Wednesday 2 October 2013

Re: [wanabidii] Re: * Prayers will NEVER Solve Kenya's Problems!

The Atheist is experiencing what in spirituality is called "a moment of desolation, wilderness, dryness, absence of God". If it were in the workplace, it's called "career menopause"!


On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Kamala J Lutatinisibwa <jlkamala@gmail.com> wrote:
meditation + contemplation = peace of mind and spiritual growth

On 02/10/2013, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
> Magobe,
>
> I''m a very staunch Catholic ans prayer is something very private to me.,
> Kuswali kwangu mie ni tendo la kibinafsi sana. Nikiswali najazwa ni subira,
> hekima na uvumilivu.
>
> Courage
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:07 AM, Telesphor Magobe <tmagobe@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What prayer is all about? It's about asking something positive, which you
>> want to achieve and you are already making an effort to achieve it. So,
>> prayer is about the process of achieving what you what to happen to you.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Maurice Oduor
>> <mauricejoduor@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Atheist,
>>>
>>> People who pray generally tend to be more optimistic and happier than
>>> those who don't. Try it for a while and you'll find out.
>>>
>>> Courage
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 7:57 AM, The Atheist <hmumia@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Folks,
>>>>
>>>> What is all this prayer nonsense going on in Kenya? Pastors and
>>>> religious leaders are purporting to be praying for the country. To some
>>>> god!
>>>>
>>>> While the main purpose of these prayers may be to help Kenya, they
>>>> never
>>>> demonstrably help. Prayers benefit only those believers who say or hear
>>>> them. Prayer gives them comfort. It lets them think they have some
>>>> control
>>>> over a situation that may be out of their hands. It's the last resort
>>>> of
>>>> people who have run out of ideas, and the first resort of people who
>>>> never
>>>> bothered to think about how they could actually fix the problem at
>>>> hand.
>>>>
>>>> This is not harmless. There's a very real downside to praying. It lulls
>>>> believers into a false sense of accomplishment. We cannot solve our
>>>> problems – much less the world's – through prayer. We often see people
>>>> with
>>>> good intentions praying for victims in the wake of a tragedy, but prayer
>>>> is
>>>> useless without action, and those actions make the prayers irrelevant.
>>>> To
>>>> paraphrase the great Robert Green Ingersoll, hands that help are far
>>>> better
>>>> than lips that pray.
>>>>
>>>> When it comes down to it, prayer is illogical, even in religious terms.
>>>> If God has a plan, why try to thwart it? If God can be swayed by
>>>> prayers, what kind of God would allow the horrors we saw at Westgate? I
>>>> have no problem with "prayer" as an act of meditation. In fact, many
>>>> atheists can tell you the benefit of silent self-reflection. The
>>>> delusion
>>>> occurs when you think someone else is hearing your thoughts and acting
>>>> on
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Prayer is nothing but a powerful placebo. We'd all be better off
>>>> accepting that.
>>>>
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