Wednesday 12 June 2013

Re: [wanabidii] Kagame: 'speaking casually and calling on us to negotiate with the killers of our people is utter nonsense'

Why General Kagame and RPF are afraid of talks and negotiations? It is because the outcomes would call to hold RPF and Kagame of genocide crimes they perpetrated Through talks and negotiations, the truth emerges. When the truth arises, justice is implemented. After justice, it is the turn of genuine reconciliation, hence democracy and unity. As Kagame and RPF are genocide criminals, they are attempting whatever possible to evade any process leading to justice. Kagame and RPF are the obstacle to durable sustainable solution to the 
fundamental problem. The fundamental problem of Rwanda is a discriminatory dictatorship of 
RPF and General Kagame who are holding Rwandans as their hostages by 
suffocating democracy. Ultimately, Kagame and RPF are scared of 
Democracy and genuine Unity because they are criminals who would be held
accountable of genocide crimes they perpetrated since 1990 and FDLR are among victims. As Interahamwes are scared of facing relatives of people they hacked necks with machetes, Kagame and Inkotanyi are haunted by the idea of facing relatives of people whose skulls were crushed by their hoes.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:50 AM, mngonge <mngonge@gmail.com> wrote:
For sure the advise is rational if there are no other things behind the curtains. While speaking to the community of University of Dar es salaam and public at large way back in 2004 at Nkruma hall, Kagame made it clear that peace is a result of good governance and democratic practices. He further pointed out that you (Tanzanians) think that the country is peaceful while there is no good governance and that democratic practices are not existing at its level in the country.

He (Kagame) added that where they were in Rwanda it will take Tanzanians about 50 years to realise such development in peace keeping. These words were spoken when he was in our land , how do you get scared when he make other strong statement when he is away from our land? From the above remarks you can see how Kagame is gauging Tanzanians leaders in terms of leadership strength and tacts and therefore the chances of positively taking advise from our leaders are narrow. Its true the man is somehow a dictator but he is able to make things happen in a way he plans. Let him take steps he thinks appropriate for peace keeping in Rwanda.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Garlus Nyenza <gifnyenza@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not a fan of commenting on statements made by politicians! The reason is you cannot be sure what they will be saying next. But on this strongly-worded President Kagame statement I wish to just say it is somehow over the board. What President Kikwete advised was a sober opinion based on practical realities on the ground; that war and fighting is not yielding positive results. He intoned that following the route of talking to FDLR could possibly bring about lasting peace in Rwanda. If President Kagame does not want to heed to that advise he should only say so without resorting to name-calling and labeling others as 'ignorant'. I, for one, have my doubts about  the motive behind his choice of such dis-respectful words. 


On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:54 PM, Zephaniah Mugittu <zephymugittu@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
It was just an advice one can decide to take it or leave it. He (President Kagame) has made his ultimate/vital and legal choice of not taking it. I do not see or even sensing the importance of making it the headline in the media... Let us keep on looking and implementing the processes and activities which will take our countries our people out of poverty... Africa twatakiwa kuuchoka na kuuchukia umasikini tusiyumbishane... mwenzio akikukosea we shika jembe ukalime... Kagame akiona amekosewa kushauriwa hivyo aendelee na harakati zake za kuikomboa nchi na watu wake ktk umasikini kama ambavyo ameweza kudhihirisha uwezo huo kwa miaka yake michache aliyokaa madatrakani ANAWEZA HAKUNA ASIYEJUA HILO... Porojo waachie wenzake/majirani zake sio kuanza kutafuta mbinu za kukorofishana zaidi... kimya pia ni jibu...
 
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From: Emmanuel Muganda <emuganda@gmail.com>
To: wanabidii@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 10 June 2013, 19:36
Subject: Re: [wanabidii] Kagame: 'speaking casually and calling on us to negotiate with the killers of our people is utter nonsense'

I say amen to that!
em

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Africa j bwamkuu <jbwamkuu@gmail.com> wrote:
President Paul Kagame has blasted his Tanzanian counterpart Jakaya Kikwete's views that Rwanda should hold talks with FDLR, a DRC-based militia responsible for the 1994 genocide, Chimp Corps report.
Kagame said "speaking casually and calling on us to negotiate with the killers of our people is utter nonsense."
Speaking at the graduation ceremony of 45 army officers at the Rwanda Defence Forces Staff and Command College on Monday, the President described Kikwete's idea as dancing on the "mass graves of our people."
Kikwete's eyebrow-raising comments about Rwanda holding talks with FDLR during the recently-concluded African union Summit in Ethiopia not only ruffled feathers in Kigali but also triggered a wave of anger across Rwanda.

According to a press statement from Tanzania President's office, Kikwete said, "ADF is attacking Uganda and FDRL is doing the same to Rwanda so efforts should be made to end such attacks."
"Talks should be held between governments and rebels hiding in the DRC where they launch attacks against their countries of origin. Military operations against the rebels will not yield fruit," added Kikwete.
Rwanda's Foreign Affairs Minister swiftly made a counterattack, describing Kikwete's statements as "aberrant" and "shocking."
"Those who think that Rwanda today should sit down at the negotiating table with FDLR simply don't know what they are talking about," charged Mushikiwabo in an interview with Radio France Internationale (RFI) last week.
Genocide survivors, whose parents and relatives were slaughtered by the Hutu militia group in the 1994 genocide, accused Kikwete of being revisionist and a supporter of "a wider plan to exterminate us once and for all."
"In making his negationist statement, President Kikwete has not only dishonored Nyerere's Vision but also dehumanized the Tanzanian peoples as unconditional accomplices to his genocide denial and revisionist comments," the survivors said in a joint petition to United Nations, US and several international bodies.
KAGAME SPITS FIRE
This is the first time Kagame is pouring out his heart on Kikwete's suggestions.
Though he did not mention Kikwete, Kagame maintained proposals that Rwanda should hold talks with FDLR are premised on "ignorance" and "ideological problems."
"I kept quiet for the contempt I have for it (FDLR talks) because I thought it was utter nonsense spoken out of ignorance. We must be left to live our lives the way Rwandans want to live them," charged Kagame.
He further said "RPF did not seek revenge when it had every reason to be tempted...I don't think anybody should be having issues with us." Kagame was referring to the post-genocide era after RPF had defeated and overthrown the regime of Juvenal Habyarimana.
The President's statement marks a further deterioration of relations between the two countries as fears hit boiling levels that Tanzania government officials have been in talks with FDLR militants.
Meanwhile, Kagame urged the graduands to "operate with the spirit of defiance," insisting "we have the strength that speaks on the will of our people."
"Those who tamper with us should be made to understand that who we are and what we stand for is real Rwanda…we are too subservient, as if we also believe we are second rate human beings that must be driven by others," he added.
Kagame did not spare the United Nations, accusing the Group of Experts that compiles regular reports on regional conflicts, particularly DRC. The UN investigators in 2012 accused Rwanda of backing the M23 rebellion, a charge Kigali vehemently denies. 
Kagame said, UN investigators "are called UN Group of experts because they come from our colonial masters," adding, "The same people who wrote Rwanda's story in 2012 are the same people waiting to do the same this year."
"We can't have people running around saying all sorts of things… some still believe we must be held on a leash by colonial masters," he added.
The President told graduands that "this course and you who attended it should help this nation to continue on the journey of defining itself," adding, "you now have the leadership credentials to understand this nation's larger vision of transforming our people."
He said home-grown solutions are not only efficient, but also more operational and sustainable.
Kagame emphasized RDF is "not a myth...it's real and does not depend on sweeteners."
He observed that Rwanda's constitution is the ultimate law of the land: "The will of our people is the will of our people and cannot be dictated."

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