Wednesday 2 October 2013

Re: [wanabidii] Re: * Prayers will NEVER Solve Kenya's Problems!

Telesphor, huko nyuma umewahi kuongelea .."intellectual Mustarbation"
huyu Kamala na Atheist haiwafai hiyo? hebu kama inafaa iweke vizuri in
your wordings.

On 10/2/13, Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Atheist is experiencing what in spirituality is called "a moment of
> desolation, wilderness, dryness, absence of God". If it were in the
> workplace, it's called "career menopause"!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Kamala J Lutatinisibwa
> <jlkamala@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> meditation + contemplation = peace of mind and spiritual growth
>>
>> On 02/10/2013, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Magobe,
>> >
>> > I''m a very staunch Catholic ans prayer is something very private to
>> > me.,
>> > Kuswali kwangu mie ni tendo la kibinafsi sana. Nikiswali najazwa ni
>> subira,
>> > hekima na uvumilivu.
>> >
>> > Courage
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> What prayer is all about? It's about asking something positive, which
>> you
>> >> want to achieve and you are already making an effort to achieve it.
>> >> So,
>> >> prayer is about the process of achieving what you what to happen to
>> >> you.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Maurice Oduor
>> >> <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Atheist,
>> >>>
>> >>> People who pray generally tend to be more optimistic and happier than
>> >>> those who don't. Try it for a while and you'll find out.
>> >>>
>> >>> Courage
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:57 AM, The Atheist <hmumia@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Folks,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What is all this prayer nonsense going on in Kenya? Pastors and
>> >>>> religious leaders are purporting to be praying for the country. To
>> some
>> >>>> god!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> While the main purpose of these prayers may be to help Kenya, they
>> >>>> never
>> >>>> demonstrably help. Prayers benefit only those believers who say or
>> hear
>> >>>> them. Prayer gives them comfort. It lets them think they have some
>> >>>> control
>> >>>> over a situation that may be out of their hands. It's the last
>> >>>> resort
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> people who have run out of ideas, and the first resort of people who
>> >>>> never
>> >>>> bothered to think about how they could actually fix the problem at
>> >>>> hand.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This is not harmless. There's a very real downside to praying. It
>> lulls
>> >>>> believers into a false sense of accomplishment. We cannot solve our
>> >>>> problems – much less the world's – through prayer. We often see
>> >>>> people
>> >>>> with
>> >>>> good intentions praying for victims in the wake of a tragedy, but
>> prayer
>> >>>> is
>> >>>> useless without action, and those actions make the prayers
>> >>>> irrelevant.
>> >>>> To
>> >>>> paraphrase the great Robert Green Ingersoll, hands that help are far
>> >>>> better
>> >>>> than lips that pray.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When it comes down to it, prayer is illogical, even in religious
>> terms.
>> >>>> If God has a plan, why try to thwart it? If God can be swayed by
>> >>>> prayers, what kind of God would allow the horrors we saw at
>> >>>> Westgate?
>> I
>> >>>> have no problem with "prayer" as an act of meditation. In fact, many
>> >>>> atheists can tell you the benefit of silent self-reflection. The
>> >>>> delusion
>> >>>> occurs when you think someone else is hearing your thoughts and
>> >>>> acting
>> >>>> on
>> >>>> them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Prayer is nothing but a powerful placebo. We'd all be better off
>> >>>> accepting that.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
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>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> *
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