Tuesday, 28 July 2015

Re: [wanabidii] UKAWA SUMU HAIONJWI HATA SIKU, UKIONJA UTAKUFA TU

John. nitakubaliana na wewe tarehe 26 October kuwa UKAWA waokote mtu ambaye katika bunge la katiba alikaa kimya wakati wote.
Ni kweli kabisa kuwa watu wenye akili tuliiunga mkono kwa sababu moja: kupitia kwao tuna matumaini ya katiba mpya.
Kitendo cha kuwakaribisha watu waliowahi kuwadhalilisha. na kwa maneno ya Mbowe kuwa walikuwa wanawasubiri watemwe na CCM hiyo ni balaa kwa watanzania. Uwezekano wa kuamua kubaki na CCm katika ngazi ya urais ni mkubwa sana na tunaendelea kuikosa katiba kwa sababu CCM inaweza kuendelea kugangamala. hatuwezi kuwaachia UKAWA wakaharibu nasi tukaendelea kuwanyamazia. Wameharibu na hakuna msamiati mwingine. maneno niliyosimyliwa kuwa yamesemwa na Mbowe yanakatisha tamaa na yanalazimika kuendelea kuwatumia kuunda upinzani badala ya kuongoza serikali.
Nani atawaamini watu wanaokiri kuwa hawakuwa na mgombea.

Unajua inaeleweka CHADEMA kuchukua mgombea mwenza kutoka CUF kuliko kutoa mgombea urais kutoka CCM?
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On Tue, 7/28/15, 'john msinde' via Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [wanabidii] UKAWA SUMU HAIONJWI HATA SIKU, UKIONJA UTAKUFA TU
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 8:26 PM

Nakubaliana
na wewe kabisa, Mama Ananilea. Natambua
wewe ni mwanaharakati wa mda mrefu. Katiba ni kiungo muhimu
katika kufumua huo mfumo. Ni katiba hiyo ya wananchi ndio
ilipigwa vita na hii serikali tuliyonayo, kwa maana hawako
tayari kwa mabadiliko ikiwa ni pamoja na kuweka sheria za
kupinga ufisadi. Kwa hivyo basi ili tupate katiba
itakayokidhi kama ilivyoridhiwa na wananchi ni budi kuwapa
uongozi wale walio tayari na katiba iliyopendekezwa (UKAWA).
Sasa nani watapenda awe mgombea wao hilo ni swali la
pili. Ila tunachojua huyo watakemsimamisha atafata misingi
ya hivyo vyama. AhsanteJohn




On Tuesday, July 28,
2015 6:31 PM, 'ananilea nkya' via Wanabidii
<wanabidii@googlegroups.com> wrote:



Sawa kabisa Mike,
Lakini huyo mtu ili aweze kufumua mfumo ni
lazima kuwe na misingi ya kikatiba inayompa nguvu nguvu na
zaidi inayoupa umma nguvu.
Ananilea Nkya
 E-mail:ananilea_nkya@yahoo.com

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On Tue, 7/28/15, 'Mike Zunzu' via
Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
wrote:

Subject: Re:
[wanabidii] UKAWA SUMU HAIONJWI HATA SIKU, UKIONJA UTAKUFA
TU
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com"
<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 4:05 PM

Kwenye

dunia ya leo jenda siyo hoja, tumekuja kuelewa na kuamin
zaidi kuliko pale mwanzo kuwa binadamu ni
sawa, kwa hiyo
suala la kutoa nafasi sawa
kwa wanawake na wanaume liko
sahihi, ila tu
nafasi kama hizo zisitolewe kwa lengo eti

kuweka usawa, kuwe na nia njema ya kufanya hivyo, naamini
kabisa hata kusudi lingelikuwa ni lazima kuwa
na Spika
mwanamke, kuna kinamama wengi tu
makini hawakupewa hiyo
nafasi na ninaamini
wangelifanya kazi bora kuliko kuwa mtu

mwenyenafasi nyetu kama hiyo kuwa msemaji wa chama. Je
kwa
nini binadam ni vigumu kunakili kwa
watu
wengini?Sipingani

sana na yule mtu anayesema mtu mmoja anaweza akawa chanzo
cha kufumua mfumo uliopo, inawezekana kabisa,
kwa mfano Rais
akijitoa kupambana na walio
chini yake wale watakaovunja
miiko ya
uongozi, anaweza. Anakataa kata kata kugeuzwa kuwa
jiwe la chumvi at any cost. Siyo mtu
kuanza uongozi kwa nguvu na kadiri muda
unavyopita nguvu
zinazidi kufifia na kuwa
mtizamaji kama wengine wasiokuwa na
mamlka
hayo. 



    On Tuesday, 28 July
2015, 15:36, 'ananilea nkya' via
Wanabidii
<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
wrote:

   

  Hapana John,
Mfumo unafumuliwa kwa kuweka misingi, siyo
mtu
mmoja (Rais). Misingi ya kufumua
mfumo  Katiba ya Wananchi
CCM waliizika
pale Dodoma. Tusijidanganye. Tulidanganywa

Bunge likiongozwa na mwanamke litakuwa poa kwa
wananchi-je
ni kweli Bunge lililoongozwa na
mwanamke limesaidia wananchi
au limewaumiza
zaidi?
Ananilea Nkya

 E-mail:ananilea_nkya@yahoo.com


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On Tue, 7/28/15, 'john msinde' via
Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
wrote:

 
Subject: Re:
[wanabidii] UKAWA SUMU
HAIONJWI HATA SIKU, UKIONJA UTAKUFA
TU
  To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com"
<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
  Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 12:39 PM
 
  Muhingo


unasema...'Kama
  ni
mfumo CCM imeonekana
kuufumua ndiyo maana
ikamtema

Lowasa....'
sidhani kama hii ni sahihi. Yaani kwa
 
kumtema Lowassa ndio imefumua mfumo. Sijui

lini wameanza
  kuufumua huo mfumo wa
ufisadi
-past
  habits die
hard. Kweli tunapoongolea
siasa
tunaongelea
  uendeshaji wa nchi, sio
kamari, lakini ni muhimu kuwa na
  madiliko
makubwa ya kimfumo
katika huo uendeshaji. Maana ni
  miaka
zaidi ya hamsini tumekua na mfumo ambao

umezidi
  kutuletea umaskini. Kwa
hiyo ni
wakati sasa wa
 
kubadilisha. Tuko
kwenye vita kwa hiyo si
busara kuchagua

silaha
kupigana na adui yako. Mimi mtazamo wangu uko
zaidi
  katika kuleta
mabadiliko ya
uendeshaji wa nchi. Lakini
  kumbuka Lowasa
alipokatwa
hakuna mtu CCM aliyethubutu kusema
  sababu
ya kukatwa kwake, lakini pia sikatai
anazo
kashfa za
  ufisadi kama walivyo
wanasiasa wengine. Ni 'kashfa'.

Kama lowasa atahamia UKAWA
na hao wengine uliowataja na
  kama
watapokelewa na UKAWA hatujalijua

bado. Ila kwa sasa
  tumjadili Lowasa
kama
ni mtu sahihi kwa UKAWA au la.
Lakini

lowasa pamoja na
kashfa zake bado ni mwanasiasa mwenye

mvuto
  kwa sasa (ana wafuasi wengi
wanaoangalia mazuri yake), na
  ndio maana
UKAWA wamevutiwa
nae wakijua mapungufu yake.
  lakini pia
tusisahau utendaji wake na uthubutu
wake
katika
  kutenda, sitaki kueleza hapa
mfano wa mazuri aliyoyatenda
  wengi

wanayafahamu. Tuzidi
  kutafakari! John
 
 
 
 
 
 
     On Tuesday, July 28,


2015 12:48 PM, 'ELISA MUHINGO' via
Wanabidii
  <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
wrote:
 
 
 
 
  John.

Unamuongelea Lowasa yupi
aliyeutumikia mfumo
  mbovu upi wa CCM?

Ninayemuongelea mimi ni
  Lowasa aliyekuwa
akikusanya
pesa za watu akizitoa makanisani

na misikitini. mfumo sawa ulimruhusu.
namuongelea Lowasa
  ambaye katika
kukusanya kura za maoni
ameonekana kutoa
pesa
  kupindukia.

namuongelea Lowasa ambaye wapambe wake ambao
  lazima ataongozana nao UKAWA  ni Chenge,
Lostam, Karamagi
  na
wengine. naongelea
Lowasa ambaye kila
aliyeona
  anavyotumia

pesa alizosema anapewa na marafikizake

alijiuliza atawalipaje watu hao ambao
hawataendelea
  kufuatilia malipo yao CCM
bali watamfuata
atakakokuwa. UKAWA
  inajiandaaje kumsaidia

Lowasa kuwatuliza watu hao?
  naongelea
hayo
na mengine yanayofanana nayo na
  ndugu John
tunapoongelea
siasa hatuzungumzii kamali au

mchezo wa mpira. Tunaongelea uendeshaji wa
nchi kwa
manufaa
  ya watu
wote.

Kumbuka watanzania
walipokuwa
  wanajenga

imani yao juu ya vyama vya upinzani na UKAWA sasa
  hawakuwa wanajenga imani yao juu ya bendera
za
vyama au
  magwanda
wanayovaa. Ni ahadi
zilizokuwa
zinaonyesha
  kutambuliwa kwa
matatizo yao. naongelea hayo yaliyosemwa na

UKAWA.
 
Kama ni mfumo CCM imeonekana
kuufumua
  ndiyo maana ikamtema Lowasa.
Watanzania wanataka mabadiliko.
  Wakiyakosa
ndani ya CCM
watayapata nje. S\asa CCM

imefanya kazi kubwa. Imefumua mfumo kwa kuanza
kuwatema
  akina Lowasa.
 
Nawaza kuwa
huenda
 
wakayafurahia mabadiliko kwa
sababu 
hawana chuki na CCM
  ila mfumo.
Mfumo ilioanza kuufumua.
 
Nisaidie
  John kunielewesha zaidi.
 


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  On Tue, 7/28/15, 'john msinde'
via
  Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
  wrote:
 

 
Subject: Re:
 
[wanabidii] UKAWA SUMU
HAIONJWI HATA SIKU,
UKIONJA UTAKUFA
  TU
 
To: "wanabidii@googlegroups.com"
  <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
  Date: Tuesday, July 28, 2015, 12:08 PM
 
  najaribu
 
  kuchangia hoja ya
comments
za Muhingo na Mollel, kwa
  mtazamo
  wangu hili
halina shida kwenye
  siasa. lazima
tukubali kwenda
  na
 
mabadiliko. upepo wa
siasa ndiko huko
unakoelekea, lakini
  pia

tujifunze na siasa za nchi nyingine.
 
wakati
Kibaki
  alipohama
KANU Alisingiziwa
  ni fisadi lakini
akashinda
 
uraisi, na
  tunaona siasa za kenya

zilivyobadilika baada ya
  changamoto
za
upinzani. maendeleo pia


yamepatikana. Ugomvi
 
wa ufisadi nchini
sio
  wa
mtu, ni tatizo la kimfumo. watu
  wengi
  hamtaki kelewa hili.
Kwa
hiyo tatizo sio Lowasa tatizo
  ni
mfumo wa chama alichokuwapo kabla ya

kuingia UKAWA. kama
  alikua ni fisadi
kwa
  nini hadi leo hakuna hatua zozote
 
  zilizochukuliwa dhidi
yake?
sasa basi kama lowasa
  anahamia
  UKAWA ataendana
na mfumo na sera
  za UKAWA ambazo
zinagiga
 
vita ufisadi
wa
  kimfumo sio wa mtu

mojamoja ili kuleta
 


ustawi kwa watanzania. lengo ni kuleta
mabadiliko ya
  siasa
 
nchini kwa hiyo kama
lengo la UKAWA
  ni kushika dola njia
 
iliyotumika ni sahihi.
  The
ends justify the means. Ndugu
  Muhingo
  inabidi upanue
fikra kuendena na hali halisi
ya
  siasa na kuelewa hasa maana ya
  mageuzi.wasalaamJohn
   

 
 
 

 
     
  On
Tuesday, July 28,
  2015 10:31 AM,
 
'ELISA MUHINGO' via Wanabidii
 
  <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
  wrote:
 
   
 
 

    Molel nadhani
una
  matatizo. Toka tumepata uhuru siasa
za
  Tanzania zinasema
 
maadui wetu ni Ujinga,
  Maradhi na umaskini.
How
comes you
  are

telling people that in Politics we dont have
permanent
  enemies. It is America that
dont have
permnent
 
friends
  though
you can
not creat enemities
  beterrn it and
Israel.
  usyaly we dont
have
  enemity with people but their
  behaviours.
  Hooligans
cant
change just because they have
  changed
memberships of
political parties
 


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  On Mon, 7/27/15, 'Lesian Mollel'
  via
  Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
  wrote:
 

 
 
Subject: Re:
 

[wanabidii] UKAWA SUMU
  HAIONJWI HATA
SIKU,
UKIONJA UTAKUFA
 
TU
   
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
    Date: Monday, July 27, 2015, 2:16 AM
   
    Elisa
muhingo,siasa
  hujui
   
na hutakaa ujue coz
unalazimisha
  ubongo wako
 
kwenda
   
  kusikotakiwa
mzee,read
here
  carefully'
 
in politics we
    dont have
a
  permeernent enemy'
elewa bro au
niweke
 
kwa
    kiswahiki

sanifu....kwenye siasa
  hakunaga
  uadui wa kudumu
   
  ,,,,,,,
 
 
Remeber slaa
  katoka ccm'sasa
   
lowasa
  kuingia chadema

ni shida mzee,kwann asiingie
  ilhali
    ni mtanzani na hana hatia yeyote
  na ana mengi
  ambayo
anayo
    sirini na kibaya
zaidi anungwa
  na watu wengi ambao
nyinyi

 
  hamuwaoni
 
kabisaaaaa,ila wao wanojua siasa

wanaona'stop
    your eneminity

bropeace
  and love...usije ufe
  na dhambi ya
    chuki
 
 

Lesian
   
    Hosea
Ndaki
  <hosea.ndaki@gmail.com>
    wrote:
   
    Tuwe
  na subira,
ccm
  wameshatangaza wa kwao,
 
 
 
tusubiri na wengine ukawa
chadema cuf adc
act, na tuone
  sera
   
na ilani ya kila
  mmoja,

hatuwezi
  kufanya maamuzi kwa
  mwali
    mmoja
aliyechezwa
 
  ngoma
wakati wengine bado
wako kwa
   
  shangazi
  na kungwi.
   
    Hatujazijua
  sera za
ccm
na
  ilani yao ya
   
uchaguzi, hivyo
  hivyo kwa ukawa na

wengine, kipenga
 
 
kikishapulizwa na kila mmoja
  akaanza
kujinadi ndipo
    tutafanya maamuzi.
 
Tukizidisha makelele
 

tutawachanganya
    wazee wetu, tutulie
 
  kwanza.
   

   
2015-07-26
  22:51
 
GMT+03:00
   
 
'jbifabusha' via
 
Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>:
    Mtalika.
    Una
mapenzi
  ya
  kupitiliza
kwa CCM.
   
  kwani ni
lazima UKAWA
  kuweka mgombea?
  Usituchoshe
na
    ngonjera
 
  zako.
    WSent from
Samsung
 
 

  Mobile
   
   
 

 
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    From: 'mpombe

mtalika' via
    Wanabidii <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
   
    Date: 
 
  To: ELISA
   
  MUHINGO' via
Wanabidii
<wanabidii@googlegroups.com>
   
    Subject:
[wanabidii]
  UKAWA
  SUMU
HAIONJWI
    HATA
  SIKU,
UKIONJA UTAKUFA TU
 
 
   
 
 
   

   
   


 
    Sasa ni karibia
wiki ya tatu hivi
tangu
 
chama
    tawala
   
kutangaza
  mgombea wake

wa
  Urais, Mh. John Pombe Magufuli.
   
   
   

   

   


  Hapo nyuma
  UKAWA walisikika
wakitamba
kuwa wanamsubiri

 
 
kwa
   
  umakini mkubwa
mgombea wa CCM, ili
 

wajipange
 
  kumsambaratisha. Baada ya
  uteuzi
    wa mgombea wa
CCM,
  UKAWA ni kama
 
wameingia kizunguzungu na
 
  kigugumizi,
  maana
 
  mahesabu yao
yamegota vibaya.
   
   


   
   
Kinachoonejana
dhahiri ni kwamba uhai wa
  UKAWA
  unapewa
    uhalali tu
  na makosa
ya
    chama tawala.

Chama tawala
  kinapo weka mambo
  yao safi na kwa
   
umakini,
UKAWA
   
wanaishiwa
  hoja
na
uhalali wa kisiasa, kwa
  vile wao
  wenyewe
    hawana
unifying
    ideology, apart from being
reactionary!
   
   

   

 
  Tunachoshudia hivi sasa katika
UKAWA,
  kushindwa vibaya

 
  kukubaliana juu ya
   
mgombea wao urais ni
  kiekelezo tosha
kuwa
  UKAWA ni utapeli
   
wa kisiasa kati ya
   

mambumbumbu wanao wania
urais.
   
    Hawajui
nni awawakilishe na
 
 
hawajui huko wanaenda
kufanya
    nini.Hii
  ni
  hatari kubwa!
   
    Watu
  wanaonadiwa
na
mamluki
  wa kibiashara
inaelekea
    watainunua UKAWA
  wakati
 

  wowote ule na ni
  kwa nia moja tu,
kukamata dili zote za
 
 
dola
    ili
wanufaike
 
  kiuchumi.
Lakini wananchi makini
 
wanaendekea
    kugutuka.
   
 
 

 
   
  Tunajua kuwa hata
wapinzani
ni watanzania
 

na huko kuna
    watu
   
  makini
  kitaifa.
   
    Simpigii debe Dr
 
Skaa
  lakini haingii akilini
Dr Slaa
 

  kumtangaza
Lowassa kuwa
   
  fisadi,
halafu kula
  matapishi yake
bila
  maelezo na
   
kumkaribisha
 
  fisadi
huyo

  huyo kukipigia
debe chama
  chao.
   

   
 

 
 
   
  Maendeleo ya Tanzania ni kuwa na upinzani
 
  makini utakao
    sahihisha kama sio
 
 
kupiku chama tawala.Kwa ujinga huu wa
 
kukumbatia ufisadi
    ulio


temwa na chama
    tawala, UKAWA
  unawakaribisha kina Rosta na
  Karamaga and
  co.
    iliwagawane rasilmali
 
 
za nchi hii.
   
   
   
   


Mungu
  bariki, mpaka hivi sasa ndani
ya
  UKAWA ni mtafaruku wa
   
kukaribia
    kusambaratika kwani
 
hawajui
  wanaenda Ikulu

kufanya nini na
    kwa

 
madhumuni gani
   
kwa

mwananchi wa
kawaida.
   

 
 
   


  Sumu haionjwi
   
   


   
   

 
   
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