Dear Rashid,
Just as I said to Ayman, please pay attention to how English is used here because a lot is lost when you focus on non-essentilas or you lose the focus of a communication. Please let me clarify:
1. By compulsion, I did not mean that the man was compelled to become a muslim. What I said was, THE MAN WAS COMPELLED TO SWEAR. Is this not compulsion? Gabriel did choose what to say, he was led to swear this is compulsion and when you make someone swear in disregard of the person's volition, that is making a vow under duress. You realize that at a point, he couldn't repeat exactly what he was told to say- rasoosoolulah he said bismilahi- this is clear evidence that the man was not himself-i.e he was not thinking straight. Whatever happened to this guy can happen to anyone especially in a high powered congregation such as that one. Many people are overwhelmed by emotions when the cameras are directed at them.
2. Please could respond to the Issue of swearing in people to make a decision? In Christianity from which you Muslims model almost all your evangelisation including public rallies- when we lead anyone to Christ Jesus, we ask them to pray and invite Jesus in their lives and we never ask the person to swear. Please I would like you to comment on this. For those who are reading this, I would like to point out that Islam as super religion-the best among the best of religions- is LEGALISTIC TO THE CORE and there is no ounce of GRACE. Grace is undeserved favour granted to a sinner from God through Jesus Christ.
3. Did you realize that the guy replicated exactly what he used to know when he was a christian? Could you please point to me in the Quran where an individual sins are forgiven at reciting the shahada? Whop forgives these sins? What sins was Gabriel being forgiven? How did the preacher come to a conclusion that Gabriel was a sinner? Did Gabriel confess to be a sinner? Please I would like these questions answered.
You made an inquiry, as to whether it was true that St. Paul explained the Crucifixion of Jesus (Isa) in his own way, My answer to this question is yes and No.
1.First, yes because Paul was an apostle of Jesus Christ who met the resurrected Jesus on his way to Damascus to persecute the Christians. He was a Pharisee himself knowledgeable in matters of the Law and Religion per-excellence! So when he wrote about the death of Jesus, he was speaking and writing about what he had witnessed with his own eyes. Paul Himself may not have met Jesus Christ while Jesus was alive because many of the religious leaders sought to see him but they couldn't.Even those who went to arrest Jesus did not him and sought the services of Judas Iscariot to show them and that is why he told those who going to arrest Jesus him Mathew 26
47 While He was still speaking, behold, Judas, one of the twelve, came up [l]accompanied by a large crowd with swords and clubs, who came from the chief priests and elders of the people. 48 Now he who was betraying Him gave them a sign, saying, "Whomever I kiss, He is the one; seize Him." 49 Immediately Judas went to Jesus and said, "Hail, Rabbi!" and kissed Him. 50 And Jesus said to him, "Friend, do what you have come for." Then they came and laid hands on Jesus and seized Him.
The above passage shows that Paul was just the same as these guys here who did not who Jesus was. Another person was Herod the King who sought to see him but could not. Here Jesus himself point to the same fact I am positing above that many did not know him and could not identify who He was because he was not as famous as Prophet Mohammad. He lived among the poor, his company was ex-fishermen, tax collectors and all people who lived on the peripheries of society. How could he meet a mad man living in the grave yard if he didn't visit those areas? How could he meet lepers when lepers were excluded and isolated from the public?
55 At that time Jesus said to the crowds, "Have you come out with swords and clubs to arrest Me as you would against a robber? Every day I used to sit in the temple teaching and you did not seize Me. 56 But all this has taken place to fulfill the Scriptures of the prophets." Then all the disciples left Him and fled.
For example, I know Uhuru Kenyatta but I have never met him in person. Just because I have never met Uhuru Kenyatta in person does not deny me the right of talking and even writing about him especially if I can find what he says recorded anywhere.
Secondly, the answer to you question above is NO because Paul wrote about the death of Jesus Christ basing his writing on the Scriptures as he and other Jewish believer knew.
Lastly remember, the Islamic believer in the video said Jesus told his disciples to buy a sword. Now let me say again here, you Muslim brother do us a great disservice when you pull out the scriptures out of context and you wrongly interpret them the same way you interpret the Quran. The Bible is not a book of holy verses. It is a library of Books written by human beings who were sinners but inspired by God to write what they did. Your Holy Quran just fell down in caves to Prophet Mohammad while he was alone hence the revelation becomes subjective.
Now look at what that scripture about the sword says
1 "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has [d]demanded permission to sift you like wheat; 32 but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers." 33 But he said to Him, "Lord, with You I am ready to go both to prison and to death!" 34 And He said, "I say to you, Peter, the rooster will not crow today until you have denied three times that you know Me."
35 And He said to them, "When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?" They said, "No, nothing." 36 And He said to them, "But now, [e]whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and [f]whoever has no sword is to sell his [g]coat and buy one. 37 For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, 'And He was numbered with transgressors'; for that which refers to Me has its [h]fulfillment." 38 They said, "Lord, look, here are two swords." And He said to them, "It is enough.
Why was Jesus telling his disciples to do this? Was he commanding them to take swords and use them to kill?. Was he asking them to defend him using swords? The answers to my questions above are NO. Why? Jesus was preparing His disciples for the next phase of life without him. He knew he was going to be killed and he was telling his Disciples that while he was with them that He provided for them while he was with them but when he dies, they will need to fend for themselves. The disciples of Jesus were just human beings who were also insecure and Jesus had protected them against many things including drowning in the sea of Galilee. Now according to the above scripture, Jesus was fulfilling the prophesies as HE HIMSELF QUOTES verse 37 above. Now let us see what Christ intended to teach His disciples about the sword. Read
51 And behold, one of those who were with Jesus [m]reached and drew out his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and [n]cut off his ear. 52 Then Jesus *said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve [o]legions of angels? 54 How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?"
The Lord Jesus did not ask His disciple to buy swords and use them to kill. He actually wanted to teach them that it is not by Might nor by or by the sword"Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,' says the Lord of hosts. 7 'What are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain; and he will bring forth the top stone with shouts of "Grace, grace to it!"'" And in Psalm 44:3 we are told that not by the sword but by God's Spirit. It was not by their sword that they won the land, nor did their arm bring them victory; it was your right hand, your arm, and the light of your face, for you loved them.I am not among the People who believe that Islam was spread by the sword that is a great lie and it is also folly for this guy to say that this is what we Christians teach.
I hope I have comprehensively answered your question.
Paul
From: Ali Rashid <kakaali200096@yahoo.com>
To: uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [uchunguzionline] Re: [Kiswahili] Christianity is just but a selfish theory
Ndugu Paul
It is 'dialogue' not 'clash'. It is to meet the Islamic preacher online, just go ahead.
Let there be no compulsion in Religion:
For the truth stands out dinstinct from error.
-Holy Quran 2:256 -----------------....BUT MOST OF THE MANKIND STILL DO NOT KNOW (HOLY QURAN 12:40).------------
NDUGU PAUL , Iam a Layman and not a specialist, May i learn from you.Just an inquiry, Is it true that St. Paul explained the Crucifixion of Jesus (Isa) in his own way ? Ali On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 9:48 AM PST Paul Liyai wrote:
>Dear Ali,
>I can see you are trying very hard but I tell you one thing, God is my Witness, Jesus is the Son of God and no matter what this American man says, I will always abide in Him. This man tells Gabriel to Swear, what does the Bible say? Mathew 5
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>33 "Again, you have heard that [ag]the ancients were told, '[ah]You shall not [ai]make false vows, but shall fulfill your [aj]vows to the Lord.' 34 But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is the footstool of His feet, or [ak]by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you make an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let your statement be, 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no'; anything beyond these is [al]of evil.
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>What religion is this that compels people to swear? The man says he studied Koine Greek BUT he knows nothing in Greek. I wish one day I will meet such a preacher of Islam then we can look at the Bible. It is only Christianity that has the word redemption, salvation Faith, by Grace.
>This Grace comes from Jesus' death on the Cross. What we are talking about is what we know.
>Wish you well. I asked you people to give a name of one Muslim who has fulfilled all the requirements of the Sharia as in the Quran. You have not done so. Steve I wish you well in your search for the truth. Jesus said seek ye the truth and ye shall find it.
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>Paul.
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>> From: Ali Rashid <kakaali200096@yahoo.com>
>>To: "Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com" <Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com>; uchunguzionline yahoogroups <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 5:32 PM
>>Subject: [uchunguzionline] Re: [Kiswahili] Christianity is just but a selfish theory
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>> Dear ALL
>> Iam not advertising the selling of these tapes as it had been claimed by one of our friends in these fora. I simply request people to watch these links up to the end, before entertaining any comments.
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>>1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWuB7Llr9FQ
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>>2) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xmxvd6_6-live-shahadas-with-sheikh-yusuf-estes-pierre-vogel-2-of-2_school
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>>ALI
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>>From: Hussein A Abbas Al Hussein <alhussein656@msn.com>
>>To: Kiswahili Yahoo <kiswahili@yahoogroups.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 11:22 AM
>>Subject: RE: [Kiswahili] Christianity is just but a selfish theory
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>>Its not go for it , its Congratulation brother Steve
>>you are well come and wish you all your life in peace
>>healthy and long life .
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>>Once you have done the process and declare Muslim
>>than let me know I will register you with a Muslim
>>only forum where you can get more on Islam .
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>>Allahu Akbar , Allahu Akbar , Allahu Akbar
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>>Hussein Abbas
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>>To: Kiswahili@yahoogroups.com From: mauricejoduor@gmail.com Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:17:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Kiswahili] Christianity is just but a selfish theory
>>Good luck bro. Go for it !!
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>>Courage
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>>On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Stephen R <stevenonundu30@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>No more spiritual messages from me. I have changed my mind. I have just realized that Christianity is just but a selfish theory. I hate the way I see Christians ignore people who are suffering. Instead they ridicule and laugh at them. I like Muslim brotherhood. I am sorry if I am not going to join Muslim this year 2013, then I wanna become an atheist. Steve
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