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--- On Wed, 11/28/12, Joseph Ludovick <josephludovick@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Joseph Ludovick <josephludovick@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus' Date of Birth
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 9:37 AM
Tuse, you think you are smart while actualy not.have you exausted that doctrine of perpertual virginity? the Immaculate conception is certainly a separate thing but not internally linked to the former.you appear to confuse and limit this virginity only on biological terms.you are very wrong from the start On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Tuse David <tusedavid@gmail.com> wrote: The fools of Time mixed up the Immaculate Conception (Mary born without inherent and inherited sin) and the virgin birth. The virgin birth is a sign predicted in the Old Testament (Isaiah?? A virgin will be with child.). It is axiomatic that virgins don´t have kids and dead people don´t come back to life. If either occurs something outside of nature has taken place. Mary was conceived in the normal mammalian way. The method of her conception was not evil, and her being spared a sinful nature was not tied to the method of her conception. As an aside, Christ not being born in sin like the rest of us is because He is the Second Person of the Trinity, not because His mother was a virgin. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Lutgard Kagaruki <lutgardk@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hivi Papa aliongea kwa Kiingereza? LKK
Jamani tuchunge mada hapa inahusu siyo lugha bali alichokisema pope Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on the Tigo Tanzania Network
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 01:15:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Pope Benedict Disputes Jesus' Date of Birth
Peter, mbona leo unaendekeza uongo, nani hasa anayetetea huu undumilakuwili wa lugha ya kufundishia? Ni matokeo ya mnachokitetea.
LKK, haya mambo ya papa na christ mass magumu hatuwezi kuyaelewa kwa lugha yetu maskini ya Kiswahili, tutumie tu lugha ya kitaalam (Kiingereza) na ya kiroho (Kilatini) - In Nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti!
Natamani watu wengine wangejiandikia tu Kiswahili!! LKK
Fratern you simply exporse to me of what you realy are.a realist as you say can not want people to just believe without intensive scrutiny of what they believe. you could actualy want more of the pope on the subject.but this realist is content to just believe.poor realist he should be. The church has been this way.to say you are just a christian rather than a roman catholic christian as you may see,deprives you many things,one being your tainted vision of wahat the church is.one one side you seem to know what the matter is,but at the other you deny what you seem to know.you may be in a bad situation than you think,not only on matters of faith,but on wholistic issues. Regards On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com> wrote: For me there's nothing new in what the pope has said and I'm not worried by anything. Even when Jesus explained what he came and stood for some of his followers left him. Let's tell people what they can understand and if they misunderstand, there will come a time when they be enlightened and come back. It's better we have enlightened church members than stupid saints!
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Kilasara Fratern <kilasara.fratern@gmail.com> wrote: I don't dispute the the early chapters in the Bible being what as you correctly put it "pre meval stories", but personally, I have no moral certitude to declare my stand as far as this is concern. After all, having grown with the Church circles, and since faith is personal and not democratic, not everything I know I should dispose it to the public and neither is my intention nor of any one else to make you accept and follow what I, he/she believes in.
You are entitled to believe in whatever you believe in and accept whatever you so feel is good for you. Unfortunately, as a Radical Realist Philosopher, I was raised to challenge not only the authority but even the faith in which I found myself. Luckily, the faith I cherish, Roman Catholic, survives after all the scrutiny of course with some wounds, and that today I am not just a Roman Catholic believer, but I am simply a Christian, in that Jesus Christ is the only authority I respect, nothing more or less! Does this sound rather confusing?
Just watch out, matters of faith are never straight in the mind except in the heart.
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