Re: [wanabidii] Re: A Kenyan's Opinion on Homosexuality

Hi Cuthbert,

Ulanga has a right to be who he feels he is. He is not seeking your approval or validation. Being gay to you may be unnatural but it is not a crime if  all his partners are consenting adults.if even his wife undertstands him and accepts him for who he is. if they conduct their affairs in the privacy of their houses and not in public. If he had said he was into animals or little children that would be a crime! As for being polygamous, if all your wives are happy to share you go ahead. No one can sue you apart from your wives. 

And I always wonder why people spend their time and energy on this harmless group of people? If the same energy and passion went into protesting rapists, wife beaters  and child molestors oh and those who kill others because they worship a God who is different from theirs, our thieving corrupt politicians Africa would be a better place.  

So yes you are entitled to your opinion on how unnantural homosexuality is, how it is against your God's will, and you are free to express this opinion but you have no right to tell Ulanga who he is and who he is not. you know nothing about him. Let him be.. focus your energies on better causes!!

On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:36:42 AM UTC+3, Cuthbert Raphael wrote:

Dear Ulanga,

I am torn between trying to be sympathetic for the confusion you are in and trying to assert my convictions regarding this matter. The decision to declare that you are gay in a forum like this can be thought of commendable, even courageous- and who knows you are probably one of the innocent victims of this unnatural behaviour, and probably you deserve greater sympathy than you are likely to get here... 

Under the microscope, your 'admission' of your 'gay-hood' reveals some serious issues which most anti-gay 'activists' point out all the time. One, you know when you started being 'gay' (12 years). Brother, I can tell you my age, when I graduated from school, or how long I have been married, but I cannot tell you how long I have been 'non-gay' (heterosexual). One reason: this is not a decision people make: the consciousness of being a man (or a woman) goes back as long as a person can remember. The confusion of man-gay and man-non-gay never enters that equation. Until a person consciously make it part of the variables in that equation. As you did- 12 years ago.

Two, you say that you are married and with 3 kids. Apparently, and simplistically, you are capable of functioning as a normal man- apart from your attraction to other men. I have always being attracted by several women at once (I hope this is normal, huh?). Yet I am married to one woman, does that make me 'polygamous'? The point is this- what is it that makes you 'gay' if you are capable of being a man? (In other words- what is it that make a person 'polygamous' if he is capable of being married to one woman?) Anatomy, up-bringing, emotions or choices? Gene Robinson, the fellow that the Americans scandalously ordained to be an Anglican 'bishop' was married for over 20 years. With kids too. And he suddenly announced that he has been 'gay' all that long, left his wife, went to live with a man! How convenient. Wait for the time that I announce that I am 'polygamous' and pick a second wife! Or third and fourth...

If I am to take my reasoning to its logical conclusion (which may not be very nice)- you are not gay: you are either confused, deceived by culture and practice to give in to your unnatural tendencies, or simply sinful. Forget about what your body or heart tells you- you have a happy family (I presume), just make sure that your CHOICES do not jeopardise the family's welfare. Our time on earth is very short- live the alien sexual experiments to the ungodly.

Charles. 

On Jan 20, 3:59 pm, Ulanga Ally <ulang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wanabidii Am gay wacha niwaambieni ukweli tu mada iliyoongelewa hapo
> juu sio kwamba imenigusa kidogo ni sana I have been like this for the
> past  12 years , but am married with 3 kids , my wife knows this with
> some close friend of mine , I thank all those who have been supporting
> me through all aspects of life I have gone through till now , I hope
> even here people will keep on supporting me .
>
> On Jan 20, 1:47 pm, "Hilda Kiwasila" <hil...@ira.udsm.ac.tz> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sidhani kama wanaohalalisha homosexuality wamesoma makala katika magazeti,
> > internet, vitabu na wanajua hasa undani wa suala hili. Kulikuwa na malumbano
> > miezi ya nyuma May-August hivi ambayo tulijadiliana nami nilichangia
> > nkutawanya makala mali mbali katika mjadala huo na kuomba TGNP, TAMWA, LHRC,
> > WLAC, waliangalie suala hili kama NGOs kabla ya NGO mojawapo kulishabikia.
> > Baadhi ya makala nilizosambazia wenzangu ninaambatisha katika mijadala hiyo.
> > Nyingine ni mbaya sana mtanisamehe ila ni katika kuelimishana.
>
> > Watu wasidhanie ushoga ni ubwabwa na kujibadili maumbile ni shoo nzuri
> > inaweka mzigo katika taasisi za serikali na walipa kodi na jamii.
> > Ninaambatisha makala chache kuchangia mjadala zaidi. Ila ninaomba
> > ikiwezekana kuwe na kongamano kitaifa ktk nchi zetu kujadili suala hili la
> > haki za binadamu. Kama alivyosema Dada Ananilea Nkya-wanaodai haki hii
> > wajitokeze tuwaone wasidai mashichoni kama ni haki ya kweli.
>
> > Mkereketwa.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wana...@googlegroups.com [mailto:wana...@googlegroups.com] On
>
> > Behalf Of Choli Gogo
> > Sent: 20 January 2010 03:54
> > To: wana...@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Re: A Kenyan's Opinion on Homosexuality
>
> > Kazi ipo....dunia inabadilika sana na kuihalalisha dhambi.... Iko siku watu
> > kwenda ofisini uchi itakuwa kawaida?what about being gay?itaonekana kawaida
> > hata kwa mashehe?
>
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Samson Hayuma <samhay...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >   For this reason God gave them up to live passions.For even the woman
> > > exchanged their natural use for what is angainst nature.
> > > Likewise also the men leaving their natural and use of the woman,burned in
> > > their
> > > lust for one another,men with men committing what is shameful and
> > receiving
> > > in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
> > > And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge God gave
> > > them over to a debased mind to do those things which are not fitting at
> > all.
>
> > > Being filled with all unrighteousness sexual immorality wickedaness
> > > covetousness maliciousness full of envy, murder srrife deceit evil
> > > mindedness they are whisperers, geed malice.
>
> > > Hivyo Mungu aliwaacha wafuate tamaa zao za aibu hata wanawake
> > > wakabadilisha  matumizi ya alili kwa matumizi yasio ya asili kwa sababu ya
> > > tamaa tu.
> > > Wanaume nao hivyo hivyo waliyaacha matumizi ya mke ya asili na kufuata
> > > tamaa ya miyoyo bila kuogopa Mungu kibaya zaidi wanadanganya dunia eti
> > > hawakumbwa na jinsi sahihi ya kiume au ya kike!? Hiyo sio kweli kabisa
> > mimi
> > > napinga Mungu hakosei,bali binadamu anakosea kila kukicha achana na hizo
> > > habari za wanaojita homosexuality.
>
> > >KenyaMmeruhusu wasagaji kuoana ina maana mna mwamini hisia za binadamu
> > > kuliko ukweli wa Mungu!? Sasa nani mwongo kati ya mungu na binadamu?
>
> > > Lord bless EastArca
>
> > > --- On *Tue, 1/19/10, Pauline Mengi <paulineme...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> > > From: Pauline Mengi <paulineme...@gmail.com>
>
> > > Subject: [wanabidii] Re: A Kenyan's Opinion on Homosexuality
> > > To: "Wanabidii" <wana...@googlegroups.com>
> > > Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 8:59 AM
>
> > > Homosexuality is sexual attraction towards the same sex. Such
> > > attraction is not limited to physical sexual relationships alone but
> > > include our thoughts, emotions, motivations and even what happens in
> > > our dreams. Homosexuality is a distortion of the will of God and it is
> > > human beings via their free will that gave rise to this abberation.
> > > There are those who are born with a strong inclination or disposition
> > > to become homosexuals. Such individauls possees the strong inclination
> > > to homosexuality brought about by their genes. At the moment no group
> > > of genes are yet associated with homosexuality but I predict that
> > > genetic profiling of a large number of those whose stories suggest
> > > that they are born with the predisposition will reveal significant
> > > differences in their genes, its expression as well as the nature of
> > > their brains compared to genuinely heterosexual individuals. That they
> > > are born with the inclination does not mean that they are born
> > > homosexauls, rather they have a high probability of becoming one due
> > > to underlying genetic factors. Most people in this category often
> > > fight a loosing battle that drives them to despair because they
> > > clearly sense the aberration but are powerless to stop it. Counselling
> > > and therapies are often useless because the reason for the distortion
> > > which is reflected in their genes lies in activitities that happened
> > > before birth. At this point, you may regard what I will say as strange
> > > but I will still say

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