Re: [wanabidii] MADENI ANAYODAIWA FREEMAN MBOWE NA CHADEMA

Magiri, basi tuendelee na mjadala tukiwa sober

On 1/21/14, Magiri paul <kiganyi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mkuu JL,
> Hakuna mahala nimekuita msaliti, na ni kweli kwamba siwezi kuleta ushahidi
> hapa kuonesha ni namna gani umemashambulia Ndg. Mbowe. Tuliza bongo yako
> pitia arifa zako huko juu uone ni kwa namna ipi na mimi nimefikia kukuuliza
> masuala hayo.
>
> Magiri.
>
> Dau dogo huambaa mwambao, kubwa huenda kwenye kilindi.
> On Jan 21, 2014 1:06 PM, "Joseph Ludovick" <josephludovick@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Magiri, huwezi kuleta ushahidi hata mmoja tu wa mimi joseph ludovick
>> kumshambulia mbowe. Mimi nimetoa maisha yangu mara nyingi kwa ajili ya
>> hawa viongozi wangu. Mimi ludovick,sijawahi,na kadri nitakavyojaliwa,
>> sitatukana kamanda wa anga wala dk.slaa,na kwa hiyo kiongozi yeyote.
>> For record tu niseme tena, sina uswahiba wowote na zitto,wala masalia,
>> wala mtu yeyote nje ya chadema. Lakini ufisadi na media inayotumiwa
>> nao,wameni paint hvo unavyo nipotray. Ni sawa, sisi wanyonge Mungu ana
>> namna yake ya kutulinda.
>> hawa akina mabadiliko chadema et. Al usinihushe nao. Bado nina
>> matatizo yatokanayo na siasa zenu za hovyo.kisha bila utu
>> wowote,mnafurahia kuniita msaliti, natumiwa,na kama hayo. Iko siku
>> utakuwa kwenye nafasi yangu. Utajua maana ya kubandikwa mabaya
>> usiyofanya.kwa sasa endelea tu
>>
>> On 1/21/14, Magiri paul <kiganyi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > JL,
>> > Sifurahii chochote katika hili lakini nataka nikukumbushe tu kuwa
>> > maumivu
>> > ayasikiayo Ndg. Mbowe kwa misumari unayompiga hapa isiyokuwa na chembe
>> ya
>> > ushahidi, ndiyo misumari hiyohiyo ambayo hata wewe unaweza kuadhibiwa
>> nayo.
>> >
>> > Ye all trying to produce a rabbit out of the hat. Mnajaribu kabisa
>> > kutuaminisha hayo makosa ya Ndg. Mbowe kwa nguvu sana mnasahau nanyi
>> > mna
>> > maswali mengi sana ya kujibu.
>> >
>> > Sitegemei kuamini masuala ya media, ndio sababu nimekuuliza binafsi
>> > hapa.
>> > Hayo mengine ya "siasa uchwara" "ukanjanja" ni jazba tu na haisaidii
>> kitu.
>> >
>> > Magiri.
>> >
>> > Dau dogo huambaa mwambao, kubwa huenda kwenye kilindi.
>> > On Jan 21, 2014 10:52 AM, "Joseph Ludovick" <josephludovick@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Wewe uko siku zote kwenye media, haukusoma maelezo niliyoandika? Si
>> >> mafisadi wenziyo walitaka kunitoa kafara na kunihusisha na matukio ya
>> >> kijinga na kusema sikupatwa na matatizo hayo huku kanjanja wakitwaliwa
>> >> na siasa za uharo za chama pendwa kuwa mimi ni UWT? magiri unafurahia
>> >> nn ktk hlo?
>> >>
>> >> On 1/21/14, Magiri paul <kiganyi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Nimekuuliza wewe walikuteka Sinza? Jibu swali kama halina tija kaa
>> >> > kimya
>> >> au
>> >> > nawe ficha "ujinga" wako.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hakuna haja ya jazba, kwani nyie wenyewe ndio mmeamua kupeleka
>> mnakasha
>> >> > katika mwelekeo
>> >> > huu.
>> >> >
>> >> > Magiri.
>> >> > Dau dogo huambaa mwambao, kubwa huenda kwenye kilindi.
>> >> > On Jan 21, 2014 9:53 AM, "Joseph Ludovick"
>> >> > <josephludovick@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Magiri, unaweza kuficha ujinga wako. Wewe unazungumzia hayo
>> >> >> unayosema
>> >> >> hauyajui. Ufisadi wenu mliniweka katikati ya ujinga wenu. Waandishi
>> wa
>> >> >> hovyo wakalishwa ugoro. Sasa unataka kusema nini?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 1/21/14, Magiri paul <kiganyi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Na wewe walikuteka Sinza sio?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Mna mbinu zako kitoto sana..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Magiri.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Dau dogo huambaa mwambao, kubwa huenda kwenye kilindi.
>> >> >> > On Jan 21, 2014 9:40 AM, "Joseph Ludovick"
>> >> >> > <josephludovick@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Felix, naona umeamua kuwa mkweli kati ya waandishi. Nimeona
>> >> >> >> wengi
>> >> >> >> wametwaliwa na upofu kiasi kwamba hawataki kusikia the mther
>> >> >> >> side
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> the coin. Nakutahadharisha tu uwe makini na nyendo zako.
>> Unaowasema
>> >> >> >> vibaya ni chadema,na nadhani hao kadri ya nyaronyo kicheere ni
>> >> >> >> malipyoto au mabaunsa. Watakupiga.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 1/21/14, Felix Mwakyembe <fkyembe@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Kinachofurahisha katika mijadala ya humu jamzivini ni undumila
>> >> >> >> > kuwili
>> >> >> >> > wa
>> >> >> >> > Watanzania. Mbona viongozi wa vyama vingine wanajadiliwa hadi
>> >> >> >> > mambo
>> >> >> yao
>> >> >> >> ya
>> >> >> >> > chumbani watu hawatoi povu kulaani hapa, au yale ni mawe,
>> >> >> >> > mbona
>> >> >> >> > kwenye
>> >> >> >> > majukwaa huko hawa viongozi wa CDM ni mabingwa kutukana wenzao
>> >> >> >> > lakini
>> >> >> >> > hatusikii mkitokwa mapovu kuwalaani.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Kitendo cha aibu kabisa, mbunge mmoja wa CDM aliwaita CUF
>> >> >> >> > maribelali,
>> >> >> >> tena
>> >> >> >> > bungeni, akiashiria maana chafu kabisa, hadi wabunge wa CUF
>> >> >> >> > kuja
>> >> >> >> > juu,
>> >> >> >> > mlishangilia humu na kwenye majukwaa mengine, leo wameguswa
>> >> >> >> > wanahangaika.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Ukiona inauma, fahamu na mwezio pia anaumia unapomtukana,
>> >> >> >> > staha
>> >> >> >> mnayoitaka
>> >> >> >> > leo viongozi wa CDM na wapambe mliitupilia jalalani wenyewe.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Jifunzeni nayi kutumia lugha ya staha kwa wenzenu, ama sivyo
>> >> wenzenu
>> >> >> >> wataja
>> >> >> >> > cheka mwisho, kwani nyinyi sio malaika!!!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > 2014/1/20 <hosea.ndaki@gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Obama alimgusa bega waziri mkuu wa denmark kwenye msiba wa
>> >> >> >> >> mandela
>> >> >> >> >> hadi
>> >> >> >> >> leo wamarekani wanakijadili kitendo kile.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Yaya alivujisha habari za ujauzito wa kamwana wa malkia si tu
>> >> >> alifutwa
>> >> >> >> >> kazi alikunywa sumu kwa kukwepa fedheha.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Boss wa mikwanja duniani alishutumiwa kwa kuomba uroda kwa
>> nguvu
>> >> >> >> alifutwa
>> >> >> >> >> kazi mara moja.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Yapo mashirika mtu na mkewe au dadayake hawaruhusiwi
>> >> >> >> >> kuajiriwa
>> >> >> >> >> kampuni
>> >> >> >> >> moja. Kofi Anan alishutumiwa kuipatia tenda kampuni
>> >> >> >> >> anayofanya
>> >> kazi
>> >> >> >> >> mwanae.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> ----------
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>> >> >> >> >> ------Original message------
>> >> >> >> >> From: Francis Kasili <Francis.Kasili@nmbtz.com>
>> >> >> >> >> To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> >> >> >> >> Date: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:54:23 PM GMT+0000
>> >> >> >> >> Subject: RE: [wanabidii] MADENI ANAYODAIWA FREEMAN MBOWE NA
>> >> CHADEMA
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Sioni kama mijadala kama hii inaleta faida yoyote zaidi ya
>> >> kupoteza
>> >> >> >> >> muda
>> >> >> >> >> tu. Hivi tukianza kuwachambua viongozi walio madarakani ni
>> >> >> >> >> nani
>> >> >> >> >> atakaye
>> >> >> >> >> kuwa msafi isipokuwa ni wachache sana?? Mfano wapo walio wahi
>> >> kufia
>> >> >> >> gesti
>> >> >> >> >> wakiwa na vimwana!! Hata hivyo bado Tanzania iko level ya
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>> >> >> >> >> katika
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>> >> >> >> >> wanavyozidi
>> >> >> >> >> kuuawa, Suala zima la ufisadi, Kauli tatanishi za viongozi
>> >> >> >> >> kama
>> >> >> waziri
>> >> >> >> wa
>> >> >> >> >> nishati na madini aliyewahi kubembea mbereko suala la umeme
>> >> >> >> >> kumbe
>> >> >> >> ilikuwa
>> >> >> >> >> ni ghiriba tu kwa Watanzania maan alijua anachofanya pamoja
>> >> >> >> >> na
>> >> >> mengine
>> >> >> >> >> mengi sana yenye msingi na sio upuuzi wa kumjadili mtu na
>> >> >> >> >> mambo
>> >> >> >> >> yake
>> >> >> >> >> ya
>> >> >> >> >> kibinasfi.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Always darkness will never comprehend light
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> ________________________________
>> >> >> >> >> From: wanabidii@googlegroups.com [wanabidii@googlegroups.com]
>> on
>> >> >> >> >> behalf
>> >> >> >> >> of Uwanja wa siasa [siasatz2015@gmail.com]
>> >> >> >> >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:27 PM
>> >> >> >> >> To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
>> >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] MADENI ANAYODAIWA FREEMAN MBOWE NA
>> >> CHADEMA
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Humu ndani kuna watu wanapenda kusikia habari fulani tu na
>> >> >> >> >> wala
>> >> >> >> >> hawaoni
>> >> >> >> >> shida hata kuchangia pumba na kukosoa wanapoona chochote
>> >> >> >> >> wasichotaka
>> >> >> >> >> kukisia ... hii ni free zone tunahitaji kusikia kila kitu cha
>> >> >> >> >> Wanasiasa
>> >> >> >> >> wetu ili tujue wakoje? ni ngumu kumpa nchi mtu usijemjua ,,,
>> >> >> nilicheka
>> >> >> >> >> sana
>> >> >> >> >> lilipozungumziwa suala la Mbowe kuzaa na Mbunge wake watu
>> >> wakaanza
>> >> >> >> >> kuchachamaa na kusema hilo ni suala binafsi... Binafsi kivipi
>> >> >> >> >> wakati
>> >> >> >> huyu
>> >> >> >> >> ni kiongozi anayetakiwa kuwa kioo cha jamii? ni yeye binafsi
>> >> >> >> >> ndie
>> >> >> >> >> anatakiwa
>> >> >> >> >> achambue yote anayofanya na ajue kuwa yeye ni kioo cha
>> jamii....
>> >> >> >> >> jamani
>> >> >> >> >> hapa kama ni kujadiliwa wajadiliwe wote iwe wa CCM, CHadema,
>> >> >> >> >> CUF,
>> >> >> NCCR
>> >> >> >> >> Mageuzi na wanasiasa wote bila upendeleo na kama kuna yoyote
>> >> anayo
>> >> >> >> >> habari
>> >> >> >> >> yoyote yenye uhakika inayomuhusu mwanasiasa yoyote anitumie
>> >> nirushe
>> >> >> >> >> huu
>> >> >> >> >> ni
>> >> >> >> >> wakati muafaka wa kujadili siasa na wanasiasa wetu wakati
>> >> >> >> >> tunaelekea
>> >> >> >> >> kwenye
>> >> >> >> >> uchaguzi wa 2015..... kwa habari zaidi zinazohusu siasa na
>> >> >> >> >> wanasiasa
>> >> >> >> >> watanzania fungua http://siasa-tanzania.blogspot.com/
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> 2014/1/19 MABADILIKO CHADEMA
>> >> >> >> >> <mabadilikochadema@gmail.com<mailto:
>> >> >> >> >> mabadilikochadema@gmail.com>>
>> >> >> >> >> MADENI YA UCHAGUZI
>> >> >> >> >> "Kufuatia Uchaguzi Mkuu wa mwaka 2005, Mhe. MBOWE
>> alitufahamisha
>> >> >> >> >> wanachama
>> >> >> >> >> kuwa alikuwa anakidai chama US $ 181,949.00 sawa na Tshs.
>> >> >> 218,338,546.
>> >> >> >> >> Mpaka sasa chama kimekwisha mlipa Tshs. 175,000,000/=Baada ya
>> >> >> >> >> kupata
>> >> >> >> >> wadhifa wa Makamu Mwenyekiti, na kwa kuzingatia takwimu
>> >> zionekanazo
>> >> >> >> >> hapo
>> >> >> >> >> juu katika kulinganisha matumizi ya fedha Wilayani na Makao
>> >> >> >> >> Makuu
>> >> >> >> >> niliamua
>> >> >> >> >> kumshauri MBOWE asitishe kujilipa deni kutokana na fedha za
>> >> >> >> >> ruzuku
>> >> >> >> >> kwani
>> >> >> >> >> siamini kuwa kulipa madeni yaliyopita kunaendana na utaratibu
>> wa
>> >> >> >> >> usimamizi
>> >> >> >> >> wa fedha za ruzuku kwa vyama vya siasa toka serikalini.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Mhe. MBOWE alichachamaa na ndipo nilipomshauri kuwa kama ni
>> >> >> >> >> hivyo
>> >> >> basi
>> >> >> >> >> atuthibishie pesa hizo anazodai alikikopesha chama ziliingia
>> >> kwenye
>> >> >> >> >> akaunti
>> >> >> >> >> gani ya CHADEMA, kupitia hundi ipi, na lini? Nilimuomba pia
>> >> >> >> >> kutaja
>> >> >> >> >> ni
>> >> >> >> >> kikao
>> >> >> >> >> gani cha chama kiliidhinisha matumizi ya fedha hizo kwani
>> >> >> >> >> kama
>> >> >> >> >> hakuna
>> >> >> >> >> ushahidi wa maidhinisho, ni dhahiri kuwa matumizi hayo
>> >> >> hayakudhibitiwa
>> >> >> >> na
>> >> >> >> >> chama na kwa mantiki hiyo kuyafanya kuwa matumizi binafsi ya
>> >> >> >> >> Mhe.
>> >> >> >> >> MBOWE.Vilevile, nilimueleza kuwa matumizi ya fedha hizo
>> alizodai
>> >> >> >> >> alikikopesha chama yalikuwa yakinuka harufu ya UFISADI.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Stakabadhi zote kuhusiana na matumizi hayo zilionesha kuwa
>> >> >> >> >> gharama
>> >> >> >> >> za
>> >> >> >> >> aidha ununuzi na / au ukodishaji wa vifaa hivyo,
>> >> >> >> >> hazikutofautiana
>> >> >> >> >> na
>> >> >> >> >> viwango wanavyolipishwa watalii kwa huduma kama hizo, kwa
>> >> >> >> >> maana
>> >> >> >> >> ya
>> >> >> >> >> gharama
>> >> >> >> >> ya juu sana.Na kwa kuwa hata baada ya kuwa Mhe. MBOWE
>> >> >> >> >> amekwisha
>> >> >> >> >> lipwa
>> >> >> >> >> zaidi
>> >> >> >> >> ya nusu ya deni alilodai kuikopehsa CHADEMA, vifaa vyote
>> >> >> >> >> yakiwemo
>> >> >> >> magari,
>> >> >> >> >> vipaza sauti na kadhalika vimebakia kuwa mali yake binafsi,
>> basi
>> >> >> >> >> bila
>> >> >> >> >> kumficha nilimueleza kuwa huko ni kukinyonya chama kwa
>> kukigeuza
>> >> >> >> >> kitega
>> >> >> >> >> uchumi cha watu binafsi.Kuhusu suala la kulipa madeni kupitia
>> >> >> >> >> ruzuku
>> >> >> >> >> ya
>> >> >> >> >> serikali, nilimuomba Mhe. MBOWE afuatilie kwa Msajili wa
>> >> >> >> >> Vyama
>> >> >> >> >> vya
>> >> >> >> >> siasa
>> >> >> >> >> ili tupate ufafanuzi kama kweli fedha za ruzuku ya serikali
>> >> >> >> >> kwa
>> >> >> >> >> vyama
>> >> >> >> vya
>> >> >> >> >> siasa, inaweza kutumika kulipia madeni ya viongozi wa vyama
>> >> >> >> >> hivyo
>> >> >> >> >> yatokanayo na uchaguzi ili CHADEMA isiathirike kisheria.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Niseme kweli hapa kwamba, kwa vile wanaCHADEMA wengi
>> >> >> >> >> walinichagua
>> >> >> kuwa
>> >> >> >> >> Makamu Mwenyekiti, na hata mimi mwenyewe tulikuwa wagombea wa
>> >> >> >> >> nafasi
>> >> >> >> >> za
>> >> >> >> >> ubunge, udiwani n.k katika uchaguzi wa mwaka 2005
>> >> >> >> >> ningefarijika
>> >> >> >> >> sana
>> >> >> >> >> iwapo
>> >> >> >> >> na sisi tungerejeshewa angalau chochote cha kufidia gharama
>> >> >> >> >> zetu,
>> >> >> >> >> kwa
>> >> >> >> >> maana
>> >> >> >> >> kwamba kama chama kimeamua kurudisha gharama hizo kiwalipe
>> >> >> >> >> wote
>> >> >> badala
>> >> >> >> ya
>> >> >> >> >> kulipa madeni kwa wateule wachache".
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