Makwiny,
Is this a responsible argument? Would you have asked me the same if I were a man instead, for instance? Or, it is a way to escape facing reality. How will this type of response help with finding solution to African problems at hand?
Don't force me to generalize my statement, but this is chauvinistic type of discrimination which is unacceptable in present society. This is why, we need more women in the leadership.
However, I am not going to back down………I am going to remain firm and straight to the point. Please answer…….....
1) After Oburu established that he got information from Mosad which is an Israel's intelligence agency, the question now remain HOW he got that information, or, is he or his brother Raila an agent, a recruit or an informer of the same agency?
2) Why is Raila so DRAMATIC and LOUD in his events here in the USA, he is full of theatre, why is it that, he never behaved this way before President Obama became the President of USA; what is he trying to achieve?
3) Why did Raila not go to Israel for that matter, why USA? OR, are you trying to cook-up theories that the late Tom Mboya's project is trying to finish Raila KOdinga???
4) Since Raila made sure that Obamas' first inauguration was not provided with prominence and dignified coordination at Kenyan Embassy, is he here to fail African Presidential Summit as well? Why is Raila's dramatic events keep timing with those of Obamas' activities for Africa. Is Raila spanner at work meant to obstruct Obama from doing his foreign work in Africa? What is he up to? Look at what he did in July 2013, running like Antelope to South Africa express via Kenya to USA and back to Kenya, just when Obama's trip to Africa in August was ready to take off.......what did that explain? Is he now on his round two, the second leg? What will his final round look like???
Good people, intelligent questions demands favorable answers NOT MATUSI. It is because, insults
do not say anything of substance.
Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
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On Mon, 5/12/14, Lee Makwiny <amosogal@gmail.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [PK] PRESS STATEMENT ON THE PLOT TO KILL HON. RAILA ODINGA
To: "Wakenya Google group" <wanakenya@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "uchunguzi online" <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>, "Wanabidii Googlegroups" <wanabidii@googlegroups.com>, "Mabadiliko" <mabadilikotanzania@googlegroups.com>, "Change Mombasa" <changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com>, "Kenya Canada" <kenya-can@yahoogroups.com>, "Vugu Vugu Mashinani" <VuguVuguMashinani@yahoogroups.com>, "kol" <kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>, "progressive-kenyans" <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 12, 2014, 7:43 AM
Judy,
Did you by any chance, had an affair with Raila and it went EAST? You sound like a jilted lover.
Thank you
On Mon, May 12, 2014 at 1:37 PM, 'Judy Miriga' via WANAKENYA <wanakenya@googlegroups.com> wrote:
My dear Mohamedweli,
1) This fight is not about religion or about Muslim and Christianity, but it is
a war between Africans and the greedy rich whites who hate Africans and have
sponsored greedy African politicians to commit genocide on their own people, and
yes, the boy apprehended for bomb attack in Kenya was not a Muslim.....except we
all must understand the following:
You do not terrorize with empty hands. You must have organized and well equiped
trained gang to do terrorism acts. The genesis of the problem is the political
calculus by Kenyan politicians who engaged in a free-flow watergate of illegal
and undocumented Somalis into Kenya. It was an organized scheme and this is the
key point I am trying to drive home. The idea was to open ways for Al-shabaab
from predominant illegal Somali loaded with arms, to gain entry into Kenya; this
included the sneaky Boko Haram, and as a result, they took advantage to enrol the
local recruits, who became easy prey from joblessness. These politicians who engaged
in this kind of deal did not do it to benefit the people of Kenya or the people of
East Africa, they did it for their own selfish ego for greediness, trying to steal
public wealth to enrich themselves. It is the reason why plan to shed their own
people's blood to pave way for their pay-masters.
Mohamedweli, we are all into this mess because we have been pushed into it and our
own brothers and sisters are suffering as a result......this is you included and it
is because you are Africa; unless you are part of the benefitiary who have agreed to
kill and exterminate Africans to pave ways for the selfish and greedy white illegal
occupation in Africa. We could be on the same page Mohamedweli, suffering the same
fate.
The political diversity from democratic rule had to make sure that the Government
system was broken and was made dysfunctional. Law and order was dismissed by the
political hooligans, messengers of doom played Kagame/Museveni style of leadership
in Kenya. This big mess took place during Raila/Kibaki Coalition Government. If
Immigration was in the hands of Raila's control, why did he let this department fail
the Country? This is my question........If Israel had an economic gain from Kenya,
it was Raila and Museveni who visited Israel sneakily to seal deals they did not want
people to know about, then they fooled the world that they met accidentally at the
Israel hotel in Jerusalem after making many trips to meet with Museveni in Kampala.
The trio, Raila, Kagame and Museveni then recruited Salva Kiir in the spoil, they
taught him bad manners, which is why there is problem in South Sudan. Recently,
two days ago, Museveni was heard boasting in Lancaster house in London that no one
can order him in South Sudan.......and right on his word, Salva Kiir army joined
with Museveni's Army UPDF raided and attacked the Opposition and killed 27 people
of the opposition led by Riek Machar hours after signing peace agreement.
If Israel with the rich white African haters have interest in Africa, why cant
African politicians engage in mature and profitable politics of making gainful
deals that benefit them as well as their people, to be shared in a balance under
trading principles of "Give and Take" ??? How did the late Tom Mboya succeed???
It is because, not all white business community out there are bad, there are
some good whites in the world who genuinely want to engage in fair business and
not that of killing and exterminating Africans for forceful illegal occupation.
Raila is therefore in a mission in the USA to fulfil his mission with Mosad
they had with Museveni. Mosad is the Israel's intelligence agency. We demand
clear explaination how Oburu got these information. We must be told first and
foremost by Raila and Museveni, what business interest deals they had promised
Israel which the people of East Africa dont know??? If Uhuru was with Museveni
and Kagame to kill Raila, Uhuru would not have negotiated to release South Sudan
prisonners Kiir and Museveni had sealed not to be set free. President Uhuru
would not have lobbyied for Riek Machar to meet with Salva Kiir to sign a peace
agreement which John Kerry presided.
President Obama is hosting African Leadership Forum in August this year, do you
think Raila is happy??? Is Raila finished with his mission agenda deal he had
with Israel which they shared with Museveni??? Raila has some explaining to do.
If there are people planning to kill Raila, then him and his brother know better
what they have done or have promised and have not delivered and they must explain
to the world. It is as a result of making secret deals people dont know about.
If we ask for explanation, we have not wronged or betrayed anyone. We just want
clarity.......which is why I repeat that, Raila should stop interfering with USA
peace. This Raila, Laila and Laura factor need some clarity.........
This is hard ball Raila must play very well and inform the world what is cooking
and he must stop scapegoating with cry-baby. If he has his toolbox complete, let
go for the test..........
Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
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Israel 'sneaked' Museveni out
By RISDEL KASASIRA
Posted Monday, November 21 2011 at 00:00
President Museveni's recent visit to Israel was arranged by the former director of Mosad, the Israel's intelligence agency, without the knowledge of senior officials from Uganda's embassy in Tel Aviv, reports have indicated.
Mr Rafi Eitan, was quoted by an Israel Haaretz newspaper yesterday, saying he is President Museveni's long-time friend and helped him to visit Israel.
The former spy chief, now a businessman, is also reported to be trying to establish business operations in Uganda that include setting up a cattle ranch.
However, the Foreign Affairs Permanent Secretary, Ambassador James Mugume, dismissed the reports of Mr Eitan organising the President's visit.
"Those are speculators. If an individual was in involved in organising that trip, I would have known," Ambassador Mugume said, "I don't know him and I am not aware of his business plans in Uganda."
Mr Eitan is reported to have attended official meetings that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Shimon Peres in Jerusalem had with Mr Museveni.
On his previous visit, the newspaper said, in 2003, Mr Museveni met with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and with Netanyahu, who was then Foreign minister, mainly to discuss Israeli arms sales to Uganda.
President Museveni has also made trips to India, Tanzania and Kenya in less than a month while Presidents Sharif of Somalia, Salva Kiir of South Sudan and Faure Gnassingbe of Togo have visited Uganda, a scenario that is seen as a an intensified diplomatic campaign by the Kampala regime.
Haaretz also said Israel Foreign Affairs officials, who came to receive Mr Museveni at the airport in Tel Aviv, were surprised to see Mr Eitan, whom they say had not been invited, at the tarmac waiting to shake Mr Museveni's hand.
But Amb. Mugume said the presence of Mr Eitan means the government was aware.
"It's not reasonable because how did he enter the airport and later attend the meetings, if he indeed attended those meetings?" Amb. Mugume said.
President Museveni spent four days in the Middle East meeting Israel business community and politicians. He also coincidentally found himself in the same hotel with Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga.
The two leaders were reportedly not aware of each other's visit.
A statement issued by State House on the President's visit last week said the Ugandan leader was in the Middle East to woo investors to Uganda.
rkasasira@ug.nationmedia.com
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/-/688334/1276544/-/bgreefz/-/index.html
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Nobody can order me on South Sudan - Museveni
President Museveni addresses investors during the UK-Uganda Business Forum at Lancaster House, London, on Tuesday. He defended UPDF presence in South Sudan. PPU PHOTO
By TABU BUTAGIRA
In Summary
No pulling out. The President says he has restored 'core stability' in South Sudan so no country, not even the US, should tell him when or where not to deploy UPDF troops.
KAMPALA- President Museveni has blamed the spiraling violence in South Sudan, which, has resulted in the death of hundreds and displacement of over a million people, on the country's 'sectaria' leaders.
Deputy presidential spokesperson, Ms Lindah Nabusayi, in a statement quoted Mr Museveni as having told Ms Justin Greening, the UK Secretary for International Development in a meeting in London that the "South Sudan problem can be solved by regional leaders".
"He (Museveni) regretted that South Sudan leaders have succumbed to sectarian ideology instead of fronting a united country, adding that he was talking to both leaders to ensure that peace prevails."
"He explained that sectarianism is based on the failure by the leaders to understand that their tribal groups are inter-dependent on one another," the statement read in part.
The South Sudan conflict began as a political power contest between President Salva Kiir and his former vice Riek Machar that in December snowballed into military clashes fought along Dinka-Nuer ethnic lines of Kiir and Machar,
respectively.
The UPDF deployed, Mr Museveni said, on the request of the South Sudan government, in time to help save President Kiir from being toppled.
Both Museveni and Kiir have visited each other in Kampala and Juba, to find a lasting solution to the conflict that Inter-Governmental Authority on Development [Igad] is working hard to resolve.
Mr Museveni in London yesterday defended Uganda's military's continued presence in South Sudan, where he said UPDF restored "core stability", saying it was not up to any country or the US to tell him where or not to deploy troops.
In an interview the BBC aired on Tuesday, President Museveni said the Nigerian government should not negotiate with Boko Haram because the militant group, which has about 230 school girls held in captive, is "ideologically bankrupt".
The group last Sunday again abducted eight school girls, aged 12-15.
"If you are fighting the government, why do you abduct children?" he told the BBC in an interview.
"I think it will be a mistake to think that the government of Nigeria [should] negotiate with these people."
Basing on Uganda's experience of tackling the Joseph Kony-led Lord's Resistance Army rebel group that for 19 years used terror and conscription to build its rank in northern Uganda, Mr Museveni said Boko Haram should first be defeated militarily.
He said: "You can use carrot-and-stick [approach] if you are dealing with somebody who has logic. What's the programme of these people? "
Boko Haram, literally translated, 'western education forbidden', is an Islamist group whose leader has in a video post threatened to sell the female students they kidnapped on April 14.
The group's actions are "disgusting, immoral and vile", the UK Foreign Secretary William Hague said in London on Tuesday.
President Museveni made his first public comments on the group while on a three-day visit to the UK, charming wealthy British citizens to invest their money in Uganda.
Kiir, Machar to meet
South Sudan president Salva Kiir and his former deputy-turned military foe, Dr Riek Machar, are expected, under international pressure, to meet tomorrow for direct talks in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia.
The UN and African Union separately confirmed the planned face-to-face talks, the first since troops loyal to the two principals clashed in Juba in December last year, sparking a civil war that humanitarian agencies, say had by end of March claimed hundreds of lives and displaced more than a million people
"The special envoys (on South Sudan crisis) expect that this critical meeting will help end the violence and killings in South Sudan and provide the necessary impetus to the ongoing Igad-led mediation process," Igad said in a statement on Tuesday. Ethiopian prime minister and Igad chairman Hailemariam Desalegn convened and will chair the talks, according to the statement.
The rival South Sudanese political honchos capitulated to direct dialogue after talks with US Secretary of State John Kerry during his Africa tour last week. The US on Tuesday, imposed sanctions on Maj Gen Marial Chanuong, the head of president Kiir's elite republican guard and renegade SPLA general Peter Gadet who commands the Machar-led rebel group.
tbutagira@ug.nationmedia.com
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Museveni-blames-Juba-war-on-sectarianism-/-/688334/2307298/-/format/xhtml/item/1/-/rek6jq/-/index.html
UPDF used cluster bombs in South Sudan, says UN report
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Prime Minister Raila Odinga and Uganda President Yoweri Museveni were surprised to bump into each other in Jerusalem last week. The two had visited Israel at the same time but are said to have been unaware of each other's presence. It took the Israeli ambassador to Kenya, Gil Haskel, who is also accredited to Uganda, to inform both that the other leader was visiting. "Ambassador Haskel even suggested holding an unplanned 'East African Summit' in the lobby of the the prestigious King David Hotel in Jerusalem," said an embassy official.
Both leaders agreed to divert from strict protocol to the ambassador's spontaneous initiative. The King David hotel, where they stayed in Jerusalem, immediately mobilised and managed to prepare an improvised formal conference room in the hotel lobby, which included the flags of both nations.
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On Mon, 5/12/14, Mohamedweli Abdi manderaeast@gmail.com [uchunguzionline] <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [uchunguzionline] Re: [PK] PRESS STATEMENT ON THE PLOT TO KILL HON. RAILA ODINGA
To: "uchunguzi online" <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "Kenya Canada" <kenya-can@yahoogroups.com>, "Vugu Vugu Mashinani" <VuguVuguMashinani@yahoogroups.com>, "kol" <kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>, progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com, "changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com" <changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com>, "wanakenya@googlegroups.com" <wanakenya@googlegroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 12, 2014, 2:20 AM
Judy,
I thought the bombers were Luos. Kevin Odhiambo is not
Somali nor Muslim.
So stop peddling your lies and accept Luos are terrorist
too.
I guess its time we round up all Luos.
Weli
On May 12, 2014 3:41
AM, "Judy Miriga jbatec@yahoo.com
[uchunguzionline]" <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
Well, I shall keep my ears and eyes open and hope that the
report come out
soon for us to share and evaluate contents of its facts for
us to debate
and weigh Kenyan politics in the world moving forward. Also
I am glad that,
this exchange ignited deeper thoughts with insights about
how to engage
in productive politics rather than promoting a defitist one,
and how the
later can turn deadly with serious insecurities.
Politics can be good and bad at the same time. Good when
consensus is
reached collectively to fulfil demands of the majority. Bad
when it
becomes a one-man-show, man-eat-man society, who takes the
National cake
for themselves to share with their own family with cronies;
and all
others are left to scramble in the margin-line of poverty
without hope.
...... They are told, "Mukae hivyo hivyo, na Mungu
atawabariki".
The late Tom Mboya mastered the arts that of shared
responsibilities for
success. At age 30 he had planted a lot of good seeds that
brought good
results. If only he was given chance to do more, there
would not be any
trace of tribalism or disunity in Kenya. East Africa would
have remained
peaceful because of good planning. If everybody is peaceful
and satisfied
with what individuals earn for a living, why would people
let terrorists
gain grounds? If you destroy structure of Institutional
Government fabric
causing it to dysfunction, what do you expect?
Politics has never been easy the whole world, but if you
engage productively,
you get something and everybody else also gets. It was
greed and selfishness
of self Ego with chest thumping that was the result conflict
between Jaramogi
Oginga Odinga and the late Tom Mboya and finally, it drifted
to institutional
collapse giving way to terrorism with insecurity that
African haters found
opportunity to capitalize from in order to exterminate
Africans from Africa.
We are seeing calculus of the repeat of the same, and this
is unacceptable...
We shall not entertain political schemes or scandals that
will continue to
drift us apart. With the new undocumented Somalis with new
fake IDs in Kenya,
if the indigenous Kikuyus, Kalenjins, the Coastal
Mijikendas, the Luos etc.,
shall remain scattered; the Somalis will take political
might with economic
control of Kenya by storm.
I see Kikuyus with all other indigenous tribal groups in
Kenya as true Kenyans
and this is the time to mend ties with all Kenyans in order
that, we are able to
fix Somali, Congo, South Sudan, with the rest of other
regional problems. Kenya is
strategic to resolve regional problems and Kenya cannot
afford to be distabilized
by Museveni and Kagame.......and we all know that Unity is
strength.........and
we cannot afford to burn down bridges for our destruction
and extermination.
I wish to thank you because, you tried your best to keep
argument on your side alive.
When the boat has reached the point of sinking, there will
be no alternative or
otherwise but to swim and cross over to be on the safe
side.............
Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
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On Sun, 5/11/14, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [PK] PRESS STATEMENT ON THE PLOT TO KILL HON.
RAILA ODINGA
To: "Progressive Kenyans" <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "wanakenya@googlegroups.com"
<wanakenya@googlegroups.com>,
"changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com"
<changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com>,
"Kenya Canada" <kenya-can@yahoogroups.com>,
"kol" <kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>,
"uchunguzi online" <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>,
"Vugu Vugu Mashinani" <VuguVuguMashinani@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 11, 2014, 6:54 PM
Judy,
Have a nice evening.
Make sure you have fresh material about Raila
this coming week.
Kikuyus really love you for your contributions
here about Raila.
Okuchego ema chieng'moro noyiki kendo ema
nyalo konyi ka in gi tab. (Your contributions
are very insightful and makes us think deeper about
issues).
Courage
On Sun, May 11, 2014
at 6:38 PM, 'Judy Miriga' via Progressive Kenyans
<progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>
wrote:
You may doubt or call it bull, but that it is the honest
truth.
He knows it, I know it, as well as those who have
witnessed
the
reality of the matter I am talking about in different
instances,
have witnessed and have their own version narratives.
Well,
as
far as I am concerned, I have nothing to hide. The truth
shall
reveal itself in due course............
Nice day and enjoy your
weekend...............Cheers!!!!!!!!
Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
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On Sun, 5/11/14, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: Re: [PK] PRESS STATEMENT ON THE PLOT TO KILL
HON.
RAILA ODINGA
To: "wanakenya@googlegroups.com"
<wanakenya@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "Progressive Kenyans" <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>,
"changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com"
<changemombasa2012@yahoogroups.com>,
"Kenya Canada" <kenya-can@yahoogroups.com>,
"kol" <kenyaonline@yahoogroups.com>,
"uchunguzi online" <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>,
"Vugu Vugu Mashinani" <VuguVuguMashinani@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 11, 2014, 6:17 PM
Judy,
Please stop feeding us bull. You don't care
about Raila's safety. You want him dead and I'm
sure
if he dies, you will celebrate.
I don't know what personal thing happened
between the 2 of you but I hope you can take the
opportunity
now that Raila is in Boston, to talk to him and find a
solution. That kind of hate will kill you from the
inside.
Remember, hate is the acid that destroys the
container.
Courage
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