Monday 14 October 2013

[wanabidii] Re: [uchunguzionline] Re: [PK] Kenyan president Kenyatta’s war crimes trial set to be suspended

Jexx thura,

Permit me to try considering that a man worth his assets can try....

AU budget for 2013 is Kshs 23,330,000,000.

The AU member currently pays 44% of the budget and donors foot the remaining 56%. Of the 44%, 67% is funded by only 5 members states with Libya paying the bulk of it. As at the time Kenya was going for 2013 elections, only 16 out of 54 were fully paid up members, the rest were mere empty debes.

Allow me to further state that AU offices and conference centre (recently completed) was entirely funded by China at Kshs 16,832,000,000.

Thank you for granting me the opportunity!

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On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:31 PM, Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com> wrote:
Jexx,
        I think I know two things! One, a country called Kenya has her
sons and daughters dying in Somalia trying to keep both the "piece"
and the "peace"!!! Two, the current stand-off was created by ICC
itself, when it told us, loudly in broad day light, that there was
nothing to stop Uhuru Kenyatta running for office! Now let them deal
with Uhuru Kenyatta THE PRESIDENT OF THE SOVEREIGN REPUBLIC OF KENYA,
and a signatory to The Rome Statute, NOT just Uhuru Kenyatta the
"SUSPECT"!!!
                                                          Nyamodi
Ochieng-Nyamogo.

On 10/14/13, Jack Ndunya <jackndunya@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Okil Kuria and Co,
>
> Good morning to you all,
>
> I once asked in these forums who funds the operations of AU, I never got a
> feed back! Today, again i ask, WHO FUNDS THE OPERATIONS OF AU? No where in
> African countries budget would you find an allocation towards the AU or
> IGAD!
>
> 1.Where was OAU or AU during the Rwanda Massacre, Sierraleon, Code'vouer ,
> Sudan, Somalia, How about Somalia, how many AU Member Countries have sent
> their forces to help restore order? Where were they?
>
>
> 2. Why are African heads of states not able to deal with graft so that they
> stop depending on the west? its because the "all eat together"
> They are behaving like cats but only the ICC will terminate the many lives
> they got.
>
> That Dr Mtsanga keep pitching tent here in Kenya to drum up support for
> withdrawal is unacceptable, I believe he comes from Uganda and that country
> needs him better than we need him here. The road to Hague was paved by
> Kenyan  Parliament, a sovereign institution representing the people of
> Kenya, he must be ask to stop now from Meddling on Kenya's issues!
>
> His continued debate in Kenya's media houses is not good for peace and
> reconciliation we as a country needs as he continues to whip emotions which
> will bring ethnic tensions. His services i think are more useful in Uganda
> where Democracy is still no where from being achieved.
>
> The matter is before a competent court with jurisdiction and as such if the
> evidence is procured, or fake or whatever, the right place to tear into the
> evidence is in ICC and not through media houses.
>
> Jexx in the hood.
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 14, 2013 11:36 AM, Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo
> <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com> wrote:
>
> Wams,
>          I don't want MY PRESIDENT appearing before the ICC, even for
> a second!!! Omwenga & co can go there, if they are idle, AS USUAL!!!
>                                                    Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>
>
> On 10/14/13, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good night Khaguli
>> On Oct 13, 2013 11:53 PM, "khaguli maurice" <mkhaguli@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> KM,
>>> ICC is not a property of western diplomats. It is  an independent court
>>> of
>>> law with her president. Uhuru is not a victim but a criminal suspect on
>>> trial.what you are telling us is, Uhuru is immortal and no one can touch
>>> him- right?
>>> We stand to emphasize the truth, truth is one!
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> On Sun, 13 Oct, 2013 8:43 PM PDT Kuria-Mwangi wrote:
>>>
>>> >Khaguli
>>> >Please contact these western envoys and ask them that question. I know
>>> > it
>>> >goes against your wishes but please ask them that question.Do you
>>> > prefer
>>> >their phones or emails?
>>> >
>>> >Uhuru Kenyatta ICC case to be put off, Western diplomats say
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.nation.co.ke/news/politics/Uhuru-Kenyatta-ICC-case-to-be-put-off-Western-diplomats-say/-/1064/2031116/-/68jmoez/-/index.html
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:33 PM, khaguli maurice <mkhaguli@yahoo.com
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> KM,
>>> >> Did you say who cares? You are rooted deeply into hate against other
>>> >> communities. What is the point of putting the case on hold for year?
>>> Does
>>> >> it mean those who died, raped and lost everything are nobody? You are
>>> >> underestimating the majority suffering.
>>> >> We stand to emphasize the truth, truth is one!
>>> >> ------------------------------
>>> >> On Sun, 13 Oct, 2013 8:06 PM PDT Maurice J. Oduor wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Kuria,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Who are these majority of Kenyans who would agree with Wams? Those
>>> >> > who
>>> >> did not lose any family member or property in the PEV?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Courage
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >On 2013-10-13, at 8:17 PM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Wams
>>> >> > I think majority of Kenyans would agree with you. What is one year
>>> >> going to do? Let the case go on with akina Kay and Khan at helm and
>>> >> only
>>> >> ask the principals to attend when they must speak. Only a few want
>>> >> the
>>> case
>>> >> thrown out.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > What will bring problems will be if ICC demand that the principals
>>> stay
>>> >> in ICC until the cases are over. Now even if they want to go they
>>> >> will
>>> be
>>> >> told not to leave because they have a constitutional mandate which
>>> requires
>>> >> them to run the country.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > My opinion is that ICC has to be realistic if she wants to survive.
>>> Let
>>> >> the cases go on while the leaders run the country. Let the lady from
>>> Gambia
>>> >> and that mzungu prosecutor in Ruto case run their mouths will be
>>> >> counter
>>> >> productive. They may issue warrant of arrests but that means that
>>> >> other
>>> >> African countries will have good excuses to leave and let akina
>>> >> Khaguli
>>> be
>>> >> signatories to the statutes.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Contrary to what some expect, this thing will be worked out to
>>> >> everybody's satisfactions. Akina Makau will not be happy but who
>>> >> cares?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:54 PM, margaret gichuki
>>> >> > <wams2006@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Askofu,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Why for a yr.Let the trial go on without the Prezzo and his DP
>>> >> attending.That's why he has lawyers.He can appear at the beginning
>>> >> for
>>> >> a
>>> >> day or so and AT the end of the trial.These ICCAfrican guys have alot
>>> >> of
>>> >> work to do.They need their paymasters than ever before to try
>>> >> Africans
>>> and
>>> >> should the AU pull out, I'm afraid the shop might close.Did you watch
>>> NTV
>>> >> today? Makua Mutua and Dr Matsanga were going after each other's
>>> >> throats.Seems to me like this Matsanga guy has done his homework.And
>>> >> who
>>> >> was the ngo lady Stella.? NGO yake ni gani? LOL!!!!!
>>> >> > And incase you missed the last witness on Friday, Here it is.In
>>> >> Githumu, we called it Drama.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Wams
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tczTF6Ah6I
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Maoni wananchi watukufu
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/kenya/10376302/Kenyan-president-Kenyattas-war-crimes-trial-set-to-be-suspended.html
>>> >> > Kenyan president Kenyatta's war crimes trial set to be suspended
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > The war crimes trial of Kenya's President Uhuru Kenyatta could be
>>> >> suspended for at least a year under a diplomatic deal to be put to
>>> >> the
>>> >> United Nations.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Photo: AP
>>> >> > By Damien McElroy, Mike Pflanz in Nairobi
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 7:25PM BST 13 Oct 2013
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Western diplomats are preparing a UN Security Council resolution
>>> >> > that
>>> >> would put the International Criminal Court (ICC) case on hold after
>>> >> the
>>> >> African Union lodged objections to the trial.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Sources said the resolution was to avoid a damaging stand-off
>>> >> > between
>>> >> the court and African states over charges faced by Mr Kenyatta of
>>> >> orchestrating post-election violence that killed more than 1,000
>>> >> people
>>> in
>>> >> 2007-08.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mr Kenyatta has said he is reluctant to attend the opening of his
>>> trial
>>> >> in The Hague on Nov 12 after judges agreed to alternate his
>>> >> appearances
>>> >> with the hearing for William Rutto, the vice-president, who is also
>>> charged.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > However, an extraordinary summit of the African Union on Saturday
>>> >> issued an ultimatum to the court to stop the case, warning judges
>>> >> that
>>> Mr
>>> >> Kenyatta must not be compelled to face trial.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mr Kenyatta, who was elected in March, welcomed the decision and
>>> >> criticised the court. "It stopped being the home of justice the day
>>> >> it
>>> >> became the toy of declining imperial powers," he said. "Africa is not
>>> >> a
>>> >> third-rate territory of second-class peoples. We are not a project,
>>> >> or
>>> >> experiment of outsiders." Diplomats fear the trial could create a
>>> impasse
>>> >> in which the Kenyan leader either pulls out of the process at the
>>> >> last
>>> >> minute or African states start withdrawing from its jurisdiction.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Related Articles
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Kenyan presidential candidate faces trial for crimes against
>>> >> > humanity
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 09 Feb 2013
>>> >> > Kenya suspends wildlife officials over poaching
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 06 Feb 2013
>>> >> > Kenya to vote amid warnings against rigging in knife-edge elections
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 03 Mar 2013
>>> >> > Uhuru Kenyatta gets green light to run for president
>>> >> >
>>> >> > 15 Feb 2013
>>> >> > "Uhuru is not an indicted figure who is defying the court like
>>> >> > Sudan's
>>> >> president (Omar) Bashir. He is someone who is working closely with
>>> >> the
>>> West
>>> >> in a region in chaos that needs to tackle a very worrying terrorist
>>> >> situation," a senior European diplomat said. "A solution must be
>>> >> found
>>> that
>>> >> avoids a breakdown in relations with Kenyatta or the court's
>>> >> authority."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Mr Kenyatta's trial comes just weeks after Kenya faced its biggest
>>> >> security crisis in recent memory as al-Shabaab terrorists took over
>>> >> Nairobi's Westgate shopping mall. Sixty-seven people were killed in a
>>> >> bloody seige as Mr Kenyatta personally oversaw the security operation
>>> >> against the hostage-takers.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The Telegraph understands that European officials have sought to
>>> >> > adopt
>>> >> measures to ensure Mr Kenyatta is not forced to leave the country in
>>> >> the
>>> >> wake of the Westgate incident.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > All of the active cases before the ICC are against Africans,
>>> >> > prompting
>>> >> claims by polticians that the tribunal is unfairly targeting the
>>> continent.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > An official in Mr Kenyatta's administration confirmed the shift in
>>> >> > his
>>> >> approach to the charges and suggested it was possible he would stop
>>> >> cooperating. "We have been talking about the double standards of the
>>> court
>>> >> for some time," the official said. "What the president told the AU
>>> >> was
>>> >> simply an extension of that."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Unless the ICC prosecutor or the court asks its member countries to
>>> >> endorse a postponement, the only authority that can intervene is the
>>> >> UN
>>> >> Security Council. As the US is not a member of the court, it has
>>> >> fallen
>>> to
>>> >> British and French officials to push forward a resolution, which
>>> >> could
>>> be
>>> >> adopted by the end of the month.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > A spokesman for the ICC said it had no scope to object if the
>>> >> > Security
>>> >> Council invoked international security issues to suspend the case.
>>> >> "The
>>> >> Security Council can adopt a resolution to impose a suspension based
>>> >> on
>>> the
>>> >> protection of peace and security in world," said Fadi al-Abullah, the
>>> ICC
>>> >> spokesman. "In that case it would be out of the hands of the
>>> >> prosecutor
>>> as
>>> >> the ICC has no role to advise the security council in these matters."
>>> >> >
>>> >> > A spokesman for the Foreign Office said Britain had not changed its
>>> >> position that Mr Kenyatta and the other defendents should cooperate
>>> >> with
>>> >> the ICC.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Bill Cash, the Conservative MP and chairman of the All-Party Kenya
>>> >> Group, called on the Government to support a suspension of the trial
>>> >> in
>>> a
>>> >> House of Commons debate last week.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > "The events in Kenya were horrific but the president was
>>> democratically
>>> >> elected by a significant majority in full knowledge of the case. That
>>> must
>>> >> give rise to questions over the continuation of the original
>>> application to
>>> >> the ICC," he said.
>>> >> >
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