Sawa Eric Mburi but why du U invest your brain and thinking capacities kwa hawa wanaohukumu????? Jengeni Kenya yenyu na kama yupo mwenye alikosea ,just forgive him or her as Jesus Christ alivyosamehe wenye waliomtendea uovu, then move forward kama yeye (Yesu) alivyoanguka, akasimama na kuendelea na safari ya ukombozi. Mtapambana huku hata Shilingi yenu ikishuka value lakini mnazungumzia tu Netherland. Why????
On Sunday, November 24, 2013 5:11 PM, Mburi Eric <ewabwaya@hotmail.com> wrote:
Mgeta,
Tuligawana hata kabla ya Uchaguzi nashangaa haujui ndugu
Nyakwar Mburi
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 06:05:41 -0800
From: mgeta2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: [PK] Re: Why Kenya Is Determined To Stop ICC Cases
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Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 06:05:41 -0800
From: mgeta2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: [PK] Re: Why Kenya Is Determined To Stop ICC Cases
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Wakenya.
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On Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:15 PM, Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com> wrote:
Samuel N Omwenga,
My beef with you has ALWAYS been about
FACTS and how you use or misuse them!
I've known Ambassador Amina Mohamed,
PERSONALLY, ever since she was a junior legal officer at the Kenya
Ministry of Foreign Affairs! In that period, i happened to have been
part of the same Kenya delegation, with Amb Amina Mohammed, to a
UN-related conference in Nice, France. During the same period, i also
worked fairly closely with the same Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Amb
James Simani) when i developed and defended a Kenyan Cabinet paper
before the "UN sub-Committee on Peaceful Uses of Outer Space"!
Now, i do not wish to categorically deny
it, tell me EXACTLY WHEN Amb Amina Mohammed "worked at the UN Security
Council as a legal advisor"???!!! Also, since you are so much on this
ICC commentary, do you believe, as George Kegoro alleged at The
Assembly of State Parties to The Rome Statute at The Hague, that "the
Kenya Constitution does not provide immunity for the President"???!!!
What is your take on Article 143 of The Kenya Constitution that he
relied on to support his argument???!!!
Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.
On 11/23/13, khaguli maurice <mkhaguli@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Courage,
> We said and the truth is truth!!!!! Uhuru is a "curse", Uhuru is purely "a
> fraud" Uhuru is a "dangerous" president evr witnessed in Kenyan History.
> Afadhali mkoloni/beberu and for PEV VICTIMS and entire country to feel at
> peace with Uhuru he "must" attend trials-simple! otherwise the country is
> bleeding slowly..........and no one can predict the outcome
> We stand to emphasize the truth, truth is one!
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:06 AM, Maurice Oduor
> <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wakili,
>>
>>I know you're tying your best to convince us of your point of view but that
>> point of view is not viable right now. The cases can not be deferred. That
>> would be inflicting further pain to the victims and their families.
>>
>>The only solution is for Uhuru to show that he's facilitating compensation
>> to the victims and national reconciliation in Kenya. He's doing none of
>> that. There's no talk of compensation and reconciliation is out the window
>> if one goes by the way we've seen Uhuru making government appointments.
>> He's tribalised government even more than he found it. His government is
>> not inclusive at all. that is not something that can endear him to the ICC
>> or the international community, leave alone to the remaining 40 tribes in
>> Kenya.
>>
>>
>>
>>A lot of taxpayers' money has been wasted to solve his problems, problems
>> he told us were personal.
>>
>>
>>1. Kalonzo and delegation went on the shuttle mission to all kinds of
>> countries to try and get deferral
>>
>>
>>2. Ruto and MPs traveling back and forth to the Hague on the Taxpayers'
>> dime
>>
>>
>>3. The recent Special Session of the AU in Addis
>>
>>
>>4. Amina Mohamed going to New York with a delegation
>>
>>
>>5. Githu Muigai and his delegation to Assembly of States at the Hague
>>
>>
>>All these are paid for by the poor Taxpayer just to protect 2 people
>> !!!!!! This is fraud against the Kenyan Taxpayer.
>>
>>
>>
>>Uhuru and Ruto better start talking compensation and also start
>> facilitating national reconciliation.
>>
>>
>>Courage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Samuel Omwenga <somwenga@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>In my column this week Why Kenya Is Determined To Stop ICC Cases, I offer
>> my theory as to why the president and his team wants the case against him
>> deferred, referred or altogether terminated.
>>>Excerpt:
>>>Former President Mwai Kibaki flagged off the first
> shuttle diplomacy in early 2011 intended to have the Kenyan ICC cases
> deferred. These efforts were led by former Vice-President Kalonzo
> Musyoka, who failed to deliver as tasked.
>>>
>>>
>>>Round two got underway a few months ago, this time
> flagged off by President Uhuru Kenyatta and headed by Cabinet Secretary
> for Foreign Affairs Amina Mohamed, an accomplished career diplomat.
>>>
>>>
>>>With her background, and in particular having
> worked at the UN Security Council as legal advisor, it was expected that a
> different outcome would yield to this second effort to obtain a
> deferral.
>>>
>>>
>>>Unfortunately – or fortunately, depending on who's
> talking, Amina's efforts to secure a deferral, too, have failed albeit
> on a very interesting UNSC vote: seven members voted in the affirmative,
> while eight, including the US, abstained.
>>>…
>>>
>>>
>>>By abstaining, the US and other seven members of
> the Security Council who are also signatories of the Rome Statute, sent a
> clear message: We hear you Kenya; we sympathize with you but in
> balancing the needs of the post-election violence victims, we have to
> see you doing more before we can throw our weight behind your request,
> not necessarily for a deferral, but other ways to bring these cases to
> an end to everyone's satisfaction in the name of national peace and
> reconciliation.
>>>…
>>>
>>>
>>>Meanwhile, the UK is pushing for a compromise to
> have the ICC amend its rules and make it possible for the President to
> appear via video. While allowing this is a win for the President, it may not
> be enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>Put another way, even though this will be good for
> the President, it will not array the President's concerns that appear to be
> at the core of this dogged determination to terminate or refer the
> cases back home for a local solution, and that's a penchant for some to
> have the President nailed at the ICC simply for being Uhuru Kenyatta and for
> no other reason.
>>>
>>>
>>>This is not an unfounded fear or concern for the
> former OTP himself, Luis Moreno Ocampo is on record as having said he
> wanted these Kenyan cases to be an example of how the ICC can bite,
> having failed to do so in the last 10 years of existence save for one or two
> major cases.
>>>
>>>
>>>No one would want to be a guinea pig for a
> prosecutor bent on inflicting pain simply as an example for others. One
> can therefore understand why the President would go to all lengths to
> make sure that doesn't happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>In other words, ICC is no longer about finding
> justice for the victims as many wrongly assume and believe; rather the
> process is now about whether an ICC faced with prosecuting cases that
> don't belong there to begin with can do so and render a verdict that can be
> deemed all around fair and just, everything considered.
>>>
>>>
>>>It cannot and thus the reason it's preferable to
> terminate or refer the cases back home for a local solution where at
> least some justice can be achieved for the victims as opposed to none at all
> at the ICC.
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My beef with you has ALWAYS been about
FACTS and how you use or misuse them!
I've known Ambassador Amina Mohamed,
PERSONALLY, ever since she was a junior legal officer at the Kenya
Ministry of Foreign Affairs! In that period, i happened to have been
part of the same Kenya delegation, with Amb Amina Mohammed, to a
UN-related conference in Nice, France. During the same period, i also
worked fairly closely with the same Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Amb
James Simani) when i developed and defended a Kenyan Cabinet paper
before the "UN sub-Committee on Peaceful Uses of Outer Space"!
Now, i do not wish to categorically deny
it, tell me EXACTLY WHEN Amb Amina Mohammed "worked at the UN Security
Council as a legal advisor"???!!! Also, since you are so much on this
ICC commentary, do you believe, as George Kegoro alleged at The
Assembly of State Parties to The Rome Statute at The Hague, that "the
Kenya Constitution does not provide immunity for the President"???!!!
What is your take on Article 143 of The Kenya Constitution that he
relied on to support his argument???!!!
Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.
On 11/23/13, khaguli maurice <mkhaguli@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Courage,
> We said and the truth is truth!!!!! Uhuru is a "curse", Uhuru is purely "a
> fraud" Uhuru is a "dangerous" president evr witnessed in Kenyan History.
> Afadhali mkoloni/beberu and for PEV VICTIMS and entire country to feel at
> peace with Uhuru he "must" attend trials-simple! otherwise the country is
> bleeding slowly..........and no one can predict the outcome
> We stand to emphasize the truth, truth is one!
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 23, 2013 9:06 AM, Maurice Oduor
> <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wakili,
>>
>>I know you're tying your best to convince us of your point of view but that
>> point of view is not viable right now. The cases can not be deferred. That
>> would be inflicting further pain to the victims and their families.
>>
>>The only solution is for Uhuru to show that he's facilitating compensation
>> to the victims and national reconciliation in Kenya. He's doing none of
>> that. There's no talk of compensation and reconciliation is out the window
>> if one goes by the way we've seen Uhuru making government appointments.
>> He's tribalised government even more than he found it. His government is
>> not inclusive at all. that is not something that can endear him to the ICC
>> or the international community, leave alone to the remaining 40 tribes in
>> Kenya.
>>
>>
>>
>>A lot of taxpayers' money has been wasted to solve his problems, problems
>> he told us were personal.
>>
>>
>>1. Kalonzo and delegation went on the shuttle mission to all kinds of
>> countries to try and get deferral
>>
>>
>>2. Ruto and MPs traveling back and forth to the Hague on the Taxpayers'
>> dime
>>
>>
>>3. The recent Special Session of the AU in Addis
>>
>>
>>4. Amina Mohamed going to New York with a delegation
>>
>>
>>5. Githu Muigai and his delegation to Assembly of States at the Hague
>>
>>
>>All these are paid for by the poor Taxpayer just to protect 2 people
>> !!!!!! This is fraud against the Kenyan Taxpayer.
>>
>>
>>
>>Uhuru and Ruto better start talking compensation and also start
>> facilitating national reconciliation.
>>
>>
>>Courage
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Samuel Omwenga <somwenga@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>In my column this week Why Kenya Is Determined To Stop ICC Cases, I offer
>> my theory as to why the president and his team wants the case against him
>> deferred, referred or altogether terminated.
>>>Excerpt:
>>>Former President Mwai Kibaki flagged off the first
> shuttle diplomacy in early 2011 intended to have the Kenyan ICC cases
> deferred. These efforts were led by former Vice-President Kalonzo
> Musyoka, who failed to deliver as tasked.
>>>
>>>
>>>Round two got underway a few months ago, this time
> flagged off by President Uhuru Kenyatta and headed by Cabinet Secretary
> for Foreign Affairs Amina Mohamed, an accomplished career diplomat.
>>>
>>>
>>>With her background, and in particular having
> worked at the UN Security Council as legal advisor, it was expected that a
> different outcome would yield to this second effort to obtain a
> deferral.
>>>
>>>
>>>Unfortunately – or fortunately, depending on who's
> talking, Amina's efforts to secure a deferral, too, have failed albeit
> on a very interesting UNSC vote: seven members voted in the affirmative,
> while eight, including the US, abstained.
>>>…
>>>
>>>
>>>By abstaining, the US and other seven members of
> the Security Council who are also signatories of the Rome Statute, sent a
> clear message: We hear you Kenya; we sympathize with you but in
> balancing the needs of the post-election violence victims, we have to
> see you doing more before we can throw our weight behind your request,
> not necessarily for a deferral, but other ways to bring these cases to
> an end to everyone's satisfaction in the name of national peace and
> reconciliation.
>>>…
>>>
>>>
>>>Meanwhile, the UK is pushing for a compromise to
> have the ICC amend its rules and make it possible for the President to
> appear via video. While allowing this is a win for the President, it may not
> be enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>Put another way, even though this will be good for
> the President, it will not array the President's concerns that appear to be
> at the core of this dogged determination to terminate or refer the
> cases back home for a local solution, and that's a penchant for some to
> have the President nailed at the ICC simply for being Uhuru Kenyatta and for
> no other reason.
>>>
>>>
>>>This is not an unfounded fear or concern for the
> former OTP himself, Luis Moreno Ocampo is on record as having said he
> wanted these Kenyan cases to be an example of how the ICC can bite,
> having failed to do so in the last 10 years of existence save for one or two
> major cases.
>>>
>>>
>>>No one would want to be a guinea pig for a
> prosecutor bent on inflicting pain simply as an example for others. One
> can therefore understand why the President would go to all lengths to
> make sure that doesn't happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>In other words, ICC is no longer about finding
> justice for the victims as many wrongly assume and believe; rather the
> process is now about whether an ICC faced with prosecuting cases that
> don't belong there to begin with can do so and render a verdict that can be
> deemed all around fair and just, everything considered.
>>>
>>>
>>>It cannot and thus the reason it's preferable to
> terminate or refer the cases back home for a local solution where at
> least some justice can be achieved for the victims as opposed to none at all
> at the ICC.
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