

Courage




On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:17 AM, James Malima <james.malima@gmail.com> wrote:
Maurice, thank you for the reply. I am happy the way you put it but to be honest, as you complitely kill the A and use the O instead, it might sound good to you but for us English learners, your dialect really disturbs the language test. Not only Kenyans who are good at that, Nigerians are even worse. That is the power of dialect. President Uhuru Kenyatta was NOT to be blaimed if that is the case. He put it the way he wanted and the message was clear.

Again, his English is very classic. I got the reason from you last night on your post.

Thanks.

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On 28 Mei 2013, at 1:52, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:

 
Malima,

I agree with you. I'm trying the best pronunciation possible using Kiswahili as a base. Of course it's difficult to get it using Kiswahili alone but unfortunately, Kiswahili is what we're most familiar with.

For example: Coalition  It's pronounced such that the O in SHON  part of  KO-O-LI-SHON  is really some very subtle sound between A and O; so subtle that  A  is almost silent and therefore O is good enough when using Kiswahili as a base.

At this point, I think we all feel better. Sivyo kaka ?

Courage


On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 6:40 PM, James Malima <james.malima@gmail.com> wrote:
Maurice,

When you go to phonetic trancription, I assure you that you are also wrong on how you want the word to be pronounced. I can only excuse you if you agree with me that you put it a Kenyan way but NOT a British or American way. "Coalition" co·a·li·tion
[koh-uh-lish-uh n]


I also feel better now.

James.

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On 28 Mei 2013, at 0:30, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:

Excuse my typographical errors in the preceding mail. I've now corrected them here. I have to follow my own rules.


Anna,

I can not excuse Uhuru because he attended university in Boston, US. Also, he attended St Mary's School in Nairobi, a school of multimillionaire and billionaire kids where English was the only language the kids spoke. They did not even speak Swahili or any ethnic language in that school. I could have excused any other politician in Kenya but not Uhuru.

Let me take this opportunity to add another word that I've heard Uhuru utter in the past:

The word is        COALITION

He said:              Ko-a-li-shon

He should have said:      Ko-o-li-shon

Now I feel better.

Courage


On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
Anna,

I can not excuse Uhuru because he attended university in Boston, US. Also, he attended St Mary's School in Nairobi, a schools of multimillionaire and billionaire kids where English was the only language the kids spoke. They did not even speak Swahili or ant ethnic language in that school. I could have excused any other politician in Kenya but not Uhuru.

Let me take this opportunity to add another word that I've heard Uhuru utter in the past:

The word is        COALITION

He said:              Ko-a-li-shon

He should have said:      Ko-o-li-shon

Now I feel better.

Courage







On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 5:03 PM, anna nyanga <luguanna@yahoo.com> wrote:
My teacher, but President Uhuru did not do english degree, he only used english as media of instruction!
Probabily he does not have e only i hahaha!

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Subject: [wanabidii] English Pronunciation

I don't want to come across here as being pedantic but I heard  President Uhuru Kenyatta say something that I can't excuse. Uhuru attended university in Boston and has no excuse to mispronounce such a simple English word. He was giving a speech at the AU conference in Addis.

He wanted to pronounce the word  ERA

He said (I'm using Swahili as base for pronunciation):  i-ra

He should have said:  e-ra

Thank you.

Courage
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