Tuesday 7 May 2013

[wanabidii] Re: [NewVisionKenya] Re: ICC ignores CJ's 'poison letter'

Omtatah,
Agents are allowed as a standard in an electoral process. The electoral body however, does not force parties to appoint agents and therefore IEBC cannot be blamed if a party fails to send in agents to the polling stations and tallying centres.
Andrew Kerosi.
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On Tue, May 7, 2013 1:53 AM CDT Okiya Omtatah Okoiti wrote:

>Clara,

>What you allege my friends Okil and MM summarized is the Devil's Brew recipe.
>
>Are Okil and MM, as reported by you, simply stating that if a woman is raped, blame it on how she was dressed?
>Where I come from such amounts to proclaiming lawlessness.
>
>Is it not that the IEBC is mandated to conduct free, fair, credible, verifiable..... elections?.
>
>Agents are unnecessary if the IEBC was to discharge its mandate autonomously. The need for parties to have agents is the biggest indictment of the IEBC. It simply means that the IEBC is untrustworthy.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Omtatah
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Clara Shegu <clarashegu@ymail.com>
>To: "wanakenya@googlegroups.com" <wanakenya@googlegroups.com>
>Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 5:02 PM
>Subject: Re: [uchunguzionline] ICC ignores CJ's 'poison letter'
>
>
>
>Nyamodi, MM summarized for them thus...
>
>
>"CORD had (or ought to have had) both party and presidential agents in all polling, constituency, county and national tallying centre(s).The IEBC gave these agents forms 34, 35 and 36 on which the county, constituency and presidential results were announced. They signed the forms 34 and 35 at the constituency tallying centres, and form 36 at the national tallying centre in Nairobi. They presumably relayed these results to their party headquarters and leaders long before the same results reached the national tallying centre in Nairobi, and very long before they were added up and final results were declared by the Chairman of the IEBC. These are the forms Odinga should have used as evidence in his Petition before the Supreme Court. He should have had them on March 9th when Uhuru was declared winner. Information on these forms - plus observations by his presidential agents – is what Odinga needed to use in challenging the IEBC results. If there had been
> serious electoral malpractices, the onus was on Odinga to present credible evidence in Court. He needed to demonstrate that had these violations not occurred, Uhuru wouldn't have won, or at least not achieved 50% of all valid votes cast plus one vote. So, why didn't he?"
>
>There is therefore no need to belabour the 900 page "evidence" point
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com>
>To: wanakenya@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Monday, May 6, 2013 4:50 PM
>Subject: Re: [uchunguzionline] ICC ignores CJ's 'poison letter'
>
>
>Oduor Maurice,
>                      "SC" does not mean and has never meant "court
>system", you depraved nitwit apologist! You don't even seem to
>remember that you filed the Petition after the High Court sideshow!
>What stopped you from including everything you thought you had, or
>even seeking the Supreme Court's leave, as is normal, to file the
>further Affidavit???!!!
>   
>                                                 Nyamodi Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>
>On 5/6/13, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Okil,
>>
>> Laktar Nyandoto was talking about the court system, not the SC you
>> bonehead. Read things and understand them before you make a misguided
>> comment.
>>
>> As for the 900-page affidavit, I think you're aware that it's your beloved
>> IEBC which defied a court order and refused to hand over the required
>> documents in time. They had to be taken to the High Court just for them to
>> hand over what they had agreed to hand over days earlier. In other words,
>> IEBC practised a very effective time-honoured Kenyan tradition of running
>> out the clock. That is called
> impunity.
>>
>> Courage
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:13 AM, Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <
>> okil@nyamogoadvocates.com> wrote:
>>
>> Oduor & Nyandoto,
>>                              Are you, two, insane or are you just hell
>> bent on giving IGNORANCE a bad name???!!! When did the Kenya Supreme
>> Court ever take up Patni's case, let alone determine it???!!! At this
>> rate, is it any wonder that your lot introduced a 900 page further
>> Affidavit at the Supreme Court without leave of the court???!!!
>>                                                Nyamodi
> Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>>
>> On 5/6/13, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Supreme court! Do you what you are talking doc? When did the supreme
>> court
>> > take Patni case?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:27 AM, Paul Nyandoto <oderogarma@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Nyamodi:
>> >
>> > THE SAME SUPREME COURT HAD SEEN NO EVIDENCE ON THE 150 billion ks.
>> > PATTINI
>> > had vanished with. So please stop talking about evidence. Since your
>> > evidence is not the same evidence SC needs.
>> > OR you agree with them on the 150billion kenyan tax payers money too.
>> > SC
>> > is
> already a suspect. Foreign investors are already afraid of them.
>> > Incase
>> > some company invest in Kenya and later there is a problem to solved in
>> > court  or a complain and the thing goes to the SC in kenyan soil they
>> > will
>> > get nothing. So invest at your own risk. SC has shown the world their
>> > image. Some of you might not see the negatives some of those decisions
>> > are
>> > causing the country. Keep sleeping, soon honey moon will be over.
>> >  On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <
>> > okil@nyamogoadvocates.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> KM,
>> >>      I've never seen people this naive! Raila, even after his
> belated
>> >> 900 page Affidavit has been thrown out by the court, he still calls
>> >> it
>> >> "evidence"!!! Raila seems to have been under the misapprehension that
>> >> the Supreme Court was so beholden to him that he could not see them
>> >> finding against him, under whatever circumstances! In his usual
>> >> grandstanding and misplaced air of invincibility, he embarrassed even
>> >> judges who might have been sympathetic to him; he left them with no
>> >> room to riggle! Indeed, "pride comes before a fall"!
>> >>                                                    Nyamodi
>> >> Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>> >>
>>
> >> On 5/5/13, Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <okil@nyamogoadvocates.com> wrote:
>> >> > Oduor Mau Rice,
>> >> >                          I have told you, times without number,
>> >> > that
>> >> > i only write for those who'd understand! Obviously, you, Nyandoto
>> >> > and
>> >> > your ilk, fall far outside that bracket!!!
>> >> >                                                Nyamodi
>> >> > Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5/5/13, Paul Nyandoto <oderogarma@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > Nyamodi:
>> >> >
>> >> > You are the type I do advice to die before the Devil knows you are
>> >> dead,
>> >> >  otherwise you will be the devil´s burning  stick.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <
>> >> > okil@nyamogoadvocates.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Nyandoto,
>> >> >>              I would have expected you to alert me to the fact
>> that
>> >> >> "hardly
> unlikely" makes no sense in the context of my text! If
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> couldn't notice that, then i don't know what you are rumbling
>> about!
>> >> >>                                            Nyamodi
>> >> >> Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 5/4/13, Paul Nyandoto <oderogarma@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > Nyamodi
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Did they invite Uhuru to discuss kenyan problems or let me put
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> >
> simple:
>> >> >> > Was the invitation about solving Kenyan problems or somalis
>> >> >> > refugee
>> >> >> problem
>> >> >> > the British want to bring to Kenya and pay for them rent.
>> >> >> > Anyway
>> >> >> > whatever
>> >> >> > Uhuru is going to discuss will only hurt Kenyans if he become a
>> >> >> > yes
>> >> >> > man.
>> >> >> > Very few Kenyans will match the rent rate payed by the british
>> >> >> > government
>> >> >> >  for somalis with their kenyan local salary.  Some of those
>> >> >> > somalis
>> >>
> >> > will
>> >> >> > not even leave kenya for somalia after settling in Kenya. I see
>> >> >> > terrorist
>> >> >> > groups to be poaching some from Kenyan soil directly. Why is
>> >> >> > britain
>> >> >> > getting rid of them?. you will see rent rates hitting the sky
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > Kenya.
>> >> >> > You look very proud of everything no matter what the outcome
>> >> >> > will
>> >> be.
>> >> >> > The
>> >> >> > British are already playing racism onto somalis blacks. No EU
>> >> >> > member
>> >> >>
> state
>> >> >> > is planning that trick and some countries have a very large
>> number
>> >> of
>> >> >> > somalis refugees but are waiting for the somalis government to
>> >> >> > take
>> >> >> > their
>> >> >> > people. It looks that it does not matter to the british what
>> >> >> > happens
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > Kenya whether bad or good.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Nyamodi Ochieng Nyamogo <
>> >> >> > okil@nyamogoadvocates.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > KM,
>> >> >> >      Did you hear that President Uhuru Muigai Kenyatta has
>> >> >> > been
>> >> >> > INVITED to the U.K. of Great Britain & Northern Ireland, by
>> >> >> > none
>> >> >> > other
>> >> >> > than Her Majesty's LOYAL Prime Minister?! Did you, also, hear
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > "choices have consequences"?! Well, the "choice"/umbilical
>> >> >> > cord
>> >> >> > between Kenya and United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern
>> >> Ireland
>>
> >> >> > was in place from the 18th century! It is hardly unlikely that
>> >> >> > anybody
>> >> >> > will bastardize it merely to please a few NGO hecklers and
>> >> >> > sour
>> >> >> > electoral losers!!! See you at the Supreme Court, if you don't
>> >> >> > like
>> >> >> > this FACT!
>> >> >> >                                                Nyamodi
>> >> >> > Ochieng-Nyamogo.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 5/4/13, Evans MACHERA <evansmachera@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > > Was the chamber brought to the attention that one Eugiene
>> >> >> > > Wamalwa
>> >> >> > managed to
>> >> >> > > get a copy of a letter from the Registry purported to have
>> been
>> >> >> written
>> >> >> > by
>> >> >> > > ODM!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > What procedure did  he use to get the copy - is it a general
>> >> >> > > procedure
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > > u and me  can use
> too!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Evans MACHERA
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Turning and turning in the widdening gyre,ICC will define
>> >> >> > > Kenya,peace
>> >> >> > > be
>> >> >> > > still!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > --- On Fri, 5/3/13, Bill Munene <billmunene@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > From: Bill Munene
> <billmunene@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > > Subject: Re: [Wananchi] Re: (VVM Forum) ICC ignores CJ's
>> >> >> > > 'poison
>> >> >> > > letter'
>> >> >> > > To: Wananchi@yahoogroups.com
>> >> >> > > Date: Friday, May 3, 2013, 5:34 PM
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>>
> >> >> > > Sour loser!!!! And the river shall stay the course!!!
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Tebiti Oisaboke
>> >> >> > > <tebiti42@yahoo.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>>
> >> >> > > She will when when she finally slaps Junior the son of Jomo
>> and
>> >> his
>> >> >> > > buddy
>> >> >> > > son of Ruto some 50 years behind bars in Bangui, Chad.
>> >> >> > > Have a glorious weekend and happy Sunday service Bishop
>> >> >> > > TOI
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >>
> >> > > From: Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > > To: uchunguzi online <uchunguzionline@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >> > > Cc: progressive-kenyans
>> >> >> > > <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com
>> >;
>> >> >> > Africa-Oped
>> >> >> > > <africa-oped@yahoogroups.com>; WanaKenya
>> >> >> > > <Wanakenya@googlegroups.com
>> >> >>
> >;
>> >> >> > VVM
>> >> >> > > Vuguvugu Mashinani <VuguVuguMashinani@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> >> > > Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 12:26 PM
>> >> >> > > Subject: (VVM Forum) ICC ignores CJ's 'poison letter'
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > It is stuff like these which confirms the allegations of
>> >> >> politicization
>> >> >> > of
>>
> >> >> > > ICC. Why file porojo the same day it is fronted by those who
>> >> wanted
>> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> > fix
>> >> >> > > the March 4th elections? What is the position of the
>> prosecutor
>> >> now
>> >> >> > > that
>> >> >> > > Mutunga's being maligned by the same people who wanted him
>> >> >> > > to
>> >> rule
>> >> >> > > in
>> >> >> > their
>> >> >> > > favor? The judges have seen the machinations by the
>> prosecution
>> >> and
>> >> >> > threw
> it
>> >> >> > > back on her face. That case will fail because of the way
>> >> >> > > they
>> >> have
>> >> >> done
>> >> >> > some
>> >> >> > > things. When the hell will the fat lady stop singing?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> http://the-star.co.ke/news/article-119020/icc-ignores-cjs-poison-letter
>> >> >> > > Friday, May 3, 2013 - 00:00 -- BY NZAU MUSAU
>> >> >> > >
>> >>
> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > ICC judges have faulted the procedure by which the February
>> >> >> > > 13
>> >> >> > > letter
>> >> >> > > threatening Chief Justice Willy Mutunga ended up at the
>> >> >> > > court.
>> >> The
>> >> >> > > letter
>> >> >> > > together with Mutunga's February 20 statement on judge's
>> >> >> > > security
>> >> >> > > and
>> >> >> > > elections were transmitted to the court on the same day-
>>
> >> >> > > February
>> >> >> > > 20.
>> >> >> > > The registry of the court which filed the two documents
>> >> >> > > claims
>> >> >> > > to
>> >> >> > > have
>> >> >> > > received them from the prosecution.It had said the
>> >> >> > > prosecution
>> >> had
>> >> >> > indicated
>> >> >> > > that the documents should be brought to the attention of the
>> >> trial
>> >> >> > chamber.
>> >> >> > > The registry had also instructed its security section to
>>
> >> >> > > make
>> >> >> > > an
>> >> >> > assessment
>> >> >> > > and their impact on the security situation in Kenya. The
>> >> >> > > defence
>> >> of
>> >> >> > deputy
>> >> >> > > President William Ruto however objected to the manner in
>> >> >> > > which
>> >> the
>> >> >> > document
>> >> >> > > was filed there.
>> >> >> > > "The Chamber agrees with the Defense as to the unusual
>> >> >> > > nature
>> >> >> > > of
>>
> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > filing.
>> >> >> > > The documents annexed to the Registry's filing were received
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> >> > > first
>> >> >> > > instance by the Prosecution and forwarded to the Registry.
>> >> >> > > To the extent that the Prosecution considered that they
>> >> >> > > should
>> >> >> > > be
>> >> >> > brought to
>> >> >> > > the attention of the Chamber, the proper procedure would
>> >> >> > > have
>> >> been
>> >> >> > >
> for
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > > Prosecution to file the documents directly together with any
>> >> >> > > appropriate
>> >> >> > > request for relief," the judges ruled.
>> >> >> > > Mutunga's letter was written by a group calling itself
>> >> >> > > Mungiki
>> >> >> Veterans
>> >> >> > > Group/Kenya Sovereignty Defence Squad. Ruto's lawyers
>> >> >> > > complained
>> >> >> > > that
>> >> >> > > registry appeared to act for the prosecution by filing the
>> >> >> > > documents
>> >>
> >> to
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > > attention of the judges.
>> >> >> > > They also said that the letter was a "concoction" aimed at
>> >> >> > > prejudicing
>> >> >> > > former President Mwai Kibaki, President Uhuru and other
>> >> >> > > accused.
>> >> >> > > Ruto
>> >> >> > said
>> >> >> > > due to heavy political overtones the cases have in Kenya the
>> >> >> > > registry
>> >> >> > should
>> >> >> > > act more careful.
>> >> >> > > "The Defence
> requests the Registry to keep the Chamber and
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > parties
>> >> >> > > informed of the follow up investigations that are being
>> carried
>> >> out
>> >> >> > > by
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > > Security and Safety Section of the Court," Ruto's lawyers
>> said.
>> >> >> > > The judges ruled that on top of improper procedure, no
>> >> >> > > proper
>> >> basis
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> > made
>> >> >> > > on why the two documents were filed. "In these
>>
> >> >> > > circumstances,
>> >> >> > > the
>> >> >> > > Chamber
>> >> >> > > will disregard the content of the filing," they said.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > --
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > \
>> >> >> > > Veritas liberabit vos
>> >> >> > > The truth Shall set you
>> >> >> > > freehttp://www.kuria-mwangi.blogspot.com
>> >> >> > > http://www.facebook.com/kjmwangi
>> >> >> > >
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