Tuesday 17 December 2013

[wanabidii] Re: [PK] Can a Christian lawyer represent a suspected murderer?

Pastor Absalom Birai & your ilk,
Enough of this display of
ignorance here!
"Murder" is a technical
term, NOT a factual one! The mere fact of "killing" is NEVER
necessarily "murder"! One is, therefore, NEVER a "murderer" until, and
unless, by a court of law adjudged so!
It is the LEGAL/TECHNICAL
process of determining whether, or not, one is a "murderer" that the
lawyer, AND THE COURT, participates in! At that stage, there is NO
"murderer", just "a suspect/an accused"!
Pastor Birai, why should
you moralize about some "Christian lawyers" defending some perceived
mischief makers???!!! Didn't the Son of God, Himself, say that He came
for "sinners"?! What was His take about abstinence on Sabbath?! When
He challenged those who wanted to stone Mary Magdalene, or whichever
woman that was, was that NOT a quest for justice?! What do you find to
be the matter with "silver nor gold, have i none, but such as i have,
give i thee..."?! Weren't some of His disciples not, THEMSELVES,
LAWYERS; yet did that stop Him from making them "FISHERS OF MEN"???!!!
Please, be with a sense of
proportion! You are approaching us from a position of DESPONDENT
IGNORANCE!!!
Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.

On 12/17/13, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pastor,
>
> You've just revealed a very interesting fact about yourself. Not knowing
> what Pro Bono means !!!!! That tells me that in all your years in the US,
> you've never been involved in any court process.
>
> If a lawyer provides his/her services pro Bono, that means he/she is
> providing the services free-of-charge and just donating it actually. Most
> lawyers in the in the US usually set aside let's say 5-10% of their time to
> provide their services Pro Bono to the poor and those who can not afford to
> pay legal services.
>
> Courage
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Pastor Absalom Birai
> <prbirai@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Tom
>>
>> Is that English? I just woke up and haven't had time to check my
>> dictionary. Why not make life easy for us by writing simple English?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Tom Oreje <tomoreje@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What if its probono?
>>> On Dec 17, 2013 8:20 AM, "Pastor Absalom Birai" <prbirai@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The difference is that no one paid Jesus to cover their lies. We are
>>>> not
>>>> talking about forgiveness here but someone paying another person to
>>>> cover
>>>> his sins. Now that is where the problem is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM, charles
>>>> <charlesmogeni@hotmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Pastor, how about the greatest attorney (Jesus) he will right
>>>>> (cleanse)
>>>>> our sins before the throne of our Father. So was Moses a fugitive
>>>>> murderer, King David who killed his general to feed his lust et al!
>>>>> We've
>>>>> seen genocides in our time and the perpetrators have walked free like
>>>>> Rwanda, Nazi Germany, Liberia-Siera Leone war etc. Let's think about
>>>>> the
>>>>> issue in broader perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles Mogeni
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:58:36 -0600
>>>>> Subject: Re: [PK] Can a Christian lawyer represent a suspected
>>>>> murderer?
>>>>> From: prbirai@gmail.com
>>>>> To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When it comes to Christianity and lawyers, there are so many
>>>>> unanswered
>>>>> questions. I doubt if we as human beings will have satisfactory
>>>>> answers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Joseph Lister Nyaringo <
>>>>> diplomat1499@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If I'm a lawyer with integrity, I will excuse excuse myself from such
>>>>> case. However, as a criminal law practitioner, you must be prepared
>>>>> to
>>>>> defend murderers. The lawyers who defended OJ knew very well that he
>>>>> killed
>>>>> his wife.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Migosi O'Migosi <bmigosi@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>> Quite thoughtful argument indeed.
>>>>> Let's hear what others have to say.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Migosi O'Migosi
>>>>>
>>>>> I facts don't fit the theory,
>>>>> Change the facts
>>>>> "Albert Einstein"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: Geoffrey Omollo
>>>>> Date:12/16/2013 8:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>>>> To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: RE: [PK] Can a Christian lawyer represent a suspected
>>>>> murderer?
>>>>>
>>>>> If confesses murder isn't automatic that the matter be brought to the
>>>>> attention of relevant authorities?
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course that does not prevent the lawyer from representing the
>>>>> murderer. I know situational ethics would have us believe that
>>>>> lawyer-client confidentiality clause comes in thus absolving the
>>>>> lawyer
>>>>> from having to report on the matter but proper Christian compels the
>>>>> lawyer
>>>>> to act. He/she might be called upon to give the murderer Christian
>>>>> counsel
>>>>> in the matter so as to make his confession voluntary even as he/she
>>>>> pursues
>>>>> mitigating defense points.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Major lifetime achievement: Being named Time Magazine's 'Person of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Year' in 2006*
>>>>>
>>>>> *...As indicated on my Resume.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:14:06 -0500
>>>>> Subject: [PK] Can a Christian lawyer represent a suspected murderer?
>>>>> From: bmigosi@aol.com
>>>>> To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Folks,
>>>>> If you are a borne again Christian attorney and your client confesses
>>>>> to you privately that they indeed are guilty of murder as charged but
>>>>> there
>>>>> lacks sufficient evidence to convict.
>>>>> Would you continue representing this client and would that constitute
>>>>> a
>>>>> sin on your part if you did?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Migosi O'Migosi
>>>>>
>>>>> I facts don't fit the theory,
>>>>> Change the facts
>>>>> "Albert Einstein"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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