[wanabidii] Fwd: [PK] Can a Christian lawyer represent a suspected murderer?

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From: Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:25:17 +0300
Subject: Re: [PK] Can a Christian lawyer represent a suspected murderer?
To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com

Pastor Absalom Birai,
You ask "Why"?! Because, at times, it is
simply painful to suffer fools gladly!!! Look here, you take it upon
yourself to talk, so matter of factly, about a subject you know
bugger-all about, then you feign shock that i've robustly put you in
your place???!!! C'mmon, be serious man!!!
Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.

On 12/17/13, Pastor Absalom Birai <prbirai@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nyamodi
>
> Let me ask you a question that I have always wanted to ask you and your
> learned friends. With the kind of exposure that you have had how come that
> you also resort to using a street language. Why do " learned people" call
> others names. Are we not entitled to personal opinions?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <
> okil@nyamogoadvocates.com> wrote:
>
>> Pastor Absalom Birai & your ilk,
>> Enough of this display of
>> ignorance here!
>> "Murder" is a technical
>> term, NOT a factual one! The mere fact of "killing" is NEVER
>> necessarily "murder"! One is, therefore, NEVER a "murderer" until, and
>> unless, by a court of law adjudged so!
>> It is the LEGAL/TECHNICAL
>> process of determining whether, or not, one is a "murderer" that the
>> lawyer, AND THE COURT, participates in! At that stage, there is NO
>> "murderer", just "a suspect/an accused"!
>> Pastor Birai, why should
>> you moralize about some "Christian lawyers" defending some perceived
>> mischief makers???!!! Didn't the Son of God, Himself, say that He came
>> for "sinners"?! What was His take about abstinence on Sabbath?! When
>> He challenged those who wanted to stone Mary Magdalene, or whichever
>> woman that was, was that NOT a quest for justice?! What do you find to
>> be the matter with "silver nor gold, have i none, but such as i have,
>> give i thee..."?! Weren't some of His disciples not, THEMSELVES,
>> LAWYERS; yet did that stop Him from making them "FISHERS OF MEN"???!!!
>> Please, be with a sense of
>> proportion! You are approaching us from a position of DESPONDENT
>> IGNORANCE!!!
>> Nyamodi
>> Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>>
>> On 12/17/13, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Pastor,
>> >
>> > You've just revealed a very interesting fact about yourself. Not
>> > knowing
>> > what Pro Bono means !!!!! That tells me that in all your years in the
>> US,
>> > you've never been involved in any court process.
>> >
>> > If a lawyer provides his/her services pro Bono, that means he/she is
>> > providing the services free-of-charge and just donating it actually.
>> > Most
>> > lawyers in the in the US usually set aside let's say 5-10% of their
>> > time
>> to
>> > provide their services Pro Bono to the poor and those who can not
>> > afford
>> to
>> > pay legal services.
>> >
>> > Courage
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Pastor Absalom Birai
>> > <prbirai@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> >> Tom
>> >>
>> >> Is that English? I just woke up and haven't had time to check my
>> >> dictionary. Why not make life easy for us by writing simple English?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM, Tom Oreje <tomoreje@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> What if its probono?
>> >>> On Dec 17, 2013 8:20 AM, "Pastor Absalom Birai" <prbirai@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> The difference is that no one paid Jesus to cover their lies. We are
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> talking about forgiveness here but someone paying another person to
>> >>>> cover
>> >>>> his sins. Now that is where the problem is.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:00 PM, charles
>> >>>> <charlesmogeni@hotmail.com>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Pastor, how about the greatest attorney (Jesus) he will right
>> >>>>> (cleanse)
>> >>>>> our sins before the throne of our Father. So was Moses a fugitive
>> >>>>> murderer, King David who killed his general to feed his lust et
>> >>>>> al!
>> >>>>> We've
>> >>>>> seen genocides in our time and the perpetrators have walked free
>> >>>>> like
>> >>>>> Rwanda, Nazi Germany, Liberia-Siera Leone war etc. Let's think
>> >>>>> about
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> issue in broader perspective.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Charles Mogeni
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ------------------------------
>> >>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:58:36 -0600
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [PK] Can a Christian lawyer represent a suspected
>> >>>>> murderer?
>> >>>>> From: prbirai@gmail.com
>> >>>>> To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> When it comes to Christianity and lawyers, there are so many
>> >>>>> unanswered
>> >>>>> questions. I doubt if we as human beings will have satisfactory
>> >>>>> answers.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Joseph Lister Nyaringo <
>> >>>>> diplomat1499@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If I'm a lawyer with integrity, I will excuse excuse myself from
>> >>>>> such
>> >>>>> case. However, as a criminal law practitioner, you must be
>> >>>>> prepared
>> >>>>> to
>> >>>>> defend murderers. The lawyers who defended OJ knew very well that
>> >>>>> he
>> >>>>> killed
>> >>>>> his wife.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 8:38 PM, Migosi O'Migosi <bmigosi@aol.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Jeff,
>> >>>>> Quite thoughtful argument indeed.
>> >>>>> Let's hear what others have to say.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Migosi O'Migosi
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I facts don't fit the theory,
>> >>>>> Change the facts
>> >>>>> "Albert Einstein"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -------- Original message --------
>> >>>>> From: Geoffrey Omollo
>> >>>>> Date:12/16/2013 8:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> >>>>> To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>> Subject: RE: [PK] Can a Christian lawyer represent a suspected
>> >>>>> murderer?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> If confesses murder isn't automatic that the matter be brought to
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> attention of relevant authorities?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Of course that does not prevent the lawyer from representing the
>> >>>>> murderer. I know situational ethics would have us believe that
>> >>>>> lawyer-client confidentiality clause comes in thus absolving the
>> >>>>> lawyer
>> >>>>> from having to report on the matter but proper Christian compels
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> lawyer
>> >>>>> to act. He/she might be called upon to give the murderer Christian
>> >>>>> counsel
>> >>>>> in the matter so as to make his confession voluntary even as he/she
>> >>>>> pursues
>> >>>>> mitigating defense points.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *Major lifetime achievement: Being named Time Magazine's 'Person of
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>> Year' in 2006*
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *...As indicated on my Resume.*
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ------------------------------
>> >>>>> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:14:06 -0500
>> >>>>> Subject: [PK] Can a Christian lawyer represent a suspected
>> >>>>> murderer?
>> >>>>> From: bmigosi@aol.com
>> >>>>> To: progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Folks,
>> >>>>> If you are a borne again Christian attorney and your client
>> >>>>> confesses
>> >>>>> to you privately that they indeed are guilty of murder as charged
>> >>>>> but
>> >>>>> there
>> >>>>> lacks sufficient evidence to convict.
>> >>>>> Would you continue representing this client and would that
>> >>>>> constitute
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>> sin on your part if you did?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Migosi O'Migosi
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I facts don't fit the theory,
>> >>>>> Change the facts
>> >>>>> "Albert Einstein"
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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