Re: [wanabidii] Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus’ Date of Birth

Kagaruki
Ata hicho kiswahili ni kigumu kwa baadhi yetu wewe fanya kuokotaokota
hicho kidogo utakachokielewa. Hili ni tatizo kubwa sana hapa kwetu,
kumbuka kwa tulio wengi kiswahili ni lugha ya pili (second language)
siyo lugha mama (mother tongue), kasheshe ni pale ukiniambia
nikuandikie kwa kutumia lugha mama. kwa ufupi ukipima ufahamu wetu wa
lugha (kuongea, kuandika, kusikiliza na kusoma) utashangaa mwenyewe
kwamba walio wengi hawana ufasaha katika lugha yoyote.

Tukiyaacha hayo narudi kwenye mada ya Kilasara. Nimependa sentensi
zake za mwisho aliposema "How do we enunciate the Living Jesus Christ
into the lives of our faithful so that they not only experience Him in
their lives but He actually leads their Spiritual Life? This is what
the Church ought to do, but I am not sure on how best?

Mr. Kilasara at the first place we need to know that the all business
of RC doctrines lies on JESUS, this is why we have the word INRI on
the head of Jesus Models. In order to make everything clear we need to
have a sound base for JESUS( his history), why do you question about
the observation by pope Benedict? To me nothing is wrong if the
history of JESUS is recasted.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Lutgard Kagaruki <lutgardk@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Natamani watu wengine wangejiandikia tu Kiswahili!! LKK
>
>
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> From: Joseph Ludovick <josephludovick@gmail.com>
> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:58 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus' Date of Birth
>
> Fratern you simply exporse to me of what you realy are.a realist as you say
> can not want people to just believe without intensive scrutiny of what they
> believe. you could actualy want more of the pope on the subject.but this
> realist is content to just believe.poor realist he should be. The church has
> been this way.to say you are just a christian rather than a roman catholic
> christian as you may see,deprives you many things,one being your tainted
> vision of wahat the church is.one one side you seem to know what the matter
> is,but at the other you deny what you seem to know.you may be in a bad
> situation than you think,not only on matters of faith,but on wholistic
> issues.
> Regards
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For me there's nothing new in what the pope has said and I'm not worried by
> anything. Even when Jesus explained what he came and stood for some of his
> followers left him. Let's tell people what they can understand and if they
> misunderstand, there will come a time when they be enlightened and come
> back. It's better we have enlightened church members than stupid saints!
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Kilasara Fratern
> <kilasara.fratern@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't dispute the the early chapters in the Bible being what as you
> correctly put it "pre meval stories", but personally, I have no moral
> certitude to declare my stand as far as this is concern. After all, having
> grown with the Church circles, and since faith is personal and not
> democratic, not everything I know I should dispose it to the public and
> neither is my intention nor of any one else to make you accept and follow
> what I, he/she believes in.
>
> You are entitled to believe in whatever you believe in and accept whatever
> you so feel is good for you. Unfortunately, as a Radical Realist
> Philosopher, I was raised to challenge not only the authority but even the
> faith in which I found myself. Luckily, the faith I cherish, Roman Catholic,
> survives after all the scrutiny of course with some wounds, and that today I
> am not just a Roman Catholic believer, but I am simply a Christian, in that
> Jesus Christ is the only authority I respect, nothing more or less! Does
> this sound rather confusing?
>
> Just watch out, matters of faith are never straight in the mind except in
> the heart.
>
> All the best Joseph!
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Joseph Ludovick <josephludovick@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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