I agree with you JaGem. You and Nyandoto and all others who are not cut can be in peace. Being cut does not matter when it cpmes to AIDS transmission.
--Mistoduya,This false information that Circumcision reduces aids will solve nothing. If that was the case then these other Kenyan tribes who circumcise would not be dying of HIV. I have lost so many friends from former Central Province who were circumcised, but today they are bones in their graves. Equally the same I have lost so many friends from the Western Kenya; Kakamega, Budalangi and Webuye. These friends walikuwa wamechongwa in the cleanest way possible, but today they are bones in their Graves. And let me not mention my late buddies from Coast.Until such a time that the public and particularly Jaluos will be educated that the fast and quickest way to contract HIV is through having unprotected sex with an infected party, then our people will continue to die till Kingdom come.Solution.1. GO GET TESTED.2. IF TEST IS NEGATIVE, STAY FAITHFUL TO YOUR SPOUSE OR PARTNER.3. IF TEST IS POSITIVE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE," Asawu" TAKE MEDICINE. DO NOT KILL ANOTHER PERSON AND PARTICULARLY ANOTHER JALUO BY SEXING THEM AND CLAIMING THAT HATA MIMI NILIPEWA NA MWENGINE" People with such mentalities are worst than PEV perpetrators, because they are "Silent Killers."4 Kenya needs serious civic education to learn her people as to how HIV is transmitted. 99% of the time it is through having unprotected sex with an infected party. Kwani hii ni ngumu aje kuelewa? If circumcision helps then South Africa, Lesotho and Swaziland would be having the lowest cases of HIV Infections. They seriously circumcise and yet they have the biggest prevalence of cases in the world. Au siyoo?JagemLiving among the Mighty requires Wisdom.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: Siaya County seeks forced male 'cut' law
--Oduya,We all must agree to the fact that, you not only gave up on the argument, but that you are in favor and support of Cultural Heritage respect, dignity, honor and value; and that when the truth shines on the horizon, all people of the world get convinced that, having given an intensive critical outlook and debate on matters of our values and concern with dangers that loom and face our excellent refined heritage dignity; we are not going to compromise but we are bound to unite and fight fiercely confronting and challenging this ugly monster, who is after destroying and exterminating our identity from the face of this beautiful earth guided by their convulsive selfish greed.Likewise, since all people are equal before the law and Luos are no exception to enjoy an obligated right to live a dignified honorable fuller and richer progressive life in the confinement of our rich heritage; in diversity, we extend an offer to share with the world referencing our ancestral historical intelligence of uniqueness that molded a community discipline and way of life. In our love, we are welcoming, social and friendly to all irrespectively. It is here we must be proud to enjoy benefits of our completeness without being ashamed or allowing external forces to interfere, intimidate or oppress the identity of who we are. It shall be the beginning when the world understands that, on matters that pertain South of Human Industrial area, we are perfectionists…...we lead and others follow......and that must not be construed to a weakness but strength.Cheers !!!!!!!!Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
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Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:52 AM
Subject: [wanabidii] Re: Siaya County seeks forced male 'cut' law
Hehehe
Judy nyar Dana, I give up.
May be we're being 'finished'.
Regards,Judy Miriga <jbatec@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 3:18 PM
Subject: Siaya County seeks forced male 'cut' law
Oduya,Besides the point Oduya. The method I chose to use is of technological age, proven and tested, where information travel and spread fast like lightning and I do not need to go to the marketplace in the village side to inform. In minutes and seconds, this message will have travelled to more than hundreds of villages of the world and my voice on behalf of the victims, shall have been heard by all and sundry.Mine is not a campaign but a reality to protest against something which started as a campaign to influence foreign ideology of no substance, to challenge Cultural values of importance, that are naturally a deeply well thought-out theory from the brains of our ancestors which over the years proved a historic excellence of a rich and best intelligence competence resolve of an intelligent community surpassing those renown intellectuals of the world.Remember that, the promoters announced that it was not FORCED. Today, it has gone a notch higher than a FREE-WILL. ........... it is contemplated to be enforced into Law against the majority wishes. If 99% of the White Community who were predominantly of the "CUT", presently stopped the cut and are whole, what does it tell you???........Especially and more specifically taking into consideration that HIV Aids also begun in the European Nations.Medically, it has been proved that, HIV Aids is not spread by those who are uncut. Why then is it being made a factor. Are we some sort of some slaves who are forced to do things against their wishes???Check the end paragraph statement of this story where it states that, a recent report titled Kenya Aids Indicator Survey 2012 released by Health Cabinet Secretary James Macharia, HIV prevalence in Nyanza rose by 0.2 per cent over the past five years. This was after the enforcer of the CUT. What does this explain?? This means that, Luos have been targeted for extermination for extinct because their Land was already sold and they must pave ways by all means for the Land Grabbers. Can't you see this matter plainly..........That our community are being finished???I am sharing a concern, and I am wondering why, we have to change course to go against the best brains of our ancestors to accommodate that which has not been tested or proven to produce credible and reliable result which otherwise, the brains of the world failed to give credit to the Luos for this well thought-out idea...........but instead, quietly and sneakily, they reverted to "UNCUT".........what do you think is special about the "Uncut" and why do you think Luos are an-exception???What unique expertise of excellence as a show-case therefore, does the promoters of the "Cut" on Luos bring on board or profess to have to warrant maaaassss cut on Luos; and which is why, we shall fight it out for evidential proof in the same court of law and demand a DNA clinical forensic evidence to obtain scientific method these authors used to demand such an enforcement. Otherwise, they should go tell this to their mothers, and it is because, the machine they are going for is not their fathers and they have no right to subject people on their failed theories of no value..............Get this, Migingo was taken away illegally and unconstitutionally on the same conspiracy theory, but before long, Migingo shall be free and back in the shores of Luo Nyanza. The same way, proponents of the "Cut" must prepare for a good fight and their madness shall disappear like a wild fire in the forest and Luos with their intelligential cultural values shall remain in the books of history to the end of the world.Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
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Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 1:20 AM
Subject: [wanabidii] Re: Siaya County seeks forced male 'cut' law
Dear Judy,
You seem very concerned about this whole idea of chopping off of men's most precious possession. You have been on this campaign for more than 2 years now and you seem to be having an idea of how the chopped and un-chopped tastes considering that out ,of experience, you refer to some as sweet while others as 'not-so-sweet'. However, I highly doubt if your campaign is making any significant impact owing to the choice of media. You are preaching to people in the fora who are knowledgeable, with exception of a few, and most likely have made up their mind - converted and anymore preaching might to yield results.
Don't you think a change of tact might prove beneficial to the target group? I see people these days just resort to picking Auja around their necks and walk into markets during market days and preach the gospel, whatever gospel one has. I guess this might prove a very cost effective way of doing this with maximum results, what do you think?
In fact, if you are lucky you could even have live demos especially in Siaya town and then testimonies would follow on which ones are sweet and which ones are 'not-so-sweet' after the demos, ama?
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Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 3:35 AM
Subject: Siaya County seeks forced male 'cut' law
Good People,In all fairness and for true justice, there is no law in the world that demand force on anyone to have a cut forcing them to reduce sweetness that sharpens the brain. This forced thing is crime, violation and abuse of human rights……….which Luo-men have rights to refuse even if it has to be ordered through the court. Any law that forcefully take away peoples cultural way of life by force is no law……and it must be condemned profusely………..This one which now demands force, shows how desperate these politicians are after the cut of the luo-men machine, which will be something foreign against Luo culture way of life. If these politicians are this desperate, it means money had exchanged hands and they are now forcing Luo men to have the cut that have no connection or relations with the HIV Aids.......On behalf of all those Luo-men in Siaya Kababa, let it be known to all that, if these enforcers want a fight, we are prepared for that fight. If any man come to the villages to force the cut, people have rights to use common law to stand their grounds to protect their interest by all means. The punishment for all men who will send people to facilitate the cut, let them suffer a greater loss of losing both the engine with the balls inclusively to serve a warning not to interfere with Luo-men engine..........We are ready to fight and let it be known that, we shall fight even the goliath of this conspiracy to the bitter end………Leave Luos alone to enjoy their lives in the fullest.........it is their right and their way of life, who are you to come with foreign theories to force them in the "Cut"..............Chairman Mathew Onduru with whoever is behind this idea can go to hell, why cant they get satisfied by cutting those of their own and of their family and leave Luos alone..................because we are not ready to compromise our way by any amount of force..............Shame on them and I am ashamed that they belong to my community of the great Luo with potential wonderful rich culture !!!Mkosa Mila ni Mtumwa.........................Let us resist this conspiracy in totality and unit to fight like never before to protect our Luo men from this forced CUT...................Hii ni madharau.................Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.comSiaya County seeks forced male 'cut' lawUpdated Tuesday, October 1st 2013 at 23:57 GMT +3By LAWRENCE ALURUSiaya County: Plans are underway by Siaya County Committee on Health to make male circumcision mandatory.The committee is set to table a Bill before the County Assembly in order to make the rite a law. If the Bill sails through, it would see men who have not undergone the cut, compelled to do so.The committee's Chairman Mathew Onduru yesterday said the Bill will not only look at the youth and the old in the society but seeks to include the newly born children."The proposed Bill requires that every born male child should be circumcised. It will also be helpful to the whole community since it will seek to accommodate the newly born male babies," he said.Onduru said if passed, the Bill will help in reduction of HIV infection rate by six per cent, adding that most men in Nyanza were exposed to the virus because they are not circumcised.This comes more than five years after the former Prime Minister Raila Odinga launched the campaign to have Luo men circumcised to help contain the spread of HIV. The move saw several men throng health facilities for the cut.It was during the same period that his brother Dr Oburu Odinga who was an assistant minister then, agreed to undergo the cut, a move that was seen as a boost to the campaign.Also in the Bill is the inclusion of extension services by the Community Health Workers (CHW's) to help in empowering the community on the circumcision issues.Last week, Siaya County Health Director Dr Jackson Kioko urged residents to shun outdated cultural practices in a bid to control HIV infection rate in the area.Kioko said outdated cultural practices such as wife inheritance and failure to go for the male cut are some factors frustrating the fight against the virus in Luo Nyanza.There have been many deaths in the region as a result of opportunistic infections in those infected with the virus but residents have always associated them with Luo culture, saying it is a curse.At the moment, Nyanza region has embraced the cut and out of 450,000 targeted males about 426,000 men have undergone the cut, with 130,000 coming from Siaya County.
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