Re: [wanabidii] Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus’ Date of Birth

That is pope"s view of which they may have some errors.

To my view this cant help believers but will keep them more confused.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com> wrote:

What the pope has said is not new in theological debates. I came across a similar discourse in the 1990s. I believe there are as many interpretations of an event as there are the number of people in the world.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 10:47 AM, amour chamani <abachamani@yahoo.com> wrote:

Mngonge,

Nimependa maneno yako japo hicho kimisheni kinanisumbua sana.

"Why should we keep on believing on something which
is contraversial?.  Will review of our religious history significantly
affect our faiths?"

Nadhani ni YES.

Walewale

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From: mngonge <mngonge@gmail.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:36 AM

Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus' Date of Birth

That is all about history! As all know religious writings were at the
begining based on verbal conversations for a number of centuries and
then changed into crude written history by so many prophets. To my
understanding it was a very tedious and intellectual business to bring
all the writings into a whole. Despite the fact that there was a
special power behind the move but still we can refine some of the
concepts under the same power. Bravo pope Benedict for coming out with
such observations. Why should we keep on believing on something which
is contraversial?.  Will review of our religious history significantly
affect our faiths?

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Kilasara Fratern
<kilasara.fratern@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is a good description for the 'historians' but for the 'innocent'
> faithful, I am afraid, it might end up confusing them; particularly, the
> last section, with the use of the word 'myth' being referred in the
> "Nativity Discourse."
>
> Now, it is time for the Church leaders to refrain from getting involved in
> discourses that are likely to confuse the faithful and instead 'keep it
> simple.' Too much philosophy and theological positions and counter-positions
> in our RC doctrines, that sometimes one feels lost in the middle of no
> where! Is there a way to keep it simple, in that, by focusing on the direct
> meaning revealed to us in the first encounter when we read the Bible for
> example than the ex-scatological meaning?
>
> For example, right now, as a believer, what is important is not the exact
> date when Jesus was born but, the fact that it is true that the Jesus we are
> talking about is real, He was born, and He lived in this world not only as a
> man but as the true Son of God and that today, the Jesus I encounter is the
> same throughout the ages, then, now, and in future. How do we enunciate the
> Living Jesus Christ into the lives of our faithful so that they not only
> experience Him in their lives but He actually leads their Spiritual Life?
> This is what the Church ought to do, but I am not sure on how best?
>
> Kilasara.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 7:04 PM, <josephludovick@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oooh that may be interesting to many even suprising to some.the pope in
>> his intellectual luminary has given us a food. Yes the food for the
>> intellect. Thank you holy father to still duc in ultum.
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>> Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus' Date of Birth
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>> The Pope is addressibg the year not the day and month. He may be right.
>> Matinyi.
>>
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>> From: "Pauline Mengi" <paulinemengi@gmail.com>
>> To: "Wanabidii" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: [wanabidii] Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus' Date of Birth
>> Date: Sat, Nov 24, 2012 7:00 am
>>
>>
>> Pope Benedict XVI has revealed in the third installment of his
>> trilogy, dedicated to the life of Christ, that Jesus may have been
>> born earlier than previously thought. The calendar we use today, which
>> commences with the birth of Christ and was created by a Dionysius
>> Exiguus, a 6th century monk, may be mistaken. According to the
>> Telegraph, the Pope explains in his book that Exiguus, who is
>> considered the inventor of the Christian calendar, "made a mistake in
>> his calculations by several years. The actual date of Jesus' birth was
>> several years before." The suggestion that Jesus wasn't actually born
>> on Dec. 25 has been tirelessly debated by theologians, historians and
>> spiritual leaders, but what makes this case different is that now the
>> leader of the Catholic Church is the one asking the questions.
>>
>> Pope Benedict's book, Jesus of Nazareth: The Infancy Narratives, was
>> published on Tuesday. Like the previous two installments, it's
>> predicted to be a best seller, and a million copies of the book have
>> already been printed. It is expected that the book will be translated
>> into another 20 languages for publication in 72 countries. The Infancy
>> Narratives follows the life of Jesus from conception to his
>> presentation in the temple at the age of 12. The Pope describes this
>> third book as a "small antechamber" to the trilogy on Jesus of
>> Nazareth, reports the Vatican Press Office.
>>
>> (MORE: Holy Hashtags! The Pope Will Soon Join the Tweeting Masses)
>>
>> Pope Benedict makes some controversial statements in the book. He
>> writes of how the Gospel of Matthew claims that Jesus was born when
>> Herod the Great ruled in Judea. However, given that Herod died in 4
>> B.C., Jesus must have been born earlier than Exiguus originally
>> documented. Arguments surrounding Jesus' exact date of birth have
>> confounded scholars for centuries. Even the Gospel of Luke contends
>> that the birth took place when Quirinius was governor of Syria in A.D.
>> 6.
>>
>> The author takes the opportunity not only to dispute the date of
>> Jesus' birth, but also to reaffirm the doctrine of the virgin birth as
>> an "unequivocal" truth of faith. Reuters writes that Benedict reminds
>> his readers that sexual intercourse did not play a part in the
>> conception of Jesus. He states that a belief in the virgin birth of
>> Christ is a "cornerstone of faith" and a sign of "God's creative
>> power." "If God does not also have power over matter, then he simply
>> is not God," the Pope argues. "But he does have this power, and
>> through the conception and resurrection of Jesus Christ he has ushered
>> in a new creation."
>>
>> Pope Benedict also examines the "question of interpreted history,"
>> referring in particular to the attempts of the Gospels, like those of
>> Matthew and Luke, to make sense of events after they had occurred,
>> notes Reuters. "The aim of the evangelists was not to produce an
>> exhaustive account," the Pope explains, "but a record of what seemed
>> important for the nascent faith community in the light of the word.
>> The infancy narratives are interpreted history, condensed and written
>> down in accordance with the interpretation."
>>
>> (MORE: Why Popes Never Have to Say Sorry)
>>
>> There have been countless interpretations of the birth, life and death
>> of Christ throughout history. One such interpreter is Bill Darlison,
>> former Unitarian Church minister and current vice president of the
>> General Assembly of Unitarian and Free Christian Churches in the
>> United Kingdom. Like others before him, he asks whether Christ was
>> actually born on Dec. 25 or whether perhaps he was born "on one of
>> about 150 other dates which have been proposed down through the
>> centuries. Was he born in Nazareth or in Bethlehem and, if Bethlehem,
>> was it Bethlehem in Judea or Bethlehem in Galilee?" He also argues
>> that the spiritual birth "is always a virgin birth, because it is not
>> related in any sense (except symbolically) to physical birth." In
>> 2004, TIME asked the same question, with David Van Biema wondering if
>> "one might be tempted to abandon the whole Nativity story as
>> 'unhistoric,' mere theological backing and filling."
>>
>> The historical revisionism continues with the Pope raising the issue
>> of the presence of animals at the birth of Christ. He reveals in Jesus
>> of Nazareth that "there is no mention of animals in the Gospels." This
>> may come as a shock to the thousands of schools currently preparing
>> their Nativity plays. But Pope Benedict reassures his readers not to
>> worry — that "no one will give up the oxen and the donkey in their
>> Nativity scenes," notes the Telegraph. Even if animals did not feature
>> at the birth, the Vatican seems happy to keep up the myth as it
>> presents an elaborate life-size Nativity scene in St. Peter's Square
>> this Christmas.
>>
>> Jesus of Nazareth: The Infancy Narratives is available in English and
>> published by Image Books. It follows the first two books, which dealt
>> with Christ's adult life and death.
>>
>> This article has been amended. The original version referred to the
>> conception of Jesus as "the Immaculate Conception." The term refers to
>> the life of Mary, mother of Jesus.
>>
>> Read more:
>> http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/22/pope-benedict-disputes-jesus-date-of-birth/#ixzz2D8mErZUX
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