[wanabidii] UNIFORM: MUST 4 PRESIDENT &HIS DEPUTY

Uniforms displays likeness of charater (appearance) but what is in the mind - necessarily not uniform (THINKING NOT A LIKE).!   The Cabinet Appointments: The 50:50 ratio mkeka was a campaign porojo to flock birds of different birds together.Now,diverse interests ,political dorminance and armtwisting is the different ball game we have to watch noting that the seeiling limited by the cabinet and desire to reward and balance demands a New formular. Kusema na Kutenda is now a kitendawili!   Evans MACHERA --- On Wed, 4/24/13, Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> wrote: From: Maurice Oduor <mauricejoduor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [PK] UNIFORM: MUST 4 PRESIDENT &HIS DEPUTY To: "Progressive Kenyans" <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com> Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2013, 6:36 PM Ok Keros thura. I'll defer to you since you're talking from experience. I'm talking from a totally different experience though. I have had managers who were not from the Water area and it was always difficult to convince them of the best course of action or options available to deal with problem situations. They were more focused on the money rather than the best options. One example; there was a time our company was contracted to design and build a Drinking Water Purification Plant for this small town. We had a choice of using Liquid Chlorine, Gas Chlorine or UV Light or combination for disinfection. I wanted UV but also with  a small dosage of Chlorine. The guy wanted UV only because it is a lot cheaper to operate and less labour-intensive. But this is ok only if the water is consumed in the plant itself or in areas very near the Plant. But if the water is to be piped across town and kept in reservoirs, we need some protection for the water from any bacterial or viral intrusion that may contaminate the water and compromise the quality of that water. That's where Chlorine comes in. Chlorine residual keeps any bacti or virus from affecting the water quality in the Distribution system. I had a hard time convincing the Manager to spend an extra $5k to install a Chlorination system. But he took it as a favour to me, not what's required. With a manager who understands the technical aspects of Water treatment, this convincing would not be necessary. Courage On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Andrew Keros <ackeros2001@yahoo.com> wrote: Ndugu, Maurice, The concept of management does not change its character depending  on the level of developement of a country. I have been a General Manager in an industry that has no relationship with my field of study. Results amazing! But I must point out that departmental heads must meet the relevant qualifications/skills needed. For the CEO, not necessary. Andrew Kerosi. ------------------------------  On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:14 PM CDT Maurice Oduor wrote:  >Keros,  >  >I'm neither angry nor disturbed thura. It's just that this concept is very  >simple but a lot of people are missing it.  >  >The minimum qualifications of a Minister in a rich country are different  >from those of one in a poor country. A poor country needs ideas on how to  >advance a certain area (Heathcare, Education, Tourism, etc.). That Minister  >should be someone very familiar with that area.  >A rich country most likely has most of the ideas in place and needs only a  >competent manager. This is something Africa has never understood.  >  >Right now, I'm an Engineer and i've managed several engineering projects  >competently. But if you were to put me at the Central Bank or KPA as head,  >I would spend the next one or 2 yrs learning how those areas work. In the  >meanwhile, my subordinates would be fooling me left and right, sometimes at  >the expense of the taxpayer.  >  >So bro, don't get me wrong. I'm not angry and definitely not disturbed at  >all.  >  >Courage  >  >  >  >On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Andrew Keros <ackeros2001@yahoo.com> wrote:  >  >>  >> You sound very angry and disturbed. For now, I have no comments to make.  >> Andrew Kerosi.  >> ------------------------------  >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:46 PM CDT Maurice Oduor wrote:  >>  >> >Keros,  >> >  >> >A young undeveloped country like Kenya is not like the US, UK, France,  >> >Japan etc. It needs relevant professionals in the fieds of their  >> >appointments. We need a Health professional in Health, an Economics or  >> >Finance professional at Finance, an education professional in Education  >> >etc. We are not developed enough to require just Management professionals  >> >as Ministers. Maybe you have no experience in governance so I will not  >> >expect you to understand.  >> >When a country is developed and has all the elements that the population  >> >needs, then competent Managers are all that are needed. In a poor  >> country,  >> >relevant professionals are needed in order to put the structures for new  >> >ways of doing things in place. Again, I suspect that you don't understand  >> >what I'm referring to.  >> >  >> >Courage  >> >  >> >  >> >  >> >On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Andrew Keros <ackeros2001@yahoo.com>  >> wrote:  >> >  >> >  >> > Maurice,  >> > Fooling your manager is a method of undermining your organization and  >> soon  >> > you will have no job. The organization will simply fail. A good manager  >> > however, will easlly identify a non-performing department or section.  >> You  >> > get a sack and somebody else is hired to work in your 'play tricks'  >> > position.  >> >  >> > I can see people demanding to have a President with all the  >> qualifications  >> > in all fields you can think of. Which is ridiculous.  >> >  >> > The overriding principle here is leadership and good education.  >> > Especially, if you are the CEO.  >> > Andrew Kerosi.  >> > ------------------------------  >> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:33 PM CDT Maurice Oduor wrote:  >> >  >> > >Rose,  >> > >  >> > >I agree with you 100%. We need Ministers who have knowledge of the  >> areas  >> > >they are appointed to head. No Ifs, Buts and Ands there.  >> > >  >> > >I once had a manager at our Water Purification Plant who knew nothing  >> > about  >> > >Drinking Water Treatment completely. I could see how the technicians  >> > would  >> > >fool him. He relied on us to tell him what the challenges were !!!!!  >> We  >> > >could tell him anything. He was a very competent manager but we still  >> > >managed to fool him in a lot of ways.  >> > >  >> > >Courage  >> > >  >> > >  >> > >  >> > >On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 1:07 PM, ROSE KAGWIRIA  >> > ><ikirimakagwiria10@yahoo.com>wrote:  >> > >  >> > > MO  >> > > These are guys who are next to money and knows the secret of how they  >> > can  >> > > swidle unsuspecting people. Why not place them where innocence lies.  >> > By the  >> > > time the innocent wakes up, all is gone(am not implying they are  >> > thieves).  >> > > Whichever the case, the guys are here to earn the hefty salaries. Now  >> > we  >> > > have county governors and health ministers who are specially  >> qualified  >> > for  >> > > the job. At the national level, the guys may have very little to do  >> > with  >> > > the hospitals may be to control any money which is supposed to go to  >> > > counties assigned for health. These guys in parliament have very  >> little  >> > > responsibilities unlike before. The county leaders have more  >> > > responsibilities and should earn more than those MPS and REPS. Lets  >> > wait  >> > > and see them earning high salaries with little academic  >> qualifications  >> > > while at the county level, some positions require a minimum of  >> degree.  >> > I  >> > > just imagine our national leaders paying these guys 79k while their  >> > > colleague form four leavers in national Bunge are earning more than  >> 12  >> > > times as much. What a contracting gvt.  >> > >  >> > >  >> > > ------------------------------  >> > > *From:* John Kitonga <johnkitonga2@gmail.com>  >> > > *To:* progressive-kenyans <progressive-kenyans@googlegroups.com>  >> > > *Cc:* VVM Vuguvugu Mashinani <VuguVuguMashinani@yahoogroups.com>  >> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2013 6:54 PM  >> > >  >> > > *Subject:* Re: [PK] UNIFORM: MUST 4 PRESIDENT &HIS DEPUTY  >> > >  >> > > MO, well stated.  >> > >  >> > > Its funny how we use individual leaders as a yardstick for  >> performance  >> > of  >> > > the other when it comes to national service delivery.  >> > >  >> > > Mrs. Amina Mohamed and Mr. Henry Roritch just have to update  >> themselves  >> > > with the pending issues then roll-on, as for the other two unless  >> > there's  >> > > more to their CVs their appointment doesnt sound convincing.  >> > >  >> > >  >> > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Maurice Oduor <  >> > mauricejoduor@gmail.com>wrote:  >> > >  >> > > KM/Hongo et al,  >> > >  >> > > The whole idea of this new constitution, especially the part about  >> > > Cabinet, was to allow the President to appoint professionals familiar  >> > with  >> > > areas they are appointed to. Appointing a banker to be a Health  >> > Minister is  >> > > pointless. The guy comes in and spends the next one year trying to  >> get  >> > > familiar with the challenges facing the Healthcare area !!!! That is  >> > one  >> > > year wasted, just managing what is already in place. If a former  >> > District  >> > > Hospital manager is appointed Health Minister, he/she will hit the  >> > ground  >> > > running and would not need to first get familiar with the challenges  >> > facing  >> > > Healthcare in the country. Bure kabisa !!!! I'm disappointed with  >> that  >> > > appointment. How come they always get the relevant professionals for  >> > places  >> > > like Central Bank but never for Education, Health, Agriculture etc.  >> ??  >> > > The Amina Abdalla appointment to the Foreign Affairs Ministry is  >> > perfect.  >> > > I applaud it.  >> > >  >> > > Courage  >> > >  >> > >  >> > >  >> > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 6:09 AM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com>  >> > wrote:  >> > >  >> > > Sure. He was the last to appoint so we start there and go way back to  >> > > Kenyatta. The issue is not Rao but whether one must be have a medical  >> > > background and why they all avoided getting one. Did they have as  >> much  >> > > leeway as Uhuru and Ruto since they could only choose among the  >> > politicians.  >> > > Why shouldnt we mention Rao yet we also claim he would the best among  >> > them  >> > > all? No one argued that we should not get a one from the medical  >> field  >> > > because Rao didn't. That would be shallow reasoning.  >> > > On Apr 24, 2013 5:55 AM, "N Hongo" <hongo.nnam@gmail.com> wrote:  >> > >  >> > > Ooh! So because Raila didn't appoint a medic, Uhuru can't appoint a  >> > > medic? Ooooooh, so Rao seems to be the yardstick for measuring  >> > > whatever....I see!  >> > >  >> > > Nyanam.  >> > >  >> > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Kuria-Mwangi <kjmwangi@gmail.com>  >> > wrote:  >> > >  >> > > Rose  >> > > I would have preferred they chose a medic but when was the last time  >> we  >> > > had a medical doctor working as a minister for Finance? Even Rao had  >> > to go  >> > > to political scientist but I cannot remember any time a Minister for  >> > Health  >> > > was a professional in that area. Not even Dr. Munyua Waiyaki, the  >> > colorful  >> > > foreign affairs was seen fit for that ministry.  >> > >  >> > > I dont think we need a doctor there, may be somebody from that line  >> > but do  >> > > they need to be qualified in that field? Who would have been your  >> take?  >> > >  >> > >  >> > > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:38 PM, ROSE KAGWIRIA <  >> > > ikirimakagwiria10@yahoo.com> wrote:  >> > >  >> >

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