Re: [wanabidii] KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA

Malima,

Hivi huo udini tunaozungumza ni upi hasa?

Isije kuwa tunazungumza vitu viwili tofauti.

Walewale.

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From: James Malima <james.malima@gmail.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA

Ezekiel na Mlungwe, habari zenu?

 

Ninaiona nia yenu njema kabisa ya kuachana na mijadala ya kidini kwa hatari inayoweza kutokea. Kwa sehemu nakubaliana nanyi lakini kwa upande mwingine, nahisi ni bora pande hizi mbili zikaelewana kwa dhati. Wapo wengi tumejikuta tukiwa katika dini tulizo nazo, sababu ya malezi na mafunzo toka kwa wazazi wetu na hatujui upande mwingine wa shilingi wanaamini kitu gani, ndio sababu kumekuwa na vijembe na kudharauliana kwa hapa na pale.

 

Ninaamini, kwa Wakristo na Waislamu, umefika wakati wa kuelewa kwa dhati kile tunachokiamini, ili kuondokana na hisia za wengine kuhisi wako disadvantaged kwa sababu ya imani yao. Huwa naona ma professor wa Kikrosto na wa Kiislam wakielezea imani zao (Marekani), na inakuwa haina tatizo kama huku kwetu. Hakuna anayemtukana mwenzake wala kumkashifu, kila mmoja anaelezea u bora wa imani yake na kwa nini anahisi itakuwa busara kwa wengine kuifuata!

 

Huku kwetu, nahisi tuna madai mengi sana ambayo si rasmi, na kwa jinsi yanavyoletwa hapa, yanaonyesha dhahiri kabisa yakiachiwa, yatatuharibia amani tuliyo nayo. Ndio sababu wengine tumeamua kusema kwamba baadhi ya mambo si ya kweli, ni hisia tu na mawazo finyi ya baadhi ya watu wenye lengo baya kwa nchi yetu. Kamwe, sishawishi watu kuachana na Uislam na kuwa Wakristo, ila nikipata fursa, nitaelezea kwa nini mimi ni Mkristo.

 

Kwa hili, wote tuungane pamoja kukemea huu u dini unaotaka kujipenyeza na kutuvurugia amani.

 

Asanteni sana.

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Ezekiel Massanja <ezekielmassanja@gmail.com> wrote:

Ni kweli kwamba mijadala ya kidini haina tija sana kama nia ni
kubadili mawazo ya upande mwingine au kutegemea kufikia muafaka. Hii
inatokana na mizizi iliyokwisha pandikizwa vichwani mwa wahusika tangu
wakiwa wadogo. na mijadala hii inapojikita kwenye kukashifu dini
nyingine ndio kabisaaa hakuna suluhu.

Uislamu na Ukristo ni pande mbili za shilingi ambazo si rahisi
kuzikutanisha. Mfano mdogo tu ni kwamba wakati dini moja inahubiri
upendo na kusameheana nyingine ni jino kwa jino. Wakati dini moja
inasisitiza kuheshimu dini zingine dini nyingine inaona ina haki
miliki na dini zingine zote hazifai na mambo mengine kama hayo. Sana
sana mijadala hii inasaidia tu kujua upande mwingine una mawazo gani
kuhusu dini nyingine.

Ningeshauri mijadala ya dini ijikite kuzungumzia maudhui ya dini hiyo
ili tuielewe na ikiwezekana tuvutiwe kujiunga nayo. Mimi Muislamu
nikielezewa vyema kuhusu utume wa Yesu Kristo huenda nikauona upendo
ulio katika ujio wake duniani na nikaupokea, vile vile na kwa Mtume
Muhamad pia.

Nawasilisha

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:14 AM, mlungwe@yahoo.com <mlungwe@yahoo.com> wrote:
> James hii mijadala ya dini  saws na kumpigia mbuzi gitaa. Haina tija kwa
> taifa . Ni ngumu sana kumbadilisha mtu mawazo ya anachokiamini  .kama sasa
> Nina miaka 30 na tokea nikiwa mtoto  nimekuwa naelezwa mambo mabaya kuhusu
> wewe Ni ngumu sana kubadilika mawazo sass hivi. Mijadala ya udini
> inatupotezea muda
>
> Sent from my HTC smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint!
>
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "James Malima" <james.malima@gmail.com>
> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [wanabidii] KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA
> Date: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 5:17 AM
>
>
> Baba Chichi,
>
> Mijadala hii ya u dini inaweza kuonekana inachosha sana, lakini
> nakuhakikishia, madhara yake ni makubwa sana. Ni bora kupambana na wenye
> mawazo finyu kama wale wachangiaji wanaolalamika for nothing kila kukicha.
> Wanaishi kwa hisia tu za kubaguliwa na kuonewa wakati katika uhalisia,
> matatizo wanayoya address hayapo. Tumekuwa kimya muda mrefu sana, wakati
> umefika sasa wa kusema NO. Tatizo ninaloliona, hawana hoja yoyote ya msingi
> zaidi ya kuhisia tu vitu ambavyo havipo.
>
> Amepekuliwa Mzee Mwinyi, aliyekuwa Rais wa nchi hii na alielewa na kumsamehe
> yule kijana aliyempekua, sembuse mtu mwingine wa kawaida tu, kisa anatetea
> Uislamu? Inasikitisha sana.
>
> Acha tuendelee tu kujadili, maana hata wao wanaamini Jihad kubwa kuliko zote
> ni ya HOJA, inasikitisha hoja zenyewe hawana.
>
> On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 11:40 PM, FEMKS Baba Chichi <femk.coded@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> UDINI! UDINI! UDINI! Nimechoshwa na huu udini. Binafsi sijali kama kuna
>> Waislamu wangapi, Wakristo wangapi, n.k. What matters is that we are all
>> humanbeings. Labda nianzishe dini ya All Saints, wakiwemo wa mababu zangu
>> ambao wengine humu mmewaita "Wapagani"!!!!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 10:00 PM, <flyimo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Asante,
>>>
>>> Nina amini kwamba kuna maana pana zaidi ya kafir (kama ilivyo pagan)
>>> ambayo inakwepwa hapa lakini sitajikita huko. Kuhusu hoja ya Amour na dini
>>> ya kiswahili sielelewi anamaanisha nini! Mimi nikijua kiswahili ni lugha
>>> kumbe ishakua dini? Na mimi ni mswahili kwa maana halisi ya neno lakini si
>>> muumini wa dini ya kiswahili. Inakuwaje hapo?
>>>
>>> Kwaherini.
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Vodacom
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: rashid martin <rashidtz@hotmail.com>
>>> Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 21:49:00 +0300
>>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>> ReplyTo: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: [wanabidii] KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA
>>>
>>> Lyimo naomba nikupe maana ya neno KAFIR
>>> ni neno la kiarabu    kiswahili-----mpingaji
>>>                               kingereza-----protestant
>>> nashangaa kunawatu wanajita madehehebu yao kuwa ni protestants yaani
>>> wapingaji na pia yaani makafir
>>> neno hili linatumiwa vibaya na waislamu walio wengi kwani ni Mungu pekee
>>> anaejua nani kafir na nani sio
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 10:40:58 -0700
>>> From: abachamani@yahoo.com
>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA
>>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>> We Lyimo,
>>> Kwani mfumo mbadala wa mfumo kristo ni upi katika nchi isiyokuwa na dini
>>> mbona mnapenda kupotosha? Kuna sehemu Mzee Mohamed kasema hayo au anadai
>>> hayo?
>>> Kwani Jumapili ikiwa siku ya kazi pana ubaya gani na Ijumaa ikaendele
>>> kuwa siku ya kazi?
>>> Kumbuka madai ya Waswahili siyo hayo mnapotosha kusudi.Waswahili kwamfano
>>> wanataka japo masaa 2 tu Ijumaa wakasali basi lakini nyinyi muda huu ndiyo
>>> mnapanga vikao.Kumbuka kwa imani ya Waswahili hawana Sabato kwa hiyo
>>> anayesema habari ya Ijumaa ana lake.
>>> Unamalizia kuwa nchi yetu haina dini nawe unaamini hivyo.
>>> Nami nakukubalia kweli nchi yetu HAINA DINI YA KISWAHILI ILA INA DINI
>>> YENU na huo ndiyo mfumo tunaouzungumza.MFUMO KRISTO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Walewale.
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: "flyimo@yahoo.com" <flyimo@yahoo.com>
>>> To: wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2012 7:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA
>>>
>>> Nina hakika kwa ndugu Mohamed yeyote asiye muislamu ni 'kafri' kwa maana
>>> halisi ya neno hilo. Kamwe hatakuwa na uvumilivu na watu hao ila analazimika
>>> kwenda hatua kwa hatua kwa kuanza na Wakatoliki. Inasikitisha sana.
>>> Unaposema nchi inaongozwa na mfumo kristo maana yake unataka mfumo mbadala
>>> uwekwe je ni upi huo? Maana yake unataka mfumo 'Islam' ambao utataka J2 iwe
>>> siku ya kazi na Ijumaa siku ya mapumziko na mida yote ya swala 5 ofisi na
>>> sehemu za kazi zifungwe!! Nadhani atataka mabadiliko ya kalenda rasmi pia.
>>> Nchi yetu inajipambanua kuwa haina dini na mimi naamini hivyo yet Mohamed na
>>> wenzie wanasema ni state 'kristo' kuna muafaka kweli utapatikana hapo?
>>> Solution pekee wanayotafuta ni kupoteza amani iliyopo kwa ujinga
>>> waliopandikiziwa labda ndio maana idadi ya Watanzana kidini inahitajika kwa
>>> matumaini kwamba huo utakuwa mwanzo wa kuelekea kwenye state ya kiislam!
>>> Nimechangia japo kwa shingo upande.
>>>
>>> Samahanini wote.
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Vodacom
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: mohamed said <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com>
>>> Sender: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 23:15:46 +0300
>>> To: <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>> ReplyTo: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA
>>>
>>> Amani ni kudumisha haki na uadilifu.
>>> Haiwi Kanisa likahodhi fursa zote wakatuwekea walei katika Baraza la
>>> Mitihani na kwengineko wanadhulumu na kuwahujumu Waislam sisi tukamsikiza
>>> mtu anatuhubiria amani.
>>> Huko ni kupoteza muda.
>>> Amani ahubiriwe dhalimu.
>>> M
>>> On Jul 2, 2012 11:08 PM, "Bariki Mwasaga" <bmwasaga@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Kiu yangu kila mmoja aishi kwa amani na kama kuna njia bora ya kuwafanya
>>> watu wawe na Amani basi tuitumie vyema
>>>
>>> On 2 July 2012 23:02, mohamed said <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ahsante sana ndugu yangu.
>>> Ni wajibu wetu kuwafahamisha ukweli kuwa Waislam wanadhulumiwa na
>>> serikali ambayo imehoodhiwa na Kanisa Katoliki.
>>> Hili hatulifichi Waislam wote kwa sasa wanalijua na ndiyo sababu leo
>>> unaona uongozi wa Waislam uko nje ya mikono ya BAKWATA na leo Waislam
>>> wanaongozwa na viongozi ambao hata serikali hawawajui.
>>> Imetuchukua miaka mingi kufikia hapa.
>>> M
>>> On Jul 2, 2012 10:58 PM, "Bariki Mwasaga" <bmwasaga@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mzee(Sheikh) Mohamed Said. you have my support. Keep on fighting for your
>>> rights. Hata mimi nafikiri ningekuwa kwenye viatu vyako ningekuwa labda kama
>>> wewe....Endeleza mapambano hadi kieleweke. Usikate tamaa.
>>>
>>> On 2 July 2012 19:34, mohamed said <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Haiwezekani babu yangu apiganie uhuru wa nchi hii kisha mie nije nibomoe.
>>> Ahsante ya babu yangu na wenzake wengi walopambana na ukoloni ilikuwa
>>> kutupwa gerezani na Nyerere na majina yao kuondolewa katika historia.
>>> M
>>> On Jul 2, 2012 5:17 PM, "denis Matanda" <denis.matanda@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mohamed,
>>> Mimi sikulaumu, nakuonea huruma kwa namna ambayo umechagua kutumia uelewa
>>> wako sio kwenye kujenga bali kubomoa!
>>> Mungu wako akupe nguvu kwenye hii mission yako!
>>> On 2 Jul 2012 17:01, "mohamed said" <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Indeed it is a waste of time.
>>>
>>> That is why we went out on a nationwide campaign to alert Muslims on
>>> Mfumo Kristo.
>>> If the government was deaf let us speak to the umma.
>>>
>>> M
>>>
>>> On 02/07/2012, James Malima <james.malima@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Guys, this is a waste of time. It is hard to believe till this century
>>> > some
>>> > of us do NOT want to change and think they can survive through favour
>>> > from
>>> > the Government. A lot of educational materials have been shared here,
>>> > if we
>>> > all opened our eyes, we could understand what went wrong in the past.
>>> > Excuse driven people are very dangerous to any society.
>>> >
>>> > I would advice the oldman Mr. Mohamed Said to let other young fellows
>>> > to go
>>> > to school and within time, there will be no more shameful demands as
>>> > the
>>> > ones posted here.
>>> >
>>> > Better start acting now rather than complaining everyday, we loose time
>>> > and
>>> > energy.
>>> >
>>> > GOD Bless Tanzania. Amen!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:04 PM, method francis ngonge
>>> > <mngonge@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Mr Mohamed Said
>>> >>
>>> >> Please note that I am not after protecting any kind of evils being
>>> >> done
>>> >> by
>>> >>> government officials nor I am saying the government is clean. No no
>>> >>> no,
>>> >>> what I am trying to reveal is that we should not think that our
>>> >>> problems
>>> >>> are just a result of religious discriminations. Do you want to tell
>>> >>> us
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> all christians are being favoured by the current system? neither all
>>> >>> muslims are unfavoured by the system. Therefore it is not a matter of
>>> >>> being
>>> >>> a muslim or christian but a struggle between the haves and have not.
>>> >>> Let
>>> >>> us
>>> >>> join hands for the better struggle
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:43 PM, mohamed said
>>> >> <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> No it is not ability.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you were in our shoes you would have understood our predicament.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> NECTA NECTA NECTA...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We are not joking.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> M
>>> >>> On Jul 2, 2012 2:36 PM, "method francis ngonge" <mngonge@gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Dear mwanabidii Asanterabi and others
>>> >>>> I have been making a close follow up over this debate but till now I
>>> >>>> dont get sense out of it and its right direction. It started as if
>>> >>>> people
>>> >>>> wanted to  explore reasons as to why it is important to include an
>>> >>>> item
>>> >>>> of
>>> >>>> one's religion during the forthcoming national census. But it seems
>>> >>>> right
>>> >>>> now the topic has changed to reflect discrimination of muslims by
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> government and christians. Implicitly this forms the base of
>>> >>>> dispute
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> those who are demanding for the item.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> That muslims want the globe and general public to know that their
>>> >>>> number
>>> >>>> outweighs the number of christians and pagans.They went further to
>>> >>>> quote
>>> >>>> instances where they think muslims are not fairly treated. They are
>>> >>>> not
>>> >>>> satsfied on how they have been treated by the government, assuming
>>> >>>> that
>>> >>>> government is same as christians and therefore every treatment to
>>> >>>> them
>>> >>>> is
>>> >>>> biased.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Suppose the boss of the Tanzania Bureau of Census accept to include
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> item of religion in the census's questionnare and results shows that
>>> >>>> muslims are fewer than other denominations what will be the feeling
>>> >>>> of
>>> >>>> these muslim fundamentalists? Undoubtedly they will not accept such
>>> >>>> results
>>> >>>> because already they have their own results even before the census
>>> >>>> exercise.
>>> >>>> Another important question which was too raised by Anseterabi, what
>>> >>>> is
>>> >>>> the benefits of knowing that the number of muslims outweighs that of
>>> >>>> christians? As I find it irrational to demand that there are fewer
>>> >>>> muslims
>>> >>>> in top ranks of the government bureaucracy. If muslims are many and
>>> >>>> feel
>>> >>>> that to them it is necessary to have many muslims in the top posts
>>> >>>> of
>>> >>>> government and parliament let them do it through voting. However,
>>> >>>> this
>>> >>>> is
>>> >>>> what we call "Ubaguzi wa dini" and that is the secret behind the
>>> >>>> debate
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> it is contrary to our constitution. Such kind of thinking will
>>> >>>> divide
>>> >>>> uneducated Tanzanians on the basis of religions during elections at
>>> >>>> all
>>> >>>> levels.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> For their information we are not interested on somebody's religion
>>> >>>> so
>>> >>>> as
>>> >>>> to appoint him/her for a particular post, we are interested on
>>> >>>> his/her
>>> >>>> ability to deliver. Take an example of a company of any business
>>> >>>> firm,
>>> >>>> unless you want to be out of the business we dont employ or place a
>>> >>>> worker
>>> >>>> on whatever position basically because of his/her religion, the
>>> >>>> first
>>> >>>> thing
>>> >>>> to consider is your ability to deliver for the company or business
>>> >>>> establishment. Please note that our life standards will not simply
>>> >>>> be
>>> >>>> tremendaously improved by merely having a bigger number of muslims
>>> >>>> in
>>> >>>> all
>>> >>>> government posts but any Tanzanian who is knowledgeable, skilled and
>>> >>>> committed enough to serve the country for the benefits of all
>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Asanterabi Sang'enoi <
>>> >>>> asangenoi@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Watu wanaoendekeza udini ni wa hatari sana. Wanataka kuwagawa
>>> >>>>> watanzania kwa misingi tu ya dini ambayo kila mtu aliipokea kwa
>>> >>>>> matakwa
>>> >>>>> yake mwenyewe. Kwani Waislamu wakiwa wengi au wakristo au wapagani
>>> >>>>> kuna
>>> >>>>> tatizo gani? Mie najua kuwa kwa kanisa wajibu iliyopewa ni kuhubiri
>>> >>>>> injili
>>> >>>>> ili watu wengi wamwamini  Yesu hivyo kadri wanavyofanya bidii ya
>>> >>>>> kuhubiri
>>> >>>>> ndivyo na idadi inavyoongezeka. Sijajua dini nyingine kama na
>>> >>>>> wenyewe
>>> >>>>> wanahubiri habari za dini zao ili waongezeke au wanategemea tu
>>> >>>>> kuzaana.
>>> >>>>> Pia
>>> >>>>> kama kila dini ina taratibu zake kwanini wengine wanataka kuiingiza
>>> >>>>> Serikali kwenye mambo ya dini ilhali Katiba imeshasema kuwa
>>> >>>>> Tanzania
>>> >>>>> ni
>>> >>>>> nchi isiyofuata dini yoyote (Secular state) ila wananchi wana uhuru
>>> >>>>> kufuata
>>> >>>>> dini yoyote? Kwanini tusiuheshimu huo uhuru wa kuabudu na kuiacha
>>> >>>>> Serikali
>>> >>>>> ifanye kazi zake badala ya kuisumbua kila wakati kwa masuala ya
>>> >>>>> dini
>>> >>>>> isiyohusika nayo?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --- On *Mon, 7/2/12, denis Matanda <denis.matanda@gmail.com>*
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> From: denis Matanda <denis.matanda@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA
>>> >>>>> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>>> >>>>> Received: Monday, July 2, 2012, 4:59 AM
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>  U are kidding, right?
>>> >>>>> On 2 Jul 2012 11:14, "Bariki Mwasaga"
>>> >>>>> <bmwasaga@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=bmwasaga@gmail.com>>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The best way is to accept whatever is said cause we need to live in
>>> >>>>> harmony and peace. If at all by accepting one's demand will help us
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>> enjoy the peace we have, then let it be so.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On 2 July 2012 09:35, Reuben Mwandumbya
>>> >>>>> <ipyana75@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=ipyana75@yahoo.com>
>>> >>>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>  Comrade Minja;
>>> >>>>> What you are saying is exactly correct from mine point of view,if
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> only issue is number and no any hidden agenda.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>               !Braza!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>   ------------------------------
>>> >>>>> *From:* Daniel Minja
>>> >>>>> <minjartd@yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=minjartd@yahoo.com>
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> *To:*
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> "wanabidii@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=wanabidii@googlegroups.com>"
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> <wanabidii@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=wanabidii@googlegroups.com>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 1, 2012 3:32 PM
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [wanabidii] KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>   Emma,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> What message do wish to share from this? if one of the religious
>>> >>>>> denominations outnumbers the other in anyhow then what?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> **
>>> >>>>> **
>>> >>>>> *
>>> >>>>> *
>>> >>>>> *"Read not to Contradict, nor to Believe, but to Weigh and
>>> >>>>> Consider"*
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>   ------------------------------
>>> >>>>> *From:* Emma Kaaya
>>> >>>>> <emmakaaya@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=emmakaaya@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>>> *To:*
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> wanabidii@googlegroups.com<http://mc/compose?to=wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 1, 2012 2:07 PM
>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [wanabidii] KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>  *KIMBEMBE CHA SENSA NA WOGA WA KANISA*
>>> >>>>> "In the 1957 census Muslims outnumbered Christians at a ratio of
>>> >>>>> three
>>> >>>>> to two.[1] <http://us.mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#_ftn1> Ten years
>>> >>>>> after
>>> >>>>> in 1967, in the post independence census Muslims were 30%,
>>> >>>>> Christians
>>> >>>>> 32
>>> >>>>> and local belief 37%. Reasons were not given for this sudden
>>> >>>>> decrease
>>> >>>>> of
>>> >>>>> Muslims or the growth of pagans. It is on record that the 1967
>>> >>>>> statistics
>>> >>>>> were doctored to show that Muslims were trailing behind Christians
>>> >>>>> in
>>> >>>>> numerical strength. It is worthwhile to quote in full a letter by
>>> >>>>> one
>>> >>>>> Amiri
>>> >>>>> Mchomvu which appeared in the *Family Mirror* about the 1967
>>> >>>>> census:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Last month I chanced to come across Africa Information Newsletter,
>>> >>>>> (September 26, 1994 issue) in which there was an article on
>>> >>>>> Tanzania
>>> >>>>> titled: Islamic fundamentalism worries the government.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I found the article by a renewed Tanzanian journalist, Lawrence
>>> >>>>> Kilimwiko to be very anti-Islam. Besides, Mr. Kilimwiko says that
>>> >>>>> about
>>> >>>>> 40%
>>> >>>>> of Tanzanians are Christians and 30% Muslims. I think that is a
>>> >>>>> statistical
>>> >>>>> error.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> During the 1967 Population Census, the first census since
>>> >>>>> independence,
>>> >>>>> I was one of the census enumerators in Tabora Region. It is
>>> >>>>> believed
>>> >>>>> that
>>> >>>>> this was the only successful of the population census conducted
>>> >>>>> since
>>> >>>>> independence (i.e. 1967, 1978 and 1988) as it was wholly conducted
>>> >>>>> by
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> form V students. Corruption, embezzlement, etc. of census funds and
>>> >>>>> other
>>> >>>>> administrative vices that plagued the last two census (1978 and
>>> >>>>> 1988)
>>> >>>>> were
>>> >>>>> things unknown at that time.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> It was the only census which had probed Tanzanians' religious
>>> >>>>> adherence. I clearly remember the bulky questionnaire form, one
>>> >>>>> question of
>>> >>>>> which asked the persons' religion, whether he was Christian,
>>> >>>>> Muslim,
>>> >>>>> Other
>>> >>>>> (e.g. Hindu, Budhist etc.) or traditional, e.g. pagan.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I also remember the census results; published by the then
>>> >>>>> Tanganyika
>>> >>>>> Standard late that year 1967 (I have forgotten the date of the
>>> >>>>> issue)
>>> >>>>> in
>>> >>>>> which it was shown that Muslim constituted 63% of the population.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Now whoever thinks that such verdict is not correct I challenge
>>> >>>>> him/her
>>> >>>>> to substantiate otherwise with official results of the 1967 Census
>>> >>>>> if
>>> >>>>> they
>>> >>>>> at all can get hold of them."
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ------------------------------
>>> >>>>>  <http://us.mg6.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#_ftnref1>
>>> >>>>> [1] *Africa South of the Sahara*, Europa Publication, London, No.
>>> >>>>> 20
>>> >>>>> 1991, p. 1027.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM, mohamed said
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> <mohamedsaid54@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=mohamedsaid54@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Wanabidii,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hebu tustaladhi na haya katika attach.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Mohamed Said
>>> >>>>>
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